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2014-01-30 04:45:20 PM
The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).
 
2014-01-30 04:55:40 PM
Laser like focus on tard.
 
2014-01-30 05:20:18 PM
Honestly?

I accidentally broke this law once.   Was in Virginia, didn't know about the ban, and the sign at the Blacksburg post office isn't until you're inside the inner lobby.
 
2014-01-30 05:20:39 PM
"As Lisa Rein's Washington Post report noted, the senator's provision wasn't added to the legislation "

Yeah, let's freak out about ... nothing.
 
2014-01-30 05:20:40 PM

Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).


Heresy!  Those firearms will now leap unhindered from their holsters, spontaneously gunning down the elderly and children alike!  The Children!

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!TM
 
2014-01-30 05:20:57 PM
Just as the founders intended.
 
2014-01-30 05:21:27 PM

Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).


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2014-01-30 05:22:00 PM

gnosis301: Just as the founders intended.


I don't recall post offices back in 1776....

/REALLY old.
 
2014-01-30 05:23:01 PM

Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).


It's just a joke. You all really need to lighten up.
 
2014-01-30 05:23:58 PM
Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift squeezing off their appointed rounds.
 
2014-01-30 05:24:06 PM
Jokes on them, the USPS is one of the 3 largest carriers for FFL to FFL transfers.  The guns are already there. (just in boxes)

/pedantic?  me?
 
2014-01-30 05:24:17 PM
THE POST OFFICE WILL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT!

Or nothing.  I forget which one.
 
2014-01-30 05:24:19 PM
If only there was a colloquial expression that related to the tendency for gun violence to occur at postal facilities.
 
2014-01-30 05:24:42 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Honestly?

I accidentally broke this law once.   Was in Virginia, didn't know about the ban, and the sign at the Blacksburg post office isn't until you're inside the inner lobby.


I've discovered the one downtown has at least one guy that is, uh. Utterly useless when it comes to telling you how much postage you need. (That is, he has frequently *Been wrong*).
 
2014-01-30 05:24:43 PM

mama2tnt: gnosis301: Just as the founders intended.

I don't recall post offices back in 1776....

/REALLY old.


Funny, because the postal service was founded in 1775.
 
2014-01-30 05:24:44 PM

gnosis301: Just as the founders intended.


Just as they intended free speech to be applied to the internet.
 
2014-01-30 05:25:03 PM
Making it illegal to have guns in the Post Office prevented acts of gun violence from ever happening at a Post Office.
 
2014-01-30 05:26:20 PM

Heamer: Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift squeezing off their appointed rounds.


Fantastic.
 
2014-01-30 05:26:33 PM
Oh,  it's MSNBC.      That's most likely a much to do about nothing.
 
2014-01-30 05:26:38 PM

mama2tnt: gnosis301: Just as the founders intended.

I don't recall post offices back in 1776....

/REALLY old.


The USPS was actually created in 1775.
 
2014-01-30 05:27:18 PM
i wonder how soon people will be able to bring guns into the Senate office building.
 
2014-01-30 05:28:38 PM
As a CCW permit holder I must say I am 100% behind this.

Just last December I was beaten up and mugged inside a Post Office.

They got away with my nieces gift. One of those things they use to make friendship bracelets.

Damn, I wish I could have shot them and killed them.

*sigh*
 
2014-01-30 05:30:19 PM

yakmans_dad: i wonder how soon people will be able to bring guns into the Senate office building.


They've tried before:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-rep-drafting-bill-to-let-lawmakers-c ar ry-guns-in-capitol/
 
2014-01-30 05:30:36 PM

Mrtraveler01: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

It's just a joke. You all really need to lighten up.


I believe that "pandering" is the applicable description to Senator Paul's proposal.
 
2014-01-30 05:30:55 PM
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/ no problem whatsoever
 
2014-01-30 05:31:13 PM
Nothing can go wrong.  Go wrong. Go Wrong

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2014-01-30 05:32:00 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: "As Lisa Rein's Washington Post report noted, the senator's provision wasn't added to the legislation "

Yeah, let's freak out about ... nothing.



it's the principle of his idea.

/& don't worry, i'm not gonna freak out like everybody thinks i am
 
2014-01-30 05:32:16 PM
TinyFist:

*snerk*

/It's bad enough you have to worry about the people on the other side of the counter.
 
2014-01-30 05:33:16 PM

AngryDragon: WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!TM


He is. tomorrow he's introducing a bill to ban Abortion-By-Mail from using USPS.

/Tax cuts for the wealthy, guns, and abortion. Do Republicans think about anything else?
 
2014-01-30 05:34:15 PM

EngineerAU: AngryDragon: WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!TM

He is. tomorrow he's introducing a bill to ban Abortion-By-Mail from using USPS.

/Tax cuts for the wealthy, guns, and abortion. Do Republicans think about anything else?


Icky sex.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:16 PM
Were I a lawmaker -- state or federal -- I would draft legislation that both legalized same-sex marriage and established or expanded "shall-issue" based concealed weapons permits, just to observe the overall reaction.
 
2014-01-30 05:35:26 PM

Heamer: Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift squeezing off their appointed rounds.


Holy shiate, it's Heamer.

Whah happened to the hair, man?
 
2014-01-30 05:35:56 PM

Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).


Yep, it will be as deadly as it was in National Parks after the bill passed allowing people to carry there.
 
2014-01-30 05:37:21 PM

AngryDragon: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

Heresy!  Those firearms will now leap unhindered from their holsters, spontaneously gunning down the elderly and children alike!  The Children!

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!TM


You're getting boring.
 
2014-01-30 05:37:22 PM

pedrop357: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

Yep, it will be as deadly as it was in National Parks after the bill passed allowing people to carry there.


