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(Salon)   Article goes to great pains to prove that wind chill is not a real thing while simultaneously conceding that wind makes cold temperatures feel colder. Glad they cleared that up   (salon.com) divider line 74
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2014-01-30 06:32:07 PM

a particular individual: Russ1642: a particular individual: Lehk: of course it's real.

wind chill temperature makes you cold and gives you frostbite/hypothermia about the same as that temperature of still air would do.

No, it doesn't. If the temperature is above freezing, but the wind chill makes it feel like it's below freezing, you won't get frostbite. You might still die of hypothermia, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Weather reporters love windchill numbers because they're colder, and more dramatic sounding. They NEVER explain what they should be used for or their limited uses.

I've also heard them explain that it doesn't apply to inanimate objects, but that's BS. It was first measured as the rate heat left bottles of water at an arctic (or maybe antarctic) research station.


My mother lived in Alaska for years.  After reading the Salon article, she spent several minutes doubled over in hysterical laughter. Stupid article is stupid.
 
2014-01-30 06:35:38 PM

DerAppie: Indeed. So if I'm getting frostbite at the rate of "not at all" in 50 degree weather with wind, how does that change the rate if there would be no wind? I would still be getting frostbite at the rate of "not at all".


You're being obtuse for the sake of it at this point.
If we stuck you outside naked when it's 50 degrees out, with a real stiff wind... you'd very likely die of hypothermia, frostbite or not.

The point is, if it's 32 with a windchill of 0, you (and everything else) will freeze at the same rate of speed as if it were 0 degrees with no wind.  That is an important distinction for anyone that's going to spend more time outside than walking to a car.
 
2014-01-30 06:52:22 PM

ReverendJasen: DerAppie: Indeed. So if I'm getting frostbite at the rate of "not at all" in 50 degree weather with wind, how does that change the rate if there would be no wind? I would still be getting frostbite at the rate of "not at all".

You're being obtuse for the sake of it at this point.


Pretty much. I'm not willing to admit I misread the post you first replied to.

/Don't tell anyone else I admitted I was wrong
//Nobody is supposed to do that on the internet
 
2014-01-30 07:00:56 PM

lennavan: Still don't believe wind chill temperatures aren't real? Try an experiment: Put two thermometers outside, one in the wind and one shielded from it. When you return they will read the same.

You farking dipshiat, way to completely miss the point of what wind chill is.

Still don't believe wind chill temperatures are real? Try an experiment: Put two thermometers outside, one in the wind and one shielded from it.  Which one cools down faster?


Even better...use something called a "Wet Bulb" thermometer...That's how wind chill was originally measured, before they just started using math...
 
2014-01-30 07:39:40 PM
All I know is that when the wind hits at certain angles and at high enough speeds, I start experiencing problems with my heating system "not being able to keep up" in certain areas and rooms.
 
2014-01-30 07:55:11 PM
Didn't Salon used to be not-stupid once? Or am I imagining it?
 
2014-01-30 08:03:02 PM

Mad Morf: lennavan: Still don't believe wind chill temperatures aren't real? Try an experiment: Put two thermometers outside, one in the wind and one shielded from it. When you return they will read the same.

You farking dipshiat, way to completely miss the point of what wind chill is.

Still don't believe wind chill temperatures are real? Try an experiment: Put two thermometers outside, one in the wind and one shielded from it.  Which one cools down faster?

Even better...use something called a "Wet Bulb" thermometer...That's how wind chill was originally measured, before they just started using math...


A little off topic, but.... I understand that in the summer the dew point can have more to do with feeling "sticky" than humidity does.
The other day I noticed that the wind chill temp AND the dew point number were both minus degrees.
Can anyone tell me what that means, in relation to how cold it feels (or in general)?
 
2014-01-30 08:05:24 PM
This subject seems more like Slate territory ... and it is.

I'd have expected a story about wind chill in Salon to tell us it was a plot hatched by the Koch Brothers to make the planet seem colder than it really is.
 
