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2014-01-30 11:24:34 AM  
Artists rendering of the suspect?


i1123.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-30 12:09:43 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]


I suspect that image would be considered offensive to student sensibilities. The picture of the firearm may cause unwarranted fear.
 
2014-01-30 12:21:13 PM  

Dimensio: Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]

I suspect that image would be considered offensive to student sensibilities. The picture of the firearm may cause unwarranted fear.


Not to mention it portrays and unrealistic standard of thinness.
 
2014-01-30 12:21:56 PM  

Dimensio: Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]

I suspect that image would be considered offensive to student sensibilities. The picture of the firearm may cause unwarranted fear.


also biased against the anorexic
 
2014-01-30 12:22:02 PM  
But was he hatless?
 
2014-01-30 12:22:08 PM  
www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-01-30 12:22:43 PM  

GDubDub: But was he hatless?


Asked and answered in under six seconds!
 
2014-01-30 12:23:01 PM  
The organizations wrote that while campus safety is crucial, the profiling can be devastating for black male students.

Also devastating: getting robbed on the way to class.   Sack up, black male students.
 
2014-01-30 12:23:21 PM  
AMBER ALERT: please help us find something or someone who kidnapped something or someone!
 
2014-01-30 12:23:23 PM  
"[We] unanimously agree that campus safety should be of the UMPD's utmost importance; however, efforts to reduce crime should never be at the expense of our Black men

So safety should be of the second most importance, right behind not offending black men.

The organizations wrote that while campus safety is crucial, the profiling can be devastating for black male students.

Why aren't you taking issue with saying male/female then too?  Aren't you tired of men taking the majority of the flack in rapes?
 
2014-01-30 12:24:19 PM  
Directly under the Earth's sun. . . . . NOW.
 
2014-01-30 12:24:48 PM  
Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.
 
2014-01-30 12:25:27 PM  
The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the African American and African Studies, Black Faculty and Staff Association, Black Graduate and Professional Student Association, Black Men's Forum, Black Student Union and Huntley House for African American Males.

Man, that's a lot of associations.  Do they each handle differing aspects of the negro experience?  Or is there some overlapping?  Should one belong to all, or can you get away with just dipping your toe in one or two of the organizations?

Can I join any if I am Irish?  Black Irish?
 
2014-01-30 12:25:56 PM  
The suspect is dark complected and has masculine hetero-normative traits.
 
2014-01-30 12:26:08 PM  
FTA: "...University of Minnesota Police wrongfully identified a student as the suspect."


You cannot wrongfully identify someone as a suspect.  You can wrongfully identify a perpetrator, not a suspect.
 
2014-01-30 12:26:57 PM  

Dimensio: I suspect that image would be considered offensive to student sensibilities. The picture of the firearm may cause unwarranted fear.


Oh sit...I didn't think of that. And on second thought, the image is also black on a white background. Here, let me fix that...

Artists rendering of the suspect?
 
2014-01-30 12:27:50 PM  
Whoa, Whoa Whoa subby.  Along with everyone else here, I don't appreciate your gender profiling.
 
2014-01-30 12:28:20 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-30 12:28:32 PM  

Ennuipoet: GDubDub: But was he hatless?

Asked and answered in under six seconds!


www.maniacworld.com
 
2014-01-30 12:29:25 PM  
Subby is clearly profiling Zaphod Beeblebrox.
 
2014-01-30 12:29:53 PM  
I'm offended that they would refer to a suspect as male. How do you know that's the suspect's preferred gender pronoun?
 
2014-01-30 12:30:14 PM  

parkke0108: FTA: "...University of Minnesota Police wrongfully identified a student as the suspect."


You cannot wrongfully identify someone as a suspect.  You can wrongfully identify a perpetrator, not a suspect.


You can if you call them Billy when their name is really Joe, or something.
 
2014-01-30 12:31:42 PM  
i406.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-30 12:31:42 PM  
So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.
 
2014-01-30 12:31:49 PM  

Mell of a Hess: The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the African American and African Studies, Black Faculty and Staff Association, Black Graduate and Professional Student Association, Black Men's Forum, Black Student Union and Huntley House for African American Males.


The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the European American and European Studies, White Faculty and Staff Association, White Graduate and Professional Student Association, White Men's Forum, White Student Union and Huntley House for European American Males.
 
2014-01-30 12:32:17 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.


Trying to define irony in a thread??



i865.photobucket.com

You've killed us.

 
2014-01-30 12:32:36 PM  

Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.


No, we got it, we just didn't want to point that out for fear ov being labled a racists.

As for you pointing it out...

i758.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-30 12:33:15 PM  
img.fark.net

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun
 
2014-01-30 12:33:37 PM  

Molavian: Mell of a Hess: The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the African American and African Studies, Black Faculty and Staff Association, Black Graduate and Professional Student Association, Black Men's Forum, Black Student Union and Huntley House for African American Males.

The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the European American and European Studies, White Faculty and Staff Association, White Graduate and Professional Student Association, White Men's Forum, White Student Union and Huntley House for European American Males.


[thatsracist.gif]
 
2014-01-30 12:33:47 PM  
Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.
 
GBB
2014-01-30 12:33:56 PM  
That's just a routine call for me.

"GBB to all units: look for someone, somewhere, doing something."
 
2014-01-30 12:34:29 PM  

hobnail: parkke0108: FTA: "...University of Minnesota Police wrongfully identified a student as the suspect."


You cannot wrongfully identify someone as a suspect.  You can wrongfully identify a perpetrator, not a suspect.

You can if you call them Billy when their name is really Joe, or something.


Didn't think of that.  So yes, you are technically correct...the best kind of correct.
 
2014-01-30 12:34:54 PM  

Boo_Guy: Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun


That's Classist!
 
2014-01-30 12:35:09 PM  
You can't take identifying characteristics out of the police report. But "he's black" should not be probable cause to make someone a suspect.
 
2014-01-30 12:35:20 PM  
I'm as bleeding-heart liberal as liberal can be liberal and I think this is absolute nonsense.

/But, I'm white, so there is that.
 
2014-01-30 12:35:35 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-30 12:35:38 PM  

Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.


I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.
 
2014-01-30 12:36:32 PM  
Be on the lookout for some PERSON.

Idiot, sexist, submitter!
 
2014-01-30 12:37:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: You can't take identifying characteristics out of the police report. But "he's black" should not be probable cause to make someone a suspect.


absolutely agree,  it is unclear if that is the motivation here, though there is mention of the student wrongfully (mistakenly?) suspected.
 
2014-01-30 12:37:18 PM  

Brick-House: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.

No, we got it, we just didn't want to point that out for fear ov being labled a racists.

As for you pointing it out...

[i758.photobucket.com image 265x236]



It must be nice when your worst fear regarding racism is that someone may call you a name on the internet. You all should start a support group.
 
2014-01-30 12:37:32 PM  
I go to this school. We've had a litany of emailed public safety alerts from the Campus PD after a streak of robberies last month, and almost every single robbery involved black perps.

Clearly what this represents is a monopolization of petty crime by blacks, in the same way blacks have dominated athletics and the entertainment industry, to the detriment of other ethnic groups, for example the Hmong, that live in the metro area.  Perhaps we can have some sort of car sharing program for small time crooks to bring in Hmong from St. Paul, or perhaps some sort of criminal exchange program and bus in poor white meth heads from the country to help with the hold ups.
 
2014-01-30 12:37:33 PM  

Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.


If some white guy robs one of these groups' meetings at gunpoint, will they mention the color of his skin to police?
 
2014-01-30 12:38:14 PM  

sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.



Name one incident.


/I'll wait
 
2014-01-30 12:39:21 PM  

lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.


Here we go...
 
2014-01-30 12:39:53 PM  

Boo_Guy: [img.fark.net image 750x600]

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun


That's Classism.  Jerk.

/If I hear one person say chordata I will just snap.
 
2014-01-30 12:40:30 PM  
" unique identifying characteristics such as an accent or a distinctive piece of clothing, or the description of vehicles involved. "

But if they describe the car as a non import car wont all the poor people feel threatened?
 
2014-01-30 12:40:58 PM  

lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.



Have you gotten your letter yet about your role in the death of those two black men from West Virginia who were shot by the old white guy? You know, because you're white.
 
2014-01-30 12:41:05 PM  
This sort of thing pisses me off so much. Yeah, we should literally put people in more danger for the sake of political correctness. Fark off.
 
2014-01-30 12:41:06 PM  

Boo_Guy: [img.fark.net image 750x600]

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun


There's no need to discriminate, son. Not everyone has hands, don't pick on the handicapped. Oh wait, "handicapped" has "hand" in it. My mistake.
 
2014-01-30 12:41:11 PM  
Subby is clearly profiling Zaphod Beeblebrox.

"The mugger? He's just this guy..."

The code is easy to figure out on my local news. If they don't mention the skin color, then you know he's black. Simples.
 
2014-01-30 12:41:35 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: You can't take identifying characteristics out of the police report. But "he's black" should not be probable cause to make someone a suspect.


QFT

If we could get that simple standard done correctly, it would eliminate 90% of police misconduct.
 
2014-01-30 12:41:45 PM  
Maybe if would be less offensive to simply refer to black suspects as thugs
 
2014-01-30 12:41:55 PM  
Those comments are pretty damn racist.
 
2014-01-30 12:42:07 PM  

Boo_Guy: [img.fark.net image 750x600]

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun


Hey, isn't that biased against those who wear tin foil hats and believe that some people are actually reptiles in disguise?
 
2014-01-30 12:42:10 PM  
I got some little friends who are 3/4 of more latterly African descent and 1/4 Irish.  While I strongly doubt that they would ever arouse police interest, sussing their ethnicity at a glance would probably be difficult.  What if our perp is a native Strine?  Some people from India are in no way melanin-deficient yet are classified, classically, as Caucasian.  This innovation would be desirable to me, were I the authorities, as race is a completely unscientific idea.  No one has developed a convenient, portable race-ometer.

//Can't we just say
//'dusky?'
 
2014-01-30 12:42:30 PM  
HELP! A nondescript person took an object!
 
