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2014-01-30 12:48:59 PM  
5 votes:
And this is exactly why race relations suck in this country and people feel that the black community doesn't want to deal with epidemic of crime being perpetrated by young black males.

Seriously, these are educated black organizations and they are essentially putting their  feelings ahead of public safety.  And to be clear, we aren't talking about stop and frisks absent probable cause, we are talking about one of the top 5 descriptive factors you can give about someone  after a crime has been committed......sex...color...age...body description...clothing.

I don't know the answer to the volume of crime being perpetrated by young black males, but pretending like it doesn't happen is not the answer.

I know people aren't going to like the word "epidemic" or "volume of crime", but if you look at crime stats, there is a disproportionate amount of crime committed by that demographic compared to their percentage of the overall population.
2014-01-30 02:02:22 PM  
4 votes:
Myself, if I was black and living in the USA I`d be really fed up with not just being called `American`
2014-01-30 12:41:05 PM  
4 votes:
This sort of thing pisses me off so much. Yeah, we should literally put people in more danger for the sake of political correctness. Fark off.
2014-01-30 12:37:32 PM  
4 votes:
I go to this school. We've had a litany of emailed public safety alerts from the Campus PD after a streak of robberies last month, and almost every single robbery involved black perps.

Clearly what this represents is a monopolization of petty crime by blacks, in the same way blacks have dominated athletics and the entertainment industry, to the detriment of other ethnic groups, for example the Hmong, that live in the metro area.  Perhaps we can have some sort of car sharing program for small time crooks to bring in Hmong from St. Paul, or perhaps some sort of criminal exchange program and bus in poor white meth heads from the country to help with the hold ups.
2014-01-30 12:24:48 PM  
4 votes:
Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.
2014-01-30 01:52:21 PM  
3 votes:
You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer
2014-01-30 12:42:30 PM  
3 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.


Have you gotten your letter yet about your role in the death of those two black men from West Virginia who were shot by the old white guy? You know, because you're white.


No but I don't remember reading about white groups sending a letter written to the local police authority biatching about reporting that the guy was white.
2014-01-30 12:31:42 PM  
3 votes:
So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.
2014-01-30 12:25:27 PM  
3 votes:
The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the African American and African Studies, Black Faculty and Staff Association, Black Graduate and Professional Student Association, Black Men's Forum, Black Student Union and Huntley House for African American Males.

Man, that's a lot of associations.  Do they each handle differing aspects of the negro experience?  Or is there some overlapping?  Should one belong to all, or can you get away with just dipping your toe in one or two of the organizations?

Can I join any if I am Irish?  Black Irish?
2014-01-30 12:21:13 PM  
3 votes:

Dimensio: Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]

I suspect that image would be considered offensive to student sensibilities. The picture of the firearm may cause unwarranted fear.


Not to mention it portrays and unrealistic standard of thinness.
2014-01-30 01:26:28 PM  
2 votes:

Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well


Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.
2014-01-30 01:00:23 PM  
2 votes:
"The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."

Well, Taylor, then encourage your black, black, black colleagues to stop, you know, committing crimes.
2014-01-30 12:46:06 PM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.


Name one incident.


/I'll wait


Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, but here's a couple:

One
Two
2014-01-30 12:41:35 PM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: You can't take identifying characteristics out of the police report. But "he's black" should not be probable cause to make someone a suspect.


QFT

If we could get that simple standard done correctly, it would eliminate 90% of police misconduct.
2014-01-30 12:37:33 PM  
2 votes:

Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.


If some white guy robs one of these groups' meetings at gunpoint, will they mention the color of his skin to police?
2014-01-30 12:37:06 PM  
2 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: You can't take identifying characteristics out of the police report. But "he's black" should not be probable cause to make someone a suspect.


absolutely agree,  it is unclear if that is the motivation here, though there is mention of the student wrongfully (mistakenly?) suspected.
2014-01-30 12:35:38 PM  
2 votes:

Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.


