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2014-01-30 02:22:41 PM  
Was he wearing a hat?
 
2014-01-30 02:22:45 PM  

Marine1: radarlove: Marine1: /"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer

Lotta folks feel the same way about the militarized police force.  Hence why they've stopped snitching.

It was like this long before cops started patrolling in BDUs and surplus military vehicles.


Yeah but now poor white folks won't talk to the cops, either.  Parents raise their kids now to not talk to the cops and to never call them unless it is a life or death emergency.  So whereas before at least you had white victims reporting crime and getting recidivists locked up now nobody does.  Free reign in Gotham!

Marine1: At some point, the bargain has to be made with the police to trust them with information to solve crimes.


At some point, maybe.  But people are beginning to feel that that point no longer extends to things like theft, robbery, drug sales, rape, assault...pretty much the only "point" that a lot of people are willing to let things get to before they'll call the cops is murder, and even then a lot of times that goes unreported.  Why report it if the cops are just going to kill everyone else in the house?

Marine1: Crime is now more of an immediate plague on minority communities than police brutality.


The way that sentence is worded implies that police brutality used to be a more immediate plague than crime.  I hate to admit that things have gotten this bad, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with the sentence completely.
 
2014-01-30 02:22:51 PM  

Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer


Why haven't you stepped up to speak out against rape? less rapes would happen if clowns like you would just stand up and say, "I don't like rape".

I don't know anyone who *does* rape. If I did know of one, I'd speak out to the police. The whole chocolate omerta thing that's going on in parts of the African-American community isn't doing anyone any favors and increases the number of crime sprees that are associated with black suspects.


But, you assume that I know criminals because i am African-American. But don't they dare call you racist. Whats not doing anyone any favors are dinosaurs like you who still take needed oxygen from intelligent beings who are interested in living together without stupidity, like bigotry.

No, I'm not making that assumption. I didn't even  know you were black.



You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong to intepret your comment the way that I did.
 
2014-01-30 02:23:06 PM  
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www.blogcdn.com
 
2014-01-30 02:28:21 PM  
He should be pardoned for submitting so many Fark links. That guy is dedicated.
 
2014-01-30 02:28:32 PM  

Arkanaut: WhyKnot: Arkanaut: WhyKnot: Arkanaut: Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well

Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.

they may have said "racial identifications", but they mean skin color...

FTFA:   "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."

Seems like a wording issue IMO.  If you call someone "black", that implies "African-American", and could refer to a range of skin colors from Halle Berry to Manute Bol.  It also lessens the suspicion on other races, such as East Indians or Pacific Islanders, who may have dark skin but are not usually described as "black".

I get your point...but then I think racial identification is more important than simply skin-tone...although different ethnic groups may be of similar pigmentation...facial features typically will give it away...as such, racial identification then matters when trying to properly identify someone.

Maybe, when such details are clear.  But even then there's a wide range of facial features for any given race category, such that highlighting those features is more important than just the race itself.


I absolutely agree...but as race makes up some a large piece of describing someone, race should absolutely be used, but of course other distinguishing features should be identified as well.     The idea in a crime alert should never be about implying anything about a segment of society, they should be about identify an individual (white, black, asian, hispanic) that poses a risk to society, thus that individual should be described as best he/she can be described.
 
2014-01-30 02:30:31 PM  
Well aren't they allowing people to carry guns on campus not? Just shoot anyone you think looks out of place, you'll get the right guy eventually.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:01 PM  

WhyKnot: I absolutely agree...but as race makes up some a large piece of describing someone, race should absolutely be used, but of course other distinguishing features should be identified as well.


Only Sith deal in absolutes.
 
2014-01-30 02:38:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer


Why haven't you stepped up to speak out against rape? less rapes would happen if clowns like you would just stand up and say, "I don't like rape".

I don't know anyone who *does* rape. If I did know of one, I'd speak out to the police. The whole chocolate omerta thing that's going on in parts of the African-American community isn't doing anyone any favors and increases the number of crime sprees that are associated with black suspects.


