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(Economist)   Snowstorm that hit Atlanta this week called "Apocalypse without zombies" (pic)   (economist.com) divider line 49
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2014-01-30 01:17:42 PM  
And that's the worst, most boring, kind of apocalypse there is.
 
2014-01-30 01:45:50 PM  
... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.
 
2014-01-30 01:56:33 PM  

ekdikeo4: ... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.


The south has sh*tty drivers??? Dukes of Hazzard LIED to me!!!


*sob*
 
2014-01-30 02:08:06 PM  
Apocalypse? THIS is why we're ridiculing you.

shiat driving drama queens all of you.
 
2014-01-30 02:09:18 PM  

ekdikeo4: ... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.


In Atlanta's case, it was mostly lack of preparedness. This is not the first light snow or ice event to hit the Atlanta area. In the past cases, there was not this complete shutdown of the interstates.
There was nothing done to prep the roads for the storm, even though the state and city has resources to handle ice storms.
 
2014-01-30 02:23:45 PM  
Good thing there weren't any zombies. As badly as Atlanta did with the snow, it was even worse off with the zombies.
 
2014-01-30 02:23:54 PM  
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2014-01-30 02:28:46 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-30 02:28:59 PM  
For Christ's sake, Hotlanta, it was TWO inches of snow and some wind.  Sack up.
 
2014-01-30 02:31:20 PM  

ekdikeo4: ... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.


The south sees no bad weather at all? Ever? Wow, where the hell do I live then?

Oh and people who see snow all the time are no better

wapsisquare.com

That's not an exaggeration.
 
2014-01-30 02:35:13 PM  

SMB2811: ekdikeo4: ... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.

The south sees no bad weather at all? Ever? Wow, where the hell do I live then?

Oh and people who see snow all the time are no better

[wapsisquare.com image 756x289]

That's not an exaggeration.


Remarking that there's stupid people everywhere isn't breaking news.  But when the issue is most of your population and not a fraction of them, that's a slight difference.  There are fresh teens with new driver's licenses ready to smack into you every year.
 
2014-01-30 02:38:34 PM  
It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!

What is so farking hard about "slow down a little, stop a little earlier, don't slam on the gas, don't slam on the break, and don't tailgate people"?

It's pretty simple... you southerners understand 'simple' stuff, right?
 
2014-01-30 02:48:56 PM  
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2014-01-30 02:58:30 PM  

JohnnyC: It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!

What is so farking hard about "slow down a little, stop a little earlier, don't slam on the gas, don't slam on the break, and don't tailgate people"?

It's pretty simple... you southerners understand 'simple' stuff, right?


Good thing guy who has no idea what happened is here.
 
2014-01-30 03:00:03 PM  
Timing was a big part of it; the snow started just before lunch and many businesses told their employees they could leave, resulting in a condensed rush hour volume which packed the snow into ice.

Add to this the piss-poor planning which has resulted in Atlanta's well-known traffic problems and having of the worst average-commute ratings in the US.  Even the roads in the outlying communities are laid out to guarantee a cluster fark when residents of one new residential development or employees from an industrial park are added to the volume.

I'm looking at you Dunwoody, Johns Creek, Alpharetta, Milton and Canton.  You should have reserved more land for roads before selling them off.  Highway 140 and Kimball Bridge should not be two lane roads, you 'tards.  Highway 20 is going to be real bad in a few years.

/pulled from soapbox, told Matlock is on
 
2014-01-30 03:00:29 PM  

JohnnyC: What is so farking hard about "slow down a little, stop a little earlier, don't slam on the gas, don't slam on the break, and don't tailgate people"?


Well, in part because the road system around Atlanta is running near it's capacity to move people about. Even a bunch of people slowing down to merely the speed limit can cause an entertainingly monstrous traffic jam. Thus, slowing down to speeds safe for a snowstorm seems like it could easily result in monstrous parking lot conditions.