I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.
2014-01-30 12:31:49 PM  
2 votes:

Mell of a Hess: The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the African American and African Studies, Black Faculty and Staff Association, Black Graduate and Professional Student Association, Black Men's Forum, Black Student Union and Huntley House for African American Males.


The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the European American and European Studies, White Faculty and Staff Association, White Graduate and Professional Student Association, White Men's Forum, White Student Union and Huntley House for European American Males.
2014-01-30 12:26:08 PM  
2 votes:
FTA: "...University of Minnesota Police wrongfully identified a student as the suspect."


You cannot wrongfully identify someone as a suspect.  You can wrongfully identify a perpetrator, not a suspect.
2014-01-30 12:23:01 PM  
2 votes:
The organizations wrote that while campus safety is crucial, the profiling can be devastating for black male students.

Also devastating: getting robbed on the way to class.   Sack up, black male students.
2014-01-31 12:34:25 AM  
1 vote:
If you're tired of being threatened when you see "Black" in a crime description...then...let's see...

..maybe tell your hoodrats to stop committing all the crimes?
2014-01-30 06:54:00 PM  
1 vote:

lennavan: WhyKnot: did you even look at the links, or read the language that I provided?

The judge instructed the jury that he had the right to "stand his ground."  There is absolutely no link in the world that can possibly counter that.  She actually used the phrase "stand his ground."  She actually instructed the jury to consider that.

You crazy.

WhyKnot: if we are going to play the semantics game...the actual phrase "stand YOUR ground" doesn't appear, so SYG had nothing to do with it.

This is what your argument is reduced to.  The judge said "stand HIS ground" and now you're arguing she used HIS instead of YOUR.

lol


Look dude, you are playing semantics...SYG as is commonly referred is an affirmative defense in certain jurisdictions (including Florida), it was not employed in the Zimmerman trial.  His defense was a pure self-defense claim.   the common law instruction, includes the language "stand his ground",  I am not denying that...but SYG as is commonly understood HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRIAL OR HIS DEFENSE.

If you don't understand that concept, I am sorry, but that is the truth.
2014-01-30 04:20:50 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation


Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.  The fact that people believed that he should be tried had nothing to do with the facts.  It had to do with an emotional reaction that was fanned by public figureheads to further an agenda.  Forcing a miscarriage of justice because you feel that something isn't right is immoral and unethical, depending on your position.

This is the same thing.  Asking to cover the racial identity of suspects because someones feelings are being hurt is preposterous.  There's a reason that descriptions of criminals are detailed.  It helps you catch the criminal.  If the fact is that there is a disproportionate number of one genetic makeup making it into the headlines, its not because its being reported in a skewed manner.  It's not malicious, it's facts.
2014-01-30 03:31:20 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.


I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.
2014-01-30 03:04:46 PM  
1 vote:

WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...

Hey DRO...I know you are responding to other dude, so I am sort of twisting your words here...but this article is exactly why people feel the black community doesn't take crime committed by blacks as serious as they should.    Now that we have interacted several times (a lot lately it seems), i watch your comments and I understand the point you are trying to make, I know you aren't saying that the black community doesn't care..because I know you do and have pointed out multiple times in other threats that there are many more factors associated with crime in urban areas that simply "black people commit crime".


Even these misguided groups in the article care about people being robbed and hurt. They don't want black criminals to go free! They only want to give want INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE the freedom to walk to and from class without being viewed as suspects for no other reason than they share the perps skin color. I don't think their proposal is that well thought out, but they're obviously grasping for a solution to a problem that no one has bene able to solve. They just want to be left the fark alone. They're not against the police or justice. They're fighting for their 4th amendment rights. If you don;t like the proposal because its flawed, thats cool. But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.
2014-01-30 02:50:13 PM  
1 vote:
So basically they're trying to keep the heat off their homies thus enabling said homies to commit further crimes. Coverin' for the bruthas.

"Black, black, black suspect" sounds like a line from a rap song.
2014-01-30 02:38:02 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer


Why haven't you stepped up to speak out against rape? less rapes would happen if clowns like you would just stand up and say, "I don't like rape".