But, you assume that I know criminals because i am African-American. But don't they dare call you racist. Whats not doing anyone any favors are dinosaurs like you who still take needed oxygen from intelligent beings who are interested in living together without stupidity, like bigotry.

No, I'm not making that assumption. I didn't even  know you were black.


You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...


Well, I'm not seeing any other communities where a major movement has coalesced in order to  keep people from talking to police about crimes in an age when  large percentages of violent and deadly crimes  go unsolved.

I'm also not seeing any other communities with bodies composed of that community's members suggesting that an essential piece of information be omitted from suspect descriptions in order to cover their own asses. 

I'm tired of hearing about African-Americans (particularly young males, like myself) dying in the streets on the news. This isn't helping; it's hurting.
 
2014-01-30 02:39:48 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:

You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...

Hey DRO...I know you are responding to other dude, so I am sort of twisting your words here...but this article is exactly why people feel the black community doesn't take crime committed by blacks as serious as they should.    Now that we have interacted several times (a lot lately it seems), i watch your comments and I understand the point you are trying to make, I know you aren't saying that the black community doesn't care..because I know you do and have pointed out multiple times in other threats that there are many more factors associated with crime in urban areas that simply "black people commit crime".
 
2014-01-30 02:41:21 PM  

Arkanaut: WhyKnot: I absolutely agree...but as race makes up some a large piece of describing someone, race should absolutely be used, but of course other distinguishing features should be identified as well.

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

 
2014-01-30 02:47:13 PM  
How would you describe these actors?
 
2014-01-30 02:48:20 PM  

vudukungfu: How would you describe these actors?


Cartoons.
 
2014-01-30 02:50:13 PM  
So basically they're trying to keep the heat off their homies thus enabling said homies to commit further crimes. Coverin' for the bruthas.

"Black, black, black suspect" sounds like a line from a rap song.
 
2014-01-30 02:52:54 PM  
And when you're done with that, could you please speak for your entire race regardless of region or subculture by responding to MY unfounded implication?
 
2014-01-30 03:00:20 PM  

Crewmannumber6: They'll find a way around it (relevant info at 3:20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQNM2Wl86E


I was listening to the police scanner yesterday (no good reason other than I saw it was available online) and the dispatcher reported two suspicious (pause) no description males going behind some building.  I was thinking can't they just say 'canadian'?  Then I figured given the area he's probably 'not canadian'.
 
2014-01-30 03:04:46 PM  

WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...

Hey DRO...I know you are responding to other dude, so I am sort of twisting your words here...but this article is exactly why people feel the black community doesn't take crime committed by blacks as serious as they should.    Now that we have interacted several times (a lot lately it seems), i watch your comments and I understand the point you are trying to make, I know you aren't saying that the black community doesn't care..because I know you do and have pointed out multiple times in other threats that there are many more factors associated with crime in urban areas that simply "black people commit crime".


Even these misguided groups in the article care about people being robbed and hurt. They don't want black criminals to go free! They only want to give want INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE the freedom to walk to and from class without being viewed as suspects for no other reason than they share the perps skin color. I don't think their proposal is that well thought out, but they're obviously grasping for a solution to a problem that no one has bene able to solve. They just want to be left the fark alone. They're not against the police or justice. They're fighting for their 4th amendment rights. If you don;t like the proposal because its flawed, thats cool. But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.
 
2014-01-30 03:24:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND:


Even these misguided groups in the article care about people being robbed and hurt. They don't want black criminals to go free! They only want to give want INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE the freedom to walk to and from class without being viewed as suspects for no other reason than they share the perps skin color. I don't think their proposal is that well thought out, but they're obviously grasping for a solution to a problem that no one has bene able to solve. They just want to be left the fark alone. They're not against the police or justice. They're fighting for their 4th amendment rights. If you don;t like the proposal because its flawed ...



