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(Yahoo)   Hillary Clinton is the largest front-runner ever in the history of a Washington post poll on Democratic presidential candidates, leading Joe Biden by 61 points. So she'll have that, at least, when whatever dark horse actually wins the nom in 2016   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 187
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2014-01-30 11:22:30 AM  

I thought he couldn't run again?



//I'm a bad person
 
2014-01-30 11:40:40 AM  
That's racist
 
2014-01-30 11:40:43 AM  

flucto: I thought he couldn't run again?

//I'm a bad person


subby's talking about the other blah guy, Cory Booker.
 
2014-01-30 11:51:08 AM  

flucto: I thought he couldn't run again?

//I'm a bad person


I like him better than anyone else in the field of potentials right now.
 
2014-01-30 12:03:56 PM  
I'm liking this Brian Schweitzer guy myself.
 
2014-01-30 01:10:51 PM  
1) Obama works with Ted Cruz to repeal the 14th Amendment for future elections.
2) Obama declares he was born in Kenya nullifying his two terms as President retroactively making Biden President
3) Runs for President in 2016 and 2020
 
2014-01-30 01:20:49 PM  

ManateeGag: flucto: I thought he couldn't run again?

//I'm a bad person

subby's talking about the other blah guy, Cory Booker.


That's who I'm rooting for. Because he seem like a cool guy, he is nice to strippers on twitter, two black presidents in a row will make the GOP loons heads assplode even more (and there's the potential that he could end his inaugural address by saying "once you go black"), that pesky rumor that he's gay (however unlikely and NTTAWT) opens the door for him to come out while in the White House... or he could just be a straight guy but get some republican heads to explode by dating one or several white women while in office.
 
2014-01-30 01:31:13 PM  
Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

emergency-pants.net
 
2014-01-30 01:31:38 PM  
That's a damn shame. I farking love me some Joe Biden.
 
2014-01-30 01:33:16 PM  
That's too bad, I like Biden better than Hilary.
 
2014-01-30 01:34:11 PM  
A person foolishly pretending that  electing someone through a fair democratic election who is a relative of a past president is identical to a monarch where a royal has birthright powers not ever elected by the people is the same thing in 3... 2... 1...
 
2014-01-30 01:34:34 PM  
It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.
 
m00
2014-01-30 01:35:05 PM  
"dark horse" heh
 
2014-01-30 01:35:30 PM  
I hope the US goes few decades without having different Presidents who also happen to be part of the same immediate family.
 
2014-01-30 01:36:48 PM  

Aldon: It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.


I think it shows a lot about the parties. I think Democrats are looking for someone "new" and I think the Republicans have a more loyalty and no someone who has been around.

The next election may be different. If the GOP noms someone nuts I would love to nominate more left like Warren
 
2014-01-30 01:37:16 PM  
Well if it's not Hillary it has to be a Clinton. Right? Isn't that how it works?
 
2014-01-30 01:37:19 PM  
It'll likely also happen in Canada as well with Trudeau part 2.

It would be swell to see Ben Mulroney run against him.
 
2014-01-30 01:38:07 PM  
So the Washington Post made a poll out of a thousand mouth breathers around the suburbs of Northern Virginia and declares that's what the entire Democratic Party is thinking?

Yeah, you go do that, WaPo.
 
2014-01-30 01:39:49 PM  
She's still losing to Generic Republican.  That guy polls so much better than actual Republicans.
 
2014-01-30 01:39:59 PM  
Hillary is too conservative to get through the primaries, but she makes a great windmill for the GOP to fight.
 
2014-01-30 01:41:23 PM  
Subtle, but I like it.
 
2014-01-30 01:42:45 PM  
Alright, alright. I'll accept Hillary as the nominee on the condition that Joe Biden is once again nominated Vice President.

Come to think of it, I'd accept almost anyone as the nominee if they have Joe Biden as their Vice President.
 
2014-01-30 01:42:55 PM  

flucto: I thought he couldn't run again?

//I'm a bad person




He could run again, But he has to write an executive order to allow it.

/I think Obama counts as a Clinton, so next up is a Bush.
 
2014-01-30 01:42:59 PM  
Didn't the GOP learn last time about the dangers of spending all your research money and time on ways to defeat Hillary Clinton and forget about any other candidate so all you had was "he is clearly a Muslim Kenyan and therefore is not eligible to run for the presidency?"
 
2014-01-30 01:43:18 PM  

Rapmaster2000: She's still losing to Generic Republican.  That guy polls so much better than actual Republicans.


Snert...drink! :)
 
2014-01-30 01:43:45 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.


Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."
 
2014-01-30 01:44:02 PM  
have the chickens already hatched?

i will support the best candidate for the job, the one that most coincides with my political beliefs ;)

that said, i am currently not a Hillary supporter & i will never understand why so many members of the same families manage to become front runners in American politics.

i hear even ol' Jeb Bush is making the polls, that's a lot of Bush! maybe he should throw a "c" in his name...Busch.
 
2014-01-30 01:44:14 PM  

Corvus: A person foolishly pretending that  electing someone through a fair democratic election who is a relative of a past president is identical to a monarch where a royal has birthright powers not ever elected by the people is the same thing "Too old" in 3... 2... 1...

 
2014-01-30 01:46:23 PM  
The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%
 
2014-01-30 01:47:40 PM  

way south: I think Obama counts as a Clinton, so next up is a Bush.


Fun fact: Clinton was not literally our first black president.
 
2014-01-30 01:48:44 PM  

Rapmaster2000: She's still losing to Generic Republican.  That guy polls so much better than actual Republicans.


In fairness, that guy keeps his mouth closed so as to gather no feet...
 
2014-01-30 01:49:44 PM  

patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%


I'd say that actually shows the opposite. Out of that group of six, the top three - Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie - are all Republicans very much in the mold of George W. Bush, i.e. the mainstream. Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are the Tea Party fringe.
 
2014-01-30 01:50:06 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."



You've seen the Republicans in action over the last decade or so. Doesn't it kinda make her "right-wing conspiracy talk seem lees crazy?
 
2014-01-30 01:51:37 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel,


No.

Fun fact: The right wing were indeed conspiring against her and her husband
 
2014-01-30 01:52:33 PM  
Benghazi!
 
2014-01-30 01:52:33 PM  
Chelsea Clinton will be 36 in November 2016. YOUNGEST PRESIDENT EVAR!
 
2014-01-30 01:53:47 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."



"Good Lord", man, do "you" get "paid" by the "quotation mark"?
 
2014-01-30 01:54:14 PM  
Ah, I guess we're just going to have to get used to these stupid threads for the next two years.

Will Hillary run she won't run will Hillary run
she won't run is Hillary 45 she isn't 45
Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi
Hitlery Hitlery Hitlery Hitlery
 
2014-01-30 01:54:35 PM  
They're both too damned old.
 
2014-01-30 01:57:41 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy.  The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
 
2014-01-30 01:58:02 PM  
Don't you think she looks tired?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2014-01-30 01:58:17 PM  
I'm surprised. This didn't (yet?) devolve into a Christie 'largest front runner ever' string of jokes.

/+1 PolTab
 
2014-01-30 01:58:45 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy. The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.


Boo!
 
2014-01-30 02:00:13 PM  

qorkfiend: patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I'd say that actually shows the opposite. Out of that group of six, the top three - Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie - are all Republicans very much in the mold of George W. Bush, i.e. the mainstream. Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are the Tea Party fringe.


