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(The American Prospect)   "You'd think if there's anything we Americans would be good at, it's executions. So why can't we come up with a reliable and painless way to kill a man?"   (prospect.org) divider line 160
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2014-01-30 11:52:12 AM
A the daily execution thread. In before the Fark Redneck Bloodthirsty Pro-death BrigadeTM
 
2014-01-30 11:52:32 AM
A lot of the pro life Christians I've spoken to on this issue seem to rather enjoy the prospect of watching someone suffer while being executed. They tell me that it's revenge for what was inflicted on the victims.
 
2014-01-30 12:02:51 PM
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2014-01-30 12:07:49 PM
Dynamite vests are quick and painless.
 
2014-01-30 12:08:34 PM

Weaver95: A lot of the pro life Christians I've spoken to on this issue seem to rather enjoy the prospect of watching someone suffer while being executed. They tell me that it's revenge for what was inflicted on the victims.


Jesus loved him some torture.
 
2014-01-30 12:24:33 PM
It's already there. Death by laughing gas is not an option.
 
2014-01-30 12:28:43 PM
A boatload of dilaudid and versed is painless. It's just the whole watching someone die of anoxia and hypercarbia that we don't like.
 
2014-01-30 12:28:59 PM

Weaver95: A lot of the pro life Christians I've spoken to on this issue seem to rather enjoy the prospect of watching someone suffer while being executed. They tell me that it's revenge for what was inflicted on the victims.


Then they should have no problems with crucifixion?
 
2014-01-30 12:30:17 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: It's already there. Death by laughing gas is not an option.


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Mmmm?  Go on, fella...
 
2014-01-30 12:41:40 PM
Although I'm ambivalent about the whole capital punishment thing, I have to say the spectrum of Kind of Execution probably doesn't include "Good." Except for maybe smothered under a pyramid of naked Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders... there's that ambivalence rearing its head again.
 
2014-01-30 12:42:39 PM
Helium FTW
 
2014-01-30 12:44:36 PM

cman: Helium FTW


Yuup
 
2014-01-30 12:44:44 PM
Aren't slaughterhouse Rabbis supposed to kill animals painlessly as part of the whole kosher thing?
 
2014-01-30 12:45:06 PM
I don't think there is a painless, humane way to kill someone.
 
2014-01-30 12:46:15 PM

cman: Helium FTW


No, He is expensive and fairly rare.  It's also critical to a lot of equipment that needs liquid He temperatures.

Pure nitrogen is just as effective.
 
2014-01-30 12:47:30 PM
It's been shown that noble gases can do the job effectively and painlessly, but there is a large part of the population who aren't just interested in removing someone from society; they bust a nut on the idea of them suffering as well.
 
2014-01-30 12:48:25 PM
This is how I know the vet is full of shiat when they say putting a dog to sleep is painless and the dog doesn't feel it. My dog was well aware something awful was happening. :(
 
2014-01-30 12:48:42 PM

Bourbonman: Aren't slaughterhouse Rabbis supposed to kill animals painlessly as part of the whole kosher thing?


Somehow, I don't think a cow is thinking happy thoughts as its throat is slit with a razor.
 
2014-01-30 12:49:05 PM

Mugato: A the daily execution thread. In before the Fark Redneck Bloodthirsty Pro-death BrigadeTM


It beats being pro-murdering unborn children.  At least we want to kill goblins instead of the innocent
 
2014-01-30 12:49:27 PM
I'm unclear as to why, if the State is going to kill a man, it should be painless? This is, after all , about retribution. No need to dress it up to assuage the squeamish. Own it from the terror in their eyes to the agonizing shrieks to that final satisfying shudder as that final breath sighs from the body.
 
2014-01-30 12:49:53 PM

Mobutu: I don't think there is a painless, humane way to kill someone.


A bullet to the back of the head is probably the most humane, honestly. They would never feel anything other than terror from the anticipation of being shot, but apparently that's considered 'cruel and unusual'.
 
2014-01-30 12:51:14 PM

Mobutu: I don't think there is a painless, humane way to kill someone.


