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(Yahoo)   Hillary Clinton is the largest front-runner ever in the history of a Washington post poll on Democratic presidential candidates, leading Joe Biden by 61 points. So she'll have that, at least, when whatever dark horse actually wins the nom in 2016   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 187
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2014-01-30 02:05:57 PM  

ricewater_stool: They're both too damned old.


Whole lot of this. And  Brian Schweitzer is so in bed with the energy industry (lots of interviews that fracking for oil is ok, keystone pipeline would be safe, etc) that I basically am waiting for any other Dem alternative
 
2014-01-30 02:07:27 PM  

patrick767: qorkfiend: patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I'd say that actually shows the opposite. Out of that group of six, the top three - Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie - are all Republicans very much in the mold of George W. Bush, i.e. the mainstream. Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are the Tea Party fringe.

I'd put Paul Ryan in with the other lunatics. He's far right wing by most any standard except that of the modern Republican party. He's only been trying to look slightly more sane for a year or so. Take another look at his long term budget proposal from a couple years back.

Throw in Cruz, Rubio, and Paul and you've got four of the top six.


I dunno. I'm not saying I'd support the Ryan Budget, but it's not that far out of whack with "mainstream" Republicanism. I'll concede that the "mainstream" may have drifted to the right a bit since 2008, but I don't put Ryan in the same group as Cruz and Paul.
 
2014-01-30 02:08:59 PM  

urbangirl: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


"Good Lord", man, do "you" get "paid" by the "quotation mark"?


I was thinking the "he" could "use" a middle school "education", before he starts ranting about his betters.
 
2014-01-30 02:09:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Rubio is the new Romney, in that he'll say whatever people want him to say. I don't view him in the same mold as Cruz or Paul.


I agree with this analysis. While burnishing his conservative bona fides Rubio has managed to steer clear of the off-the-cliff, double-facepalm stupidities that seem to reach up to bite so many GOP candidates in the ass.

So far...
 
2014-01-30 02:09:30 PM  
the obama healthcare clusterfark has guaranteed our next president will be republican.

after clinton we got bush.

then we got obama.

we will get a republican next, and if any of you idiots thinks Hillary has a snowball's chance in hell of being president, you are all in-farking-sane.  She is too old now and her ideals are in the shiatter.

/not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.

//the next pres will likely focus on stopping legal MJ and gay marriage.

///unless we get really lucky and get a young charismatic republican nom with some good ideas.

////who am i kidding
 
2014-01-30 02:10:07 PM  
Imagine if Clinton won two terms,that would mean nobody under 16 years of age will have ever seen a white guy as president. I think that's amusing.

That's all I wanted to add.
 
2014-01-30 02:10:28 PM  

rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


This is a meme with staying power. I like it.

Let's make this happen. For the lulz.
 
2014-01-30 02:10:54 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy.  The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.


In fairness, they've had a mad on about her since she called folks in for hearings on health care, during her husband's Presidency. And a bit before that, she garnered some ill will. The rage boner that some NeoCons have for her has been straining their pants for nearly a generation now, and that is really the issue. They've waited YEARS to unleash Hell upon her, and they keep being denied the opportunity to CRUSH her in an election, and that singlemindedness has distracted them from a great deal else.

If anything, I think that the mad on for Obama, has less to do with his race--though, there are certainly folks who have eagerly hopped on that bandwagon, and certainly it hasn't stopped folks from accepting their money and support--but rage deferred. He dared keep them from expending their rage upon her, and years of files, years of strategy, years of yearning to just pile on her like a Wildcats' defensive line with cameras to catch all angles of her defeat, that indignation has lovingly transferred to the most libbiest lib who ever libbed a lib, and blinded them. In a lot of ways, the entrenchment to oppose every damn thing the President does, comes from bafflement that they didn't see his winning the nomination. They had nothing, because they didn't imagine that he could take the opportunity to vent their spleens upon Hillary, and that lack of imagination spawned the firm line in the sand that they've drawn. Well, that, and Rovian strategists who have decided to play the blame game to make him the most obstructionist and divisive President ever, by playing the "we oppose" game to everything, and then blame him for their not wanting to be for something that he has been for. It's not the blackness that has them baffled and defensive, it is the fact that he dared catch them by surprise, and thus, they fear the tricksey Obama, who might be laying yet another trap by simple dint of his being.