Rubio is the new Romney, in that he'll say whatever people want him to say. I don't view him in the same mold as Cruz or Paul.
 
2014-01-30 02:00:38 PM  

Cletus C.: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy. The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Boo!


"No!  GOPers just happen to, very individually, march in lockstep to a range of centrally-planned messaging 99.9999% of the time!"
 
2014-01-30 02:02:08 PM  

Cletus C.: Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy. The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Boo!


"No!  The GOP isn't just throwing tons and tons of shiat against the wall to slow down the opposition in brazenly unethical and destructive ways, they're just asking questions!  Ask Darrell Issa!"
 
2014-01-30 02:03:03 PM  
themellowjihadi.com

The time has come, and everyone wants a pony anyway.
 
2014-01-30 02:04:55 PM  

qorkfiend: patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I'd say that actually shows the opposite. Out of that group of six, the top three - Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie - are all Republicans very much in the mold of George W. Bush, i.e. the mainstream. Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are the Tea Party fringe.


I'd put Paul Ryan in with the other lunatics. He's far right wing by most any standard except that of the modern Republican party. He's only been trying to look slightly more sane for a year or so. Take another look at his long term budget proposal from a couple years back.

Throw in Cruz, Rubio, and Paul and you've got four of the top six.
 
2014-01-30 02:05:20 PM  

patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%


LOL...thanks! That made me go to the intarwebs to take a look at the likely GOP lineup from the Ames Straw Poll of three years ago (earliest one I could find with a quickie google search):

Michele Bachmann led all likely candidates
RON PAUL was a close second
Tim Pawlenty placed a distant third
Rick Perry was DFL
Mitt Romney didn't enter
 
2014-01-30 02:05:48 PM  
Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...
 
2014-01-30 02:05:57 PM  

ricewater_stool: They're both too damned old.


Whole lot of this. And  Brian Schweitzer is so in bed with the energy industry (lots of interviews that fracking for oil is ok, keystone pipeline would be safe, etc) that I basically am waiting for any other Dem alternative
 
2014-01-30 02:07:27 PM  

patrick767: qorkfiend: patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I'd say that actually shows the opposite. Out of that group of six, the top three - Paul Ryan, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie - are all Republicans very much in the mold of George W. Bush, i.e. the mainstream. Cruz, Rubio, and Paul are the Tea Party fringe.

I'd put Paul Ryan in with the other lunatics. He's far right wing by most any standard except that of the modern Republican party. He's only been trying to look slightly more sane for a year or so. Take another look at his long term budget proposal from a couple years back.

Throw in Cruz, Rubio, and Paul and you've got four of the top six.


I dunno. I'm not saying I'd support the Ryan Budget, but it's not that far out of whack with "mainstream" Republicanism. I'll concede that the "mainstream" may have drifted to the right a bit since 2008, but I don't put Ryan in the same group as Cruz and Paul.
 
2014-01-30 02:08:59 PM  

urbangirl: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


"Good Lord", man, do "you" get "paid" by the "quotation mark"?


I was thinking the "he" could "use" a middle school "education", before he starts ranting about his betters.
 
2014-01-30 02:09:09 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Rubio is the new Romney, in that he'll say whatever people want him to say. I don't view him in the same mold as Cruz or Paul.


I agree with this analysis. While burnishing his conservative bona fides Rubio has managed to steer clear of the off-the-cliff, double-facepalm stupidities that seem to reach up to bite so many GOP candidates in the ass.

So far...
 
2014-01-30 02:09:30 PM  
the obama healthcare clusterfark has guaranteed our next president will be republican.

after clinton we got bush.

then we got obama.

we will get a republican next, and if any of you idiots thinks Hillary has a snowball's chance in hell of being president, you are all in-farking-sane.  She is too old now and her ideals are in the shiatter.

/not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.

//the next pres will likely focus on stopping legal MJ and gay marriage.

///unless we get really lucky and get a young charismatic republican nom with some good ideas.

////who am i kidding
 
2014-01-30 02:10:07 PM  
Imagine if Clinton won two terms,that would mean nobody under 16 years of age will have ever seen a white guy as president. I think that's amusing.

That's all I wanted to add.
 
2014-01-30 02:10:28 PM  

rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


This is a meme with staying power. I like it.

Let's make this happen. For the lulz.
 
2014-01-30 02:10:54 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy.  The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.


In fairness, they've had a mad on about her since she called folks in for hearings on health care, during her husband's Presidency. And a bit before that, she garnered some ill will. The rage boner that some NeoCons have for her has been straining their pants for nearly a generation now, and that is really the issue. They've waited YEARS to unleash Hell upon her, and they keep being denied the opportunity to CRUSH her in an election, and that singlemindedness has distracted them from a great deal else.

If anything, I think that the mad on for Obama, has less to do with his race--though, there are certainly folks who have eagerly hopped on that bandwagon, and certainly it hasn't stopped folks from accepting their money and support--but rage deferred. He dared keep them from expending their rage upon her, and years of files, years of strategy, years of yearning to just pile on her like a Wildcats' defensive line with cameras to catch all angles of her defeat, that indignation has lovingly transferred to the most libbiest lib who ever libbed a lib, and blinded them. In a lot of ways, the entrenchment to oppose every damn thing the President does, comes from bafflement that they didn't see his winning the nomination. They had nothing, because they didn't imagine that he could take the opportunity to vent their spleens upon Hillary, and that lack of imagination spawned the firm line in the sand that they've drawn. Well, that, and Rovian strategists who have decided to play the blame game to make him the most obstructionist and divisive President ever, by playing the "we oppose" game to everything, and then blame him for their not wanting to be for something that he has been for. It's not the blackness that has them baffled and defensive, it is the fact that he dared catch them by surprise, and thus, they fear the tricksey Obama, who might be laying yet another trap by simple dint of his being.

It shows a marked lack of imagination, and imagination is nothing but intelligence having a good time, and that is telling for the "loyal opposition" at this point. When you are reduced to "If'n he's a fer it, then we's ag'in it!" then you've pretty much decided that you've abdicated on any real ideas of your own.
 
2014-01-30 02:11:13 PM  

BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...


Until the GOP opens their mouth and realize that they could do a lot worse than Hillary.
 
2014-01-30 02:12:18 PM  

frepnog: /not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.


Better than what?
 
2014-01-30 02:12:52 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

This is a meme with staying power. I like it.

Let's make this happen. For the lulz.


It won't stick...she's a teetotaler.
 
2014-01-30 02:14:11 PM  

frepnog: the obama healthcare clusterfark has guaranteed our next president will be republican.

after clinton we got bush.

then we got obama.

we will get a republican next, and if any of you idiots thinks Hillary has a snowball's chance in hell of being president, you are all in-farking-sane.  She is too old now and her ideals are in the shiatter.

/not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.

//the next pres will likely focus on stopping legal MJ and gay marriage.

///unless we get really lucky and get a young charismatic republican nom with some good ideas.

////who am i kidding


Sorry those are mutually exclusive.
 
2014-01-30 02:18:08 PM  

rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress pantsuit."


Let's stick with the old reliables, shall we?
 
2014-01-30 02:19:56 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: I hope the US goes few decades without having different Presidents who also happen to be part of the same immediate family.


Please explain in detail why these "dynasties" are inherently bad. Diffculty: "I don't like it" or any variation doesn't count, a reasons not your opinion. I'll wait.
 