I agree with respect to the goals of these organizations...and I do believe it was a flawed position on their part.

That being said, I don't think anyone is saying that black community is supportive of criminal activity (*I have no reread the entire threat to see if some racist/bigot actually made such a claim)...I think the claim is better stated that 'the black community turns a blind eye towards crime committed by blacks'.    As an example I would offer up the following; (A) this exact case we are talking about whereby they want one of the most descriptive elements about an individual removed because it  could lead to profiling, when no actual proof of profiling was exhibited, and (B) the disproportionate about of anger and outraged exhibited by the black community towards white on black crimes, but in reality there are many many more black on white crimes and black and black crimes.
 
2014-01-30 03:31:20 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.


I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.
 
2014-01-30 03:44:03 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: And when you're done with that, could you please speak for your entire race regardless of region or subculture by responding to MY unfounded implication?


I'm not authorized to speak on behalf of NASCAR
 
2014-01-30 03:49:43 PM  
Not only has Some Guy been posting to Fark for years, he's also got a fascination with crime!
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-30 03:49:46 PM  
Do those in this thread who imply that race isn't a continuum all hail from, like, rural Kansas?
 
2014-01-30 03:58:47 PM  

radarlove: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Pickles:I don't understand why people even have to say if a person's a-a color. I walked down the street, and there was a GUY askin me for money.

Murderface:Yeah, I was walkin down the street and a--and a few GUYS made me really nervous, and I walked on the other side of the street. Just some GUYS!

Pickles:My cousin was raped by a bunch of GUYS.

Murderface:Some guys' neighborhoods just have liquor stores, and not proper supermarkets. Just GUYS!

Pickles:When I'm walking in particular areas in the city, I mind my wallet around some GUYS.


Worst "Simpsons" evar
 
2014-01-30 04:05:07 PM  

WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND: WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND:


Even these misguided groups in the article care about people being robbed and hurt. They don't want black criminals to go free! They only want to give want INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE the freedom to walk to and from class without being viewed as suspects for no other reason than they share the perps skin color. I don't think their proposal is that well thought out, but they're obviously grasping for a solution to a problem that no one has bene able to solve. They just want to be left the fark alone. They're not against the police or justice. They're fighting for their 4th amendment rights. If you don;t like the proposal because its flawed ...


I agree with respect to the goals of these organizations...and I do believe it was a flawed position on their part.

That being said, I don't think anyone is saying that black community is supportive of criminal activity (*I have no reread the entire threat to see if some racist/bigot actually made such a claim)...I think the claim is better stated that 'the black community turns a blind eye towards crime committed by blacks'.    As an example I would offer up the following; (A) this exact case we are talking about whereby they want one of the most descriptive elements about an individual removed because it  could lead to profiling, when no actual proof of profiling was exhibited, and (B) the disproportionate about of anger and outraged exhibited by the black community towards white on black crimes, but in reality there are many many more black on white crimes and black and black crimes.


First, I appreciate your attempt at reasoned debate. Now, as for your conclusions:

A.) How does one "prove" racial profiling? I'll give you an example. About a month ago, undercover officers pulled up behind my car at a gas station and asked for my license and registration. They claimed that they had run my tags and they came back without a vehicle registered to them. I recently bought a car and had the tags transferred from the old vehicle, so I argued that ONE of the two vehicles had to be tied to the tags. I presented them with the temporary registration from the dealership and the bill of sale, which I happened to have in the same envelope. None of it was sufficient. I went to jail. My car was searched, a nice-sized rip was put in my leather back seat where they pulled the seat from the foundation. I was told by the officers on the way to third district that they were given instructions to bring in everyone who had an infraction that night, no matter how minor. I live in PG County, MD. The vast majority of the people these officers interact with are black. That meant that I and every other black person in my area was in danger of being taken off of the street. When I asked what I did to arouse their suspicions the officer said, "well, your tags didn't come back to the vehicle. It could be a simple oversight at the MVA, but that's why we pulled behind you." When I asked, "But, what made you run my tags?? What was I doing that was suspicious?"