On the other hand, yes, most drivers in the south encounter snow relatively rarely, and pretty much all of those practices seem contrary to their usual habit.
 
2014-01-30 03:18:03 PM  
In Atlanta, they call this "Apocalypse Without Zombies."

In Canada, that was accumulation over the last 10 minutes....
 
2014-01-30 03:22:58 PM  

Semper IvXx: JohnnyC: It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!

What is so farking hard about "slow down a little, stop a little earlier, don't slam on the gas, don't slam on the break, and don't tailgate people"?

It's pretty simple... you southerners understand 'simple' stuff, right?

Good thing guy who has no idea what happened is here.


We know exactly what happened. The Atlantans saw some of these...

ak4.picdn.net

... and, collectively, responded like this:

i1182.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-30 03:32:37 PM  
scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2014-01-30 03:34:27 PM  
Hey Atlanta, call us back when you're serious.

www.theyeshivaworld.com
 
2014-01-30 03:35:00 PM  
I do enjoy making fun of the people who just turn into blithering idiots with a simple amount of snowfall but I must admit my area is more prepared to deal with about 6 times what ATL got.  We can get a foot storm maybe not every winter but often enough.  Give us a foot and a half and my area is going to be a bunch of blithering idiots playing bumper cars while the folks in Denver point and laugh.

/actually if we get 8"+ most people just batten the hatches and stay in.  but that is more of a timeframe for a winter storm than anything.
 
2014-01-30 03:38:49 PM  
When it ICED in Dallas in November (or was it early december?) we went from 70F to 17F with snow. That made for an iced over world, with an easy inch of ice on all the roads. I wouldn't drive anywhere, but that was okay because my truck was roughly crusted over with a quarter inch of rime sealing the doors.

If it's freezing, or close to freezing, before precipitation you get snow on the ground. That's how it works in the north. In the south we go from shorts to (wishing we had) parkas in a day. I bought a snow shovel just in case I needed it, but it won't cut ice.
 
2014-01-30 03:49:50 PM  
From what I saw, the majority of the worst problems were caused by 18 wheelers on 285 that slid sideways and blocked everything.

While the fire department had snow chains for their engines, guess who didn't?  All the tow truck companies Atlanta contracts with.

As for ice-driving and what not?  Not a problem for most of us who didn't grow up in Atlanta... just like trying to drive through mud X 10.  The only difference is, we know how to get mud-stuck vehicles unstuck: call your buddy with a Jeep and a winch.  Not too many good trees (or spots with enough friction) when the Interstate is ice.
 
2014-01-30 03:57:27 PM  
So some the pictures/vid I saw had a couple of wrecked semi trailers at the front of a parking lot of traffic behind them....

Why not go around? Why not get a wrecker there from police escort? That was my take away...no law enforcement on the scene directing cars around the jack knifes. Sure it still would have been slow but not stuck for 24 hours slow.
 
2014-01-30 04:01:13 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ekdikeo4: ... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.

In Atlanta's case, it was mostly lack of preparedness. This is not the first light snow or ice event to hit the Atlanta area. In the past cases, there was not this complete shutdown of the interstates.
There was nothing done to prep the roads for the storm, even though the state and city has resources to handle ice storms.


Sure, this isn't the first, but it's not like they get a lot of practice.  I can hardly blame them for having things farked there, because they just don't get it often enough.  A friend of mine in S.C. was begging for someone from "back north" to send them an ice scraper/brush because they just don't exist in stores around there, and they got their 3rd snowfall of the last decade.
 
2014-01-30 04:01:57 PM  
Also surprise snow storms in the daytime tend to create these conditions elsewhere. I remember 2 years ago in Baltimore/DC when it snowed in the middle of the day and people were stuck in their cars all night 295. But yet we didn't hear about it for days on national news. WHEW
 
2014-01-30 04:33:57 PM  

ekdikeo4: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ekdikeo4: ... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.

