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(Slate)   Like watching Sarah Palin give a speech, watching Fox News and MSNBC makes you dumber for having done so   (slate.com ) divider line
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2014-01-30 05:29:55 PM  
Nice false equivalency, trollmitter.

MSNBC and CNN watches don't appear to be statistically significantly different than no news people. Fox News watchers are significantly worse.

Misch
However, the self-reported ideological is also important to look at:
Effects of Ideological Media - Domestic, International
Liberal watching FOX News 0.82 0.81
Conservative watching FOX News 1.28 1.39
Liberal listening to Talk Radio 1.28 1.63
Conservative listening to Talk Radio 1.43 1.52
Liberal watching MSNBC 1.89 1.64
Conservative watching MSNBC 0.71 0.86


If I'm interpreting correctly, that indicates that people who claim to be conservative and watch MSNBC and those who claim to be liberal and watch Fox News are the biggest farktards by far.
 
2014-01-30 05:35:48 PM  
Has anyone asked to see the questions yet? A bias in the questions is not out of the realm of possibilities. Also, anyone who relies on a single source for all of their news, I don't care what network, is someone who is not wanting to be well informed.  They just listen to what they want to hear.

//Going to go eat some Cheerios now.
 
2014-01-30 05:39:11 PM  
Slate should get the memo that "bias" doesn't always mean "stupid". Doesn't really matter which "side" the reporting comes from, or no side at all... as long as it's the truth. Truth, as in "backed up with facts, evidence and solid reporting coupled with intelligent writing", and not a bunch of blonde bimbettes on a studio sofa starting every other story or sentence with "y'know, some people say", "I've heard", "some people believe that", or "is it true that?".
 
2014-01-30 05:43:32 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Or maybe FOX News viewers understand that your ability to answer pertinent questions about current world events is in no way a measure of how informed you are?


Do you even understand what "NEWS" is?
/highlighted it for you
 
2014-01-30 05:43:34 PM  

ThrowYourHatredDown: Has anyone asked to see the questions yet? A bias in the questions is not out of the realm of possibilities. Also, anyone who relies on a single source for all of their news, I don't care what network, is someone who is not wanting to be well informed.  They just listen to what they want to hear.

//Going to go eat some Cheerios now.


That was going to be my question.  You have an article (old rerun) from a left wing rag that finds that viewers of a network considered to be right wing are dumb.  I can't even express how shocked I am that they would come to that conclusion.

Maybe Fox doesn't "teach to the test."
 
2014-01-30 06:00:42 PM  

H31N0US: I was at the gym this morning. They have a wall of flatscreens, all tuned to some 24/7 news channel.

I thought to myself: how did this happen? Whatever happened to just putting on headphones and working out?


Rage burns calories
 
2014-01-30 06:05:34 PM  

JerseyTim: I feel like the MSNBC one would be higher if they just ditched Chris Matthews.


I like Chris Matthews. He is an unashamed, unabashed, unapologetic liberal, but damn, the man is a professional journalist of the highest order. He gets too excited from time to time, which is where he loses me, but he doesn't punch below the belt when taking his shots, and keeps his guests in line.
 
2014-01-30 06:07:10 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Stinkyy: How nice to be a Farkmod, or whatever they're now called, and give a higher percentage of green-lights to untruthful, hurtful, trolly little lib propaganda stories.

Maybe you could do a survey of two homos, and print that 100% of guys now like blowing each other, and the sad thing is, Fark would believe it because their minds are enslaved by the principles of 0b0wel and turdaphilia.

Why doesn't someone run THOSE numbers.

-6/10



I dunno.  I would have marked him a little higher just for the use of the word "homos".

Junior High School years really were the best of times and the worst of times.

JCC
 
2014-01-30 06:22:03 PM  
Ah, the old false equivalency thing.
 
2014-01-30 06:42:16 PM  

Mr. Right: ThrowYourHatredDown: Has anyone asked to see the questions yet? A bias in the questions is not out of the realm of possibilities. Also, anyone who relies on a single source for all of their news, I don't care what network, is someone who is not wanting to be well informed.  They just listen to what they want to hear.