2014-01-30 12:42:30 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.


Have you gotten your letter yet about your role in the death of those two black men from West Virginia who were shot by the old white guy? You know, because you're white.


No but I don't remember reading about white groups sending a letter written to the local police authority biatching about reporting that the guy was white.
 
2014-01-30 12:42:43 PM  

Canton: Hey, isn't that biased against those who wear tin foil hats and believe that some people are actually reptiles in disguise?


some are swimsuit model reptiles.
 
2014-01-30 12:43:06 PM  

Delightful Mister Horse: I go to this school. We've had a litany of emailed public safety alerts from the Campus PD after a streak of robberies last month, and almost every single robbery involved black perps.

Clearly what this represents is a monopolization of petty crime by blacks, in the same way blacks have dominated athletics and the entertainment industry, to the detriment of other ethnic groups, for example the Hmong, that live in the metro area.   Perhaps we can have some sort of car sharing program for small time crooks to bring in Hmong from St. Paul, or perhaps some sort of criminal exchange program and bus in poor white meth heads from the country to help with the hold ups.


Farking genius snark
 
2014-01-30 12:43:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.


Name one incident.


/I'll wait


Well, he kinda did more of the shiatting on...

nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-30 12:43:13 PM  
img.fark.net
Suspect apprehended!
 
2014-01-30 12:43:40 PM  
Can we call them Utes?
 
2014-01-30 12:43:51 PM  

FrancoFile: DROxINxTHExWIND: You can't take identifying characteristics out of the police report. But "he's black" should not be probable cause to make someone a suspect.

QFT

If we could get that simple standard done correctly, it would eliminate 90% of police misconduct.


The alternative way to do it is simply define racial profiling as correct police conduct.  See for instance NYC "stop and frisk" and Arizona's attempt with SB1070.
 
2014-01-30 12:44:20 PM  
But on the plus side, we're going to save an ass load of money by not haveing to investagate crimes, arrest criminals, have trials, and put people in prison (assuming they're people).
 
2014-01-30 12:44:51 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Brick-House: Crass and Jaded Mother Farker: Apparently, no one has gotten the irony of the request being made by the BLACK student union.

No, we got it, we just didn't want to point that out for fear ov being labled a racists.

As for you pointing it out...

[i758.photobucket.com image 265x236]


It must be nice when your worst fear regarding racism is that someone may call you a name on the internet. You all should start a support group.


They do. UNCF
 
2014-01-30 12:45:39 PM  

lordjupiter: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

If some white guy robs one of these groups' meetings at gunpoint, will they mention the color of his skin to police?


Ha! Good call!
 
2014-01-30 12:46:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.


Name one incident.


/I'll wait


Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, but here's a couple:

One
Two
 
2014-01-30 12:46:14 PM  
Later this year, the university lawyers will be met by someone how claims to represent the "Hatless Student Minority." "Just because they cannot afford or perhaps chose to not wear hats, should these students be subject to increase scrutiny by the local law enforcement? I would like to think that we live in a society where the choice of head covering or choosing no head covering whatsoever has no bearing on a student or their propensity to commit crimes." The university lawyers will beat this guy senseless and leave him in the recycle barrel with those sticky empty plastic soda bottles that are going right in to the landfill anyways. We know it. Claude, the Janitor told us "It all goes in to the dumpster". And he should know.

Later that night, some hatless person will commit a crime and the hatted community will flood the social media with comments like "Another Hatless crime. When will it end? When we get rid of the hatless. that's when." "Oh look. A crime and there's no hat. What a surprise!"

And then they'll come for the hatless and I'll say nothing. Because I have this awesome fedora that I perch just so on my unhatless head. Haul them off to Hatlessvania, I says.
 
2014-01-30 12:46:21 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]


Is that an AK-47? It's an AK-47, isn't it?
 
2014-01-30 12:46:25 PM  
They'll find a way around it (relevant info at 3:20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQNM2Wl86E
 
2014-01-30 12:46:56 PM  

HelloNeuman: AMBER ALERT: please help us find something or someone who kidnapped something or someone!


Just call it an "Alert" please. There's no need to bring color into this.
 
2014-01-30 12:48:42 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-01-30 12:48:59 PM  
And this is exactly why race relations suck in this country and people feel that the black community doesn't want to deal with epidemic of crime being perpetrated by young black males.

Seriously, these are educated black organizations and they are essentially putting their  feelings ahead of public safety.  And to be clear, we aren't talking about stop and frisks absent probable cause, we are talking about one of the top 5 descriptive factors you can give about someone  after a crime has been committed......sex...color...age...body description...clothing.

I don't know the answer to the volume of crime being perpetrated by young black males, but pretending like it doesn't happen is not the answer.

I know people aren't going to like the word "epidemic" or "volume of crime", but if you look at crime stats, there is a disproportionate amount of crime committed by that demographic compared to their percentage of the overall population.
 
2014-01-30 12:49:26 PM  
That headline was sexist subby. As a guy I'm deeply offended.
 
2014-01-30 12:50:51 PM  

snowybunting: [24.media.tumblr.com image 439x329]


They said hatless
 
2014-01-30 12:51:28 PM  

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Can we call them Utes?


nope, that's ageist
 
2014-01-30 12:53:32 PM  
Can we go back to calling them Moors.
 
2014-01-30 12:53:41 PM  

GDubDub: DROxINxTHExWIND: sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.


Name one incident.


/I'll wait

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, but here's a couple:

One
Two



One - A guy sues a Med School
Two - A kid is forced to take down satirical posters.

It appeared to me that the gentleman was suggesting that Black people get up in arms about a white person calling themselves "African-American. Neither of these examples has anything to do with that.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:02 PM  

Boo_Guy: [img.fark.net image 750x600]

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun


Whoa now.  Don't waken the birds right activist rage machine.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:11 PM  
Be on the look-out for a three-dimensional biped, possibly armed.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:17 PM  
Let's remove gender descriptions to avoid offending gender confused people too.

"Be on the lookout for a HUMAN"
 
2014-01-30 12:56:08 PM  

svanmeter: Let's remove gender descriptions to avoid offending gender confused people too.

"Be on the lookout for a HUMAN"


That's huperson, you sexist.
 
2014-01-30 12:58:04 PM  
"The suspect showed characteristics implying they may be of human origin."
 
2014-01-30 01:00:23 PM  
"The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."

Well, Taylor, then encourage your black, black, black colleagues to stop, you know, committing crimes.
 
2014-01-30 01:00:36 PM  
Whites are now minorities in California. I'm guessing we won't see a "White Student Union" any time soon. Majority students only I guess
 
2014-01-30 01:01:52 PM  
Do we want the cream of Some Young Guy?
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-30 01:02:47 PM  

HelloNeuman: AMBER ALERT: please help us find something or someone who kidnapped something or someone!


I always thought Silver alerts were for old people being kidnapped.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:23 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]


Still black.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:32 PM  
In the local news they only avoid mentioning the race if it is an African American.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:54 PM  

svanmeter: Let's remove gender descriptions to avoid offending gender confused people too.

"Be on the lookout for a HUMAN"


that's specist
 
2014-01-30 01:06:07 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Can we call them Utes?

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com


"Utes?"
 
2014-01-30 01:06:14 PM  
imageshack.com
 
2014-01-30 01:06:55 PM  
Best to just assume that all black people are wanted criminals. Call police if you see one, and stay indoors, dead-bolting all main entrances and exits. If you have children, and see a black person, restrain those children by any means necessary until the threat has passed and the area is fully white again. If needed, dying one's face to appear 'black' can be a healthy strategy, as seen in the historical film "Black Like Me". Many white people, however, are unaware of the differing lip dimensions which may throw off the illusion. Be sure to use phrases such as "Howdy!", and "Wassup?". Walk with a dance-like gait, and pretend that you know the black guy on the evening news, who ever that is now. Do not act racist! Rent the movie "Blacula" for further understanding.
 
2014-01-30 01:10:21 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Best to just assume that all black people are wanted criminals. Call police if you see one, and stay indoors, dead-bolting all main entrances and exits. If you have children, and see a black person, restrain those children by any means necessary until the threat has passed and the area is fully white again. If needed, dying one's face to appear 'black' can be a healthy strategy, as seen in the historical film "Black Like Me". Many white people, however, are unaware of the differing lip dimensions which may throw off the illusion. Be sure to use phrases such as "Howdy!", and "Wassup?". Walk with a dance-like gait, and pretend that you know the black guy on the evening news, who ever that is now. Do not act racist! Rent the movie "Blacula" for further understanding.


Don't forget "damn, shiat and that is whack!"
 
2014-01-30 01:10:33 PM  

d23: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Can we call them Utes?

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 256x192]

"Utes?"


Oh I got it.  One of my fav movies EVER!
 
2014-01-30 01:10:35 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:

//obligatory
 
2014-01-30 01:11:29 PM  
Af-Soomaali?
 
2014-01-30 01:11:48 PM  

I Mash Grains: DROxINxTHExWIND:

//obligatory


:-)
 
2014-01-30 01:13:16 PM  

Need_MindBleach: This sort of thing pisses me off so much. Yeah, we should literally put people in more danger for the sake of political correctness. Fark off.


Despite your correct observation, it seems like there is more of this mental defect going on.

gahh
 
2014-01-30 01:13:23 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: GDubDub: DROxINxTHExWIND: sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.


Name one incident.


/I'll wait

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, but here's a couple:

One
Two


One - A guy sues a Med School because he was suspended for calling himself white african american
Two - A kid is forced to take down satirical posters.

It appeared to me that the gentleman was suggesting that Black people get up in arms about a white person calling themselves "African-American. Neither of these examples has anything to do with that.


You left the important bit out.  Example one wasn't just any old random lawsuit.
 
2014-01-30 01:13:34 PM  
What did he say?

He said the suspect was near.
 