In Atlanta's case, it was mostly lack of preparedness. This is not the first light snow or ice event to hit the Atlanta area. In the past cases, there was not this complete shutdown of the interstates.
There was nothing done to prep the roads for the storm, even though the state and city has resources to handle ice storms.

Sure, this isn't the first, but it's not like they get a lot of practice.  I can hardly blame them for having things farked there, because they just don't get it often enough.  A friend of mine in S.C. was begging for someone from "back north" to send them an ice scraper/brush because they just don't exist in stores around there, and they got their 3rd snowfall of the last decade.


Your friend sounds like a moron. I've heard tell of a powerful magic called "The Interwebs" where artifacts such as ice scrapers can be acquired. Through powerful spells they can even bring it to your house!
 
2014-01-30 04:56:13 PM  
The city and school districts around Atlanta did fark all to prepare for this. Few schools shut down, few businesses shut down. Once the snow hit, those businesses and schools all shut down at one time resulting in tens or hundreds of thousands of people at the same time as ice accumulating on the road causing it to melt and refreeze several times over resulting in nice slick sheets of glass on the roads. Already shiatty traffic congestion combined with snow driving speeds and now ice covering everything and Atlanta was farked.

Nothing was done to prepare as a cost saving measure. How well did that work out?
 
2014-01-30 04:59:53 PM  

Tax Boy: [i.imgur.com image 595x335]


National Guard playing HAMMER ZEIT on the ice!

Desert boots work great on ice!

It is laughable, the ignorance.
 
2014-01-30 05:03:30 PM  

Luse: Your friend sounds like a moron. I've heard tell of a powerful magic called "The Interwebs" where artifacts such as ice scrapers can be acquired. Through powerful spells they can even bring it to your house!


Your point is well taken and made, and yes, they are imbecilic persons.
But if you're scraping ice off your car, you're doing it wrong.
 
2014-01-30 05:23:47 PM  
I promise you that 8 out of 10 accidents in metro Atlanta involved northerners who "know how to handle it like those folks in Detroit" and where talking about " It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!  "
 
2014-01-30 05:41:59 PM  

JohnnyC: It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!

What is so farking hard about "slow down a little, stop a little earlier, don't slam on the gas, don't slam on the break, and don't tailgate people"?


In other words, the complete opposite of their usual driving habits. Good luck with that.

/let's be honest: even people up here in Toronto have trouble with that
 
2014-01-30 06:06:59 PM  
Or as Ghostbusters called it:

A free floating class 8 snow demon that was so powerful it cost the city 500,000 grand.
 
2014-01-30 06:11:25 PM  

lecgbe: I promise you that 8 out of 10 accidents in metro Atlanta involved northerners who "know how to handle it like those folks in Detroit" and where talking about " It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!  "


Says the guy from Georgia.

Sure thing, guy.
 
2014-01-30 06:27:48 PM  

WinoRhino: lecgbe: I promise you that 8 out of 10 accidents in metro Atlanta involved northerners who "know how to handle it like those folks in Detroit" and where talking about " It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!  "

Says the guy from Georgia.

Sure thing, guy.


A sure sign of resignation. He's no longer arguing that the accidents weren't caused by incompetence and is now arguing it was caused by outsiders who are as incompetent as he is.
 
2014-01-30 07:28:03 PM  
"You know nothing, Rick Grimes."
 
2014-01-30 07:54:55 PM  

metaskie: The city and school districts around Atlanta did fark all to prepare for this. Few schools shut down, few businesses shut down. Once the snow hit, those businesses and schools all shut down at one time resulting in tens or hundreds of thousands of people at the same time as ice accumulating on the road causing it to melt and refreeze several times over resulting in nice slick sheets of glass on the roads. Already shiatty traffic congestion combined with snow driving speeds and now ice covering everything and Atlanta was farked.

Nothing was done to prepare as a cost saving measure. How well did that work out?


Is Ray Nagin mayor of Atlanta now?
 