It shows a marked lack of imagination, and imagination is nothing but intelligence having a good time, and that is telling for the "loyal opposition" at this point. When you are reduced to "If'n he's a fer it, then we's ag'in it!" then you've pretty much decided that you've abdicated on any real ideas of your own.
 
2014-01-30 02:11:13 PM  

BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...


Until the GOP opens their mouth and realize that they could do a lot worse than Hillary.
 
2014-01-30 02:12:18 PM  

frepnog: /not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.


Better than what?
 
2014-01-30 02:12:52 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

This is a meme with staying power. I like it.

Let's make this happen. For the lulz.


It won't stick...she's a teetotaler.
 
2014-01-30 02:14:11 PM  

frepnog: the obama healthcare clusterfark has guaranteed our next president will be republican.

after clinton we got bush.

then we got obama.

we will get a republican next, and if any of you idiots thinks Hillary has a snowball's chance in hell of being president, you are all in-farking-sane.  She is too old now and her ideals are in the shiatter.

/not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.

//the next pres will likely focus on stopping legal MJ and gay marriage.

///unless we get really lucky and get a young charismatic republican nom with some good ideas.

////who am i kidding


Sorry those are mutually exclusive.
 
2014-01-30 02:18:08 PM  

rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress pantsuit."


Let's stick with the old reliables, shall we?
 
2014-01-30 02:19:56 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: I hope the US goes few decades without having different Presidents who also happen to be part of the same immediate family.


Please explain in detail why these "dynasties" are inherently bad. Diffculty: "I don't like it" or any variation doesn't count, a reasons not your opinion. I'll wait.
 
2014-01-30 02:20:02 PM  

frepnog: the obama healthcare clusterfark has guaranteed our next president will be republican.

after clinton we got bush.

then we got obama.

we will get a republican next, and if any of you idiots thinks Hillary has a snowball's chance in hell of being president, you are all in-farking-sane.  She is too old now and her ideals are in the shiatter.

/not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.

//the next pres will likely focus on stopping legal MJ and gay marriage.

///unless we get really lucky and get a young charismatic republican nom with some good ideas.

////who am i kidding


Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism?  I can't tell.
 
2014-01-30 02:20:15 PM  

BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...


Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.
 
2014-01-30 02:20:26 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-30 02:22:04 PM  

ScaryBottles: Bob_Laublaw: I hope the US goes few decades without having different Presidents who also happen to be part of the same immediate family.

Please explain in detail why these "dynasties" are inherently bad. Diffculty: "I don't like it" or any variation doesn't count, a reasons not your opinion. I'll wait.


Reason...... Every time I actually have a point dammit.
 
2014-01-30 02:22:18 PM  
This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.  And I would be just as opposed to anyone else getting the nod at her age.  I prefer to see candidates closer to Obama's age when he was elected.

2) The GOP has about 20 years worth of stored up ammunition for the 'Hillary is Satan' narrative.  They've spent decades perfecting it behind the scenes while raging at Obama publicly.  It's like a literal shiat-cannon.  It's not likely to hurt her chances, but my god, it's going to be filthy and disgusting to see and deal with and it'll last for 8 years or more.

That said, if the DNC is that much behind her, I can't see Obama not helping her with his election network and campaign framework.  Like it or not, barring another Obama showing up out of the blue, she's the nominee in 2016.

And the next President in all likelihood.
 
2014-01-30 02:23:49 PM  

BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...


You sound concerned.....
 
2014-01-30 02:24:12 PM  
What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.
 
2014-01-30 02:25:17 PM  

Infernalist: This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.  And I would be just as opposed to anyone else getting the nod at her age.  I prefer to see candidates closer to Obama's age when he was elected.

2) The GOP has about 20 years worth of stored up ammunition for the 'Hillary is Satan' narrative.  They've spent decades perfecting it behind the scenes while raging at Obama publicly.  It's like a literal shiat-cannon.  It's not likely to hurt her chances, but my god, it's going to be filthy and disgusting to see and deal with and it'll last for 8 years or more.