2014-01-30 02:20:02 PM  

frepnog: the obama healthcare clusterfark has guaranteed our next president will be republican.

after clinton we got bush.

then we got obama.

we will get a republican next, and if any of you idiots thinks Hillary has a snowball's chance in hell of being president, you are all in-farking-sane.  She is too old now and her ideals are in the shiatter.

/not looking forward to a new repub pres, but anything has to be better than this.

//the next pres will likely focus on stopping legal MJ and gay marriage.

///unless we get really lucky and get a young charismatic republican nom with some good ideas.

////who am i kidding


Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism?  I can't tell.
 
2014-01-30 02:20:15 PM  

BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...


Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.
 
2014-01-30 02:20:26 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-30 02:22:04 PM  

ScaryBottles: Bob_Laublaw: I hope the US goes few decades without having different Presidents who also happen to be part of the same immediate family.

Please explain in detail why these "dynasties" are inherently bad. Diffculty: "I don't like it" or any variation doesn't count, a reasons not your opinion. I'll wait.


Reason...... Every time I actually have a point dammit.
 
2014-01-30 02:22:18 PM  
This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.  And I would be just as opposed to anyone else getting the nod at her age.  I prefer to see candidates closer to Obama's age when he was elected.

2) The GOP has about 20 years worth of stored up ammunition for the 'Hillary is Satan' narrative.  They've spent decades perfecting it behind the scenes while raging at Obama publicly.  It's like a literal shiat-cannon.  It's not likely to hurt her chances, but my god, it's going to be filthy and disgusting to see and deal with and it'll last for 8 years or more.

That said, if the DNC is that much behind her, I can't see Obama not helping her with his election network and campaign framework.  Like it or not, barring another Obama showing up out of the blue, she's the nominee in 2016.

And the next President in all likelihood.
 
2014-01-30 02:23:49 PM  

BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...


You sound concerned.....
 
2014-01-30 02:24:12 PM  
What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.
 
2014-01-30 02:25:17 PM  

Infernalist: This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.  And I would be just as opposed to anyone else getting the nod at her age.  I prefer to see candidates closer to Obama's age when he was elected.

2) The GOP has about 20 years worth of stored up ammunition for the 'Hillary is Satan' narrative.  They've spent decades perfecting it behind the scenes while raging at Obama publicly.  It's like a literal shiat-cannon.  It's not likely to hurt her chances, but my god, it's going to be filthy and disgusting to see and deal with and it'll last for 8 years or more.

That said, if the DNC is that much behind her, I can't see Obama not helping her with his election network and campaign framework.  Like it or not, barring another Obama showing up out of the blue, she's the nominee in 2016.

And the next President in all likelihood.


She's not my ideal pick, I'd rather see someone more liberal.  But I'm not so much rooting for her as I am rooting against the GOP.
 
2014-01-30 02:25:20 PM  

Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.


i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.
 
2014-01-30 02:27:30 PM  

frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.


I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.
 
2014-01-30 02:28:06 PM  

Jupiter's Thunder: [themellowjihadi.com image 640x405]

The time has come, and everyone wants a pony anyway.


I traditionally try to catch some rally with a presidential candidate every election year. Last year, we left the line for the last Romney rally in NH because the line was too long and we feared not getting in. But, in that failure, I did meet a presidential candidate - Vermin Supreme
 
2014-01-30 02:29:25 PM  

thewoodman: What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.


So your assertion is that because things changed for the better under a democratic president there is no possible way a democratic nominee can win. Is that correct?
 
2014-01-30 02:29:27 PM  

frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.


Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.
 
2014-01-30 02:30:05 PM  

Scorpitron is reduced to a thin red paste: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

She was absolutely, positively, 100% correct about a vast right-wing conspiracy.  The last 14 years has proven it beyond a shadow of a doubt.


You sure it wasn't the result of a Republican think-tank who slapped their heads in unison and said "Conspiracy? Why didn't WE think of that? Get that nut Ailes on the phone!"
 
2014-01-30 02:30:47 PM  

Infernalist: I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.


anything with a penis that the republicans run.

trust me on this one.

/we aren't ready for an elderly crazy democratic female president, and it ain't gonna happen.

//would fully support a good female candidate.  hillary ain't it.
 
2014-01-30 02:31:22 PM  

Mrtraveler01: frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.

Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.


Well, they did. It was RomneyCare...
 
2014-01-30 02:32:03 PM  

urbangirl: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


"Good Lord", man, do "you" get "paid" by the "quotation mark"?


Yes, but I have to be "subtle" about it or someone might "catch on" and I'd be out of my "payday".
 
2014-01-30 02:32:17 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


No, she was responding to said war (which already existed) with the "right wing conspiracy" comment.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:12 PM  

jso2897: urbangirl: rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


"Good Lord", man, do "you" get "paid" by the "quotation mark"?

I was thinking the "he" could "use" a middle school "education", before he starts ranting about his betters.


"Bite" me.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:43 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: I hope the US goes few decades without having different Presidents who also happen to be part of the same immediate family.


I tend to agree with you as far as dynasties are concerned, but I exclude first ladies. Being a former first lady actually gives you insight into the job, especially if you're as active a FL as Hillary was. I wouldn't vote for Jeb Bush or Roger Clinton, but it's harder to make that anti-dynasty argument with Hillary, IMO.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:59 PM  

Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.


I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?
 
2014-01-30 02:34:44 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.


right now all they need to replace it with is vacuum and they will take it.

people HATE obamacare and feel like the president straight up lied about it.  this is FAR more important than any weapons or wars bush may or may not have lied about.  that affected non one here directly.

facts are not what is important here.  what people FEEL is.

all the repub candidate has to promise is to dismantle obamacare.

whether the candidate actually plans on doing it or now.

after all, obama promised to close gitmo.
 
2014-01-30 02:34:45 PM  

thewoodman: What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.


"My fellow Americans, do you enjoy being insured?  Do you enjoy having unemployment insurance?  Do you enjoy clean air, clean water, safe products?  Do you like having a social safety net?

Well, citizens....If America elects a Republican President, you're going to see them tear all that down.  Remember West Virginia's chemical spill?  It might happen in your state next.  Remember Mitt Romney saying that GM should shut down and cut up and sold off to the highest bidder?  Give them a chance and they may do it anyways.

Republicans have no concern other than feathering their own nests and tending to the richest among us.  If your single concern is how much you pay in taxes per year, I invite you to vote Republican.  If you're filthy rich and you don't care a whit for anyone else other than yourself and your own interests, I invite you to vote Republican.

The rest of you, I expect to see voting Democratic in 2016.  Thank you and God bless America."
 
2014-01-30 02:35:54 PM  

frepnog: Zerochance: Is this concern trolling, or foolhardy libertarianism? I can't tell.

i am not trolling.  millions of americans either hate or straight up mis-understand obamacare, and that clusterfark is going to cost the dems the next election.

hide and watch, dude.  the repups are going to HAMMER that shiat come election time, promising to un-do and fix it.

and it is going to work.

and if the dems run hillary.....  the repubs CAN NOT LOSE.


ObamaCare might cost the Democrats the Senate in 2014. But it won't necessarily cost them the Presidency in 2016.

Hillary cannot win for a whole host of reasons completely unrelated ObamaCare. I hope she doesn't get the Democratic nod.
 
2014-01-30 02:36:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Maybe if the GOP actually had a plan to replace Obamacare, they would have a better chance of winning.


They do.  "The way things were before."
 