I am aware of at least one firearm-related death (unintentional) in a National Park since 2010. I suspect that the potential for unintentional injuries in a post office facility -- where visits are relatively short, rather than overnight affairs -- would be less than in a National Park.
 
2014-01-30 05:37:29 PM

Molavian: THE POST OFFICE WILL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT!

Or nothing.  I forget which one.


Gun fights over post office boxes, shootouts over the last customs slip, innocent children caught in the crossfire between two people fighting over the last Priority mailing box...
 
2014-01-30 05:38:14 PM

Maud Dib: Whah happened to the hair, man?


Cut it in 2005, started shaving my head in 2007, started letting it grow out again in 2011, now I look like a generic white guy (see profile).
 
2014-01-30 05:38:19 PM
Do we have a dipshiat tag?
 
2014-01-30 05:38:39 PM

Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).


You're probably right - I don't see any real benefits, either. But for me, the take-away is that with the Post Office in crisis - this is Rand's answer? I'm sorry, but that is foolish. Those in the know are saying that this assholes career will be short, and I certainly hope so. he has nothing to contribute.
 
2014-01-30 05:40:08 PM

pedrop357: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

Yep, it will be as deadly as it was in National Parks after the bill passed allowing people to carry there.


The first child to die from gunfire in Yellowstone National Park in three-quarters of a century was a 3-year-old girl killed over the weekend by a bullet shot from her father's handgun
 
2014-01-30 05:40:38 PM

pedrop357: Molavian: THE POST OFFICE WILL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF THE INNOCENT!

Or nothing.  I forget which one.

Gun fights over post office boxes, shootouts over the last customs slip, innocent children caught in the crossfire between two people fighting over the last Priority mailing box...


I'm thinking more along the line of getting a passport. I almost went postal trying to get one for my daughter there.
 
2014-01-30 05:40:49 PM

jso2897: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

You're probably right - I don't see any real benefits, either. But for me, the take-away is that with the Post Office in crisis - this is Rand's answer? I'm sorry, but that is foolish. Those in the know are saying that this assholes career will be short, and I certainly hope so. he has nothing to contribute.


Senator Paul's proposal is not an effort to address a crisis. The proposal is obvious pandering to his base.

As a Kentucky resident with a concealed weapons permit, I recognize his effort for what it is and I am not impressed.
 
2014-01-30 05:41:00 PM

Dimensio: pedrop357: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

Yep, it will be as deadly as it was in National Parks after the bill passed allowing people to carry there.

I am aware of at least one firearm-related death (unintentional) in a National Park since 2010. I suspect that the potential for unintentional injuries in a post office facility -- where visits are relatively short, rather than overnight affairs -- would be less than in a National Park.


True.  I do love re-reading old gun control hysteria over the possibility of carrying in national parks and their predictions of bloodshed, shootouts, etc., it turned out to be to a complete non-issue and they (gun control groups) went on to find something else to complain about.  Post office carry will eventually happen, nothing bad will happen and the gun control groups will move on.  Eventually, there will be carry in some federal buildings-same predictions of death, same non-violent outcome.  Same with school/college carry.
 
2014-01-30 05:41:42 PM

TinyFist: As a CCW permit holder I must say I am 100% behind this.

Just last December I was beaten up and mugged inside a Post Office.

They got away with my nieces gift. One of those things they use to make friendship bracelets.

Damn, I wish I could have shot them and killed them.

*sigh*


/slow clap
 
2014-01-30 05:42:09 PM

Dimensio: jso2897: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

You're probably right - I don't see any real benefits, either. But for me, the take-away is that with the Post Office in crisis - this is Rand's answer? I'm sorry, but that is foolish. Those in the know are saying that this assholes career will be short, and I certainly hope so. he has nothing to contribute.

Senator Paul's proposal is not an effort to address a crisis. The proposal is obvious pandering to his base.

As a Kentucky resident with a concealed weapons permit, I recognize his effort for what it is and I am not impressed.


This. Rather than do anything useful, he's throwing out more red meat to the morons.
 
2014-01-30 05:43:33 PM

Witty_Retort: pedrop357: Dimensio: The predicted complete and total result of this measure if it passes (which, unless it is attached as an amendment to a "must pass" bill, it likely will not): concealed weapons permit holders who previously left their firearms in their vehicles while traveling to a post office will instead keep the firearm holstered on their person while traveling to a post office.

The total change in rates of violent crime at post offices: 0%.

(Admittedly, that estimate is based upon an assumption that current violent crime rates at post offices are already close to 0 incidents per 100 establishments).

Yep, it will be as deadly as it was in National Parks after the bill passed allowing people to carry there.

The first child to die from gunfire in Yellowstone National Park in three-quarters of a century was a 3-year-old girl killed over the weekend by a bullet shot from her father's handgun


And if they let fappers tote guns into the P.O., some nut will spontaneously shoot some postal clerk who pisses him off. But it won't be a lot - not enough to be statistically significant. Anyway - what price is too high to pay for the MOST IMPORTANT HOBBY IN THE WORLD?
 
2014-01-30 05:43:34 PM
 
2014-01-30 05:43:36 PM

pxlboy: As a Kentucky resident with a concealed weapons permit, I recognize his effort for what it is and I am not impressed.

This. Rather than do anything useful, he's throwing out more red meat to the morons.


I suggest we deluge his office with cheap dog whistles.
 
2014-01-30 05:44:01 PM
Is there a record of an increase in incidents when something like this happens? I know some states have allowed CCW's on campus', bars, etc. that most of you wet your pants and think there'll be a recreation of Commando in, but is there any evidence to back up your fear or just the ManufacturedOutrage(tm) type fear?
 
2014-01-30 05:44:35 PM
What's the harm?  It's not like post offices are places where shootings have been known to happen.
 
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