That said, if the DNC is that much behind her, I can't see Obama not helping her with his election network and campaign framework.  Like it or not, barring another Obama showing up out of the blue, she's the nominee in 2016.

And the next President in all likelihood.


She's not my ideal pick, I'd rather see someone more liberal.  But I'm not so much rooting for her as I am rooting against the GOP.
 
2014-01-30 02:25:20 PM  

Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.


i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.
 
2014-01-30 02:27:30 PM  

frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.


I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.
 
2014-01-30 02:28:06 PM  

Jupiter's Thunder: [themellowjihadi.com image 640x405]

The time has come, and everyone wants a pony anyway.


I traditionally try to catch some rally with a presidential candidate every election year. Last year, we left the line for the last Romney rally in NH because the line was too long and we feared not getting in. But, in that failure, I did meet a presidential candidate - Vermin Supreme
 
2014-01-30 02:29:25 PM  

thewoodman: What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.


So your assertion is that because things changed for the better under a democratic president there is no possible way a democratic nominee can win. Is that correct?
 
2014-01-30 02:29:27 PM  

frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.


Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.
 
2014-01-30 02:30:05 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy.  The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.


You sure it wasn't the result of a Republican think-tank who slapped their heads in unison and said "Conspiracy? Why didn't WE think of that? Get that nut Ailes on the phone!"
 
2014-01-30 02:30:47 PM  

Infernalist: I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.


anything with a penis that the republicans run.

trust me on this one.

/we aren't ready for an elderly crazy democratic female president, and it ain't gonna happen.

//would fully support a good female candidate.  hillary ain't it.
 
2014-01-30 02:31:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.

Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.


Well, they did. It was RomneyCare...
 
2014-01-30 02:32:03 PM  

urbangirl: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


"Good Lord", man, do "you" get "paid" by the "quotation mark"?


Yes, but I have to be "subtle" about it or someone might "catch on" and I'd be out of my "payday".
 
2014-01-30 02:32:17 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


No, she was responding to said war (which already existed) with the "right wing conspiracy" comment.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:12 PM  

jso2897: urbangirl: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


"Good Lord", man, do "you" get "paid" by the "quotation mark"?

I was thinking the "he" could "use" a middle school "education", before he starts ranting about his betters.


"Bite" me.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:43 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: I hope the US goes few decades without having different Presidents who also happen to be part of the same immediate family.


I tend to agree with you as far as dynasties are concerned, but I exclude first ladies. Being a former first lady actually gives you insight into the job, especially if you're as active a FL as Hillary was. I wouldn't vote for Jeb Bush or Roger Clinton, but it's harder to make that anti-dynasty argument with Hillary, IMO.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:59 PM  

Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.


I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?
 
2014-01-30 02:34:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.


right now all they need to replace it with is vacuum and they will take it.

people HATE obamacare and feel like the president straight up lied about it.  this is FAR more important than any weapons or wars bush may or may not have lied about.  that affected non one here directly.

facts are not what is important here.  what people FEEL is.

all the repub candidate has to promise is to dismantle obamacare.

whether the candidate actually plans on doing it or now.

after all, obama promised to close gitmo.
 
2014-01-30 02:34:45 PM  

thewoodman: What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.


"My fellow Americans, do you enjoy being insured?  Do you enjoy having unemployment insurance?  Do you enjoy clean air, clean water, safe products?  Do you like having a social safety net?

Well, citizens....If America elects a Republican President, you're going to see them tear all that down.  Remember West Virginia's chemical spill?  It might happen in your state next.  Remember Mitt Romney saying that GM should shut down and cut up and sold off to the highest bidder?  Give them a chance and they may do it anyways.

Republicans have no concern other than feathering their own nests and tending to the richest among us.  If your single concern is how much you pay in taxes per year, I invite you to vote Republican.  If you're filthy rich and you don't care a whit for anyone else other than yourself and your own interests, I invite you to vote Republican.

The rest of you, I expect to see voting Democratic in 2016.  Thank you and God bless America."
 
2014-01-30 02:35:54 PM  

frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.


ObamaCare might cost the Democrats the Senate in 2014. But it won't necessarily cost them the Presidency in 2016.

Hillary cannot win for a whole host of reasons completely unrelated ObamaCare. I hope she doesn't get the Democratic nod.
 