2014-01-30 01:14:20 PM  
"The police describe the suspect as a 25 year old man or medium build, dark skinned, lover of watermelon and last seen leaving a KFC near Pauling Street. WINK, WINK"
 
2014-01-30 01:14:46 PM  

Hector Remarkable: Best to just assume that all black people are wanted criminals. Call police if you see one, and stay indoors, dead-bolting all main entrances and exits. If you have children, and see a black person, restrain those children by any means necessary until the threat has passed and the area is fully white again. If needed, dying one's face to appear 'black' can be a healthy strategy, as seen in the historical film "Black Like Me". Many white people, however, are unaware of the differing lip dimensions which may throw off the illusion. Be sure to use phrases such as "Howdy!", and "Wassup?". Walk with a dance-like gait, and pretend that you know the black guy on the evening news, who ever that is now. Do not act racist! Rent the movie "Blacula" for further understanding.


I can confirm this.
 
2014-01-30 01:17:37 PM  
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I think it was an Asian gang or something. There was this guy, he looked Asian ... and he was speaking another language, I'm pretty sure it was ... Asian.
 
2014-01-30 01:21:40 PM  

jwookie: Can we go back to calling them Moors.


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IT'S MOOPS!
 
2014-01-30 01:22:21 PM  
African American
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2014-01-30 01:26:28 PM  

Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well


Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.
 
2014-01-30 01:27:44 PM  

lordjupiter: svanmeter: Let's remove gender descriptions to avoid offending gender confused people too.

"Be on the lookout for a HUMAN"

That's huperson, you sexist.


You failed to take the "son" out of "person" so it's still wrong. Huperple please. Human + person + people
 
2014-01-30 01:28:26 PM  

Arkanaut: Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well

Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.


they may have said "racial identifications", but they mean skin color...

FTFA:   "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."
 
2014-01-30 01:31:13 PM  
i1.ytimg.com

Pickles:I don't understand why people even have to say if a person's a-a color. I walked down the street, and there was a GUY askin me for money.

Murderface:Yeah, I was walkin down the street and a--and a few GUYS made me really nervous, and I walked on the other side of the street. Just some GUYS!

Pickles:My cousin was raped by a bunch of GUYS.

Murderface:Some guys' neighborhoods just have liquor stores, and not proper supermarkets. Just GUYS!

Pickles:When I'm walking in particular areas in the city, I mind my wallet around some GUYS.
 
2014-01-30 01:32:09 PM  

utsagrad123: jwookie: Can we go back to calling them Moors.

IT'S MOOPS!


What about Mooks? Mookie Blaylock iz da mannn.
 
2014-01-30 01:33:10 PM  
The perp was submitter?

(Some Guy)
 
2014-01-30 01:38:36 PM  
"The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said

Well, I agree they don't need to say "black" three times when they report on these things.  Unless he's like, really really black.
 
2014-01-30 01:38:48 PM  
Its simple, it seems that people are saying some crimes are overreported in the media, being the ones committed by black males.

Just report all the crimes without favour, and who you are looking for. Then nobody can complain except criminals.
 
2014-01-30 01:40:23 PM  

Stoj: "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said

Well, I agree they don't need to say "black" three times when they report on these things.  Unless he's like, really really black.


That would be really black.
 
2014-01-30 01:41:32 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: GDubDub: DROxINxTHExWIND: sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.


Name one incident.


/I'll wait

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, but here's a couple:

One
Two


One - A guy sues a Med School because he was suspended for calling himself white african american
Two - A kid is forced to take down satirical posters.

It appeared to me that the gentleman was suggesting that Black people get up in arms about a white person calling themselves "African-American. Neither of these examples has anything to do with that.

You left the important bit out.  Example one wasn't just any old random lawsuit.



And you blame, "The Black Community" for this?
 
2014-01-30 01:42:12 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


I notice you used black ink.

Racist.
 
2014-01-30 01:42:31 PM  
I would certainly hate for a little thing like public safety to get in the way of someone's feelings.

quitbreakingthelaw.jpg
 
2014-01-30 01:44:42 PM  
I bet they do!
 
2014-01-30 01:46:33 PM  

WhyKnot: Arkanaut: Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well

Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.

they may have said "racial identifications", but they mean skin color...

FTFA:   "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."


Seems like a wording issue IMO.  If you call someone "black", that implies "African-American", and could refer to a range of skin colors from Halle Berry to Manute Bol.  It also lessens the suspicion on other races, such as East Indians or Pacific Islanders, who may have dark skin but are not usually described as "black".
 
2014-01-30 01:46:38 PM  
No human is really black. Maybe they could use a color chart, like they have with paint, and just call out the number.
 
2014-01-30 01:48:00 PM  
I didn't RTFA, but I'mma comment anyway, especially since I've already made my joke post.

I get why people wouldn't want race in a generic description like, "black male, 5'8" to 5'11" tall, medium build." Because, seriously, that that could be anyone.

But if the race is part of a specific description, "Black male, 5'9" tall, earring in left ear, mustache, purple shirt, blue jeans, white sneakers, driving a yellow Geo Metro, etc." That's useful.
 
2014-01-30 01:48:08 PM  
There was a news station in Virginia years back that was like this.  They refused to list the race of suspect no matter what.  The worst example I saw was when they were looking for a murderer; he just killed a few family members and a neighbor and was going around shooting random people; they thought he was going after someone specific.

They gave his name, age, weight, height, desc. of hair style, clothing, car w/ license plate no., his home address, where he worked, went to high school, his church.  Pretty much everything but his phone number.

Oh, but they didn't give his skin color.
 
2014-01-30 01:49:24 PM  
Racial profiling = using race to believe someone to be a suspect = bad

Therefore, using a suspect's race to describe him/her = bad

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2014-01-30 01:50:17 PM  

lennavan: "[We] unanimously agree that campus safety should be of the UMPD's utmost importance; however, efforts to reduce crime should never be at the expense of our Black men

So safety should be of the second most importance, right behind not offending black men ^

who apparently are the ones committing the crimes most frequently, since they keep showing up in the suspect descriptions.

Edited for clarity.
 
2014-01-30 01:50:27 PM  

Stoj: "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said

Well, I agree they don't need to say "black" three times when they report on these things.  Unless he's like, really really black.


DON'T SAY IT 3 TIMES!!1ONE!!

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2014-01-30 01:50:59 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


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They did get the part about the suspect having an AK-47 right at least.
 
2014-01-30 01:52:21 PM  
You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer
 
2014-01-30 01:54:13 PM  
Question:  Do Canadian universities have African Canadian Studies programs?
 
2014-01-30 01:54:32 PM  

Banned on the Run: Dancin_In_Anson: Artists rendering of the suspect?


[i1123.photobucket.com image 300x300]

They did get the part about the suspect having an AK-47 right at least.


Isn`t that a glock?
 
2014-01-30 01:55:21 PM  

brimed03: I notice you used black ink.

Racist.


Hey! I fixed that!
 
2014-01-30 01:55:42 PM  

Marine1: You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer



Why haven't you stepped up to speak out against rape? less rapes would happen if clowns like you would just stand up and say, "I don't like rape".
 
2014-01-30 01:57:04 PM  

Banned on the Run: Question:  Do Canadian universities have African Canadian Studies programs?



Did Canadians have Jim Crow laws?
 
2014-01-30 01:57:28 PM  

FourDirections: Is that an AK-47? It's an AK-47, isn't it?


Clearly a Glock.
 
2014-01-30 02:00:34 PM  

Marine1: /"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer


Lotta folks feel the same way about the militarized police force.  Hence why they've stopped snitching.
 
2014-01-30 02:01:27 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: GDubDub: DROxINxTHExWIND: sheep snorter: Anyone who uses the term "African American" is a cracker.

/And the white guy from Africa gets shiat on when he calls himself an African American.


Name one incident.


/I'll wait

Well, I don't have a dog in this fight, but here's a couple:

One
Two


One - A guy sues a Med School because he was suspended for calling himself white african american
Two - A kid is forced to take down satirical posters.

It appeared to me that the gentleman was suggesting that Black people get up in arms about a white person calling themselves "African-American. Neither of these examples has anything to do with that.

You left the important bit out.  Example one wasn't just any old random lawsuit.


And you blame, "The Black Community" for this?


No.  I'm just saying that citation backed the standard originally set.  Someone claimed a white guy gets shiat on if he claims he's White African American and the citation showed exactly that.
 
2014-01-30 02:02:22 PM  
Myself, if I was black and living in the USA I`d be really fed up with not just being called `American`
 
2014-01-30 02:05:03 PM  

d23: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Can we call them Utes?

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"Utes?"


Eee-zackly.
 
2014-01-30 02:05:09 PM  

Arkanaut: WhyKnot: Arkanaut: Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well

Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.

they may have said "racial identifications", but they mean skin color...

FTFA:   "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."

Seems like a wording issue IMO.  If you call someone "black", that implies "African-American", and could refer to a range of skin colors from Halle Berry to Manute Bol.  It also lessens the suspicion on other races, such as East Indians or Pacific Islanders, who may have dark skin but are not usually described as "black".


I get your point...but then I think racial identification is more important than simply skin-tone...although different ethnic groups may be of similar pigmentation...facial features typically will give it away...as such, racial identification then matters when trying to properly identify someone.
 
2014-01-30 02:06:08 PM  

radarlove: Marine1: /"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer

Lotta folks feel the same way about the militarized police force.  Hence why they've stopped snitching.


It was like this long before cops started patrolling in BDUs and surplus military vehicles.

At some point, the bargain has to be made with the police to trust them with information to solve crimes. Crime is now more of an immediate plague on minority communities than police brutality.
 
2014-01-30 02:08:57 PM  
"The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus"

Clearly this is causing you to draw a different conclusion than the rest of us are.

Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black?


Absolutely correct.
 
2014-01-30 02:09:27 PM  
I just really hate when there's a serial killer in my area.  Like, every time I'm driving, I get pulled over, get thrown on the hood of the car and frisked.  Then they turn me over and grab my shirt.  They yell 2 inches from my face, "Did you kidnap that girl and rape her repeatedly and mutilate her and scatter her remains in the woods but leave a trophy head in your freezer?!!!"

And since I know my rights, I have to respond, "Um...which girl is this?  I can't really answer if I don't know her name."

