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2014-01-30 05:18:51 PM  

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


If you're trolling:
Good job man, epic response levels.

If you're not:
So you agree with the prosecutor that, despite zero evidence of her guilt AND the conviction of ANOTHER defendant who carried out the murder by himself, that Amada Knox is a secret Satan worshiper who killed her victim as part of a Satanic ritual?
 
2014-01-30 05:20:30 PM  

wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.


It was. The prosecutor has a long history of full bore crazy. Their 'justice system' is third world at best. Read Douglas Preston's Monster of Florence if you have any doubt.
 
2014-01-30 05:20:33 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

If you're trolling:
Good job man, epic response levels.

If you're not:
So you agree with the prosecutor that, despite zero evidence of her guilt AND the conviction of ANOTHER defendant who carried out the murder by himself, that Amada Knox is a secret Satan worshiper who killed her victim as part of a Satanic ritual?


The more I think back, I'm pretty sure it is a Mod Alt Troll. Effective this time around though.
 
2014-01-30 05:20:55 PM  

CleanAndPure: I do agree that double jeopardy is wrong too. Even during her first trial though media in US was painting her as this innocent saint.

She shouldn't have been retried because of double jeopardy... but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.


The media and Americans are making unfounded assumptions about her.

And your counter is another unfounded assumption.

Well, OK then.
 
2014-01-30 05:21:23 PM  
If the case is as weak as has been portrayed, why the fark does a jury convict her? Again. Just wondering...

They tried her twice for the same crime and apparently the prosecution completely changed their story of why it happened the second time around. Ix nay on the ug fueled orgy dray.
 
2014-01-30 05:21:39 PM  
There's an argument floating around that the throwing out of the verdict wasn't technically an acquittal under Italian law, so the retrial didn't violate double jeopardy and hence extradition would still be legal under US law.
 
2014-01-30 05:22:40 PM  

CleanAndPure: but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.


I can't see where the courts made their case, what with the satanic ritual crap and all. What are you seeing that makes her guilty?
 
2014-01-30 05:23:27 PM  
Call Bill Clinton.  If there's one thing he's good at, it's getting hot chicks out of prison.
 
2014-01-30 05:23:33 PM  

Skeptos: There's an argument floating around that the throwing out of the verdict wasn't technically an acquittal under Italian law, so the retrial didn't violate double jeopardy and hence extradition would still be legal under US law.


Amittedly they define things very differently, but they did pull her out of prison and let her come back to the US which is pretty telling.
 
2014-01-30 05:24:04 PM  
Amanda Knox found guilty of murder...again

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2014-01-30 05:24:29 PM  

Maud Dib: ElPresidente: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.

[googledrive.com image 240x313]


Oooo...rush me to the Burns Unit.

/when your IQ increases to match your age, call me
//not holding my breath
 
2014-01-30 05:25:22 PM  

kwame: CleanAndPure: I do agree that double jeopardy is wrong too. Even during her first trial though media in US was painting her as this innocent saint.

She shouldn't have been retried because of double jeopardy... but she's as guilty as OJ and got off the first time for the same type of reasons.

The media and Americans are making unfounded assumptions about her.

And your counter is another unfounded assumption.

Well, OK then.


What unfounded assumptions are Americans making about her?  That she shouldn't be convicted with "evidence" that's patently absurd?
 
2014-01-30 05:25:24 PM  

Cyclometh: The Italian justice system seems, from an outside observer's viewpoint, to be not only completely incompetent and capricious, but deeply corrupt.


So what you're saying is it's just like ours?
 
2014-01-30 05:26:35 PM  

patrick767: If the case is as weak as has been portrayed, why the fark does a jury convict her? Again. Just wondering...


She's American
 
2014-01-30 05:26:47 PM  
Do you suppose she finds Edward Snowden attractive?

/I can't honeymoon here, or here, or here....and you can't honeymoon here and here....
 
2014-01-30 05:27:44 PM  

CatfoodSpork: Definitely a bullshiat case.  Don't study abroad, people!


That's right!  Murder your roommates in a red-blooded American college.  Just don't use a gun.
 
2014-01-30 05:27:45 PM  

CatfoodSpork: Definitely a bullshiat case.  Don't study abroad, people!


I'd study abroad, if you know what I mean.
 
2014-01-30 05:28:47 PM  
Perhaps the Italians will launch drone strikes against Seattle?

So - cloud/silver lining etc.
 
2014-01-30 05:28:59 PM  

Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.


Not a chance the US extradites a citizen to undergo double jeopardy.
 
2014-01-30 05:29:19 PM  
For someone who travels as much as Knox did, it must kind of suck to know she'll never be able to leave the United States again.
 
2014-01-30 05:29:27 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

I think there might be a place she could hold up at in Russia.


Actually Russia is probably about the best country that doesnt have an extradition treaty with the US and most of the EU countries like Italy, most of the other options are like Iran, countries without a central govt in Sub Saharan Africa like Somalia, Best Korea, Cuba, etc.
 