2014-01-30 08:23:28 PM

Huck Chaser: evilmousse: windchill is not real if you are a pipe for a bathroom

Wrong.


the speed at which a pipe loses heat, so long as it stays above freezing, is moot, for the purposes of the pipe. a meatbag has a much thinner tolerance to temperature variance in order to perform to spec, so "real" was somewhat of a play on words, as in when shiat gets real.
 
2014-01-30 08:37:28 PM
I got two words: "Cooling. Fans."

On your CPU. Behind your radiator. Cold air gets pulled in, flows over the warm body, gets warm, carries away heat. That's the wind chill.

Only works for objects above ambient air temperature. Ifn you got a block of metal that's already at ambient temperature, blowing the ambient-temperature wind on it is not going to cool it further.

Human body is like the engine or CPU - warmer than the surroundings. It's not like the room-temperature block of metal.
 
2014-01-30 09:09:23 PM
Here is what I know as a former medic, and all you need to know, really:

If it's cold, and the wind is blowing, you will die faster than if it's cold and the wind is not blowing.

If it's cold and you are wet, you will die faster than if it's cold and you are dry.

If it's cold, you're wet, and the wind is blowing, then you'll die faster than if you remove any one of those variables.

There. That's all anyone needs to know about wind-chill.
 
2014-01-30 09:54:57 PM

Gyrfalcon: Here is what I know as a former medic, and all you need to know, really:

If it's cold, and the wind is blowing, you will die faster than if it's cold and the wind is not blowing.

If it's cold and you are wet, you will die faster than if it's cold and you are dry.

If it's cold, you're wet, and the wind is blowing, then you'll die faster than if you remove any one of those variables.

There. That's all anyone needs to know about wind-chill.


But if they're curious... US Army Cold Weather Injury information

In all seriousness, it could save someone's life to read that... my battle buddy in BCT (in January) started to get hypothermia symptoms and I was conscripted to warm her up rather embarrassingly in front of the rest of the platoon. First and last time I had a female's hands between my thighs...
 
2014-01-30 10:19:34 PM

ladyfortuna: Gyrfalcon: Here is what I know as a former medic, and all you need to know, really:

If it's cold, and the wind is blowing, you will die faster than if it's cold and the wind is not blowing.

If it's cold and you are wet, you will die faster than if it's cold and you are dry.

If it's cold, you're wet, and the wind is blowing, then you'll die faster than if you remove any one of those variables.

There. That's all anyone needs to know about wind-chill.

But if they're curious... US Army Cold Weather Injury information

In all seriousness, it could save someone's life to read that... my battle buddy in BCT (in January) started to get hypothermia symptoms and I was conscripted to warm her up rather embarrassingly in front of the rest of the platoon. First and last time I had a female's hands between my thighs...


It seems to me this story needs more details.

...it has way more details when it unfolds in my head.
 
2014-01-30 10:23:17 PM

VladTheEmailer: ladyfortuna: Gyrfalcon: Here is what I know as a former medic, and all you need to know, really:

If it's cold, and the wind is blowing, you will die faster than if it's cold and the wind is not blowing.

If it's cold and you are wet, you will die faster than if it's cold and you are dry.

If it's cold, you're wet, and the wind is blowing, then you'll die faster than if you remove any one of those variables.

There. That's all anyone needs to know about wind-chill.

But if they're curious... US Army Cold Weather Injury information

In all seriousness, it could save someone's life to read that... my battle buddy in BCT (in January) started to get hypothermia symptoms and I was conscripted to warm her up rather embarrassingly in front of the rest of the platoon. First and last time I had a female's hands between my thighs...

It seems to me this story needs more details.

...it has way more details when it unfolds in my head.


...and mine...
 
2014-01-30 10:45:39 PM

ladyfortuna: Gyrfalcon: Here is what I know as a former medic, and all you need to know, really:

If it's cold, and the wind is blowing, you will die faster than if it's cold and the wind is not blowing.

If it's cold and you are wet, you will die faster than if it's cold and you are dry.

If it's cold, you're wet, and the wind is blowing, then you'll die faster than if you remove any one of those variables.