Stupid cops always violating my white rights, tryin' to trick me into confessing stuff I might not have done.
 
2014-01-30 02:10:13 PM  
*Raises hand*

What's a nubian?
 
2014-01-30 02:10:23 PM  

Marine1: radarlove: Marine1: /"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer

Lotta folks feel the same way about the militarized police force.  Hence why they've stopped snitching.

It was like this long before cops started patrolling in BDUs and surplus military vehicles.

At some point, the bargain has to be made with the police to trust them with information to solve crimes. Crime is now more of an immediate plague on minority communities than police brutality.



And he knows this from all of the time he spends pretending to be a Marine in the ghetto.
 
2014-01-30 02:11:35 PM  
Clearly the police reports should be describing the content of the suspect's character rather than the color of their skin.
 
2014-01-30 02:12:20 PM  

dready zim: Myself, if I was black and living in the USA I`d be really fed up with not just being called `American`


I've never understood this with any ethnic group.  The only reason to classify yourself differently is if you want to be treated differently.  If you insist on special treatment, some people will inevitably resent it.  Human nature.
 
2014-01-30 02:14:40 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: But, you assume that I know criminals because i am African-American.


His initial post wasn't directed to you.  Where the fark did you pick up he was accusing you or all black people of knowing criminals?  I think you're searching for something to be upset about here.

DROxINxTHExWIND: And he knows this from all of the time he spends pretending to be a Marine in the ghetto.


Kinda like this post.  I'm not sure if you live in the ghetto yourself and would know better or not.  Do you?  Otherwise who are you to overrule him?  Where I live, outside of the ghetto, we have newspapers and stuff where we can read about other areas of the world.  For instance, I have at least some idea of what's going on in Georgia right now, even though I live in Illinois.
 
2014-01-30 02:16:35 PM  

Musikslayer: Boo_Guy: [img.fark.net image 750x600]

/If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well
/Be on the lookout for a possible mammal with a handgun

There's no need to discriminate, son. Not everyone has hands, don't pick on the handicapped. Oh wait, "handicapped" has "hand" in it. My mistake.


You can't say capped, either.  It's very hurtful to those of us who can't wear "head coverings" of any kind due to mis-shapen skulls.  It reminds us of our infirmity.
 
2014-01-30 02:17:21 PM  
I wish they'd stop identifying suspects as tall, bald, or having a shaved head. Is there an advocacy group that can support me?
 
2014-01-30 02:20:57 PM  

WhyKnot: Arkanaut: WhyKnot: Arkanaut: Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well

Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.

they may have said "racial identifications", but they mean skin color...

FTFA:   "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."

Seems like a wording issue IMO.  If you call someone "black", that implies "African-American", and could refer to a range of skin colors from Halle Berry to Manute Bol.  It also lessens the suspicion on other races, such as East Indians or Pacific Islanders, who may have dark skin but are not usually described as "black".

I get your point...but then I think racial identification is more important than simply skin-tone...although different ethnic groups may be of similar pigmentation...facial features typically will give it away...as such, racial identification then matters when trying to properly identify someone.


Maybe, when such details are clear.  But even then there's a wide range of facial features for any given race category, such that highlighting those features is more important than just the race itself.
 
2014-01-30 02:22:41 PM  
Was he wearing a hat?
 
2014-01-30 02:22:45 PM  

Marine1: radarlove: Marine1: /"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer

Lotta folks feel the same way about the militarized police force.  Hence why they've stopped snitching.

It was like this long before cops started patrolling in BDUs and surplus military vehicles.


Yeah but now poor white folks won't talk to the cops, either.  Parents raise their kids now to not talk to the cops and to never call them unless it is a life or death emergency.  So whereas before at least you had white victims reporting crime and getting recidivists locked up now nobody does.  Free reign in Gotham!

Marine1: At some point, the bargain has to be made with the police to trust them with information to solve crimes.


At some point, maybe.  But people are beginning to feel that that point no longer extends to things like theft, robbery, drug sales, rape, assault...pretty much the only "point" that a lot of people are willing to let things get to before they'll call the cops is murder, and even then a lot of times that goes unreported.  Why report it if the cops are just going to kill everyone else in the house?

Marine1: Crime is now more of an immediate plague on minority communities than police brutality.


The way that sentence is worded implies that police brutality used to be a more immediate plague than crime.  I hate to admit that things have gotten this bad, but I'm afraid I have to disagree with the sentence completely.
 
2014-01-30 02:22:51 PM  

Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer


Why haven't you stepped up to speak out against rape? less rapes would happen if clowns like you would just stand up and say, "I don't like rape".

I don't know anyone who *does* rape. If I did know of one, I'd speak out to the police. The whole chocolate omerta thing that's going on in parts of the African-American community isn't doing anyone any favors and increases the number of crime sprees that are associated with black suspects.


But, you assume that I know criminals because i am African-American. But don't they dare call you racist. Whats not doing anyone any favors are dinosaurs like you who still take needed oxygen from intelligent beings who are interested in living together without stupidity, like bigotry.

No, I'm not making that assumption. I didn't even  know you were black.



You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong to intepret your comment the way that I did.
 
2014-01-30 02:23:06 PM  
img.photobucket.com

www.blogcdn.com
 
2014-01-30 02:28:21 PM  
He should be pardoned for submitting so many Fark links. That guy is dedicated.
 
2014-01-30 02:28:32 PM  

Arkanaut: WhyKnot: Arkanaut: WhyKnot: Arkanaut: Boo_Guy: /If it's wrong to use skin color in descriptions then I want gender removed from them as well

Actually TFA doesn't say "skin color" -- it says "racial identifications".  Actual skin color ("dark-skinned male", "light-skinned male") would be a lot more useful in identifying a suspect.

they may have said "racial identifications", but they mean skin color...

FTFA:   "The repeated black, black, black suspect," Taylor said. "And what that does it really discomforts the mental and physical comfort for students on campus because they feel like suspicions begin to increase."

Seems like a wording issue IMO.  If you call someone "black", that implies "African-American", and could refer to a range of skin colors from Halle Berry to Manute Bol.  It also lessens the suspicion on other races, such as East Indians or Pacific Islanders, who may have dark skin but are not usually described as "black".

I get your point...but then I think racial identification is more important than simply skin-tone...although different ethnic groups may be of similar pigmentation...facial features typically will give it away...as such, racial identification then matters when trying to properly identify someone.

Maybe, when such details are clear.  But even then there's a wide range of facial features for any given race category, such that highlighting those features is more important than just the race itself.


I absolutely agree...but as race makes up some a large piece of describing someone, race should absolutely be used, but of course other distinguishing features should be identified as well.     The idea in a crime alert should never be about implying anything about a segment of society, they should be about identify an individual (white, black, asian, hispanic) that poses a risk to society, thus that individual should be described as best he/she can be described.
 
2014-01-30 02:30:31 PM  
Well aren't they allowing people to carry guns on campus not? Just shoot anyone you think looks out of place, you'll get the right guy eventually.
 
2014-01-30 02:33:01 PM  

WhyKnot: I absolutely agree...but as race makes up some a large piece of describing someone, race should absolutely be used, but of course other distinguishing features should be identified as well.


Only Sith deal in absolutes.
 
2014-01-30 02:38:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: DROxINxTHExWIND: Marine1: You'd probably see fewer of these alerts if more people (particularly in the African-American community) were to speak up to police if they heard anything about robberies, rapes, assaults, and murders, you'd see fewer repeat offenders on the streets and thus fewer crimes. Surprisingly few crimes actually get solved in the US, particularly in areas with large minority populations.

/"Stop snitchin'" is a cultural cancer


Why haven't you stepped up to speak out against rape? less rapes would happen if clowns like you would just stand up and say, "I don't like rape".

I don't know anyone who *does* rape. If I did know of one, I'd speak out to the police. The whole chocolate omerta thing that's going on in parts of the African-American community isn't doing anyone any favors and increases the number of crime sprees that are associated with black suspects.


But, you assume that I know criminals because i am African-American. But don't they dare call you racist. Whats not doing anyone any favors are dinosaurs like you who still take needed oxygen from intelligent beings who are interested in living together without stupidity, like bigotry.

No, I'm not making that assumption. I didn't even  know you were black.


You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...


Well, I'm not seeing any other communities where a major movement has coalesced in order to  keep people from talking to police about crimes in an age when  large percentages of violent and deadly crimes  go unsolved.

I'm also not seeing any other communities with bodies composed of that community's members suggesting that an essential piece of information be omitted from suspect descriptions in order to cover their own asses. 

I'm tired of hearing about African-Americans (particularly young males, like myself) dying in the streets on the news. This isn't helping; it's hurting.
 
2014-01-30 02:39:48 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:

You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...

Hey DRO...I know you are responding to other dude, so I am sort of twisting your words here...but this article is exactly why people feel the black community doesn't take crime committed by blacks as serious as they should.    Now that we have interacted several times (a lot lately it seems), i watch your comments and I understand the point you are trying to make, I know you aren't saying that the black community doesn't care..because I know you do and have pointed out multiple times in other threats that there are many more factors associated with crime in urban areas that simply "black people commit crime".
 
2014-01-30 02:41:21 PM  

Arkanaut: WhyKnot: I absolutely agree...but as race makes up some a large piece of describing someone, race should absolutely be used, but of course other distinguishing features should be identified as well.

Only Sith deal in absolutes.

 
2014-01-30 02:47:13 PM  
How would you describe these actors?
 
2014-01-30 02:48:20 PM  

vudukungfu: How would you describe these actors?


Cartoons.
 
2014-01-30 02:50:13 PM  
So basically they're trying to keep the heat off their homies thus enabling said homies to commit further crimes. Coverin' for the bruthas.

"Black, black, black suspect" sounds like a line from a rap song.
 
2014-01-30 02:52:54 PM  
And when you're done with that, could you please speak for your entire race regardless of region or subculture by responding to MY unfounded implication?
 