2014-01-30 05:30:56 PM  
 
2014-01-30 05:31:19 PM  

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


Eh?  Read what Douglas Child has written about the Italy legal system.  It's as corrupt as they get, and Knox was lucky to get out of there.
 
2014-01-30 05:31:23 PM  

patrick767: If the case is as weak as has been portrayed, why the fark does a jury convict her? Again. Just wondering...

They tried her twice for the same crime and apparently the prosecution completely changed their story of why it happened the second time around. Ix nay on the ug fueled orgy dray.


I wonder if the jury gets to know this.  Does the Italian prosecution have to prove beyond a resonable doubt the motivation for the crime?  And if so,  doesn't using a different motive this time around imply that they were wrong the first time?
 
2014-01-30 05:31:37 PM  

ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.

[googledrive.com image 240x313]

Oooo...rush me to the Burns Unit.

/when your IQ increases to match your age, call me
//not holding my breath


Did you even read about the case?
Because your ignorance in the matter is astounding, unless you're propping up a troll account with your own level of derp, which has reached potato-like levels, btw.


In other words....
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2014-01-30 05:32:58 PM  
With regards extradition, I'm not sure the USA politicos will want to open a can of worms by not honouring an extradition treaty with an EU country as who knows where it'll end. Double jeopardy may well apply in the USA, but not in Italy where the offence and guilty verdict took place.
 
2014-01-30 05:33:45 PM  

keepitcherry: Cyclometh: The Italian justice system seems, from an outside observer's viewpoint, to be not only completely incompetent and capricious, but deeply corrupt.

So what you're saying is it's just like ours?


No, it's worse.  The official position in Italy is that sometimes they convict the innocent and sometimes the guilty go free, so that makes it all OK.

While that can happen, Italy accepts the mistakes as "balance," and feels that makes it alright.

Mignini is a fool and a clown who is still searching for some sexual base for every case.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:37 PM  
So in Italy a trial can be a "2 out of 3 falls" match?
 
2014-01-30 05:34:38 PM  

Starshines: What unfounded assumptions are Americans making about her? That she shouldn't be convicted with "evidence" that's patently absurd?


Pay attention.  I'm just pointing out how hollow the troll's comments are.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:56 PM  

Doom MD: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Not a chance the US extradites a citizen to undergo double jeopardy.


Well the SCOTUS has ruled before that a treaty with a foriegn nation trumps even the constitution itself so we can and on paper should, although I personally dont think we should.
 
2014-01-30 05:35:12 PM  
This would be non-news if she wasn't pretty
 
2014-01-30 05:35:28 PM  

Maud Dib: ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.

[googledrive.com image 240x313]

Oooo...rush me to the Burns Unit.

/when your IQ increases to match your age, call me
//not holding my breath

Did you even read about the case?
Because your ignorance in the matter is astounding, unless you're propping up a troll account with your own level of derp, which has reached potato-like levels, btw.


In other words....
[www.applehammerwebdesign.com image 196x133]


Hmmmm...my phone's still not ringing. What a surprise.
 
2014-01-30 05:35:54 PM  

Maud Dib: ElPresidente: Maud Dib: ElPresidente: CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.

Truest thing likely to be written in this thread - bravo.

Oooo...rush me to the Burns Unit.

/when your IQ increases to match your age, call me
//not holding my breath


In other words....
[www.applehammerwebdesign.com image 196x133]


What do you know about it?  Where did you get your info?
 
2014-01-30 05:37:44 PM  
if i were her, i wouldn't even go inside Pizza Hut
 
2014-01-30 05:37:56 PM  

ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.


Yeah, if she was found not-guilty, she would have totally gone back and built a summer house in Tuscany and the villagers would have welcomed her with open arms
 
2014-01-30 05:38:22 PM  

wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.



It's a sordid tale involving Silvio "Bunga Bunga" Berlusconi.
 
2014-01-30 05:38:25 PM  

Dr.Zom: wildcardjack: I still want to know how the cops came to think there was a drug fueled orgy involved. Methinks this sounds like projection of someone's deepest wishes.

It was. The prosecutor has a long history of full bore crazy. Their 'justice system' is third world at best. Read Douglas Preston's Monster of Florence if you have any doubt.


Questo! They're on their fourth, maybe fifth "OMG it's this guy!!!" Italy just hasn't been the same since those lousy Vandals.

/My mom did a Holy Lands tour of Egypt, Israel and Rome. Rome was the only one where they said "Stay together, watch your bags like a hawk."
//csb
 
2014-01-30 05:39:33 PM  

CleanAndPure: And yet Americans all think she is innocent because an American would never do anything wrong overseas.

Seriously American media has been extremely biased in this case... backing the murderess.


And yet you believe the accused is guilty until proven innocent. You're a serial killer who disposed of the bodies with acid, leaving no traces. Defend yourself, go!
 
2014-01-30 05:39:37 PM  

jsmilky: if i were her, i wouldn't even go inside Pizza Hut


If you get Pizza Hut breadsticks fresh out of the oven, they're worth the risk.
 