No response.

Who do I go to with that story? What proof do I have that they were farking with me because I'm black, young looking, and driving a nice car? Who do I report it to? Do I go to the supervisors who gave the officers their directions? Do I go to the media so a bunch of Farkers can tell me that "racial profiling isn't a problem anymore" as its already been stated in this thread? These kids and these black organizations aren't asking anyone to turn a blind eye to crime. They're looking for a solution, any solution, to the problem they have which is "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me for crimes that I have no knowledge of?" Their proposal is flawed, but that doesn't mean they don't care.


B.) Now, regarding the outrage. Its not normally outrage that a white person had the audacity to hurt a black person. Most of the outrage is directed towards law enforement agencies and the courtrooms of America. The anger is about JUSTICE, not about race. You have to pay attention to the words being used, not just the tone. For example, folks still talk about how people who spoke on behalf of Trayvon were only angry because a "white" man killed a black teen.

WRONG

The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation.
 
2014-01-30 04:09:22 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.

I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.


Hey rape-enabler, when is the last time you confronted a misogynist?
 
2014-01-30 04:18:39 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.

I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.

Hey rape-enabler, when is the last time you confronted a misogynist?


I'm not suggesting these groups confront criminals.  I'm suggesting they stop advocating we hold back details that can be used to catch criminals.  That's kinda stupid.

I'm definitely okay with releasing any and all details about rapists, including skin color.
 
2014-01-30 04:20:50 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation


Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.  The fact that people believed that he should be tried had nothing to do with the facts.  It had to do with an emotional reaction that was fanned by public figureheads to further an agenda.  Forcing a miscarriage of justice because you feel that something isn't right is immoral and unethical, depending on your position.

This is the same thing.  Asking to cover the racial identity of suspects because someones feelings are being hurt is preposterous.  There's a reason that descriptions of criminals are detailed.  It helps you catch the criminal.  If the fact is that there is a disproportionate number of one genetic makeup making it into the headlines, its not because its being reported in a skewed manner.  It's not malicious, it's facts.
 
2014-01-30 04:23:17 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: They're looking for a solution, any solution, to the problem they have which is "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me for crimes that I have no knowledge of?" Their proposal is flawed, but that doesn't mean they don't care.


Me making fun of their stupid solution doesn't mean I don't care.  It just means I think they're stupid.  It would be one thing if these kids came up with their stupid solution off the top of their heads.  They didn't.  They all sat around thinking and considering and came up with this as their solution, so they wrote it up and signed it and sent it off to their University Administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech
 
2014-01-30 04:23:43 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.

I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.

Hey rape-enabler, when is the last time you confronted a misogynist?

I'm not suggesting these groups confront criminals.  I'm suggesting they stop advocating we hold back details that can be used to catch criminals.  That's kinda stupid.

I'm definitely okay with releasing any and all details about rapists, including skin color.


But, this is the first instance that I can recall this happening. Is this the first time that you've suggested that black people are responsible for black criminals?


/I'll wait for your answer
//Before you answer remember, Fark has an archive
 
2014-01-30 04:24:51 PM  

vudukungfu: *Raises hand*

What's a nubian?


A younger olbian, duh
 
2014-01-30 04:32:02 PM  

AngryDragon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation

Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.  The fact that people believed that he should be tried had nothing to do with the facts.  It had to do with an emotional reaction that was fanned by public figureheads to further an agenda.  Forcing a miscarriage of justice because you feel that something isn't right is immoral and unethical, depending on your position.

This is the same thing.  Asking to cover the racial identity of suspects because someones feelings are being hurt is preposterous.  There's a reason that descriptions of criminals are detailed.  It helps you catch the criminal.  If the fact is that there is a disproportionate number of one genetic makeup making it into the headlines, its not because its being reported in a skewed manner.  It's not malicious, it's facts.