I don't know anyone who *does* rape. If I did know of one, I'd speak out to the police. The whole chocolate omerta thing that's going on in parts of the African-American community isn't doing anyone any favors and increases the number of crime sprees that are associated with black suspects.


But, you assume that I know criminals because i am African-American. But don't they dare call you racist. Whats not doing anyone any favors are dinosaurs like you who still take needed oxygen from intelligent beings who are interested in living together without stupidity, like bigotry.

No, I'm not making that assumption. I didn't even  know you were black.


You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...


Well, I'm not seeing any other communities where a major movement has coalesced in order to  keep people from talking to police about crimes in an age when  large percentages of violent and deadly crimes  go unsolved.

I'm also not seeing any other communities with bodies composed of that community's members suggesting that an essential piece of information be omitted from suspect descriptions in order to cover their own asses. 

I'm tired of hearing about African-Americans (particularly young males, like myself) dying in the streets on the news. This isn't helping; it's hurting.
2014-01-30 02:28:21 PM  
1 vote:
He should be pardoned for submitting so many Fark links. That guy is dedicated.
2014-01-30 02:14:40 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: But, you assume that I know criminals because i am African-American.


His initial post wasn't directed to you.  Where the fark did you pick up he was accusing you or all black people of knowing criminals?  I think you're searching for something to be upset about here.

DROxINxTHExWIND: And he knows this from all of the time he spends pretending to be a Marine in the ghetto.


Kinda like this post.  I'm not sure if you live in the ghetto yourself and would know better or not.  Do you?  Otherwise who are you to overrule him?  Where I live, outside of the ghetto, we have newspapers and stuff where we can read about other areas of the world.  For instance, I have at least some idea of what's going on in Georgia right now, even though I live in Illinois.
2014-01-30 02:12:20 PM  
1 vote:

dready zim: Myself, if I was black and living in the USA I`d be really fed up with not just being called `American`


I've never understood this with any ethnic group.  The only reason to classify yourself differently is if you want to be treated differently.  If you insist on special treatment, some people will inevitably resent it.  Human nature.
2014-01-30 01:57:04 PM  
1 vote:

Banned on the Run: Question:  Do Canadian universities have African Canadian Studies programs?



Did Canadians have Jim Crow laws?
2014-01-30 01:55:42 PM  
1 vote:

Marine1: You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer



Why haven't you stepped up to speak out against rape? less rapes would happen if clowns like you would just stand up and say, "I don't like rape".
2014-01-30 01:54:13 PM  
1 vote:
Question:  Do Canadian universities have African Canadian Studies programs?
2014-01-30 01:48:00 PM  
1 vote:
I didn't RTFA, but I'mma comment anyway, especially since I've already made my joke post.

I get why people wouldn't want race in a generic description like, "black male, 5'8" to 5'11" tall, medium build." Because, seriously, that that could be anyone.

But if the race is part of a specific description, "Black male, 5'9" tall, earring in left ear, mustache, purple shirt, blue jeans, white sneakers, driving a yellow Geo Metro, etc." That's useful.
2014-01-30 01:46:38 PM  
1 vote:
No human is really black. Maybe they could use a color chart, like they have with paint, and just call out the number.
2014-01-30 01:21:40 PM  
1 vote:

jwookie: Can we go back to calling them Moors.