//Going to go eat some Cheerios now.

That was going to be my question.  You have an article (old rerun) from a left wing rag that finds that viewers of a network considered to be right wing are dumb.  I can't even express how shocked I am that they would come to that conclusion.

Maybe Fox doesn't "teach to the test."


Objectively, the constant disinformation pushed on Fox News can be reviewed and appreciated without a study like this. This is also hardly the first of its kind. In my time I have seen seven separate studies demonstrating that people who use Fox News as a regular and primary news source are not only ignorant of, but tragically misinformed about, the world around them, from thinking there was a direct link between Saddam Hussein and Al Queda, (a relationship regularly implied by Fox leading up to the second invasion, for obvious reasons,) to the numbers believing Obama is a practicing Muslim. 67%, polled, thought the USA found WMDs in Iraq, and it goes on.

There isn't any maybe about it. Objective, informed thinkers can learn the facts in seconds with a little research, and not just from "librul" sources. The only way to be ignorant of the information is, of course, the very problem being demonstrated here, isolation and ignorance from a variety of quality sources of information.
 
2014-01-30 06:58:27 PM  
Fox News and MSNBC have to come on every day and give hours and hours of programming full telling viewers how the other side is wrong and somehow their viewers think this can be done without ever using cherry picked data, exaggerations and logical fallacies.  Judging by so many of the above comments it also leaves viewers believing that the other side (a.k.a. the bad guys) are idiotic and morally inferior, while making themselves righteous and well informed.  It doesn't matter which of those two channels you're watching, what it's really doing is filling you with anger and teaching you how to justify hatred.

In the mean time the people you're watching on Fox News and MSNBC are becoming millionaires.  You're being used.  Turn off your TV and clean your hatred for half the population of the United States out of your soul.  Just because you're angry doesn't guarantee you're informed.  It doesn't matter if you're Liberal or Conservative, both sides teach that hating is wrong.

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2014-01-30 07:08:17 PM  

ThrowYourHatredDown: Has anyone asked to see the questions yet? A bias in the questions is not out of the realm of possibilities. Also, anyone who relies on a single source for all of their news, I don't care what network, is someone who is not wanting to be well informed.  They just listen to what they want to hear.

//Going to go eat some Cheerios now.


Questions were asked between February 6 and February 12, 2012.

To the best of your knowledge, have the opposition groups protesting in Egypt been successful in removing Hosni Mubarak?

How about the opposition groups in Syria? Have they been successful in removing Bashar al-Assad?

Some countries in Europe are deeply in debt, and have had to be bailed out by other countries. To the best of your knowledge, which country has had to spend the most money to bail out European countries?

There have been increasing talks about economic sanctions against Iran. What are these sanctions supposed to do?

Which party has the most seats in the House of Representatives right now? (30% of Lean Republican said Democrats, all other groups were around 10%, really strange)

In December, House Republicans agreed to a short-term extension of a payroll tax cut, but only if President Obama agreed to do what? (Open-Ended)

It took a long time to get the final results of the Iowa caucuses for Republican candidates. In the end, who was declared the winner? (Open-Ended) (At the time, Santorum had won the vote, though after the survey, Paul won the delegates)

How about the New Hampshire Primary? Which Republican won that race? (Open-Ended)

According to the figures, about what percentage of Americans are currently unemployed? (Open-Ended)
 
2014-01-30 07:28:39 PM  

pslong009: Some countries in Europe are deeply in debt, and have had to be bailed out by other countries. To the best of your knowledge, which country has had to spend the most money to bail out European countries?


The fact that 21% answered "The United States" gives me a sad.
 
2014-01-30 07:58:49 PM  
Yes, Father Oobama and crazy Uncle Joe are much better.
 
2014-01-30 08:07:48 PM  
Do conservatives still have mental defects, too?  Probably the best slate article ever.
 
2014-01-30 08:48:20 PM  
The most honest headline EVER!
 
2014-01-30 09:41:52 PM  

derpy: according to the study, MSNBC viewers are more informed than those who watch no news.  Unlike Fox viewers.

Don't lump them together, subtroll.


