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(Yahoo)   Hillary Clinton is the largest front-runner ever in the history of a Washington post poll on Democratic presidential candidates, leading Joe Biden by 61 points. So she'll have that, at least, when whatever dark horse actually wins the nom in 2016   (news.yahoo.com ) divider line
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2014-01-30 04:17:51 PM  
Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

I don't know about "unelectable", but Hillary's the least charismatic and empathetic-seeming politician of my lifetime.  There just doesn't seem to be an ounce of kindness about her, and I get no sense of strong intelligence about her either.

A really smart man assured me years ago that then-VP GHWBush was "unelectable", and we all know Hill was a lock for 2012, so I don't believe anything's assured.

I honestly don't much care about the perennial and just plain odd GOP vendetta against her; it's not germane.

She's a dour old conservative, and I'd prefer a liberal democrat.
 
2014-01-30 04:17:57 PM  
As for why I think she'll win, one of her biggest assets she has is that she's not a Republican.
 
2014-01-30 04:19:34 PM  

Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

I don't know about "unelectable", but Hillary's the least charismatic and empathetic-seeming politician of my lifetime.  There just doesn't seem to be an ounce of kindness about her, and I get no sense of strong intelligence about her either.

A really smart man assured me years ago that then-VP GHWBush was "unelectable", and we all know Hill was a lock for 2012, so I don't believe anything's assured.

I honestly don't much care about the perennial and just plain odd GOP vendetta against her; it's not germane.

She's a dour old conservative, and I'd prefer a liberal democrat.


I have to assume you're about 4 years old.

And you've never been exposed to a Republican in those 4 years.
 
2014-01-30 04:22:44 PM  
I gotta jump on the "Hillary isn't great" bandwagon. If the dems want to run a female candidate, they shoe uld run Warren; The fact is, though the republicans hate her, they hate Hillary more, and have done so for much, much longer. It feels like the entire republican party has had a mad-on for Hillary since her husband got elected, and it became even more fervent when she was running in the '08 primaries. If Hillary gets nominated, the republicans are going to wheel out the orbital shiatstorm cannon. Their attacks on Obama will look like playful name-calling in comparison. Warren though, is a relative unknown, and might well be the same kind of teflon-coated candidate that Obama was. Remember, the GOP couldn't get anything substantive to stick to him. They had to make shiat up, and even that didn't stick except in the case of a few fringe lunatics. Hillary would simply give the GOP the one target they've been aiming for for years.
 
2014-01-30 04:25:04 PM  

Secret Troll Alt: I gotta jump on the "Hillary isn't great" bandwagon. If the dems want to run a female candidate, they shoe uld run Warren; The fact is, though the republicans hate her, they hate Hillary more, and have done so for much, much longer. It feels like the entire republican party has had a mad-on for Hillary since her husband got elected, and it became even more fervent when she was running in the '08 primaries. If Hillary gets nominated, the republicans are going to wheel out the orbital shiatstorm cannon. Their attacks on Obama will look like playful name-calling in comparison. Warren though, is a relative unknown, and might well be the same kind of teflon-coated candidate that Obama was. Remember, the GOP couldn't get anything substantive to stick to him. They had to make shiat up, and even that didn't stick except in the case of a few fringe lunatics. Hillary would simply give the GOP the one target they've been aiming for for years.


That's pretty much the one reason I'm not enthused about Hillary. But given the choice between that and the GOP, I'd take Hilary every single time.
 
2014-01-30 04:27:00 PM  

frepnog: wow.  i know fark is a hive of liberal scum and villainy, but I would never have thought you people would stand behind Hillary.

There are surely better choices.  Leave Hillary in the past.


You're confusing "standing behind Hillary" with acknowledging the fact that there is no one else.  I'm not crazy about Hillary.  I'm not a fan of political dynasties and  the level of visceral hate she inspires in Republicans is matched only by Obama, and another four years at least of Republican obstructionism just makes me sick to my farking stomach.

But there is no one else.  Hillary will be well-funded, organized, and if she stays disciplined and avoids any "snipergate" type of gaffes, the nomination is hers to lose.

The issue here is that compared to Ted Cruz, Chris Christie or Rand Paul, Hillary Clinton is Mother farking Theresa.  Us de facto Democrats (people who vote Democrat out of self-preservation rather than conviction) is that we are intrinsically practical in the way we vote, and Hillary annoys me but doesn't scare the shiat out of me like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

The issue is that neither party has a more viable candidate, and that in itself is depressing as shiat.
 
2014-01-30 04:27:47 PM  

frepnog: people HATE obamacare


Is this the best you can do? It's so easily disproved.