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IT'S MOOPS!
2014-01-30 01:06:55 PM  
1 vote:
Best to just assume that all black people are wanted criminals. Call police if you see one, and stay indoors, dead-bolting all main entrances and exits. If you have children, and see a black person, restrain those children by any means necessary until the threat has passed and the area is fully white again. If needed, dying one's face to appear 'black' can be a healthy strategy, as seen in the historical film "Black Like Me". Many white people, however, are unaware of the differing lip dimensions which may throw off the illusion. Be sure to use phrases such as "Howdy!", and "Wassup?". Walk with a dance-like gait, and pretend that you know the black guy on the evening news, who ever that is now. Do not act racist! Rent the movie "Blacula" for further understanding.
2014-01-30 01:00:36 PM  
1 vote:
Whites are now minorities in California. I'm guessing we won't see a "White Student Union" any time soon. Majority students only I guess
2014-01-30 12:46:14 PM  
1 vote:
Later this year, the university lawyers will be met by someone how claims to represent the "Hatless Student Minority." "Just because they cannot afford or perhaps chose to not wear hats, should these students be subject to increase scrutiny by the local law enforcement? I would like to think that we live in a society where the choice of head covering or choosing no head covering whatsoever has no bearing on a student or their propensity to commit crimes." The university lawyers will beat this guy senseless and leave him in the recycle barrel with those sticky empty plastic soda bottles that are going right in to the landfill anyways. We know it. Claude, the Janitor told us "It all goes in to the dumpster". And he should know.

Later that night, some hatless person will commit a crime and the hatted community will flood the social media with comments like "Another Hatless crime. When will it end? When we get rid of the hatless. that's when." "Oh look. A crime and there's no hat. What a surprise!"

And then they'll come for the hatless and I'll say nothing. Because I have this awesome fedora that I perch just so on my unhatless head. Haul them off to Hatlessvania, I says.
2014-01-30 12:42:10 PM  
1 vote:
I got some little friends who are 3/4 of more latterly African descent and 1/4 Irish.  While I strongly doubt that they would ever arouse police interest, sussing their ethnicity at a glance would probably be difficult.  What if our perp is a native Strine?  Some people from India are in no way melanin-deficient yet are classified, classically, as Caucasian.  This innovation would be desirable to me, were I the authorities, as race is a completely unscientific idea.  No one has developed a convenient, portable race-ometer.

//Can't we just say
//'dusky?'
2014-01-30 12:42:07 PM  
1 vote:

Boo_Guy: [img.fark.net image 750x600]

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun


Hey, isn't that biased against those who wear tin foil hats and believe that some people are actually reptiles in disguise?
2014-01-30 12:37:18 PM  
1 vote:

Brick-House: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.

No, we got it, we just didn't want to point that out for fear ov being labled a racists.

As for you pointing it out...

[i758.photobucket.com image 265x236]



It must be nice when your worst fear regarding racism is that someone may call you a name on the internet. You all should start a support group.
2014-01-30 12:35:35 PM  
1 vote:
2.bp.blogspot.com
2014-01-30 12:35:20 PM  
1 vote:
I'm as bleeding-heart liberal as liberal can be liberal and I think this is absolute nonsense.

/But, I'm white, so there is that.
2014-01-30 12:35:09 PM  
1 vote:
You can't take identifying characteristics out of the police report. But "he's black" should not be probable cause to make someone a suspect.
2014-01-30 12:33:47 PM  
1 vote:
Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.
2014-01-30 12:33:15 PM  
1 vote:
img.fark.net

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun
2014-01-30 12:32:36 PM  
1 vote:

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.


No, we got it, we just didn't want to point that out for fear ov being labled a racists.

As for you pointing it out...

i758.photobucket.com
2014-01-30 12:31:42 PM  
1 vote:
i406.photobucket.com
2014-01-30 12:25:56 PM  
1 vote:
The suspect is dark complected and has masculine hetero-normative traits.
2014-01-30 12:23:23 PM  
1 vote:
"[We] unanimously agree that campus safety should be of the UMPD's utmost importance; however, efforts to reduce crime should never be at the expense of our Black men

So safety should be of the second most importance, right behind not offending black men.

The organizations wrote that while campus safety is crucial, the profiling can be devastating for black male students.

Why aren't you taking issue with saying male/female then too?  Aren't you tired of men taking the majority of the flack in rapes?
2014-01-30 12:09:43 PM  
1 vote:

Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]


I suspect that image would be considered offensive to student sensibilities. The picture of the firearm may cause unwarranted fear.
2014-01-30 11:24:34 AM  
1 vote:
Artists rendering of the suspect?


i1123.photobucket.com
 
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