There. That's all anyone needs to know about wind-chill.

But if they're curious... US Army Cold Weather Injury information

In all seriousness, it could save someone's life to read that... my battle buddy in BCT (in January) started to get hypothermia symptoms and I was conscripted to warm her up rather embarrassingly in front of the rest of the platoon. First and last time I had a female's hands between my thighs...


(In best Peter Griffen voice) Go on.
 
2014-01-30 11:01:52 PM

Gyrfalcon: VladTheEmailer: ladyfortuna: Gyrfalcon: Here is what I know as a former medic, and all you need to know, really:

If it's cold, and the wind is blowing, you will die faster than if it's cold and the wind is not blowing.

If it's cold and you are wet, you will die faster than if it's cold and you are dry.

If it's cold, you're wet, and the wind is blowing, then you'll die faster than if you remove any one of those variables.

There. That's all anyone needs to know about wind-chill.

But if they're curious... US Army Cold Weather Injury information

In all seriousness, it could save someone's life to read that... my battle buddy in BCT (in January) started to get hypothermia symptoms and I was conscripted to warm her up rather embarrassingly in front of the rest of the platoon. First and last time I had a female's hands between my thighs...

It seems to me this story needs more details.

...it has way more details when it unfolds in my head.

...and mine...


Dear Penthouse. I was in BCT and I never thought it would happen to me, but...
 
2014-01-30 11:03:41 PM

Lehk: of course it's real.

wind chill temperature makes you cold and gives you frostbite/hypothermia about the same as that temperature of still air would do.


No.  Just no.
 
2014-01-30 11:07:27 PM
I think I might "stumble across" this thread tomorrow and show one of the mechanical engineers I work with who does thermal modelling and airflow simulations for our inverters.  This is golden.
 
2014-01-30 11:35:39 PM
Actually, the article goes to great lengths to tell you that in reality there is no difference in temperature because of wind, but that the body perceives a colder temperature, and then goes on to present some ideas that scientists have come up with for why the body might do this.


Apparently subby didn't really read it, or has a Palin-esque level of reading comprehension.
 
2014-01-31 12:24:13 AM
I want to smack the writer of that article one time with no wind and then again with wind and tell me which hurts more.

/then smack them again a few times as a control - that article made my head hurt
 
2014-01-31 12:38:01 AM

Russ1642: Wind chill indexes are calculated for exposed skin. Sooooo maby people I know think it somehow affects their car and shiat like that. It'll be -10 C with a -30 windchill and they think their car isn't going to start. Drives me bananas.


True, but there is moisture in the air and on the surface of the car.  So it could cool off faster once you park it :)
 
2014-01-31 12:45:43 AM

TheStag: Conversely, if the ambient temp were 0 F, the water would absolutely freeze.  The addition of 'windchill' would only speed the process up a bit.


The meteorologists I watch have all been great about spelling this out.
When the temp was -18 and windchill was -30 or worse, they warned that you could get frostbite after just a few minutes of exposure.
 
2014-01-31 01:37:02 AM

Mikey1969: Actually, the article goes to great lengths to tell you that in reality there is no difference in temperature because of wind, but that the body perceives a colder temperature, and then goes on to present some ideas that scientists have come up with for why the body might do this.


Apparently subby didn't really read it, or has a Palin-esque level of reading comprehension.


But the issue isn't whether the air is colder or not. Wind chill IS a thing and WILL cause you to die quicker if you're not prepared for it. Mockingly declaring that "there is no wind chill because the air isn't really colder" somewhat over looks the fact that if it's 20 degrees and no wind, a sweater might keep you alive, whereas if its 20 degrees with a 35 mph wind, you'll die of hypothermia in next to no time; because of the wind chill factor. Yes, the air may still be only 20 degrees, but if there is wind, you die much much quicker.
 
2014-01-31 01:49:13 AM

Huck Chaser: I think it's time to society to accept that most people are just too stupid to understand what wind chill is and is not.


It seems people are just exactly that stupid.
 
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