No, that's your bias showing. You can't imagine a world where black people were actually concerned with whether or not justice was being served in a town known for racial insensitivity. So, you;re going with the ridiculous notion that a bunch of uninformed black folks followed Al Aharpton to Florida to shout and wave signs. You TOTALLY ignore history because you weren't negatively effected by it and you expect black people to get over it and do the same in these instances. You're denying the right of the man who has been struck to flinch the next time he sees a raised hand. Racism, segregation, police brutality, systematic oppression, denial of rights...it all happened, champ whether you like it or not. "Lets whistle past the bullshiat that happened in the past and act indignant when we're accused of racism" is not a sound strategy to deal with the divisions in America. But, its the one that you all seem to prefer.
 
2014-01-30 04:35:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND:But, this is the first instance that I can recall this happening. Is this the first time that you've suggested that black people are responsible for black criminals?

/I'll wait for your answer
//Before you answer remember, Fark has an archive


I'm not suggesting black people are responsible for black criminals.  So no, this is not the first time because I have never done that.

lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.



You are not responsible for another black dude committing crimes.  When a bunch of people commit crimes and some of those people are black, if you're upset that sometimes crime alerts say "black man committed a crime" the stupidest solution you can possibly come up with is "lets stop reporting the skin color."  Rather than pretend it doesn't happen, an actual solution would be any attempt to reduce it happening.  Thus mocking their letter asking to cover this shiat up by suggesting they send a letter to actually reduce it.  Now, it's not their job nor is it their responsibility to do anything or say anything about it.  If these black groups simply said nothing, I would have nothing to say about them.  It's not their job or responsibility.  But if they, on their very own decide to make it their problem, then I'm going to criticize them if their solution is really farking stupid.  Not because it's their problem but because their solution is stupid.
 
2014-01-30 04:43:35 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND:But, this is the first instance that I can recall this happening. Is this the first time that you've suggested that black people are responsible for black criminals?

/I'll wait for your answer
//Before you answer remember, Fark has an archive

I'm not suggesting black people are responsible for black criminals.  So no, this is not the first time because I have never done that.

lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.

You are not responsible for another black dude committing crimes.  When a bunch of people commit crimes and some of those people are black, if you're upset that sometimes crime alerts say "black man committed a crime" the stupidest solution you can possibly come up with is "lets stop reporting the skin color."  Rather than pretend it doesn't happen, an actual solution would be any attempt to reduce it happening.  Thus mocking their letter asking to cover this shiat up by suggesting they send a letter to actually reduce it.  Now, it's not their job nor is it their responsibility to do anything or say anything about it.  If these black groups simply said nothing, I would have nothing to say about them.  It's not their job or responsibility.  But if they, on their very own decide to make it their problem, then I'm going to criticize them if their solution is really farking stupid.  Not because it's their problem but because their solution is stupid.


If all you did was mock the letter we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
2014-01-30 04:48:49 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Who do I go to with that story? What proof do I have that they were farking with me because I'm black, young looking, and driving a nice car? Who do I report it to? Do I go to the supervisors who gave the officers their directions? Do I go to the media so a bunch of Farkers can tell me that "racial profiling isn't a problem anymore" as its already been stated in this thread? These kids and these black organizations aren't asking anyone to turn a blind eye to crime. They're looking for a solution, any solution, to the problem they have which is "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me for crimes that I have no knowledge of?" Their proposal is flawed, but that doesn't mean they don't care.


talk to a civil rights attorney.   taking your story on its face, once you provided the temporary registration and bill of sale, you established they no longer had probably cause to think a crime as been committed.   Now that doesn't address the possible profiling, but it can at least hold bad actors accountable for their actions.

The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life.

but here is the thing, LOE and local prosecutors...looked at all the evidence, and determined that there wasn't enough evidence to dispute a claim of self-defense...which ultimately was proven in a court of law...meaning that the original thoughts of LOE was correct...so there was no-miscarriage of justice.   I guess that doesn't address the historic feelings of being treated different...I actually like your statement about "you can't expect them not to flinch"...but we now seem to be moving past parody and onto the other end of the spectrum if a white guys sneezes the "flinch" occurs and said white guy is lambasted for causing the "flinch".