2014-01-30 08:48:28 PM  

wildcardjack: When it ICED in Dallas in November (or was it early december?) we went from 70F to 17F with snow. That made for an iced over world, with an easy inch of ice on all the roads. I wouldn't drive anywhere, but that was okay because my truck was roughly crusted over with a quarter inch of rime sealing the doors.

If it's freezing, or close to freezing, before precipitation you get snow on the ground. That's how it works in the north. In the south we go from shorts to (wishing we had) parkas in a day. I bought a snow shovel just in case I needed it, but it won't cut ice.


meh...a 40-50 degree swing happen every other week in Michigan.  But I will say what gets my attention is the condensation from exhaust pipes building ice while you wait for the light to change...all while it's to cold for salt to work.
 
2014-01-30 08:56:54 PM  

JohnnyC: It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!

What is so farking hard about "slow down a little, stop a little earlier, don't slam on the gas, don't slam on the break, and don't tailgate people"?

It's pretty simple... you southerners understand 'simple' stuff, right?


Ummm, yeah.  You're an uninformed asshat aren't ya?
 
2014-01-30 09:06:16 PM  

JohnnyC: It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!

What is so farking hard about "slow down a little, stop a little earlier, don't slam on the gas, don't slam on the break, and don't tailgate people"?

It's pretty simple... you southerners understand 'simple' stuff, right?


The slam on the "break" thing?
 
2014-01-30 10:32:17 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: But if you're scraping ice off your car, you're doing it wrong.


Care to explain? I don't exactly carry around gallons of anti-freeze just to throw on my windshield (I used to carry a small bottle sprayer but it was largely ineffective), or have a water boiler handy. I don't have 20 minutes to wait for the inside temperature to get warm enough to melt the outside of the windows either and I don't have heated mirrors on my current car. Ice scraping IS the way to get rid of ice. Just remove it off the windows, leave it on the body however. Paint might go away with the ice when you chip it off (found that the hard way).
 
2014-01-30 11:09:03 PM  

ekdikeo4: ... author makes point that it was gridlocked traffic and not terrible drivers that caused the problems.  No, it really was terrible drivers.  The drivers in the south aren't familiar with driving in bad weather, period.  They are going to be worse in it than people who are used to it.  That's just a fact.  In Detroit, there is no comprehensive public transportation system, but it doesn't get shut down when receiving a couple of inches of crap.  Don't blame it on your city's lack of public transport.  Total lack of preparedness and lack of skill.  Perfectly understandable, considering, it's freaking Atlanta.


No it doesn't matter how good you think you could drive in the weather but on an inch of ice you just slide, and it was due to accidents, most roads were blocked by trucks jackknifed after hitting ice.

The biggest problem with Atlanta rail service is MARTA, whenever an outside city wants to connect to stations they want to know what's in it for them. They all want kickbacks and pretty much openly solicit bribes, most of these farks should be in jail.
 
2014-01-30 11:38:53 PM  

MindStalker: Also surprise snow storms in the daytime tend to create these conditions elsewhere. I remember 2 years ago in Baltimore/DC when it snowed in the middle of the day and people were stuck in their cars all night 295. But yet we didn't hear about it for days on national news. WHEW


It was big fluffy snow falling very thick but the problem was it hit just as rush hour was about to start and no one had really been let out of work early. I worked a mere 5 miles from my house at the time and after almost 4 hours I was still a mile from home. So I pulled off the road, parked my car in front of some random house and walked the rest of the way. Just walked back to get my car the next day.
 
2014-01-30 11:43:40 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Desert boots work great on ice!

It's funny because here in Detroit we have record snowfall this January.  I took off my cold weather BATES and put on my OTB jungle boots for a 9 day trip to costa rica, then switched right back to my BATES.

lecgbe: I promise you that 8 out of 10 accidents in metro Atlanta involved northerners who "know how to handle it like those folks in Detroit" and where talking about " It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!  "


It's funny because here in Detroit we had an inch or two dump in about 2 hours tonight. I made a 25mile drive @40-60mph on the highways and saw not even one accident... If they knew how to handle it like us folks in Detroit, there would have been no problems.
 