2014-01-30 03:00:20 PM  

Crewmannumber6: They'll find a way around it (relevant info at 3:20)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQNM2Wl86E


I was listening to the police scanner yesterday (no good reason other than I saw it was available online) and the dispatcher reported two suspicious (pause) no description males going behind some building.  I was thinking can't they just say 'canadian'?  Then I figured given the area he's probably 'not canadian'.
 
2014-01-30 03:04:46 PM  

WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND:

You're blaming the "African-American Community", of which i am a member, for the actions of a few black people. Your ridiculous premise is that if other black people took more actions to report crimes then police would be less likely to racially profile black people. Not sure how that makes sense to you. I responded basically saying that I am no more respojnsible for a crime committed by a black person than YOU are responsible for the actions of a randomn man who rapes someone. your response was, "I don't know any rapists". So, what you're saying is that the blacks should do something about crime because they KNOW criminals. Is that a fair summary of the conversation? Please tell me where I was wrong ...

Hey DRO...I know you are responding to other dude, so I am sort of twisting your words here...but this article is exactly why people feel the black community doesn't take crime committed by blacks as serious as they should.    Now that we have interacted several times (a lot lately it seems), i watch your comments and I understand the point you are trying to make, I know you aren't saying that the black community doesn't care..because I know you do and have pointed out multiple times in other threats that there are many more factors associated with crime in urban areas that simply "black people commit crime".


Even these misguided groups in the article care about people being robbed and hurt. They don't want black criminals to go free! They only want to give want INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE the freedom to walk to and from class without being viewed as suspects for no other reason than they share the perps skin color. I don't think their proposal is that well thought out, but they're obviously grasping for a solution to a problem that no one has bene able to solve. They just want to be left the fark alone. They're not against the police or justice. They're fighting for their 4th amendment rights. If you don;t like the proposal because its flawed, thats cool. But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.
 
2014-01-30 03:24:06 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND:


Even these misguided groups in the article care about people being robbed and hurt. They don't want black criminals to go free! They only want to give want INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE the freedom to walk to and from class without being viewed as suspects for no other reason than they share the perps skin color. I don't think their proposal is that well thought out, but they're obviously grasping for a solution to a problem that no one has bene able to solve. They just want to be left the fark alone. They're not against the police or justice. They're fighting for their 4th amendment rights. If you don;t like the proposal because its flawed ...



I agree with respect to the goals of these organizations...and I do believe it was a flawed position on their part.

That being said, I don't think anyone is saying that black community is supportive of criminal activity (*I have no reread the entire threat to see if some racist/bigot actually made such a claim)...I think the claim is better stated that 'the black community turns a blind eye towards crime committed by blacks'.    As an example I would offer up the following; (A) this exact case we are talking about whereby they want one of the most descriptive elements about an individual removed because it  could lead to profiling, when no actual proof of profiling was exhibited, and (B) the disproportionate about of anger and outraged exhibited by the black community towards white on black crimes, but in reality there are many many more black on white crimes and black and black crimes.
 
2014-01-30 03:31:20 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.


I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.
 
2014-01-30 03:44:03 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: And when you're done with that, could you please speak for your entire race regardless of region or subculture by responding to MY unfounded implication?


I'm not authorized to speak on behalf of NASCAR
 
2014-01-30 03:49:43 PM  
Not only has Some Guy been posting to Fark for years, he's also got a fascination with crime!
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-30 03:49:46 PM  
Do those in this thread who imply that race isn't a continuum all hail from, like, rural Kansas?
 
2014-01-30 03:58:47 PM  

radarlove: [i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Pickles:I don't understand why people even have to say if a person's a-a color. I walked down the street, and there was a GUY askin me for money.

Murderface:Yeah, I was walkin down the street and a--and a few GUYS made me really nervous, and I walked on the other side of the street. Just some GUYS!

Pickles:My cousin was raped by a bunch of GUYS.

Murderface:Some guys' neighborhoods just have liquor stores, and not proper supermarkets. Just GUYS!

Pickles:When I'm walking in particular areas in the city, I mind my wallet around some GUYS.


Worst "Simpsons" evar
 
2014-01-30 04:05:07 PM  

WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND: WhyKnot: DROxINxTHExWIND:


Even these misguided groups in the article care about people being robbed and hurt. They don't want black criminals to go free! They only want to give want INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE the freedom to walk to and from class without being viewed as suspects for no other reason than they share the perps skin color. I don't think their proposal is that well thought out, but they're obviously grasping for a solution to a problem that no one has bene able to solve. They just want to be left the fark alone. They're not against the police or justice. They're fighting for their 4th amendment rights. If you don;t like the proposal because its flawed ...


I agree with respect to the goals of these organizations...and I do believe it was a flawed position on their part.

That being said, I don't think anyone is saying that black community is supportive of criminal activity (*I have no reread the entire threat to see if some racist/bigot actually made such a claim)...I think the claim is better stated that 'the black community turns a blind eye towards crime committed by blacks'.    As an example I would offer up the following; (A) this exact case we are talking about whereby they want one of the most descriptive elements about an individual removed because it  could lead to profiling, when no actual proof of profiling was exhibited, and (B) the disproportionate about of anger and outraged exhibited by the black community towards white on black crimes, but in reality there are many many more black on white crimes and black and black crimes.


First, I appreciate your attempt at reasoned debate. Now, as for your conclusions:

A.) How does one "prove" racial profiling? I'll give you an example. About a month ago, undercover officers pulled up behind my car at a gas station and asked for my license and registration. They claimed that they had run my tags and they came back without a vehicle registered to them. I recently bought a car and had the tags transferred from the old vehicle, so I argued that ONE of the two vehicles had to be tied to the tags. I presented them with the temporary registration from the dealership and the bill of sale, which I happened to have in the same envelope. None of it was sufficient. I went to jail. My car was searched, a nice-sized rip was put in my leather back seat where they pulled the seat from the foundation. I was told by the officers on the way to third district that they were given instructions to bring in everyone who had an infraction that night, no matter how minor. I live in PG County, MD. The vast majority of the people these officers interact with are black. That meant that I and every other black person in my area was in danger of being taken off of the street. When I asked what I did to arouse their suspicions the officer said, "well, your tags didn't come back to the vehicle. It could be a simple oversight at the MVA, but that's why we pulled behind you." When I asked, "But, what made you run my tags?? What was I doing that was suspicious?"

No response.

Who do I go to with that story? What proof do I have that they were farking with me because I'm black, young looking, and driving a nice car? Who do I report it to? Do I go to the supervisors who gave the officers their directions? Do I go to the media so a bunch of Farkers can tell me that "racial profiling isn't a problem anymore" as its already been stated in this thread? These kids and these black organizations aren't asking anyone to turn a blind eye to crime. They're looking for a solution, any solution, to the problem they have which is "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me for crimes that I have no knowledge of?" Their proposal is flawed, but that doesn't mean they don't care.


B.) Now, regarding the outrage. Its not normally outrage that a white person had the audacity to hurt a black person. Most of the outrage is directed towards law enforement agencies and the courtrooms of America. The anger is about JUSTICE, not about race. You have to pay attention to the words being used, not just the tone. For example, folks still talk about how people who spoke on behalf of Trayvon were only angry because a "white" man killed a black teen.

WRONG

The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation.
 
2014-01-30 04:09:22 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.

I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.


Hey rape-enabler, when is the last time you confronted a misogynist?
 
2014-01-30 04:18:39 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.

I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.

Hey rape-enabler, when is the last time you confronted a misogynist?


I'm not suggesting these groups confront criminals.  I'm suggesting they stop advocating we hold back details that can be used to catch criminals.  That's kinda stupid.

I'm definitely okay with releasing any and all details about rapists, including skin color.
 
2014-01-30 04:20:50 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation


Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.  The fact that people believed that he should be tried had nothing to do with the facts.  It had to do with an emotional reaction that was fanned by public figureheads to further an agenda.  Forcing a miscarriage of justice because you feel that something isn't right is immoral and unethical, depending on your position.

This is the same thing.  Asking to cover the racial identity of suspects because someones feelings are being hurt is preposterous.  There's a reason that descriptions of criminals are detailed.  It helps you catch the criminal.  If the fact is that there is a disproportionate number of one genetic makeup making it into the headlines, its not because its being reported in a skewed manner.  It's not malicious, it's facts.
 
2014-01-30 04:23:17 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: They're looking for a solution, any solution, to the problem they have which is "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me for crimes that I have no knowledge of?" Their proposal is flawed, but that doesn't mean they don't care.


Me making fun of their stupid solution doesn't mean I don't care.  It just means I think they're stupid.  It would be one thing if these kids came up with their stupid solution off the top of their heads.  They didn't.  They all sat around thinking and considering and came up with this as their solution, so they wrote it up and signed it and sent it off to their University Administration.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech
 
2014-01-30 04:23:43 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: But no need for some of these folks to jump all the way to the conclusion that black people are supportive of criminal activity.

I'm trying to think of a better way to support criminal activity than actively campaign for not allowing crime alerts to report one of the most important descriptive details of the perpetrator.

Hey rape-enabler, when is the last time you confronted a misogynist?

I'm not suggesting these groups confront criminals.  I'm suggesting they stop advocating we hold back details that can be used to catch criminals.  That's kinda stupid.

I'm definitely okay with releasing any and all details about rapists, including skin color.


But, this is the first instance that I can recall this happening. Is this the first time that you've suggested that black people are responsible for black criminals?


/I'll wait for your answer
//Before you answer remember, Fark has an archive
 
2014-01-30 04:24:51 PM  

vudukungfu: *Raises hand*

What's a nubian?


A younger olbian, duh
 
2014-01-30 04:32:02 PM  

AngryDragon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation

Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.  The fact that people believed that he should be tried had nothing to do with the facts.  It had to do with an emotional reaction that was fanned by public figureheads to further an agenda.  Forcing a miscarriage of justice because you feel that something isn't right is immoral and unethical, depending on your position.