2014-01-30 02:36:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.


They do.  "The way things were before."
 
2014-01-30 02:36:51 PM  

BravadoGT: Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.

I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?


You're taking someone who thought that Romney was going to win 315-223 seriously?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/11/barone-romne y- wins-handily-148289.html
 
2014-01-30 02:37:03 PM  

frepnog: Infernalist: I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.

anything with a penis that the republicans run.

trust me on this one.

/we aren't ready for an elderly crazy democratic female president, and it ain't gonna happen.

//would fully support a good female candidate.  hillary ain't it.


So you wanna elaborate or is that it sparkles?

Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:

images.smh.com.au
 
2014-01-30 02:37:11 PM  

frepnog: Infernalist: I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.

anything with a penis that the republicans run.

trust me on this one.

/we aren't ready for an elderly crazy democratic female president, and it ain't gonna happen.

//would fully support a good female candidate.  hillary ain't it.


Give me a name, then.
 
2014-01-30 02:37:42 PM  
I'd vote for Hilary.  Hell, even my right wing nutjob spouse said that he'd hold his nose and vote for Hilary over any Republican the leadership is floating around.

Even crotchety, privileged white guys who cling to their guns and religion can be turned off by an insistence that women can't manage their own reproduction or that healthcare should be denied because reasons...who would've thought? Not Republicans, obviously.
 
2014-01-30 02:39:14 PM  

Rapmaster2000: She's still losing to Generic Republican.  That guy polls so much better than actual Republicans.


You mean Gen. Eric R. Publican? I mean he's got military experience, and you know how people love that.

/not sure if he ever saw combat, though
 
2014-01-30 02:39:31 PM  

Infernalist: This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.


Fun fact: if Hillary was elected in 2016 and served two full terms, she would be 76 upon leaving office. That's the same age as Golda Meir when she retired from office, and two years younger than John McCain would have been at the end of a second term had he won in 2008. It's a little old, but not unreasonably so. I work with a guy who's 73, and he's only just now starting to lose his ability to climb up and down 10 or 15 flights of stairs in a day.
 
2014-01-30 02:42:35 PM  

BMulligan: Infernalist: This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.

Fun fact: if Hillary was elected in 2016 and served two full terms, she would be 76 upon leaving office. That's the same age as Golda Meir when she retired from office, and two years younger than John McCain would have been at the end of a second term had he won in 2008. It's a little old, but not unreasonably so. I work with a guy who's 73, and he's only just now starting to lose his ability to climb up and down 10 or 15 flights of stairs in a day.


As I said, I would much more prefer someone closer to Obama's age than Hillary's.  The job has got to be THE most stressful job in the world.

I'm not saying she can't do it, I'm just saying I'd prefer someone younger.
 
2014-01-30 02:42:46 PM  

ScaryBottles: Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:


i wouldn't elect that moron president of my empty shampoo bottles.

Infernalist: Give me a name, then.


i have no idea.  any thoughts?  i'd LOVE a good female candidate.
 
2014-01-30 02:42:56 PM  

thewoodman: What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.


Surely a Democrat could just run on "we promise not to send troops every other country in the world that begins with a vowel" and expect to win, let alone actually having any positive policies.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:03 PM  

BravadoGT: Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.

I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?


Read this article...which came out 2 hours ago: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-2016-hillary-clinton-has-c o mmanding-lead-over-democrats-gop-race-wide-open/2014/01/29/188bb3f4-89 04-11e3-833c-33098f9e5267_story.html

Short version:  "~~Clinton trounces her potential primary rivals with 73 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, reinforcing a narrative of inevitability around her nomination if she runs. Vice President Biden is second with 12 percent, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) is third with 8 percent."

And: "~~In a theoretical head-to-head general-election matchup, Clinton leads Christie among registered voters, 53 percent to 41 percent. This is a far larger deficit than Republicans had in the popular vote in the past two presidential elections."

Say if after me...Madame President.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:49 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:

i wouldn't elect that moron president of my empty shampoo bottles.

Infernalist: Give me a name, then.

i have no idea.  any thoughts?  i'd LOVE a good female candidate.


I'm not the one saying she'd lose.

you are.

So, who the hell is going to beat her?  Just slap your face on the keyboard a few times and hit enter.
 
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