Zimmerman/Martin is and should be remembered as a special case whereby all parties bamboozled into some political theater (media was an accomplice) to ensure a certain segment of society thought 'the white man was holding them down" better get out and vote.

We will not solve racial strife in this country via internet comments, as some other farker said several weeks ago...it won't be solved without some very uncomfortable discusions and realizations from all parties, but without those real and honest discussions, it wont be solved.
 
2014-01-30 04:50:44 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect.

AngryDragon:
 Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.

You're actually both right.  Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because it was impossible to prosecute under the current Florida laws.  And the initial outrage was about an unfair justice system.  But in that particular case, blaming the prosecutor or the cops was the wrong place to blame.  The blame should have been on the Stand Your Ground laws.  That's why there was pushback against Sharpton.  Zimmerman was a racist.  The justice system as a whole is racist.  There are racist police officers and policies.  But the decision to not prosecute Zimmerman was based solely on the inability to get a conviction.  Trayvon Martin's case was a good example and chance to protest racism that still exists in America, or protest shiatty SYG laws.  But not a racist justice system.
 
2014-01-30 04:52:46 PM  

Schmerd1948: No human is really black. Maybe they could use a color chart, like they have with paint, and just call out the number.


That's a pretty good idea... like Panatone.

I know, we can call it  Homotone.
 
2014-01-30 04:56:58 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect.

AngryDragon:  Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.

You're actually both right.  Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because it was impossible to prosecute under the current Florida laws.  And the initial outrage was about an unfair justice system.  But in that particular case, blaming the prosecutor or the cops was the wrong place to blame.  The blame should have been on the Stand Your Ground laws.  That's why there was pushback against Sharpton.  Zimmerman was a racistThe justice system as a whole is racist.  There are racist police officers and policies.  But the decision to not prosecute Zimmerman was based solely on the inability to get a conviction.  Trayvon Martin's case was a good example and chance to protest racism that still exists in America, or protest shiatty SYG laws.  But not a racist justice system.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

- SYG wasn't used.
- You have zero evidence he was a racist
- Point to one racist law...you cant. The system is not racist, although the application may be disproportionate at times.
 
2014-01-30 04:57:23 PM  
I apologize for my comment.

With my mood the way it is, I probably shouldn't be posting today.
 
2014-01-30 04:58:18 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me


What were you wearing?
 
2014-01-30 05:09:00 PM  

WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about.


It's always my favorite when someone posts that to me and then proceeds to clearly demonstrate they have no idea what they are talking about.

WhyKnot: - SYG wasn't used.


Final Jury Instructions
If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: - You have zero evidence he was a racist


He called the cops on a kid walking home at night after buying skittles from 7-11.  All he knew was the kid was black, wearing tan pants and a black sweatshirt with the hoodie up because it was cold and rainy.  So you think it was the khakis or what?

WhyKnot: - Point to one racist law...you cant


You are literally the only person in the United States that doesn't know the justice system is racist.  Literally the only one.

Cocaine is a drug, a helluva drug.  You can make this drug two ways.  One is called crack, the other is called powder.  Black people tend to use crack cocaine, white people tend to use powder cocaine.

5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years.  (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years.  (White people tend to do powder)

Yay, what did I win?
 
2014-01-30 05:10:10 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: AngryDragon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation

Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.  The fact that people believed that he should be tried had nothing to do with the facts.  It had to do with an emotional reaction that was fanned by public figureheads to further an agenda.  Forcing a miscarriage of justice because you feel that something isn't right is immoral and unethical, depending on your position.

This is the same thing.  Asking to cover the racial identity of suspects because someones feelings are being hurt is preposterous.  There's a reason that descriptions of criminals are detailed.  It helps you catch the criminal.  If the fact is that there is a disproportionate number of one genetic makeup making it into the headlines, its not because its being reported in a skewed manner.  It's not malicious, it's facts.