I kinda hope you're trolling because people who are as ignorant as you make yourself out to be make me depressed.
 
2014-01-30 04:28:15 PM  
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.
 
2014-01-30 04:33:54 PM  

Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.


Pretty sure he's just a troll.  No sane person could sincerely believe that Santorum could beat Hillary.
 
2014-01-30 04:36:49 PM  

patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%


I see this as the most beneficial news for Democrats in the story. The competition continues to demonstrate that they are complete whack jobs. Worse for the Rs is, I don't see them making any corrective moves. There was that post-election "we've got to get back to reality" moment from the party bosses but it was quickly shoved aside by the derp brigade. This bunch seems hell-bent on self destruction.

/imokwiththat.jpg
 
2014-01-30 04:37:02 PM  

Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)


Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.
 
2014-01-30 04:38:41 PM  
she's got cankles.

that is all.
 
2014-01-30 04:38:42 PM  

ScaryBottles: Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.


And I'm fairly certain that Obama's support in 2016 was the price for Hillary bowing out of the nomination race in 2008.
 
2014-01-30 04:42:10 PM  

ScaryBottles: Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.


It's my gut.  I'm borrowing the technique from Colbert.

Seriously, though, the only real negative against him was a bad campaign where got he caught plagiarizing.  And the reputation as a goof, which he repeatedly disproves with his substance.  But he doesn't seem ambitious enough any more.  "Is Joe Biden Too Happy To Run For President?"

/practicing my Time Magazine cover writing
 
2014-01-30 04:43:03 PM  

colon_pow: she's got cankles.

that is all.


And you wonder why no one likes you.
 
2014-01-30 05:00:24 PM  

ScaryBottles: colon_pow: she's got cankles.

that is all.

And you wonder why no one likes you.


i just call it like i see it.
 
2014-01-30 05:03:30 PM  

Infernalist: ScaryBottles: Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.

And I'm fairly certain that Obama's support in 2016 was the price for Hillary bowing out of the nomination race in 2008.


LOL! She fought bloody and dirty until the bitter end.
 
2014-01-30 05:07:13 PM  

Infernalist: And I'm fairly certain that Obama's support in 2016 was the price for Hillary bowing out of the nomination race in 2008.


I guess you missed the whole part where it became mathematically impossible for her to win.
 
2014-01-30 05:35:18 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The New FDR -- 2020:


there is literally zero chance.
 
2014-01-30 05:38:03 PM  

Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.


I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.
 
2014-01-30 05:45:07 PM  
Please let that dark horse be Brian Schweitzer.
 
2014-01-30 05:53:44 PM  

Aldon: It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.


Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.
 
2014-01-30 06:15:14 PM  

colon_pow: ScaryBottles: colon_pow: she's got cankles.

that is all.

And you wonder why no one likes you.

i just call it like i see it.


And when you get shiat for it, you blame it on those mean liberals who can't understand your 19th/20th century world.
 
2014-01-30 06:52:08 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


If they wanted to see Ted Kennedy in a dress, just show up to the Senate offices on Friday night. That man knew how to party.
 
2014-01-30 07:06:33 PM  

TelemonianAjax: Aldon: It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.

Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.


I like that. Can I use it?
 
2014-01-30 07:13:39 PM  

frepnog: But yeah, he likely would.


I've read a lot of incorrect things on Fark in the last eight years, but this, by far, is the most incorrect.
 
2014-01-30 07:17:53 PM  

Aldon: TelemonianAjax: Aldon: It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.

Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.

I like that. Can I use it?


grumpycat.jpg


Naw, I didn't even coin it. Got it from...Fark, I think? Maybe West Wing? or www.CapitolFax.com. Great comments section there.

The more you think about it the more it rings true.
 
2014-01-30 07:27:05 PM  

Enough_Already: Wow.  So Shrillary is ahead of numbnutz by 61 points?  In other news, the sidewalk in front of my house is ahead of numbnutz by 55 points.

Being ahead of the intellectually-challenged veep is nothing to boast about or be proud of.  Hopefully the old bag is doing neither.


th04.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-30 08:24:41 PM  

Jupiter's Thunder: [themellowjihadi.com image 640x405]

The time has come, and everyone wants a pony anyway.


He's their best candidate this time around sadly .
 
x23
2014-01-31 01:05:28 AM  

qorkfiend: Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?


she personally gunned down Vince Foster and dumped his body in a park. staging it as a supposed "suicide".

study it out.
 
2014-01-31 03:37:47 AM  

zoompow: • Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I see this as the most beneficial news for Democrats in the story. The competition continues to demonstrate that they are complete whack jobs. Worse for the Rs is, I don't see them making any corrective moves. There was that post-election "we've got to get back to reality" moment from the party bosses but it was quickly shoved aside by the derp brigade. This bunch seems hell-bent on self destruction.


