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2014-01-30 05:45:06 PM  

Oldiron_79: Well the SCOTUS has ruled before that a treaty with a foriegn nation trumps even the constitution itself so we can and on paper should, although I personally dont think we should.


What? When? All I know is this case: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_v._Covert where they say "this Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty "
 
2014-01-30 05:45:11 PM  

Moopy Mac: Gyrfalcon: Didn't the "evidence" in this case come down to "someone said she once heard Knox say something bad about the victim" and also she didn't "act right" after the homicide; so clearly she's a depraved killer?

She was tried by the Italian (and English) tabloids.


And also by a prosecutor with a history of inventing fantastic conspiracies around the crimes he investigates with no meaningful evidence that more people are involved, and who when caught out in lies tends to create even more fabulous lies - one of the best examples being when his claims about Franscesco Narducci's body being stolen/swapped turned out to be wrong, that of course meant the body must have been swapped twice to explain why the actual expert tested the exhumed body and confirmed the identity.
 
2014-01-30 05:45:14 PM  

CleanAndPure: DERP




Your lack of any kind of corroborating links is not surprising.
 
2014-01-30 05:45:43 PM  
Any law talking types know enough about extradition law to give an assessment of whether or not she'll be extradited?
 
2014-01-30 05:46:51 PM  
She's guilty?

1.bp.blogspot.com

Sounds legit.
 
2014-01-30 05:47:56 PM  
Besides, if we didn't extradite the guy who blew up a Cuban airliner, we're not going to extradite Knox.
 
2014-01-30 05:48:01 PM  

Maud Dib: ElPresidente:

Hmmmm...my phone's still not ringing. What a surprise.

You've got nothing.



On the contrary - I have two things you don't. An independent unbiased mind and the good sense not to argue with someone who doesn't - you.
 
2014-01-30 05:48:46 PM  

patrick767: It may be more relevant to see which nations have extradition treaties with Italy though.


Ain't nobody got time for dat
 
2014-01-30 05:48:50 PM  

Baz744: Any law talking types know enough about extradition law to give an assessment of whether or not she'll be extradited?


The American Bar Association's Journal has an article about it here.

Long and short of it: We'll find out.
 
2014-01-30 05:48:58 PM  

Moopy Mac: This thread was good for finding three (probable) ALTs and color-coding them as such.


Clean and pure and el presidente.

Who is #3? :)
 
2014-01-30 05:49:14 PM  
This is why Americans should avoid Third World countries.

How awful would it be if she had to make a couple porns to pay for her appeal?
 
2014-01-30 05:49:32 PM  

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


it does not work like that. The US will not turn American citizens over to other countries for trial or incarceration unless they are citizens of that country and not American.
 
2014-01-30 05:49:47 PM  

whither_apophis: Besides, if we didn't extradite the guy who blew up a Cuban airliner, we're not going to extradite Knox.


But I don't think Amanda Knox was working with the CIA.
 
2014-01-30 05:51:14 PM  
We need Ann Rule to do a book on this.  Everything I've read seems to be either from fanatical pro-Knox people or fanatical anti-Knox people.
 
2014-01-30 05:51:23 PM  
 
2014-01-30 05:51:29 PM  

CleanAndPure: No evidence?

Her and boyfriend told stories to police that differed about whereabouts of the two.

She stayed hours in her apartment with victims blood all over the place... even showering without calling police.

Purchased bleach after murder. The knife that had Meredith's blood on it and hers on handle had been cleaned with bleach that day.

Was spotted arguing by people.

She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

She lied and now admits lying about trying to setup an innocent man as the perpetrator claiming she was scared so made up a lie about someone else.

Keep telling yourselves there is no evidence. Do you really think the Italian justice system ThAT screwed up they would find her guilty twice.

No. I don't believe in double jeopardy... but if you look at unbiased sources instead of just American media you will see it is actually a quite clear case against her.


Too bad they acquitted her. Italy's justice system sucks.
 
2014-01-30 05:52:29 PM  

Oldiron_79: Doom MD: Oldiron_79: Doom MD: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Not a chance the US extradites a citizen to undergo double jeopardy.

Well the SCOTUS has ruled before that a treaty with a foriegn nation trumps even the constitution itself so we can and on paper should, although I personally dont think we should.

I'd imagine a pretty hefty backlash against anyone who greenlights a move like that. Im at a total loss why Italy is pushing this, they look like clownshoes.

Yes, but the SCOTUS are appointed for life, its not like THEY have to face re election.


Would scotus be the ones who pull the trigger on something like this?
 
2014-01-30 05:52:29 PM  

Smackledorfer: Moopy Mac: This thread was good for finding three (probable) ALTs and color-coding them as such.

Clean and pure and el presidente.