2014-01-30 02:36:51 PM  

BravadoGT: Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.

I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?


You're taking someone who thought that Romney was going to win 315-223 seriously?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/11/barone-romne y- wins-handily-148289.html
 
2014-01-30 02:37:03 PM  

frepnog: Infernalist: I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.

anything with a penis that the republicans run.

trust me on this one.

/we aren't ready for an elderly crazy democratic female president, and it ain't gonna happen.

//would fully support a good female candidate.  hillary ain't it.


So you wanna elaborate or is that it sparkles?

Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:

images.smh.com.au
 
2014-01-30 02:37:11 PM  

frepnog: Infernalist: I'll take this post seriously if you can supply me with the name of the person who you believe will beat her.

anything with a penis that the republicans run.

trust me on this one.

/we aren't ready for an elderly crazy democratic female president, and it ain't gonna happen.

//would fully support a good female candidate.  hillary ain't it.


Give me a name, then.
 
2014-01-30 02:37:42 PM  
I'd vote for Hilary.  Hell, even my right wing nutjob spouse said that he'd hold his nose and vote for Hilary over any Republican the leadership is floating around.

Even crotchety, privileged white guys who cling to their guns and religion can be turned off by an insistence that women can't manage their own reproduction or that healthcare should be denied because reasons...who would've thought? Not Republicans, obviously.
 
2014-01-30 02:39:14 PM  

Rapmaster2000: She's still losing to Generic Republican.  That guy polls so much better than actual Republicans.


You mean Gen. Eric R. Publican? I mean he's got military experience, and you know how people love that.

/not sure if he ever saw combat, though
 
2014-01-30 02:39:31 PM  

Infernalist: This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.


Fun fact: if Hillary was elected in 2016 and served two full terms, she would be 76 upon leaving office. That's the same age as Golda Meir when she retired from office, and two years younger than John McCain would have been at the end of a second term had he won in 2008. It's a little old, but not unreasonably so. I work with a guy who's 73, and he's only just now starting to lose his ability to climb up and down 10 or 15 flights of stairs in a day.
 
2014-01-30 02:42:35 PM  

BMulligan: Infernalist: This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.

Fun fact: if Hillary was elected in 2016 and served two full terms, she would be 76 upon leaving office. That's the same age as Golda Meir when she retired from office, and two years younger than John McCain would have been at the end of a second term had he won in 2008. It's a little old, but not unreasonably so. I work with a guy who's 73, and he's only just now starting to lose his ability to climb up and down 10 or 15 flights of stairs in a day.


As I said, I would much more prefer someone closer to Obama's age than Hillary's.  The job has got to be THE most stressful job in the world.

I'm not saying she can't do it, I'm just saying I'd prefer someone younger.
 
2014-01-30 02:42:46 PM  

ScaryBottles: Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:


i wouldn't elect that moron president of my empty shampoo bottles.

Infernalist: Give me a name, then.


i have no idea.  any thoughts?  i'd LOVE a good female candidate.
 
2014-01-30 02:42:56 PM  

thewoodman: What's a Democrat going to run on, anyways?  We have healthcare, both wars should be over, gay marriage is ok, pot is legal, immigration will be sorted out, hopefully, what other big thing is out there?  About all that is left is how do we treat "poor people".  And even if Clinton is elected, that only means 4-8 more years of political fighting and everybody being pissed about something all the time.  Although that will be true no matter who is elected.


Surely a Democrat could just run on "we promise not to send troops every other country in the world that begins with a vowel" and expect to win, let alone actually having any positive policies.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:03 PM  

BravadoGT: Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.

I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?


Read this article...which came out 2 hours ago: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-2016-hillary-clinton-has-c o mmanding-lead-over-democrats-gop-race-wide-open/2014/01/29/188bb3f4-89 04-11e3-833c-33098f9e5267_story.html

Short version:  "~~Clinton trounces her potential primary rivals with 73 percent of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, reinforcing a narrative of inevitability around her nomination if she runs. Vice President Biden is second with 12 percent, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.) is third with 8 percent."

And: "~~In a theoretical head-to-head general-election matchup, Clinton leads Christie among registered voters, 53 percent to 41 percent. This is a far larger deficit than Republicans had in the popular vote in the past two presidential elections."

Say if after me...Madame President.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:49 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:

i wouldn't elect that moron president of my empty shampoo bottles.

Infernalist: Give me a name, then.

i have no idea.  any thoughts?  i'd LOVE a good female candidate.


I'm not the one saying she'd lose.

you are.

So, who the hell is going to beat her?  Just slap your face on the keyboard a few times and hit enter.
 
2014-01-30 02:45:22 PM  

BMulligan: Infernalist: This is what concerns me:

1) Her age.

Fun fact: if Hillary was elected in 2016 and served two full terms, she would be 76 upon leaving office. That's the same age as Golda Meir when she retired from office, and two years younger than John McCain would have been at the end of a second term had he won in 2008. It's a little old, but not unreasonably so. I work with a guy who's 73, and he's only just now starting to lose his ability to climb up and down 10 or 15 flights of stairs in a day.


To me, age would only be a factor if she picks a poor running mate.  There's definitely a possibility she could buy the farm while in office, and if she does there'd need to be a qualified replacement.  Clinton/Warren would be a good combo, thought I doubt they'd work well together.
 
2014-01-30 02:47:43 PM  

Infernalist: So, who the hell is going to beat her?


anyone.  pinkie pie.  patrick star.  she can't win.  she is un-electable.
 
2014-01-30 02:48:24 PM  

Stone Meadow: Mr_Fabulous: rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

This is a meme with staying power. I like it.

Let's make this happen. For the lulz.

It won't stick...she's a teetotaler.


Say what?

media.washingtonpost.com
 
2014-01-30 02:48:28 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:

i wouldn't elect that moron president of my empty shampoo bottles.


Of course not darling. You aren't very good this are you?

Don't give up, Rome wasn't derped in a day.....
 
2014-01-30 02:49:52 PM  

frepnog: Infernalist: So, who the hell is going to beat her?

anyone.  pinkie pie.  patrick star.  she can't win.  she is un-electable.


Give me a GOP name that can beat her.  Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.
 
2014-01-30 02:50:28 PM  

ScaryBottles: frepnog: ScaryBottles: Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:

i wouldn't elect that moron president of my empty shampoo bottles.

Of course not darling. You aren't very good this are you?

Don't give up, Rome wasn't derped in a day.....


wow.  hillary isn't going to sleep with you, dude.
 
2014-01-30 02:52:21 PM  

Infernalist: frepnog: Infernalist: So, who the hell is going to beat her?

anyone.  pinkie pie.  patrick star.  she can't win.  she is un-electable.

Give me a GOP name that can beat her.  Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.


ANYONE.  get it?  ANYONE CAN BEAT HER.  SHE IS UN-ELECTABLE.  SHE STANDS NO CHANCE.
 
2014-01-30 02:53:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: BravadoGT: Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.

I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?

You're taking someone who thought that Romney was going to win 315-223 seriously?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/11/barone-romne y- wins-handily-148289.html


No.  Again--I'm just asking if you look at those Gallup numbers and see something different?
 
2014-01-30 02:54:52 PM  

frepnog: Infernalist: frepnog: Infernalist: So, who the hell is going to beat her?

anyone.  pinkie pie.  patrick star.  she can't win.  she is un-electable.

Give me a GOP name that can beat her.  Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.

ANYONE.  get it?  ANYONE CAN BEAT HER.  SHE IS UN-ELECTABLE.  SHE STANDS NO CHANCE.