This is the same thing.  Asking to cover the racial identity of suspects because someones feelings are being hurt is preposterous.  There's a reason that descriptions of criminals are detailed.  It helps you catch the criminal.  If the fact is that there is a disproportionate number of one genetic makeup making it into the headlines, its not because its being reported in a skewed manner.  It's not malicious, it's facts.



No, that's your bias showing. You can't imagine a world where black people were actually concerned with whether or not justice was being served in a town known for racial insensitivity. So, you;re going with the ridiculous notion that a bunch of uninformed black folks followed Al Aharpton to Florida to shout and wave signs. You TOTALLY ignore history because you weren't negatively effected by it and you expect black people to get over it and do the same in these instances. You're denying the right of the man who has been struck to flinch the next time he sees a raised hand. Racism, segregation, police brutality, systematic oppression, denial of rights...it all happened, champ whether you like it or not. "Lets whistle past the bullshiat that happened in the past and act indignant when we're accused of racism" is not a sound strategy to deal with the divisions in America. But, its the one that you all seem to prefer.
 
2014-01-30 04:35:02 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND:But, this is the first instance that I can recall this happening. Is this the first time that you've suggested that black people are responsible for black criminals?

/I'll wait for your answer
//Before you answer remember, Fark has an archive


I'm not suggesting black people are responsible for black criminals.  So no, this is not the first time because I have never done that.

lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.



You are not responsible for another black dude committing crimes.  When a bunch of people commit crimes and some of those people are black, if you're upset that sometimes crime alerts say "black man committed a crime" the stupidest solution you can possibly come up with is "lets stop reporting the skin color."  Rather than pretend it doesn't happen, an actual solution would be any attempt to reduce it happening.  Thus mocking their letter asking to cover this shiat up by suggesting they send a letter to actually reduce it.  Now, it's not their job nor is it their responsibility to do anything or say anything about it.  If these black groups simply said nothing, I would have nothing to say about them.  It's not their job or responsibility.  But if they, on their very own decide to make it their problem, then I'm going to criticize them if their solution is really farking stupid.  Not because it's their problem but because their solution is stupid.
 
2014-01-30 04:43:35 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND:But, this is the first instance that I can recall this happening. Is this the first time that you've suggested that black people are responsible for black criminals?

/I'll wait for your answer
//Before you answer remember, Fark has an archive

I'm not suggesting black people are responsible for black criminals.  So no, this is not the first time because I have never done that.

lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.

You are not responsible for another black dude committing crimes.  When a bunch of people commit crimes and some of those people are black, if you're upset that sometimes crime alerts say "black man committed a crime" the stupidest solution you can possibly come up with is "lets stop reporting the skin color."  Rather than pretend it doesn't happen, an actual solution would be any attempt to reduce it happening.  Thus mocking their letter asking to cover this shiat up by suggesting they send a letter to actually reduce it.  Now, it's not their job nor is it their responsibility to do anything or say anything about it.  If these black groups simply said nothing, I would have nothing to say about them.  It's not their job or responsibility.  But if they, on their very own decide to make it their problem, then I'm going to criticize them if their solution is really farking stupid.  Not because it's their problem but because their solution is stupid.


If all you did was mock the letter we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 
2014-01-30 04:48:49 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Who do I go to with that story? What proof do I have that they were farking with me because I'm black, young looking, and driving a nice car? Who do I report it to? Do I go to the supervisors who gave the officers their directions? Do I go to the media so a bunch of Farkers can tell me that "racial profiling isn't a problem anymore" as its already been stated in this thread? These kids and these black organizations aren't asking anyone to turn a blind eye to crime. They're looking for a solution, any solution, to the problem they have which is "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me for crimes that I have no knowledge of?" Their proposal is flawed, but that doesn't mean they don't care.


talk to a civil rights attorney.   taking your story on its face, once you provided the temporary registration and bill of sale, you established they no longer had probably cause to think a crime as been committed.   Now that doesn't address the possible profiling, but it can at least hold bad actors accountable for their actions.

The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life.

but here is the thing, LOE and local prosecutors...looked at all the evidence, and determined that there wasn't enough evidence to dispute a claim of self-defense...which ultimately was proven in a court of law...meaning that the original thoughts of LOE was correct...so there was no-miscarriage of justice.   I guess that doesn't address the historic feelings of being treated different...I actually like your statement about "you can't expect them not to flinch"...but we now seem to be moving past parody and onto the other end of the spectrum if a white guys sneezes the "flinch" occurs and said white guy is lambasted for causing the "flinch".

Zimmerman/Martin is and should be remembered as a special case whereby all parties bamboozled into some political theater (media was an accomplice) to ensure a certain segment of society thought 'the white man was holding them down" better get out and vote.

We will not solve racial strife in this country via internet comments, as some other farker said several weeks ago...it won't be solved without some very uncomfortable discusions and realizations from all parties, but without those real and honest discussions, it wont be solved.
 
2014-01-30 04:50:44 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect.

AngryDragon:
 Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.

You're actually both right.  Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because it was impossible to prosecute under the current Florida laws.  And the initial outrage was about an unfair justice system.  But in that particular case, blaming the prosecutor or the cops was the wrong place to blame.  The blame should have been on the Stand Your Ground laws.  That's why there was pushback against Sharpton.  Zimmerman was a racist.  The justice system as a whole is racist.  There are racist police officers and policies.  But the decision to not prosecute Zimmerman was based solely on the inability to get a conviction.  Trayvon Martin's case was a good example and chance to protest racism that still exists in America, or protest shiatty SYG laws.  But not a racist justice system.
 
2014-01-30 04:52:46 PM  

Schmerd1948: No human is really black. Maybe they could use a color chart, like they have with paint, and just call out the number.


That's a pretty good idea... like Panatone.

I know, we can call it  Homotone.
 
2014-01-30 04:56:58 PM  

lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect.

AngryDragon:  Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.

You're actually both right.  Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because it was impossible to prosecute under the current Florida laws.  And the initial outrage was about an unfair justice system.  But in that particular case, blaming the prosecutor or the cops was the wrong place to blame.  The blame should have been on the Stand Your Ground laws.  That's why there was pushback against Sharpton.  Zimmerman was a racistThe justice system as a whole is racist.  There are racist police officers and policies.  But the decision to not prosecute Zimmerman was based solely on the inability to get a conviction.  Trayvon Martin's case was a good example and chance to protest racism that still exists in America, or protest shiatty SYG laws.  But not a racist justice system.


You have no idea what you are talking about.

- SYG wasn't used.
- You have zero evidence he was a racist
- Point to one racist law...you cant. The system is not racist, although the application may be disproportionate at times.
 
2014-01-30 04:57:23 PM  
I apologize for my comment.

With my mood the way it is, I probably shouldn't be posting today.
 
2014-01-30 04:58:18 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: "how can I get the police and others in the community to stop fingering me


What were you wearing?
 
2014-01-30 05:09:00 PM  

WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about.


It's always my favorite when someone posts that to me and then proceeds to clearly demonstrate they have no idea what they are talking about.

WhyKnot: - SYG wasn't used.


Final Jury Instructions
If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: - You have zero evidence he was a racist


He called the cops on a kid walking home at night after buying skittles from 7-11.  All he knew was the kid was black, wearing tan pants and a black sweatshirt with the hoodie up because it was cold and rainy.  So you think it was the khakis or what?

WhyKnot: - Point to one racist law...you cant


You are literally the only person in the United States that doesn't know the justice system is racist.  Literally the only one.

Cocaine is a drug, a helluva drug.  You can make this drug two ways.  One is called crack, the other is called powder.  Black people tend to use crack cocaine, white people tend to use powder cocaine.

5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years.  (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years.  (White people tend to do powder)

Yay, what did I win?
 
2014-01-30 05:10:10 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: AngryDragon: DROxINxTHExWIND: The initial outrage was that it did not appear that the justice system was going to hold the "white" man accountable for taking a kids life. They felt that there are MANY instances where blacks are prosecuted with a lot less evidence and they were angry that the police were handling the case differently because there was a non-black suspect. It wasn't just about "Grrr, that white man killed the black kid". It was anger at the perception that blacks and whites are treated differently in the jusidical system. Sure, anger can morph into anything and after two years of hearing "the little black kid deserved it", there were definately black people who took it to a different place. I guess its just like in team sports. The ref never sees the first hit but he always sees the retaliation

Zimmerman wasn't being prosecuted because two law enforcement agencies couldn't produce enough evidence to produce reasonable belief.  The fact that people believed that he should be tried had nothing to do with the facts.  It had to do with an emotional reaction that was fanned by public figureheads to further an agenda.  Forcing a miscarriage of justice because you feel that something isn't right is immoral and unethical, depending on your position.

This is the same thing.  Asking to cover the racial identity of suspects because someones feelings are being hurt is preposterous.  There's a reason that descriptions of criminals are detailed.  It helps you catch the criminal.  If the fact is that there is a disproportionate number of one genetic makeup making it into the headlines, its not because its being reported in a skewed manner.  It's not malicious, it's facts.


No, that's your bias showing. You can't imagine a world where black people were actually concerned with whether or not justice was being served in a town known for racial insensitivity. So, you;re going with the ridiculous notion that a bunch of uninformed black folks followed Al Aharpton to Florida to shout and wave signs. You TOTALLY ignore history because you weren't negatively effected by it and you expect black people to get over it and do the same in these instances. You're denying the right of the man who has been struck to flinch the next time he sees a raised hand. Racism, segregation, police brutality, systematic oppression, denial of rights...it all happened, champ whether you like it or not. "Lets whistle past the bullshiat that happened in the past and act indignant when we're accused of racism" is not a sound strategy to deal with the divisions in America. But, its the one that you all seem to prefer.


Wow. I don't mean to cheapen your comment DROxINxTHExWIND, but that image really puts a lot of things I couldn't/wouldn't attempt to understand into a much different light. I genuinely appreciate what you're saying and rest assured that today you've given someone a lot of food for thought that won't just be flippantly disconsidered.
 
2014-01-30 05:24:30 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about.

It's always my favorite when someone posts that to me and then proceeds to clearly demonstrate they have no idea what they are talking about.

WhyKnot: - SYG wasn't used.