Who is #3? :)


I'm not going to name anyone and I'm probably wrong, but the similarities in names (multiple words capitalized and put together to make a compound name) and "arguing" and "reasoning" tactics are certainly suspicious.
 
2014-01-30 05:52:32 PM  

Moopy Mac: whither_apophis: Besides, if we didn't extradite the guy who blew up a Cuban airliner, we're not going to extradite Knox.

But I don't think Amanda Knox was working with the CIA.


We can ask Snowden.
 
2014-01-30 05:52:51 PM  

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


We have a treaty, but wether or not we follow it it largely up to our discretion. If we feel she won't, or didn't, get a fair trial, it's completely within our rights as a sovereign nation to tell Italy we won't be giving her back to them, and there's not a lot they can do. Certainly there will be political repercussions if that happens, but it's not like there's a super court that can force us to hand her over.
 
2014-01-30 05:53:52 PM  

R.A.Danny: Actually that was easier than I thought.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/14300292-amanda-knox-italy -h as-no-extradition-treaty-with-160-countries


Wow, Karen Fish likes drugs.
 
2014-01-30 05:54:23 PM  

CleanAndPure: She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?


If it wasn't made public, how the fark do you know about it?!
 
2014-01-30 05:54:37 PM  

ignacio: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

We have a treaty, but wether or not we follow it it largely up to our discretion. If we feel she won't, or didn't, get a fair trial, it's completely within our rights as a sovereign nation to tell Italy we won't be giving her back to them, and there's not a lot they can do. Certainly there will be political repercussions if that happens, but it's not like there's a super court that can force us to hand her over.


If they ban Buffalo mozzarella imports, I'll tie her up and drive her to the harbor myself.
 
2014-01-30 05:55:47 PM  

R.A.Danny: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

No. Americans believe that double jeopardy is wrong, and that if you try someone enough times and get enough do-overs the state will finally make it's case.


That and if the best you can do is make a case that the defendant is a witch instead of spending the time to prove that she and only she was capable and available to commit the crimes she is accused of, it's hard to take your third world kangaroo court seriously.
/my how far Roman jurisprudence has fallen
//not really, the Roman Empire was pretty corrupt and even they will admit their legal system was a joke back in the day
 
2014-01-30 05:56:02 PM  

CleanAndPure: R.A.Danny: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

No. Americans believe that double jeopardy is wrong, and that if you try someone enough times and get enough do-overs the state will finally make it's case.

I do agree that double jeopardy is wrong too. Even during her first trial though media in US was painting her as this innocent saint.

She shouldn't have been retried because of double jeopardy... but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-30 05:56:16 PM  
Just send Bieber in her place...
 
2014-01-30 05:56:48 PM  
Seems like most of Europe is desperate not to let a little thing like "the truth" get in the way of a great story.
 
2014-01-30 05:57:01 PM  

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


EXTRADITION TREATIES DON'T WORK LIKE THAT
 
2014-01-30 05:57:10 PM  
I'm really curious as to how our government will respond to this, hopefully when they do ask for extradition the response will be no. I don't know if she is guilty or not but it seems rather corrupt to acquit her and then find her guilty....again.
 
2014-01-30 05:57:57 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: If it wasn't made public, how the fark do you know about it?!


He doesn't, he's making shiat up to troll with. Why is this not obvious?
 
2014-01-30 05:58:41 PM  

Starshines: kwame: CleanAndPure: I do agree that double jeopardy is wrong too. Even during her first trial though media in US was painting her as this innocent saint.

She shouldn't have been retried because of double jeopardy... but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.

The media and Americans are making unfounded assumptions about her.

And your counter is another unfounded assumption.

Well, OK then.

What unfounded assumptions are Americans making about her?  That she shouldn't be convicted with "evidence" that's patently absurd?


You fail to understand:  If an American points out the lack of actual evidence supporting the Knox conviction, it's proof of American hegemony something something.  So there.
 
2014-01-30 05:58:42 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: CleanAndPure: She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

If it wasn't made public, how the fark do you know about it?!


It was part of the evidence presented in court. Part of her original trial. She referenced things that she shouldn't have known if she wasn't there.

Example, where wounds were on body... and facts like nothing was stolen.
 
2014-01-30 05:58:47 PM  
Reading that article, it says the Italians got an acquittal, and the court threw it out and ordered a new trial.

Even if the law there allows double jeopardy, I think the US would be irresponsible to extradite her and submit her to that.
 
2014-01-30 06:01:04 PM  
A nice summation of the the cases for/against conviction.  By US standards, there is reasonable doubt.  Not every country operates on the principles of assumed innocence.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8803077/Amand a- Knox-Guilty-or-innocent-five-reasons-why.html
 
2014-01-30 06:02:14 PM  

Maud Dib: ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.