He's right, guys. She's almost as toxic as a black, first-term senator whose name sounds like he's some kind of Muslim terrorist. Y'all are dreaming.
 
2014-01-30 02:55:53 PM  

LandOfChocolate: Stone Meadow: Mr_Fabulous: rjakobi: "Ted Kennedy in a dress."

This is a meme with staying power. I like it.

Let's make this happen. For the lulz.

It won't stick...she's a teetotaler.

Say what?

[media.washingtonpost.com image 454x323]


Yeah, apparently she'll have a drink with the boys once in a while to show she can, but I think she is a rare drinker. A former squadron mate was her pilot as First Lady, and according to him she always requested, and got, 'no alcohol' flights with the 89th. In contrast, TK was a lush. That was my point. We're just having fun... :)
 
2014-01-30 02:57:34 PM  

BravadoGT: Mrtraveler01: BravadoGT: Stone Meadow: BravadoGT: Hillary's got an uphill battle.  As the latest numbers suggest, she can't assume she'd be favored to carry all the states Obama did.  Independents are not happy with the status quo, and policy-wise, she's really not a whole lot different than the way it is now.  "Same basic philosophy, only it'll be ME doing it this time!"  may not have the response she's hoping for...

Interesting position, but going with the Washington Examiner as your source? Come on, man...a right-wing, poo-flinging shill-rag having anything constructive to say about Hillary?

Read some polls...two-thirds of likely Democratic voters prefer her over all other Democrats, not to mention ANY Republican. The principal reason we see so many outright crazies running for the GOP nomination is that their internal polls show NONE of them able to beat here, and none of the establishment want to be known forever more as the guy who loses to her.

I thought Barone's reading of Gallup's numbers was relatively dispassionate.   Do you see something different in them?

You're taking someone who thought that Romney was going to win 315-223 seriously?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/charlie-mahtesian/2012/11/barone-romne y- wins-handily-148289.html

No.  Again--I'm just asking if you look at those Gallup numbers and see something different?


Yeah, I see someone who used the same methodology that predicted that Romney was going to beat Obama 315-223 back in 2012 and somehow still believe that he would be right this time around using the same exact methodology he used in the past to get his hilariously wrong prediction.

He relies on the flawed belief that because voters may be disapproved with Obama's handling of things, that means they'll automatically vote for the GOP regardless of the quality of the candidate. It was wrong in 2012 and it will probably be wrong again in 2016.
 
2014-01-30 02:58:21 PM  

frepnog: Infernalist: frepnog: Infernalist: So, who the hell is going to beat her?

anyone.  pinkie pie.  patrick star.  she can't win.  she is un-electable.

Give me a GOP name that can beat her.  Otherwise you're just pissing in the wind.

ANYONE.  get it?  ANYONE CAN BEAT HER.  SHE IS UN-ELECTABLE.  SHE STANDS NO CHANCE.



Okay...Santorum.

You are telling me, unequivocally, that Rick Santorum beats HRC in 2016.

Yes or no?
 
2014-01-30 02:59:04 PM  

BMulligan: He's right, guys. She's almost as toxic as a black, first-term senator whose name sounds like he's some kind of Muslim terrorist. Y'all are dreaming.


SHUT THE fark UP WITH YOUR RACIST NONSENSE.

I knew there was absolutely no way Obama could lose, and vastly preferred him to Bush.
 
2014-01-30 02:59:17 PM  
 
2014-01-30 03:00:21 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Okay...Santorum.

You are telling me, unequivocally, that Rick Santorum beats HRC in 2016.

Yes or no?


Santorum would never get the nod.

But yeah, he likely would.

farked up, aint it?
 
2014-01-30 03:02:13 PM  

frepnog: SHUT THE fark UP WITH YOUR RACIST NONSENSE.


Bless your heart.
 
2014-01-30 03:03:54 PM  

frepnog: Mr_Fabulous: Okay...Santorum.

You are telling me, unequivocally, that Rick Santorum beats HRC in 2016.

Yes or no?

Santorum would never get the nod.

But yeah, he likely would.

farked up, aint it?


If you think Santorum could beat her, you're brain damaged.
 
2014-01-30 03:06:52 PM  

Infernalist: frepnog: Mr_Fabulous: Okay...Santorum.

You are telling me, unequivocally, that Rick Santorum beats HRC in 2016.

Yes or no?

Santorum would never get the nod.

But yeah, he likely would.

farked up, aint it?

If you think Santorum could beat her, you're brain damaged.



Frankly, I'm surprised he didn't stop with the bolded part.

But either way, yeah... I'm not interested in pursuing this matter further.
 
2014-01-30 03:09:56 PM  

Infernalist: If you think Santorum could beat her, you're brain damaged.


if you think Hillary is electable, you are far worse than brain damaged.

is there seriously no decent democratic female out there that you farking morons actually want to pin a chance on HILLARY?

Is there ANYONE out there that TRULY thinks she stands a snowball's chance in hell?

I am telling you people, and you really ought to listen.

You want a republican president for certain next election, run hillary.

/cue the doctor.  "doesn't she look tired?"
 
2014-01-30 03:10:20 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: frepnog: ScaryBottles: Also, why do I get the impression when you say "good female candidate" you mean:

i wouldn't elect that moron president of my empty shampoo bottles.

Of course not darling. You aren't very good this are you?

Don't give up, Rome wasn't derped in a day.....

wow.  hillary isn't going to sleep with you, dude.


I never said who I favored for all you know I could just be some teabagger trolling you. No the reality is you are full shiat and I called you on it and now you're tossing out 5 year old cliches you cribbed from the derprepublic.

static3.fjcdn.com
 
2014-01-30 03:11:14 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: But either way, yeah... I'm not interested in pursuing this matter further.


tell me why you think hillary stands a chance.

don't quote polls.  less than meaningless.
 
2014-01-30 03:15:01 PM  

ScaryBottles: never said who I favored for all you know I could just be some teabagger trolling you. No the reality is you are full shiat and I called you on it and now you're tossing out 5 year old cliches you cribbed from the derprepublic.


saying that hillary is un-electable should not paint me as some republican that wants santorum as president and I am not really sure what the fark you people are on about.

I am telling you people that Hillary is un-electable as president.  if the dems nominate her and she runs, they are locking in a republican president, NO MATTER WHO THE GOP RUNS.

you people want your party in power, PICK AN ELECTABLE CANDIDATE.
 
2014-01-30 03:17:52 PM  
2 thoughts:

1) The primary is hers for the taking, and probably the general is too.

2) The ONLY option the GOP has right now is Rubio.  I think he can win against anyone else, but he's just too wet behind the ears to go toe to toe against Hillary on policy.
 
2014-01-30 03:18:19 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: never said who I favored for all you know I could just be some teabagger trolling you. No the reality is you are full shiat and I called you on it and now you're tossing out 5 year old cliches you cribbed from the derprepublic.

saying that hillary is un-electable should not paint me as some republican that wants santorum as president and I am not really sure what the fark you people are on about.

I am telling you people that Hillary is un-electable as president.  if the dems nominate her and she runs, they are locking in a republican president, NO MATTER WHO THE GOP RUNS.

you people want your party in power, PICK AN ELECTABLE CANDIDATE.


You seem extremely concerned.

Perhaps you could elucidate some of the reasons you believe Hillary Clinton is "un-electable as president".
 