2014-01-30 05:39:47 PM  

Prey4reign: Here's the link to the story.  I haven't a clue whether she did it or not.  Is that like reasonable doubt?


You can read about it and find clues.  But you won't find any reason to think she's guilty.
Emphasis on REASON.
 
2014-01-30 05:41:06 PM  
The prosecutor imagines knox in kinky sex romp to judges. Seems legit.
 
2014-01-30 05:41:09 PM  

Oldiron_79: Doom MD: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Not a chance the US extradites a citizen to undergo double jeopardy.

Well the SCOTUS has ruled before that a treaty with a foriegn nation trumps even the constitution itself so we can and on paper should, although I personally dont think we should.


I'd imagine a pretty hefty backlash against anyone who greenlights a move like that. Im at a total loss why Italy is pushing this, they look like clownshoes.
 
2014-01-30 05:41:27 PM  
No evidence?

Her and boyfriend told stories to police that differed about whereabouts of the two.

She stayed hours in her apartment with victims blood all over the place... even showering without calling police.

Purchased bleach after murder. The knife that had Meredith's blood on it and hers on handle had been cleaned with bleach that day.

Was spotted arguing by people.

She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

She lied and now admits lying about trying to setup an innocent man as the perpetrator claiming she was scared so made up a lie about someone else.

Keep telling yourselves there is no evidence. Do you really think the Italian justice system ThAT screwed up they would find her guilty twice.

No. I don't believe in double jeopardy... but if you look at unbiased sources instead of just American media you will see it is actually a quite clear case against her.
 
2014-01-30 05:41:35 PM  

R.A.Danny: Does she still have a passport?

The United States maintains diplomatic relations but, according to the above-mentioned list, does not have extradition treaties with the following countries: Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Botswana, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, China (except Hong Kong), Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Slovenia,[7]Somalia, Sudan, South Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, the United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican City, Vietnam, Yemen, and the countries formerly part of Yugoslavia: Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, and Serbia.


Micronesia looks nice.
It may be more relevant to see which nations have extradition treaties with Italy though.
 
2014-01-30 05:42:51 PM  

ElPresidente:

Hmmmm...my phone's still not ringing. What a surprise.



You've got nothing.

Inflatable Rhetoric:

What do you know about it?

That the lead prosecutor is a frikkin' loon?

Link
 
2014-01-30 05:43:08 PM  
This thread was good for finding three (probable) ALTs and color-coding them as such.
 
2014-01-30 05:44:09 PM  
Our diplomatic treaty specifically excludes extradition in instances of double jeopardy.
 
2014-01-30 05:44:09 PM  

Doom MD: Oldiron_79: Doom MD: Oldiron_79: ChrisDe: Good luck with getting her to come back to Italy.

Pretty sure the US has extradition treaty with Italy, so she would have to leave US to flee justice.

Not a chance the US extradites a citizen to undergo double jeopardy.

Well the SCOTUS has ruled before that a treaty with a foriegn nation trumps even the constitution itself so we can and on paper should, although I personally dont think we should.

I'd imagine a pretty hefty backlash against anyone who greenlights a move like that. Im at a total loss why Italy is pushing this, they look like clownshoes.


Yes, but the SCOTUS are appointed for life, its not like THEY have to face re election.
 
2014-01-30 05:45:00 PM  

CleanAndPure: No evidence?

Her and boyfriend told stories to police that differed about whereabouts of the two.

She stayed hours in her apartment with victims blood all over the place... even showering without calling police.

Purchased bleach after murder. The knife that had Meredith's blood on it and hers on handle had been cleaned with bleach that day.

Was spotted arguing by people.

She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

She lied and now admits lying about trying to setup an innocent man as the perpetrator claiming she was scared so made up a lie about someone else.

Keep telling yourselves there is no evidence. Do you really think the Italian justice system ThAT screwed up they would find her guilty twice.

No. I don't believe in double jeopardy... but if you look at unbiased sources instead of just American media you will see it is actually a quite clear case against her.


So are you an intern for a British or Italian tabloid?
 
2014-01-30 05:45:02 PM  

CleanAndPure: No evidence?

Her and boyfriend told stories to police that differed about whereabouts of the two.

She stayed hours in her apartment with victims blood all over the place... even showering without calling police.

Purchased bleach after murder. The knife that had Meredith's blood on it and hers on handle had been cleaned with bleach that day.

Was spotted arguing by people.

She knew details about the case she wouldn't have know if she wasn't there. Things the police didn't make public. Like where wounds were on the body. How did she know?

She lied and now admits lying about trying to setup an innocent man as the perpetrator claiming she was scared so made up a lie about someone else.

Keep telling yourselves there is no evidence. Do you really think the Italian justice system ThAT screwed up they would find her guilty twice.

No. I don't believe in double jeopardy... but if you look at unbiased sources instead of just American media you will see it is actually a quite clear case against her.


See, if you are going to make a list of things, make sure that (at least) one of them hasn't been found to be false.
 
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