Final Jury Instructions
If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: - You have zero evidence he was a racist

He called the cops on a kid walking home at night after buying skittles from 7-11.  All he knew was the kid was black, wearing tan pants and a black sweatshirt with the hoodie up because it was cold and rainy.  So you think it was the khakis or what?

WhyKnot: - Point to one racist law...you cant

You are literally the only person in the United States that doesn't know the justice system is racist.  Literally the only one.

Cocaine is a drug, a helluva drug.  You can make this drug two ways.  One is called crack, the other is called powder.  Black people tend to use crack cocaine, white people tend to use powder cocaine.

5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years.  (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years.  (White people tend to do powder)

Yay, what did I win?


look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again.   you have your opinions, I have mine.

As for the justice system being racist...again, I don't believe it, I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.

I see the difference between crack and cocaine, but if i black dude is arrested with cocaine...and a white dude is arrested for crack...the white dude is going away for longer.   I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities, thus I can see why there would be disproportional criminal penalties.   I say possible damaging affects to community, you say racism.
 
2014-01-30 05:27:34 PM  

WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about

WhyKnot: SYG wasn't used


lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf


WhyKnot: look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again. you have your opinions, I have mine.


lol
 
2014-01-30 05:32:15 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about
WhyKnot: SYG wasn't used

lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again. you have your opinions, I have mine.

lol


seriously, you really want to double down on the the fact that 'Stand Your Ground' played a part in the Zimmerman defense?
 
2014-01-30 05:34:00 PM  

WhyKnot: 5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years. (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years. (White people tend to do powder)


WhyKnot: I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities


So crack users are 100 times more dangerous?  Let me guess, is it because... they're black?!  OH NOES SCARY BLACK PEOPLE

You are literally the only person who thinks it's not racist.  The only one.

WhyKnot: As for the justice system being racist...again, I don't believe it, I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.


No it's not you dipshiat.  It's an actual measurable definable thing.  This isn't opinion, you don't just ask your guy if racism is occurring.  You can look at actual facts and numbers and find an answer to this absolutely knowable thing.  That you think this cannot be defined or measured and is simply opinion based shows the true extent of your ignorance.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:02 PM  

Mell of a Hess: The letter, sent on Dec. 6, 2013, was issued by members of the African American and African Studies, Black Faculty and Staff Association, Black Graduate and Professional Student Association, Black Men's Forum, Black Student Union and Huntley House for African American Males.

Man, that's a lot of associations.  Do they each handle differing aspects of the negro experience?  Or is there some overlapping?  Should one belong to all, or can you get away with just dipping your toe in one or two of the organizations?

Can I join any if I am Irish?  Black Irish?


i.imgur.com

Word.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:34 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: No, that's your bias showing. You can't imagine a world where black people were actually concerned with whether or not justice was being served in a town known for racial insensitivity. So, you;re going with the ridiculous notion that a bunch of uninformed black folks followed Al Aharpton to Florida to shout and wave signs. You TOTALLY ignore history because you weren't negatively effected by it and you expect black people to get over it and do the same in these instances. You're denying the right of the man who has been struck to flinch the next time he sees a raised hand. Racism, segregation, police brutality, systematic oppression, denial of rights...it all happened, champ whether you like it or not. "Lets whistle past the bullshiat that happened in the past and act indignant when we're accused of racism" is not a sound strategy to deal with the divisions in America. But, its the one that you all seem to prefer


OK, fine.

Explain how this still applies in a setting where 90% of the people are the stated minority.  Take Detroit for example.  African-Americans are not the minority there, they are the majority by a wide margin.  Do these same victimization biases apply when the power structure is overwhelmingly of the same racial makeup?  The communities still turn a blind eye to it then.  What is their excuse then?
 
2014-01-30 05:36:43 PM  

WhyKnot: lennavan: WhyKnot: You have no idea what you are talking about
WhyKnot: SYG wasn't used

lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf

WhyKnot: look, we went round and round on Zimmerman/Martin just the other day, not doing it again. you have your opinions, I have mine.

lol

seriously, you really want to double down on the the fact that 'Stand Your Ground' played a part in the Zimmerman defense?


I actually posted a PDF where the judge instructed the jury to use that in their judgement.

Double down?  Fark that, I'm all in baby.

WhyKnot: lennavan: Final Jury Instructions... had the right to stand his ground ...
PDF - http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/news/documents/2013/07/12/Zimmerma n _Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf


CLICK THE PDF, WhyKnot.  CLICK IT!
 
2014-01-30 05:39:53 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: 5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years. (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years. (White people tend to do powder)

WhyKnot: I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities

So crack users are 100 times more dangerous?  Let me guess, is it because... they're black?!  OH NOES SCARY BLACK PEOPLE


Did I say that?   a crackhead willing to break into a residence to get some quick cash is more more dangerous than an attorney doing coke to stay up and work on a merger agreement.  I don't care about color...you seem to be the one that keeps bringing that up. 

You are literally the only person who thinks it's not racist.  The only one.

WhyKnot: As for the justice system being racist...again, I don't believe it, I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.

No it's not you dipshiat.  It's an actual measurable definable thing.  This isn't opinion, you don't just ask your guy if racism is occurring.  You can look at actual facts and numbers and find an answer to this absolutely knowable thing.  That you think this cannot be defined or measured and is simply opinion based shows the true extent of your ignorance.


Show me said measurements...higher incarceration rates does not equal racism...higher incarceration rates can mean higher amount of crime being committed by such specified group.     Additionally, go back and look at my actual statement the first time...the system isn't racist...at times the application may be.
 
2014-01-30 05:49:19 PM  
lennavan:

CLICK THE PDF, WhyKnot.  CLICK IT!

clicked.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/30/justice/florida-zimmerman-defense

http://jonathanturley.org/2013/07/20/the-stand-your-ground-law-and-t he -zimmerman-trial/

There has been much to do about the inclusion of an instruction that "If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty." That is also found in many states though some states have different burdens of proof. That is not a reflection of SYG immunity but a state preference in self-defense cases generally. As noted above, the legislation that included the immunity provision also adopted the common law rule on self-defense. You have no duty of retreat in many states that do not have a formal SYG law. Many people who may not like the immunity provision (barring criminal prosecution) would likely support the common law rule that, once attacked, you do not have to flee in order to claim self-defense in the use of lethal force.  Note that in cases of non-lethal force, there is no such rule even in retreat states and, under the common law, you must still show that your use of lethal force was commensurate with the threat.

Moreover, the jury verdict seemed to reflect its view of the fact in relation to the main charge of the instructions (a standard charge) on self defense that a defendant is "justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself." That is a standard that is used in the same basic form by all states that I know of.



tl:dr?
that instruction is standard common law with respect to using deadly force to defend yourself, had nothing to do with SYG.

we good?   you now understand that SYG had nothing to do with Zimmerman/Martin?
 
2014-01-30 06:15:03 PM  

d23: Be on the lookout for some PERSON.

Idiot, sexist, submitter!


As a person, that offends me.
 
2014-01-30 06:17:04 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: lennavan: DROxINxTHExWIND:But, this is the first instance that I can recall this happening. Is this the first time that you've suggested that black people are responsible for black criminals?

/I'll wait for your answer
//Before you answer remember, Fark has an archive

I'm not suggesting black people are responsible for black criminals.  So no, this is not the first time because I have never done that.

lennavan: Dragonflew: So if "black" is coming up so often in the suspect description that multiple black groups are rallying to have it removed, do they want students instead to just assume the perp is black? I would like to know the actual ratio of black:white suspects, it has to be pretty high to cause an outcry like this.

I'd be interested to read their letter sent to the local African American community to suggest they stop committing crimes perpetuating the stereotype.  Oh wait.

You are not responsible for another black dude committing crimes.  When a bunch of people commit crimes and some of those people are black, if you're upset that sometimes crime alerts say "black man committed a crime" the stupidest solution you can possibly come up with is "lets stop reporting the skin color."  Rather than pretend it doesn't happen, an actual solution would be any attempt to reduce it happening.  Thus mocking their letter asking to cover this shiat up by suggesting they send a letter to actually reduce it.  Now, it's not their job nor is it their responsibility to do anything or say anything about it.  If these black groups simply said nothing, I would have nothing to say about them.  It's not their job or responsibility.  But if they, on their very own decide to make it their problem, then I'm going to criticize them if their solution is really farking stupid.  Not because it's their problem but because their solution is stupid.

If all you did was mock the letter we wouldn't be having this discussion.


The letter is just a symptom. Basically, it indicates that the efforts to get the ship righted have reached the quality of parody. This sounds like something that would come out of an incredibly uncomfortable and cringe-worthy SNL sketch.

I'm white. I've been profiled based on gender and age before. It sucks. What sucks more is that the age group that I was a part of and that the gender I am (teenage at the time, male always) commits most of the acts that the police were trying to prevent when I was profiled. It doesn't describe me, it describes my group.
 
2014-01-30 06:17:56 PM  
Take that to the next step, and girls who report crimes, like robbery or rape, shouldn't be allowed to tell police if the perp was male or female.  That would be sexist.

Sorry, but this is just a bunch of black "leaders" who want to cover up the fact that most of the crimes are being committed by blacks.  But covering up the facts isn't the solution.  Quit committing the crimes, and quit covering up for the crimes.

Being black doesn't make you a criminal.  But it also shouldn't mean that your crime is OK just because you are black.  Apparently, though, the local black leaders think that their job is to help black criminals get away with it.  Fark 'em.

There is also a "freedom of the press" thing going here, and the assholes at the various black organizations are taking a very clear "No Free Speech" stance that isn't likely to work out for them.
 
2014-01-30 06:22:02 PM  

WhyKnot: tl:dr?
that instruction is standard common law with respect to using deadly force to defend yourself, had nothing to do with SYG.

we good? you now understand that SYG had nothing to do with Zimmerman/Martin?


So the judge actually instructed the jury and used the phrase "stand his ground" but SYG had nothing to do with it.