2014-01-30 03:20:59 PM  

frepnog: Mr_Fabulous: But either way, yeah... I'm not interested in pursuing this matter further.

tell me why you think hillary stands a chance.

don't quote polls.  less than meaningless.


Thank you enlightening us all president Romney.

static2.fjcdn.com
 
2014-01-30 03:22:57 PM  
Probably been mentioned, but it doesn't matter what people think about an election 33 months away where all of the candidates have not been announced yet.

/(R)s continue to show they have no shot, so the (D) candidate watch is pretty important, but still
 
2014-01-30 03:23:30 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: never said who I favored for all you know I could just be some teabagger trolling you. No the reality is you are full shiat and I called you on it and now you're tossing out 5 year old cliches you cribbed from the derprepublic.

saying that hillary is un-electable should not paint me as some republican that wants santorum as president and I am not really sure what the fark you people are on about.

I am telling you people that Hillary is un-electable as president.  if the dems nominate her and she runs, they are locking in a republican president, NO MATTER WHO THE GOP RUNS.

you people want your party in power, PICK AN ELECTABLE CANDIDATE.


That didn't come across as hysterical or anything......
 
2014-01-30 03:32:42 PM  

qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.


I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

ScaryBottles: That didn't come across as hysterical or anything......


you want to see hysterical?  let them run her.  the democrats will be LOSING THEIR farkING MINDS when the GOP takes the election from her.
 
2014-01-30 03:33:56 PM  

ScaryBottles: Thank you enlightening us all president Romney.


lol.  you people are hilarious.
 
2014-01-30 03:35:16 PM  

frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.


Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?
 
2014-01-30 03:41:21 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: Thank you enlightening us all president Romney.

lol.  you people are hilarious.


Why because we're not dousing our trousers over the prospect of the GOP's bench. Maybe Yahoo News is a little more your speed.
 
2014-01-30 03:41:48 PM  

qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?


sigh.  because jesus.  0_o

look, nevermind.  you guys go ahead and run her.  remember this thread when she loses and you all are left holding the farking bag.
 
2014-01-30 03:42:35 PM  

qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?


Reasons and such as.
 
2014-01-30 03:42:45 PM  

ScaryBottles: Why because we're not dousing our trousers over the prospect of the GOP's bench


what the hell does that even mean?  is that english?
 
2014-01-30 03:44:29 PM  

frepnog: qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?

sigh.  because jesus.  0_o

look, nevermind.  you guys go ahead and run her.  remember this thread when she loses and you all are left holding the farking bag.


We'll all be sure to deeply apologize when President Santorum takes office.
 
2014-01-30 03:45:25 PM  

frepnog: qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?

sigh.  because jesus.  0_o

look, nevermind.  you guys go ahead and run her.  remember this thread when she loses and you all are left holding the farking bag.


You guys are gonna be so pissed.....
 
2014-01-30 03:45:31 PM  

BMulligan: qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?

Reasons and such as.


You forgot furthermore
 
2014-01-30 03:46:38 PM  

frepnog: qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?

sigh.  because jesus.  0_o

look, nevermind.  you guys go ahead and run her.  remember this thread when she loses and you all are left holding the farking bag.


One might conclude from this that you don't actually have any reasons as to why Hillary Clinton is "un-electable as president".

Do I think Hillary Clinton a 100% lock to win the primary or the general? No.
Do I think that there are superior Democratic candidates out there? Probably, though they have their own weaknesses.
Does that mean Hillary Clinton is, as per your assertion, entirely un-electable? Absolutely not.
 
2014-01-30 03:49:49 PM  

The New FDR -- 2020:


img.fark.net

 
2014-01-30 03:53:22 PM  
wow.  i know fark is a hive of liberal scum and villainy, but I would never have thought you people would stand behind Hillary.

There are surely better choices.  Leave Hillary in the past.
 
2014-01-30 04:00:37 PM  

frepnog: qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?

sigh.  because jesus.  0_o

look, nevermind.  you guys go ahead and run her.  remember this thread when she loses and you all are left holding the farking bag.


That sound you just heard was several Farkers book marking this page and setting the egg timer to November 2016.
 
2014-01-30 04:02:02 PM  

frepnog: wow.  i know fark is a hive of liberal scum and villainy, but I would never have thought you people would stand behind Hillary.

There are surely better choices.  Leave Hillary in the past.


i99.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-30 04:02:17 PM  

frepnog: There are surely better choices.


Such as?
 
2014-01-30 04:02:59 PM  

frepnog: wow.  i know fark is a hive of liberal scum and villainy, but I would never have thought you people would stand behind Hillary.

There are surely better choices.  Leave Hillary in the past.


Let's try this again.  Suggestions?
 
2014-01-30 04:03:10 PM  

frepnog: wow.  i know fark is a hive of liberal scum and villainy, but I would never have thought you people would stand behind Hillary.

There are surely better choices.  Leave Hillary in the past.


Listen. Either you can back up your assertion as to why Hillary is "un-electable as president", or you can't.

If it's the former, feel free to present the reasons you feel Hillary Clinton is "un-electable as president" and we can discuss those. If it's the latter, don't be surprised if people question your opinion (because that's what it is).

What you should definitely not expect is for people to blindly accept your word as complete truth.
 
2014-01-30 04:04:10 PM  

frepnog: qorkfiend: frepnog: qorkfiend: You seem extremely concerned.

I am.  I don't really want some republican shiat head in office simply because the dems ran hillary.

Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?

sigh.  because jesus.  0_o

look, nevermind.  you guys go ahead and run her.  remember this thread when she loses and you all are left holding the farking bag.


We heard this before. Something like the Fark servers will delete all the old threads when President Romney was elected...
 
2014-01-30 04:05:44 PM  

frepnog: ScaryBottles: Why because we're not dousing our trousers over the prospect of the GOP's bench

what the hell does that even mean?  is that english?


If anyone else in this thread thinks I was being vague or cryptic please speak up. See this is exactly what I meant about yahoo news. As much fun as this has been and believe me it was, I have more important things to do than troll you all day. So good luck, because if you're "right" then apparently we're all counting you.

www.boston.com
 
2014-01-30 04:13:46 PM  
Why is Clinton un-electable again?
 
2014-01-30 04:15:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Why is Clinton un-electable again?


Ask derpnog he'll be more than happy to tell you all about it.
 
2014-01-30 04:15:36 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Why is Clinton un-electable again?


He won't tell us for some reason.
 
2014-01-30 04:17:51 PM  
Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

I don't know about "unelectable", but Hillary's the least charismatic and empathetic-seeming politician of my lifetime.  There just doesn't seem to be an ounce of kindness about her, and I get no sense of strong intelligence about her either.

A really smart man assured me years ago that then-VP GHWBush was "unelectable", and we all know Hill was a lock for 2012, so I don't believe anything's assured.

I honestly don't much care about the perennial and just plain odd GOP vendetta against her; it's not germane.

She's a dour old conservative, and I'd prefer a liberal democrat.
 
2014-01-30 04:17:57 PM  
As for why I think she'll win, one of her biggest assets she has is that she's not a Republican.
 
2014-01-30 04:19:34 PM  

Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

I don't know about "unelectable", but Hillary's the least charismatic and empathetic-seeming politician of my lifetime.  There just doesn't seem to be an ounce of kindness about her, and I get no sense of strong intelligence about her either.

A really smart man assured me years ago that then-VP GHWBush was "unelectable", and we all know Hill was a lock for 2012, so I don't believe anything's assured.