Actually, the method Ohio just used is - it's just visually unpleasant. It's more humane than the method used to put down your family pet, since it adds an Opiate pain control agent to the benzodiazapine sedative, and both are given in amounts that are above even the anesthesia induction doses - beyond the lethal doses for both agents without someone providing respiratory support.

However, it's not pleasant for the witnesses, as they literally have to watch someone who - although they are completely unaware - is suffocating to death. The witness impression of execution was the whole reason for the Pentobarb-Pavulon-Potassium method they used in the past - the Pentobarb alone was enough to cause total circulatory collapse and respiratory arrest. The pavulon was added to prevent the agonal gasping that occurs, and the potassium was used to hasten death rather than having them to lay there suffocating.
 
2014-01-30 12:53:33 PM

rzrwiresunrise: I'm unclear as to why, if the State is going to kill a man, it should be painless? This is, after all , about retribution. No need to dress it up to assuage the squeamish. Own it from the terror in their eyes to the agonizing shrieks to that final satisfying shudder as that final breath sighs from the body.


Constatution bans cruel and unusal punishment.  Torture is also illegal.  It goes back to a 18th century idea that the purpose of an execution should not be to cause suffering, but rather, to end life.  Thus, it should do that as quickly and reliably as possible.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:23 PM
Nitrogen asphyxiation in a pleasant waiting lounge with a big comfy recliner, a bowl of chicken wings, game playing on the flatscreen....

Close the door, and quietly flood the room with N2. Easy-peasy.
 
2014-01-30 12:56:17 PM
Full anesthesia then a firing squad?
 
2014-01-30 12:56:59 PM

Antimatter: rzrwiresunrise: I'm unclear as to why, if the State is going to kill a man, it should be painless? This is, after all , about retribution. No need to dress it up to assuage the squeamish. Own it from the terror in their eyes to the agonizing shrieks to that final satisfying shudder as that final breath sighs from the body.

Constatution bans cruel and unusal punishment.  Torture is also illegal.  It goes back to a 18th century idea that the purpose of an execution should not be to cause suffering, but rather, to end life.  Thus, it should do that as quickly and reliably as possible.


Premeditated homicide, no matter how painless, is cruel if the victim desires not to die.

Did I not hyperbole enough for the facetious effect?
 
2014-01-30 12:57:18 PM
The guillotine seemed to work well 200+ years ago.
 
2014-01-30 12:58:47 PM
FTFA:
"Which leads me to ask this. It's the 21st century. We can build skyscrapers a kilometer high."

A kilometer? Can't be an American writing this article...
 
2014-01-30 12:59:58 PM
You'd think if there's anything we Americans would be good at, it's executions. So why can't we come up with a reliable and painless way to kill a man?"

Because everyone involved mucks it up trying to be politically correct, fend off assorted anti-execution organizations, poor media stories and pressures from religious groups as well as Civil Rights.

The simplest and least painful way I can think of is a massive direct vein injection of tranquilizers to knock the subject out. A short period of time later, to make sure the prisoner is unconscious, a massive dose of a common medication used to stop the heart.

Dr. Kevorkian developed the suicide kit for patients unwilling to spend their last weeks, months or years slowly and painfully dying from terminal cancer. So simple that the hardest part was setting up the IV drip. Once activated, the patient basically drifted off into a mellow sleep that gently turned into death within an hour.
I never did like the current process of injecting a massive dose of the medication that locks all of the voluntary muscles, followed immediately by a massive dose of a tranquilizer, which is then immediately followed by the heart stopping medication.

The tranquilizer should be first. That should knock the person out, so he doesn't get to experience the effect of finding himself 'locked' in an immobile body -- where some versions actually knock out the respiratory system so he gets to experience the start of suffocation. The heart stopping medication has been known to be painful when administered in such a huge dosage. Time intervals should be scheduled between injections to give the medications time to work.

Fear can resist and delay a huge amount of tranquilizers, meaning the paralyzed patient gets to lay there and feel the liquid fire of the last drug enter his system, while starting to experience suffocation.

Ever inadvertantly grabbed a live electrical wire? Unpleasant isn't it? Magnify that by about 1000 and you probably have the electric chair. I've read of incidents where prisoners have had to be zapped a couple of times to kill them.