You and Lochsteppe need to read TFA. Try scrolling down next time to the SECOND graph and/or reading a couple words in the article.
 
2014-01-30 10:20:50 PM  

Mean Daddy: Yes, Father Oobama and crazy Uncle Joe are much better.


Oh c'mon, at least "0bama" has some kind of meaning to it. I live with my mom.
 
2014-01-30 10:35:40 PM  

derpy: MSNBC is equal to CNN, and way ahead of Fox.

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And both MSNBC and CNN can at very best claim to be "better than nothing". Talk radio--RUSH LIMBAUGH--beats both CNN and MSNBC. So, then, watching MSNBC or CNN is like winning the Special Olympics--you may be the best retard, but you're still just a retard.
 
2014-01-30 11:03:49 PM  

rewind2846: Mike_LowELL: Or maybe FOX News viewers understand that your ability to answer pertinent questions about current world events is in no way a measure of how informed you are?

Do you even understand what "NEWS" is?
/highlighted it for you


Voted you Smart, sir!
 
2014-01-31 12:42:54 AM  
Only a child would say listening to Sarah Palin makes one dumb
 
2014-01-31 01:05:03 AM  

super_grass: Correlation does not equal causation, and this isn't a before/after thing where people who watched no TV news scoring lower after watching FNC. They were mostly likely below the non-watchers to begin with.


This changes it from "Watching FOX News makes you stupid" to "Being stupid makes you watch FOX News."

I'm not sure which is worse.
 
2014-01-31 01:41:01 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: listening to Sarah Palin makes one dumb

 
2014-01-31 09:16:40 AM  

Persnickety: H31N0US: I was at the gym this morning. They have a wall of flatscreens, all tuned to some 24/7 news channel.

I thought to myself: how did this happen? Whatever happened to just putting on headphones and working out?

I'm in the same situation and I do just what you say: put on your headphones and zone out.

Fox News without the sound is an interesting study in body language.  When they're talking to or about a Republican, all the on air hosts smile, sit back in their chairs relaxed and give a lot of welcoming gestures.  When it's Obama or another Democrat, they sit up straight, right on the edge of their seats, shake their heads and point a lot.


My work has Fox News playing but on mute with closed captioning. I noticed this activity too, complete one-sidedness. ESPECIALLY with the head nodding/shaking. Democrat policy stated with stern faces and vigorous head-shakes "No". Republican policy with beatific smiles and slow nods "yes."
Another thing is that all of the captions/headlines will not say any actual facts, but always something like "Concerns about __" or "Potential warnings about changes to __"  Oh don't forget the ever ubiquitous "ALERT ALERT ALERT" flash and the instant downward stock market updates. I can't remember when I saw immediate green arrow updates.
I pointed that last fact out to one of my more conservative co-workers his intelligent response: "It ain't never going up, that's why." he then laughed at me. I pointed out that the Dow was at a record high, he didn't have a soundbite response to that.
 
2014-01-31 09:19:02 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Only a child would say listening to Sarah Palin makes one dumb


I am shocked, SHOCKED, that this username is defending Sarah Palin.
 
2014-01-31 10:27:48 AM  

dangelder: rewind2846: Mike_LowELL: Or maybe FOX News viewers understand that your ability to answer pertinent questions about current world events is in no way a measure of how informed you are?

Do you even understand what "NEWS" is?
/highlighted it for you

Voted you Smart, sir!


You voted the person who "corrected" an obvious joke from a known jokester Smart?
 
2014-01-31 10:31:26 AM  

Anayalator: JerseyTim: I feel like the MSNBC one would be higher if they just ditched Chris Matthews.

I like Chris Matthews. He is an unashamed, unabashed, unapologetic liberal, but damn, the man is a professional journalist of the highest order


Yep.   When you come out and say that if you are against Obamacare, you must be a bigot, that is high quality professional journalism.

---What are the they really angry about? Health care reform, or the fact that it was an African American President   --C.Matthews

Pee-Pro-Fessional


Actually, it wasnt just blacks I guess.  You were also against women the Speaker of the House was a woman.
 
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