It's like mental disorder really.  You have a brief moment of clarity and know what you need to do to get your shiat in order and your life back on track, and then you go right back to the same self-destructive patterns because they're easier in the short-term.

/Also it's disturbing that nearly 20% of them would cheerfully vote for another Bush, after the resounding successes of the first two.  Jesus H Christ.
//Also also I wonder what the overlap is on the 12% for the Cuban Canadian and people who think Obama's birth certificate is fake
 
2014-01-31 05:23:01 AM  
I think a presidency with Hillary would be one scandal after another.  She owes an enormous number of people from the last 21 years, and she'd have to work overtime to pay them back.  Give me a relative newcomer who doesn't have a lot of debts to pay, like Obama.

How about Mike Beebe?   Don't know much about him, but he's amazingly popular.  I suspect he'd win the national election in a rout.
 
2014-01-31 10:58:34 AM  

anfrind: Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.

I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.


Indeed.  He also went mildly insane when people dared question the untouchable genius of Katy Perry's talent.  I'm not exaggerating.  Troll or odd duck; I vote the latter.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8117265/Lady-Gaga-thanks-Carole-King-fo r- her-music-Carole-King-immediately-thanks-Lady-Gaga-for-not-choosing-to -cover-any-of-her-songs
 
2014-01-31 12:21:11 PM  

DemonEater: zoompow: • Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I see this as the most beneficial news for Democrats in the story. The competition continues to demonstrate that they are complete whack jobs. Worse for the Rs is, I don't see them making any corrective moves. There was that post-election "we've got to get back to reality" moment from the party bosses but it was quickly shoved aside by the derp brigade. This bunch seems hell-bent on self destruction.

It's like mental disorder really.  You have a brief moment of clarity and know what you need to do to get your shiat in order and your life back on track, and then you go right back to the same self-destructive patterns because they're easier in the short-term.

/Also it's disturbing that nearly 20% of them would cheerfully vote for another Bush, after the resounding successes of the first two.  Jesus H Christ.
//Also also I wonder what the overlap is on the 12% for the Cuban Canadian and people who think Obama's birth certificate is fake


Yeah...true dat. In fact, there was an interesting article over on The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/could-george-w-bush -b e-the-last-republican-president.html) wherein conservative pundit Myra Adams dissects why Dubya might be the last GOP president. Lots of self-serving derp in the article, of course, but she more or less correctly, if only by accident, pinpoints why the GOP can't win on the national stage. The mental midgets we see on the GOP likely list are merely the symptom of the disease, and not the cause, but as a life-long Democrat, I'll take it.
 
2014-01-31 01:25:42 PM  

Far Cough: anfrind: Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.

I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.

Indeed.  He also went mildly insane when people dared question the untouchable genius of Katy Perry's talent.  I'm not exaggerating.  Troll or odd duck; I vote the latter.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8117265/Lady-Gaga-thanks-Carole-King-fo r- her-music-Carole-King-immediately-thanks-Lady-Gaga-for-not-choosing-to -cover-any-of-her-songs


I just love you guys.  This is why I hang out on Fark.  THIS RIGHT HERE.  Because only on Fark an incredibly talented, beautiful pop artist that has a number one hit record only rivaled by MICHAEL farkING JACKSON is a useless no-talent flash in the pan, and an old bitty with terrible politics, a terrible person life, and more skeletons in the closet than John Wayne Gacy is the best choice for PRESIDENT.

Seriously.  I love you guys.

Oh - and I am not a truther.  Not at all.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:39 PM  

frepnog: Far Cough: anfrind: Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.

I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.

Indeed.  He also went mildly insane when people dared question the untouchable genius of Katy Perry's talent.  I'm not exaggerating.  Troll or odd duck; I vote the latter.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8117265/Lady-Gaga-thanks-Carole-King-fo r- her-music-Carole-King-immediately-thanks-Lady-Gaga-for-not-choosing-to -cover-any-of-her-songs

I just love you guys.  This is why I hang out on Fark.  THIS RIGHT HERE.  Because only on Fark an incredibly talented, beautiful pop artist that has a number one hit record only rivaled by MICHAEL farkING JACKSON is a useless no-talent flash in the pan, and an old bitty with terrible politics, a terrible person life, and more skeletons in the closet than John Wayne Gacy is the best choice for PRESIDENT.

Seriously.  I love you guys.

Oh - and I am not a truther.  Not at all.


Take a stress pill and think things over.
 
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