No, that's your bias showing. You can't imagine a world where black people were actually concerned with whether or not justice was being served in a town known for racial insensitivity. So, you;re going with the ridiculous notion that a bunch of uninformed black folks followed Al Aharpton to Florida to shout and wave signs. You TOTALLY ignore history because you weren't negatively effected by it and you expect black people to get over it and do the same in these instances. You're denying the right of the man who has been struck to flinch the next time he sees a raised hand. Racism, segregation, police brutality, systematic oppression, denial of rights...it all happened, champ whether you like it or not. "Lets whistle past the bullshiat that happened in the past and act indignant when we're accused of racism" is not a sound strategy to deal with the divisions in America. But, its the one that you all seem to prefer.


Wow. I don't mean to cheapen your comment DROxINxTHExWIND, but that image really puts a lot of things I couldn't/wouldn't attempt to understand into a much different light. I genuinely appreciate what you're saying and rest assured that today you've given someone a lot of food for thought that won't just be flippantly disconsidered.
 
2014-01-30 05:24:30 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about.

It's always my favorite when someone posts that to me and then proceeds to clearly demonstrate they have no idea what they are talking about.

WhyKnot: - SYG wasn't used.

Final Jury Instructions
If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: - You have zero evidence he was a racist

He called the cops on a kid walking home at night after buying skittles from 7-11.  All he knew was the kid was black, wearing tan pants and a black sweatshirt with the hoodie up because it was cold and rainy.  So you think it was the khakis or what?

WhyKnot: - Point to one racist law...you cant

You are literally the only person in the United States that doesn't know the justice system is racist.  Literally the only one.

Cocaine is a drug, a helluva drug.  You can make this drug two ways.  One is called crack, the other is called powder.  Black people tend to use crack cocaine, white people tend to use powder cocaine.

5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years.  (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years.  (White people tend to do powder)

Yay, what did I win?


look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again.   you have your opinions, I have mine.

As for the justice system being racist...again, I don't believe it, I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.

I see the difference between crack and cocaine, but if i black dude is arrested with cocaine...and a white dude is arrested for crack...the white dude is going away for longer.   I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities, thus I can see why there would be disproportional criminal penalties.   I say possible damaging affects to community, you say racism.
 
2014-01-30 05:27:34 PM  

WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about

WhyKnot: SYG wasn't used


lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf


WhyKnot: look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again. you have your opinions, I have mine.


lol
 
2014-01-30 05:32:15 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about
WhyKnot: SYG wasn't used

lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again. you have your opinions, I have mine.

lol


seriously, you really want to double down on the the fact that 'Stand Your Ground' played a part in the Zimmerman defense?
 
2014-01-30 05:34:00 PM  

WhyKnot: 5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years. (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years. (White people tend to do powder)


WhyKnot: I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities


So crack users are 100 times more dangerous?  Let me guess, is it because... they're black?!  OH NOES SCARY BLACK PEOPLE

You are literally the only person who thinks it's not racist.  The only one.

WhyKnot: As for the justice system being racist...again, I don't believe it, I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.


No it's not you dipshiat.  It's an actual measurable definable thing.  This isn't opinion, you don't just ask your guy if racism is occurring.  You can look at actual facts and numbers and find an answer to this absolutely knowable thing.  That you think this cannot be defined or measured and is simply opinion based shows the true extent of your ignorance.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:02 PM  

Mell of a Hess: The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the African American and African Studies, Black Faculty and Staff Association, Black Graduate and Professional Student Association, Black Men's Forum, Black Student Union and Huntley House for African American Males.

Man, that's a lot of associations.  Do they each handle differing aspects of the negro experience?  Or is there some overlapping?  Should one belong to all, or can you get away with just dipping your toe in one or two of the organizations?