[googledrive.com image 240x313]

Oooo...rush me to the Burns Unit.

/when your IQ increases to match your age, call me
//not holding my breath

Did you even read about the case?
Because your ignorance in the matter is astounding, unless you're propping up a troll account with your own level of derp, which has reached potato-like levels, btw.


In other words....
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farking FROG Canadians.  Just ignore them.  They are so jealous.  They can't lay claim to shiat.   Name a product besides ice, natural gas, and assholes.  Go ahead.

America is there sore spot.   They can't beat the king baby.

And where's the hot pics of Amanda.?

And fark Italy too
 
2014-01-30 06:02:28 PM  

PoRL: With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.


You're wrong about that. Italy refuses to extradite murderers to the U.S. on  human rights grounds because we have the death penalty. The U.S. will almost certainly refuse to extradite Knox. The consensus opinion is that the U.S. will cite double jeopardy as a "polite" way to say no. But if it wants to make a statement it will refuse on the grounds that the evidence against her was insufficient. E.U. countries and the U.s. refuse extraditions to each other some what regularly.
 
2014-01-30 06:03:37 PM  

patrick767: If the case is as weak as has been portrayed, why the fark does a jury convict her? Again. Just wondering...


Ask the McMartins.
 
2014-01-30 06:04:21 PM  

Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.


50s.  Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.
 
2014-01-30 06:04:21 PM  

Oldiron_79: Doom MD: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Not a chance the US extradites a citizen to undergo double jeopardy.

Well the SCOTUS has ruled before that a treaty with a foriegn nation trumps even the constitution itself so we can and on paper should, although I personally dont think we should.


Absolutely false. The Supreme did not and could not make such a ruling.
 
2014-01-30 06:04:32 PM  

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Name a product besides ice, natural gas, and assholes


The Canadians gave us Celene Dion and Justin Bieber.
 
2014-01-30 06:05:01 PM  

Moopy Mac: Baz744: Any law talking types know enough about extradition law to give an assessment of whether or not she'll be extradited?

The American Bar Association's Journal has an article about it here.

Long and short of it: We'll find out.


Thank you.

The article suggests the law is against her, but she might not be extradited if she gets a sympathetic judge. Ultimately, the Secretary of State holds final authority in the matter though. Hopefully for her her family donated to the Kerry campaign in 2004.
 
2014-01-30 06:05:19 PM  
And before you GRAMMAR NAZIs chime in.  Looks like I farked up the there/their/they're shiat

~~America is there their  sore spot.   They can't beat the king baby
 
2014-01-30 06:06:11 PM  

hardinparamedic: Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: Name a product besides ice, natural gas, and assholes

The Canadians gave us Celene Dion and Justin Bieber.



Covered under "assholes"
 
2014-01-30 06:06:21 PM  
CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American attractive women would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

/FTFY
/I don't follow the case.
/My bunk has no extradition laws either ;)
 
2014-01-30 06:06:24 PM  

R.A.Danny: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

It seems there is some leeway on that one. Italy will not allow someone to be sent here if they face the death penalty for example, and the US may take umbrage at the double jeopardy in this case.


THIS.  Also, there's plenty to cast doubt on Italy's entire judicial system.  This is the country that jailed geologists for failing to predict an earthquake, after all.
 
2014-01-30 06:06:37 PM  
Acquit her, convict her, let her stay here, extradite her. I don't much care. Whatever keeps her whiny face out of the spotlight forever is what I support.

www.etonline.com
 
2014-01-30 06:07:06 PM  

TheBigJerk: Moopy Mac: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

The entire prosecution smacked of early 80s Memphis.

50s.  Don't forget for quite a while their creepy fanfiction of an accusation involved satanic blood orgies.


If you want to lose what little faith you can have in the US Justice system, watch West of Memphis, about the prosecution and incarceration of the West Memphis 3.

There are still people locally who argue they are guilty because they worshipped satan, and other nonsense that was quite literally beaten out of a borderline mentally retarded, scared teenager in a 20 hour interrogation.

Their case was literally "They play DooM, listen to devil music, and have long hair." And one of them got the death penalty for it.
 
2014-01-30 06:07:38 PM  

Pimparoo: Seems like most of Europe is desperate not to let a little thing like "the truth" get in the way of a great story.


Yeah, Americans wouldn't do anything like this:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day-care_sex-abuse_hysteria
 
2014-01-30 06:08:09 PM  

Oldiron_79: Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


Are you saying that the US government is willing to use force to protect another government's right to commit double jeopardy against an American citizen?
 
2014-01-30 06:08:27 PM  

hi13760: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American attractive women woman would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

/FTFY
/I don't follow the case.
/My bunk has no extradition laws either ;)


ftfy

 
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