OH MY GOD ARE YOU STUPID

lol
 
2014-01-30 06:27:11 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: tl:dr?
that instruction is standard common law with respect to using deadly force to defend yourself, had nothing to do with SYG.

we good? you now understand that SYG had nothing to do with Zimmerman/Martin?

So the judge actually instructed the jury and used the phrase "stand his ground" but SYG had nothing to do with it.

OH MY GOD ARE YOU STUPID

lol


did you even look at the links, or read the language that I provided?

maybe you are trying to imply so even though everyone knows SYG as the questionable law in Florida...you want to go ahead and play semantics and claim because the phrase 'stand his ground' appears in the instructions, that SYG ground was in play?     that is seriously a terrible troll.

if we are going to play the semantics game...the actual phrase "stand YOUR ground" doesn't appear, so SYG had nothing to do with it.

If you want to play, you have to play fair.
 
2014-01-30 06:43:26 PM  

WhyKnot: did you even look at the links, or read the language that I provided?


The judge instructed the jury that he had the right to "stand his ground."  There is absolutely no link in the world that can possibly counter that.  She actually used the phrase "stand his ground."  She actually instructed the jury to consider that.

You crazy.

WhyKnot: if we are going to play the semantics game...the actual phrase "stand YOUR ground" doesn't appear, so SYG had nothing to do with it.


This is what your argument is reduced to.  The judge said "stand HIS ground" and now you're arguing she used HIS instead of YOUR.

lol
 
2014-01-30 06:54:00 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: did you even look at the links, or read the language that I provided?

The judge instructed the jury that he had the right to "stand his ground."  There is absolutely no link in the world that can possibly counter that.  She actually used the phrase "stand his ground."  She actually instructed the jury to consider that.

You crazy.

WhyKnot: if we are going to play the semantics game...the actual phrase "stand YOUR ground" doesn't appear, so SYG had nothing to do with it.

This is what your argument is reduced to.  The judge said "stand HIS ground" and now you're arguing she used HIS instead of YOUR.

lol


Look dude, you are playing semantics...SYG as is commonly referred is an affirmative defense in certain jurisdictions (including Florida), it was not employed in the Zimmerman trial.  His defense was a pure self-defense claim.   the common law instruction, includes the language "stand his ground",  I am not denying that...but SYG as is commonly understood HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TRIAL OR HIS DEFENSE.

If you don't understand that concept, I am sorry, but that is the truth.
 
2014-01-30 06:59:11 PM  
I'm just amazed that campus security was describing the suspect/s as "black" in the first place.  I guess when there are actual stakes at play, the university is quick to drop their PC facade.

Up to this point, most the local news descriptions I've heard of these attacks have been of the "suspect has brown hair and brown eyes" variety.
 
2014-01-30 07:43:43 PM  

Mell of a Hess: Can I join any if I am Irish?  Black Irish?


Every Black Student Union I've seen has always accepted people of all races, genders, ethnicities, and without regard to religious beliefs or sexual orientation.

/But almost all of the membership is black or mixed raced with at least some black.  And a few fat blonde chicks.
 
2014-01-30 07:55:39 PM  
If the police are trying to find a suspect, race is one of the relevant factors. Once the suspect has been arrested, race is no longer relevant. It's one of the first things they teach you in journalism school.
 
2014-01-30 08:05:43 PM  

simkatu: And a few fat blonde chicks.


a few?
 
2014-01-30 08:48:07 PM  

signaljammer: Do those in this thread who imply that race isn't a continuum all hail from, like, rural Kansas?


Height is a continuum too, but I can tell the difference between "tall" and "short".
 
2014-01-30 08:52:01 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Banned on the Run: Question:  Do Canadian universities have African Canadian Studies programs?


Did Canadians have Jim Crow laws?


A victim card has been played!

Actually, I wasn't slamming the African American Studies programs.

Rephrased: If an African American moves to emigrates Canada, is he now "African Canadian"?
 
2014-01-30 08:53:21 PM  

lennavan: WhyKnot: 5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years. (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years. (White people tend to do powder)

WhyKnot: I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities

So crack users are 100 times more dangerous?  Let me guess, is it because... they're black?!  OH NOES SCARY BLACK PEOPLE

You are literally the only person who thinks it's not racist.  The only one.


WhyKnot is right.

Dealing crack cocaine was punished more severely because in the 1980s crack cocaine was believed to be uniquely destructive in poor black neighborhoods.  From The Sentencing Project.

Crack was portrayed as a violence inducing, highly addictive plague of inner cities, and this media spotlight led to the quick passage
of two federal sentencing laws concerning crack cocaine in 1986 and 1988.  The laws created a 100:1
quantity ratio between the amount of crack and powder cocaine needed to trigger certain
mandatory minimum sentences for trafficking, as well as creating a mandatory minimum penalty
for simple possession of crack cocaine. The result of these laws is that crack users and dealers
receive much harsher penalties than users and dealers of powder cocaine.


http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/sp/1003.pdf

You know who the document is referring to when it says "inner cities," right?

Here's a 1987 piece from the New York Times.

In the two years since crack first struck New York City's poorest neighborhoods, the powerful form of cocaine has taken an unprecedented toll on women, children and families, according to newly gathered statistics and interviews with drug treatment experts.
The rise of crack has been particularly devastating to children because, as crack has replaced heroin as the favorite hard drug among the young of the inner city, a far higher proportion of women have become addicts.
So many poor families are headed by single mothers that the sudden increase in women becoming crack addicts has caused disproportionate damage to families, experts say, and produced a rise last year in reports of child abuse, neglect and death linked to drug use by parents. The problem is reflected, too, in the growing number of ''boarder babies'' - infants, neglected or abandoned by their parents, who languish in the city's hospitals, awaiting foster homes.


http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/09/nyregion/crack-addiction-the-tragi c- toll-on-women-and-their-children.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

By all means, read the whole article.

That's what drove the sentencing differential.
 
2014-01-30 09:21:52 PM  

keypusher: lennavan: WhyKnot: 5 grams of crack cocaine gets you 5 years. (Black people tend to do crack)
500 grams of powder cocaine gets you 5 years. (White people tend to do powder)

WhyKnot: I see reports that the discrepancy is associated with the possible dangers that users pose to their respective communities

So crack users are 100 times more dangerous?  Let me guess, is it because... they're black?!  OH NOES SCARY BLACK PEOPLE

You are literally the only person who thinks it's not racist.  The only one.

WhyKnot is right.

Dealing crack cocaine was punished more severely because in the 1980s crack cocaine was believed to be uniquely destructive in poor black neighborhoods.  From The Sentencing Project.

Crack was portrayed as a violence inducing, highly addictive plague of inner cities, and this media spotlight led to the quick passage
of two federal sentencing laws concerning crack cocaine in 1986 and 1988.  The laws created a 100:1
quantity ratio between the amount of crack and powder cocaine needed to trigger certain
mandatory minimum sentences for trafficking, as well as creating a mandatory minimum penalty
for simple possession of crack cocaine. The result of these laws is that crack users and dealers
receive much harsher penalties than users and dealers of powder cocaine.

http://www.prisonpolicy.org/scans/sp/1003.pdf

You know who the document is referring to when it says "inner cities," right?

Here's a 1987 piece from the New York Times.

In the two years since crack first struck New York City's poorest neighborhoods, the powerful form of cocaine has taken an unprecedented toll on women, children and families, according to newly gathered statistics and interviews with drug treatment experts.
The rise of crack has been particularly devastating to children because, as crack has replaced heroin as the favorite hard drug among the young of the inner city, a far higher proportion of women have become addicts.
So many poor families are headed by single mothers that the sudden increase in women becoming crack addicts has caused disproportionate damage to families, experts say, and produced a rise last year in reports of child abuse, neglect and death linked to drug use by parents. The problem is reflected, too, in the growing number of ''boarder babies'' - infants, neglected or abandoned by their parents, who languish in the city's hospitals, awaiting foster homes.

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/02/09/nyregion/crack-addiction-the-tragi c- toll-on-women-and-their-children.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

By all means, read the whole article.

That's what drove the sentencing differential.


I would also question sentencing associated with crack and meth...that should be more of an apples to apples comparison when looking at the destructive nature and effect of the drug.
 
2014-01-30 10:12:14 PM  

keypusher: because in the 1980s crack cocaine was believed to be uniquely destructive in poor black neighborhoods

keypusher: You know who the document is referring to when it says "inner cities," right?

keypusher: inner city

I don't understand how you can read that and it doesn't scream racism to you.  For some reason, one that you will completely ignore, one form of cocaine was believed to be unique.

Have you ever taken a Chemistry class?  Because Chemistry can quickly weigh in pretty farking heavily here.  Tell me, what is the chemical difference between crack and powder cocaine?

Look, back in 1996 we had the farking answer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8918856

1996.  How can you not realize you just helped prove my point?
 
2014-01-30 10:59:37 PM  
So I just talked to the council of white men...seems you are right, totally a conspiracy to incarcerate the black man. If you could just keep they between the two of us, it would be appreciated.

But seriously, even your article, unless I read it wrong, says that crack is more addictive. Maybe as a result of its addictive nature, low cost, and ability to exacerbate criminal activity (feed the beast after all)...maybe that has to do with the 100 to 1 ratio.

Your study was a look at physiological effects, not societal. I like to learn, so please keep the information coming.
 
2014-01-31 12:34:25 AM  
If you're tired of being threatened when you see "Black" in a crime description...then...let's see...

..maybe tell your hoodrats to stop committing all the crimes?
 
2014-01-31 12:46:06 AM  

Fade2black: If you're tired of being threatened when you see "Black" in a crime description...then...let's see...

..maybe tell your hoodrats to stop committing all the crimes?


What leads you to believe that the law abiding college students:

A: Came from the hood?
B: Know any hoodrats?
C: If either of the above were true, what leads you to believe that the hoodrats would listen?
 
2014-01-31 02:04:00 AM  

orangehat: What leads you to believe that the law abiding college students:


This isn't about law abiding college students, it's about crimes that were committed and trying to pretend that giving a description of the criminal is racist.
 
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