Can I join any if I am Irish?  Black Irish?


i.imgur.com

Word.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:34 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: No, that's your bias showing. You can't imagine a world where black people were actually concerned with whether or not justice was being served in a town known for racial insensitivity. So, you;re going with the ridiculous notion that a bunch of uninformed black folks followed Al Aharpton to Florida to shout and wave signs. You TOTALLY ignore history because you weren't negatively effected by it and you expect black people to get over it and do the same in these instances. You're denying the right of the man who has been struck to flinch the next time he sees a raised hand. Racism, segregation, police brutality, systematic oppression, denial of rights...it all happened, champ whether you like it or not. "Lets whistle past the bullshiat that happened in the past and act indignant when we're accused of racism" is not a sound strategy to deal with the divisions in America. But, its the one that you all seem to prefer


OK, fine.

Explain how this still applies in a setting where 90% of the people are the stated minority.  Take Detroit for example.  African-Americans are not the minority there, they are the majority by a wide margin.  Do these same victimization biases apply when the power structure is overwhelmingly of the same racial makeup?  The communities still turn a blind eye to it then.  What is their excuse then?
 
2014-01-30 05:36:43 PM  

WhyKnot: lennavan: WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about
WhyKnot: SYG wasn't used

lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again. you have your opinions, I have mine.

lol

seriously, you really want to double down on the the fact that 'Stand Your Ground' played a part in the Zimmerman defense?


I actually posted a PDF where the judge instructed the jury to use that in their judgement.

Double down?  Fark that, I'm all in baby.

WhyKnot: lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf


CLICK THE PDF, WhyKnot.  CLICK IT!
 
2014-01-30 05:39:53 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: 5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years. (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years. (White people tend to do powder)

WhyKnot: I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities

So crack users are 100 times more dangerous?  Let me guess, is it because... they're black?!  OH NOES SCARY BLACK PEOPLE


Did I say that?   a crackhead willing to break into a residence to get some quick cash is more more dangerous than an attorney doing coke to stay up and work on a merger agreement.  I don't care about color...you seem to be the one that keeps bringing that up. 

You are literally the only person who thinks it's not racist.  The only one.

WhyKnot: As for the justice system being racist...again, I don't believe it, I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.

No it's not you dipshiat.  It's an actual measurable definable thing.  This isn't opinion, you don't just ask your guy if racism is occurring.  You can look at actual facts and numbers and find an answer to this absolutely knowable thing.  That you think this cannot be defined or measured and is simply opinion based shows the true extent of your ignorance.


Show me said measurements...higher incarceration rates does not equal racism...higher incarceration rates can mean higher amount of crime being committed by such specified group.     Additionally, go back and look at my actual statement the first time...the system isn't racist...at times the application may be.
 
2014-01-30 05:49:19 PM  
lennavan:

CLICK THE PDF, WhyKnot.  CLICK IT!

clicked.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/07/20/the-stand-your-ground-law-and-t he -zimmerman-trial/

There has been much to do about the inclusion of an instruction that "If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty." That is also found in many states though some states have different burdens of proof. That is not a reflection of SYG immunity but a state preference in self-defense cases generally. As noted above, the legislation that included the immunity provision also adopted the common law rule on self-defense. You have no duty of retreat in many states that do not have a formal SYG law. Many people who may not like the immunity provision (barring criminal prosecution) would likely support the common law rule that, once attacked, you do not have to flee in order to claim self-defense in the use of lethal force.  Note that in cases of non-lethal force, there is no such rule even in retreat states and, under the common law, you must still show that your use of lethal force was commensurate with the threat.

Moreover, the jury verdict seemed to reflect its view of the fact in relation to the main charge of the instructions (a standard charge) on self defense that a defendant is "justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself." That is a standard that is used in the same basic form by all states that I know of.



tl:dr?
that instruction is standard common law with respect to using deadly force to defend yourself, had nothing to do with SYG.

we good?   you now understand that SYG had nothing to do with Zimmerman/Martin?
 
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