I honestly don't much care about the perennial and just plain odd GOP vendetta against her; it's not germane.

She's a dour old conservative, and I'd prefer a liberal democrat.


I have to assume you're about 4 years old.

And you've never been exposed to a Republican in those 4 years.
 
2014-01-30 04:22:44 PM  
I gotta jump on the "Hillary isn't great" bandwagon. If the dems want to run a female candidate, they shoe uld run Warren; The fact is, though the republicans hate her, they hate Hillary more, and have done so for much, much longer. It feels like the entire republican party has had a mad-on for Hillary since her husband got elected, and it became even more fervent when she was running in the '08 primaries. If Hillary gets nominated, the republicans are going to wheel out the orbital shiatstorm cannon. Their attacks on Obama will look like playful name-calling in comparison. Warren though, is a relative unknown, and might well be the same kind of teflon-coated candidate that Obama was. Remember, the GOP couldn't get anything substantive to stick to him. They had to make shiat up, and even that didn't stick except in the case of a few fringe lunatics. Hillary would simply give the GOP the one target they've been aiming for for years.
 
2014-01-30 04:25:04 PM  

Secret Troll Alt: I gotta jump on the "Hillary isn't great" bandwagon. If the dems want to run a female candidate, they shoe uld run Warren; The fact is, though the republicans hate her, they hate Hillary more, and have done so for much, much longer. It feels like the entire republican party has had a mad-on for Hillary since her husband got elected, and it became even more fervent when she was running in the '08 primaries. If Hillary gets nominated, the republicans are going to wheel out the orbital shiatstorm cannon. Their attacks on Obama will look like playful name-calling in comparison. Warren though, is a relative unknown, and might well be the same kind of teflon-coated candidate that Obama was. Remember, the GOP couldn't get anything substantive to stick to him. They had to make shiat up, and even that didn't stick except in the case of a few fringe lunatics. Hillary would simply give the GOP the one target they've been aiming for for years.


That's pretty much the one reason I'm not enthused about Hillary. But given the choice between that and the GOP, I'd take Hilary every single time.
 
2014-01-30 04:27:00 PM  

frepnog: wow.  i know fark is a hive of liberal scum and villainy, but I would never have thought you people would stand behind Hillary.

There are surely better choices.  Leave Hillary in the past.


You're confusing "standing behind Hillary" with acknowledging the fact that there is no one else.  I'm not crazy about Hillary.  I'm not a fan of political dynasties and  the level of visceral hate she inspires in Republicans is matched only by Obama, and another four years at least of Republican obstructionism just makes me sick to my farking stomach.

But there is no one else.  Hillary will be well-funded, organized, and if she stays disciplined and avoids any "snipergate" type of gaffes, the nomination is hers to lose.

The issue here is that compared to Ted Cruz, Chris Christie or Rand Paul, Hillary Clinton is Mother farking Theresa.  Us de facto Democrats (people who vote Democrat out of self-preservation rather than conviction) is that we are intrinsically practical in the way we vote, and Hillary annoys me but doesn't scare the shiat out of me like Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

The issue is that neither party has a more viable candidate, and that in itself is depressing as shiat.
 
2014-01-30 04:27:47 PM  

frepnog: people HATE obamacare


Is this the best you can do? It's so easily disproved.

I kinda hope you're trolling because people who are as ignorant as you make yourself out to be make me depressed.
 
2014-01-30 04:28:15 PM  
Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.
 
2014-01-30 04:33:54 PM  

Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.


Pretty sure he's just a troll.  No sane person could sincerely believe that Santorum could beat Hillary.
 
2014-01-30 04:36:49 PM  

patrick767: The GOP numbers offer more proof that their batshiat crazy members aren't on the fringe. They're the mainstream of the party now:

• Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%


I see this as the most beneficial news for Democrats in the story. The competition continues to demonstrate that they are complete whack jobs. Worse for the Rs is, I don't see them making any corrective moves. There was that post-election "we've got to get back to reality" moment from the party bosses but it was quickly shoved aside by the derp brigade. This bunch seems hell-bent on self destruction.

/imokwiththat.jpg
 
2014-01-30 04:37:02 PM  

Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)


Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.
 
2014-01-30 04:38:41 PM  
she's got cankles.

that is all.
 
2014-01-30 04:38:42 PM  

ScaryBottles: Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.


And I'm fairly certain that Obama's support in 2016 was the price for Hillary bowing out of the nomination race in 2008.
 
2014-01-30 04:42:10 PM  

ScaryBottles: Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.


It's my gut.  I'm borrowing the technique from Colbert.

Seriously, though, the only real negative against him was a bad campaign where got he caught plagiarizing.  And the reputation as a goof, which he repeatedly disproves with his substance.  But he doesn't seem ambitious enough any more.  "Is Joe Biden Too Happy To Run For President?"

/practicing my Time Magazine cover writing
 
2014-01-30 04:43:03 PM  

colon_pow: she's got cankles.

that is all.


And you wonder why no one likes you.
 
2014-01-30 04:50:41 PM  
I'd vote for Joe Biden.  Why?  Pretty much because I enjoy it when he doesn't think and shoots his mouth off.  It's kind of a refreshing thing to see in politics.  He doesn't take the time to weigh his words, he doesn't talk from behind a freaking curtain and you need to toss the damned runed chicken bones to divine what it is he's actually saying and an augury to tell what he's going to do.  With Uncle Joe Biden, if it's a big farking deal, Joe's gonna tell you it's a big farking deal.

Well, that and I like how he mauled and cannibalized Paul Ryan on live TV during that debate.
 
2014-01-30 05:00:24 PM  

ScaryBottles: colon_pow: she's got cankles.

that is all.

And you wonder why no one likes you.


i just call it like i see it.
 
2014-01-30 05:03:30 PM  

Infernalist: ScaryBottles: Far Cough: Biden/Warren or Warren/Biden, one or the other, please.  I hope Joe gets serious about running; it's his for the taking.  (I'm still not sure why conventional wisdom treats him as a joke.)

Oh really I guess I was confused because the numbers say something different.

And I'm fairly certain that Obama's support in 2016 was the price for Hillary bowing out of the nomination race in 2008.


LOL! She fought bloody and dirty until the bitter end.
 
2014-01-30 05:07:13 PM  

Infernalist: And I'm fairly certain that Obama's support in 2016 was the price for Hillary bowing out of the nomination race in 2008.


I guess you missed the whole part where it became mathematically impossible for her to win.
 
2014-01-30 05:35:18 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: The New FDR -- 2020:


there is literally zero chance.
 
2014-01-30 05:38:03 PM  

Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.


I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.
 
2014-01-30 05:45:07 PM  
Please let that dark horse be Brian Schweitzer.
 
2014-01-30 05:53:44 PM  

Aldon: It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.


Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.
 
2014-01-30 06:15:14 PM  

colon_pow: ScaryBottles: colon_pow: she's got cankles.

that is all.

And you wonder why no one likes you.

i just call it like i see it.


And when you get shiat for it, you blame it on those mean liberals who can't understand your 19th/20th century world.
 
2014-01-30 06:52:08 PM  

rjakobi: Because People in power are Stupid: Right wing news spinners  have been waging a war against Hillary since Whitewater. It was a dirty trick therefore to do the old bait and switch in 2008. All I heard prior to the presidential nomination from right wing idiots was how Hillary was this and Hillary was that.

They had to change their whole message when Obama was nominated.