2014-01-30 11:47:19 PM  
tznnmp:  But I will say what gets my attention is the condensation from exhaust pipes building ice while you wait for the light to change...all while it's to cold for salt to work.

Yeah, that's what makes stop lights fun around here!  Between that and the fact that stopping at red lights in Detroit can get you killed, it never gets dull.
Fortunately, cops just don't care if you roll right on through red lights, so that's nice.
 
2014-01-31 04:15:21 AM  

ThatGuyOverThere: HotIgneous Intruder: Desert boots work great on ice!
It's funny because here in Detroit we have record snowfall this January.  I took off my cold weather BATES and put on my OTB jungle boots for a 9 day trip to costa rica, then switched right back to my BATES.

lecgbe: I promise you that 8 out of 10 accidents in metro Atlanta involved northerners who "know how to handle it like those folks in Detroit" and where talking about " It was two inches...  TWO INCHES!!!  "

It's funny because here in Detroit we had an inch or two dump in about 2 hours tonight. I made a 25mile drive @40-60mph on the highways and saw not even one accident... If they knew how to handle it like us folks in Detroit, there would have been no problems.


Buh-buh-but snowplows!

I'm not in Detroit. I'm further north. When we get constant snow, the plows might make it out after a few hours of the stuff, but all they end up doing is clearing the main roads which promptly get covered up again.

And we just DO IT. We go where we've gotta go. We don't panic and stop in the middle of the road. We don't look outside in the middle of a work day, see that it's snowing, and scream OH BAH GAWD, KING! AH GAWDA GIT HOME A'FORE IT GITS TOO DEEP!, only to get out in the road and yell OH BAH GAWD, KING! AH'M GONNA STOP RIGHT HERE IN THE ROAD A'CAUSE AHM A'SKEERED TO MOVE!

No. We finish our day. We go out at the normal end to our work day and clean the snow or ice off our cars. We drive carefully, don't slam on the brakes, and don't tailgate (well, the smart ones are like that, anyway. The Escalade and Hummer drivers think they're special and they tailgate and do donuts into the ditch).

Yeah, it might take us an extra 20 minutes to get home. But we get there. We don't spend the night sleeping in the snack foods aisle at our local Rite Aid. We don't have our schools saying, "Nope. We can't get your kids home. We'll be keeping them overnight." either. We drive in damn near zero visibility sometimes. We drive on black ice. We drive on frozen slush. We drive through 6" snow drifts if we have to, and a lot of us do it in sedans or 2WD vehicles without any special gear. I haven't had snow tires or chains on my car since I was a teenager, and I'm in my 40s now.

You can talk about slippery roads and dangerous conditions when you have an ice storm, followed by a week of blizzard. The south's problem had very little to do with the cities not being prepared, and everything to do with a whole lot of stupid people panicking and driving home at the same time, only to stop in the road because the snow scared them, causing traffic jams and accidents. If you'd just finished your work days, gone home at your normal times, and drove with a little caution, you'd have been fine.
 
2014-01-31 10:15:17 AM  
first snow surprises us Finns every year, so Atlanta, don't beat yourself over it too much.

ps. when tires are spinning ease up on gas.
 
2014-01-31 12:26:35 PM  
This article is a PITA to read. Meandering everywhere.
 
2014-01-31 04:36:26 PM  

FlameDuck: first snow surprises us Finns every year, so Atlanta, don't beat yourself over it too much.

ps. when tires are spinning ease up on gas.


It will be our only snow/ice storm for the year.

And spinning implies there is some sort of traction on the other tires, give tips on how to stop sliding or even get traction on the solid sheet of ice our roads became in a little over an hour.
 
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