Yeah, but to be fair, Hillary started it with her "right-wing conspiracy" spiel, and now she thinks of herself as a consummate "peacemaker" whilst her devoted "Hillaryites" gush on the TVs saying she is "destined" to be president because apparently she bought off Washington in 1999 and has a "reservation" but in actuality she's slowly becoming "Ted Kennedy in a dress."


If they wanted to see Ted Kennedy in a dress, just show up to the Senate offices on Friday night. That man knew how to party.
 
2014-01-30 07:06:33 PM  

TelemonianAjax: Aldon: It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.

Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.


I like that. Can I use it?
 
2014-01-30 07:13:39 PM  

frepnog: But yeah, he likely would.


I've read a lot of incorrect things on Fark in the last eight years, but this, by far, is the most incorrect.
 
2014-01-30 07:17:53 PM  

Aldon: TelemonianAjax: Aldon: It's kinda funny how Hillary is not a safe bet for the nom, but the Republican nom has always been the establishment candidate apparent at least a year before the voting starts.

/at least this has been the case during my lifetime.

Democrats fall in love.
Republicans fall in line.

I like that. Can I use it?


grumpycat.jpg


Naw, I didn't even coin it. Got it from...Fark, I think? Maybe West Wing? or www.CapitolFax.com. Great comments section there.

The more you think about it the more it rings true.
 
2014-01-30 07:27:05 PM  

Enough_Already: Wow.  So Shrillary is ahead of numbnutz by 61 points?  In other news, the sidewalk in front of my house is ahead of numbnutz by 55 points.

Being ahead of the intellectually-challenged veep is nothing to boast about or be proud of.  Hopefully the old bag is doing neither.


th04.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-30 08:24:41 PM  

Jupiter's Thunder: [themellowjihadi.com image 640x405]

The time has come, and everyone wants a pony anyway.


He's their best candidate this time around sadly .
 
x23
2014-01-31 01:05:28 AM  

qorkfiend: Sure. Now, how about those reasons as to why she's "un-electable as president"?


she personally gunned down Vince Foster and dumped his body in a park. staging it as a supposed "suicide".

study it out.
 
2014-01-31 03:37:47 AM  

zoompow: • Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I see this as the most beneficial news for Democrats in the story. The competition continues to demonstrate that they are complete whack jobs. Worse for the Rs is, I don't see them making any corrective moves. There was that post-election "we've got to get back to reality" moment from the party bosses but it was quickly shoved aside by the derp brigade. This bunch seems hell-bent on self destruction.


It's like mental disorder really.  You have a brief moment of clarity and know what you need to do to get your shiat in order and your life back on track, and then you go right back to the same self-destructive patterns because they're easier in the short-term.

/Also it's disturbing that nearly 20% of them would cheerfully vote for another Bush, after the resounding successes of the first two.  Jesus H Christ.
//Also also I wonder what the overlap is on the 12% for the Cuban Canadian and people who think Obama's birth certificate is fake
 
2014-01-31 05:23:01 AM  
I think a presidency with Hillary would be one scandal after another.  She owes an enormous number of people from the last 21 years, and she'd have to work overtime to pay them back.  Give me a relative newcomer who doesn't have a lot of debts to pay, like Obama.

How about Mike Beebe?   Don't know much about him, but he's amazingly popular.  I suspect he'd win the national election in a rout.
 
2014-01-31 10:58:34 AM  

anfrind: Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.

I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.


Indeed.  He also went mildly insane when people dared question the untouchable genius of Katy Perry's talent.  I'm not exaggerating.  Troll or odd duck; I vote the latter.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8117265/Lady-Gaga-thanks-Carole-King-fo r- her-music-Carole-King-immediately-thanks-Lady-Gaga-for-not-choosing-to -cover-any-of-her-songs
 
2014-01-31 12:21:11 PM  

DemonEater: zoompow: • Paul Ryan 20%
• Jeb Bush 18%
• Chris Christie 13%
• Ted Cruz 12%
• Marco Rubio 10%
• Rand Paul 11%

I see this as the most beneficial news for Democrats in the story. The competition continues to demonstrate that they are complete whack jobs. Worse for the Rs is, I don't see them making any corrective moves. There was that post-election "we've got to get back to reality" moment from the party bosses but it was quickly shoved aside by the derp brigade. This bunch seems hell-bent on self destruction.

It's like mental disorder really.  You have a brief moment of clarity and know what you need to do to get your shiat in order and your life back on track, and then you go right back to the same self-destructive patterns because they're easier in the short-term.

/Also it's disturbing that nearly 20% of them would cheerfully vote for another Bush, after the resounding successes of the first two.  Jesus H Christ.
//Also also I wonder what the overlap is on the 12% for the Cuban Canadian and people who think Obama's birth certificate is fake


Yeah...true dat. In fact, there was an interesting article over on The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/could-george-w-bush -b e-the-last-republican-president.html) wherein conservative pundit Myra Adams dissects why Dubya might be the last GOP president. Lots of self-serving derp in the article, of course, but she more or less correctly, if only by accident, pinpoints why the GOP can't win on the national stage. The mental midgets we see on the GOP likely list are merely the symptom of the disease, and not the cause, but as a life-long Democrat, I'll take it.
 
2014-01-31 01:25:42 PM  

Far Cough: anfrind: Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.

I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.

Indeed.  He also went mildly insane when people dared question the untouchable genius of Katy Perry's talent.  I'm not exaggerating.  Troll or odd duck; I vote the latter.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8117265/Lady-Gaga-thanks-Carole-King-fo r- her-music-Carole-King-immediately-thanks-Lady-Gaga-for-not-choosing-to -cover-any-of-her-songs


I just love you guys.  This is why I hang out on Fark.  THIS RIGHT HERE.  Because only on Fark an incredibly talented, beautiful pop artist that has a number one hit record only rivaled by MICHAEL farkING JACKSON is a useless no-talent flash in the pan, and an old bitty with terrible politics, a terrible person life, and more skeletons in the closet than John Wayne Gacy is the best choice for PRESIDENT.

Seriously.  I love you guys.

Oh - and I am not a truther.  Not at all.
 
2014-01-31 04:51:39 PM  

frepnog: Far Cough: anfrind: Zafler: Ok, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't frepnog a truther? Or was that someone with a similar name I remember from those threads?

/it's driving me nuts, usually I can match up posters better.

I don't remember that far back in Fark history, but he does seem to get worked up over the weirdest things.  The one that sticks out in my mind was one time when he got upset about old pictures of hot women, almost as if he thought admiring photos of e.g. Bettie Page in her prime was some kind of necrophilia.

Indeed.  He also went mildly insane when people dared question the untouchable genius of Katy Perry's talent.  I'm not exaggerating.  Troll or odd duck; I vote the latter.

http://www.fark.com/comments/8117265/Lady-Gaga-thanks-Carole-King-fo r- her-music-Carole-King-immediately-thanks-Lady-Gaga-for-not-choosing-to -cover-any-of-her-songs

I just love you guys.  This is why I hang out on Fark.  THIS RIGHT HERE.  Because only on Fark an incredibly talented, beautiful pop artist that has a number one hit record only rivaled by MICHAEL farkING JACKSON is a useless no-talent flash in the pan, and an old bitty with terrible politics, a terrible person life, and more skeletons in the closet than John Wayne Gacy is the best choice for PRESIDENT.

Seriously.  I love you guys.

Oh - and I am not a truther.  Not at all.


Take a stress pill and think things over.
 
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