Still, it's better than the Gas Chamber, which basically suffocates the prisoner. Death by Cyanide is not a pleasant way to go.

Poking a stone cold killer, like the Night Stalker, in prison for life where he'll get 3 hots and a cot, medical care, probably find ways to kill or injure guards or other prisoners and cost millions to house him is not acceptable. Poke him in solitary confinement and you rouse the ire of Human Rights activists for cruel and inhuman treatment.

Though, everyone tends to forget about the horrors he inflicted on the people he killed. Plus he will have the ability to file assorted lawsuits against anyone for any reasons, each of which will have to be examined, studied and rejected, tying up the expensive court system.

Other methods of execution tend to be rather bloody and executioners are hard to find. Even hanging is not considered humane, because done wrong and the prisoner can slowly strangle to death or the head can pop off. Done right, the neck breaks, causing an internal decapitation, which shuts down the body and knocks the prisoner out at the same time.

The only fool proof way of a painless execution would be to secure the prisoner to a nuke and detonate it. All sorts of people would have a problem with that.

Well, a shotgun under the chin works well also, but the mess afterwards is ghastly. The pressure from the charge follows the shot into the skull, usually acting kind of like a stick of dynamite. There might not be much left, aside from what would be scattered about the walls and ceiling.
 
2014-01-30 01:00:17 PM

Weaver95: A lot of the pro life Christians I've spoken to on this issue seem to rather enjoy the prospect of watching someone suffer while being executed. They tell me that it's revenge for what was inflicted on the victims.


I'm sure you spend a great deal of time in meaningful conversation with pro life Christians
 
2014-01-30 01:01:05 PM
Carbon monoxide while they sleep. Extremely cheap to make and distribute.
 
2014-01-30 01:01:08 PM
Why not massive heroin overdose?
 
2014-01-30 01:02:08 PM

s2s2s2: Why not massive heroin overdose?


That's essentially what they're doing in Ohio. They're using on the order of one hundred milligrams of Dilaudid, which is equivilant to giving someone a gram of morphine IV. (1mg Dilaudid = 10mg Morphine)
 
2014-01-30 01:04:46 PM

Rik01: I never did like the current process of injecting a massive dose of the medication that locks all of the voluntary muscles, followed immediately by a massive dose of a tranquilizer, which is then immediately followed by the heart stopping medication.


Actually, they gave beyond a lethal dose of Pentobarb before they gave the Pavulon. Unfortunately, like you said, if the vein was bad or if they were in a heightened state of anxiety, it takes longer than the 30 seconds they would give the person before giving pavulon.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:11 PM
Alternatively, we could just do what all of the civilized countries have done and stop executing people.
 
2014-01-30 01:06:17 PM
Bullet to the back of the head. Consciousness gone, body dead immediately.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:11 PM
Death. By snoo-snoo.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:31 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: I'm sure you spend a great deal of time in meaningful conversation with pro life Christians


Weaver is ex-republican, FYI.  I see no reason why he wouldn't have family and friends that shared his previous beliefs(not that he was ever pro-life).
 
2014-01-30 01:07:57 PM

cman: Helium FTW


Geesh, give the executed some dignity and use pure Nitrogen instead.

Why do you want his final pleas of 'Help me! Help me!" to come out like a squeaky clown?
 
2014-01-30 01:08:22 PM
Life doesn't like to be snuffed out, and I don't think it's possible to invent an entirely, reliably discomfort free method. But we'll keep looking, because we are conflicted. A majority of Americans still support the DP - but they don't have the stomach for it.
They don't want to actually see what is on the end of that long, newspaper spoon. They want it sterilized and made "clean" for them.
 
2014-01-30 01:09:24 PM
Because a lot of prodeath penalty people don't want painless death?
 
2014-01-30 01:09:42 PM
Im against the death penalty, but firing squad is pretty quick and painless.
 
2014-01-30 01:10:23 PM

Weaver95: A lot of the pro life Christians I've spoken to on this issue seem to rather enjoy the prospect of watching someone suffer while being executed. They tell me that it's revenge for what was inflicted on the victims.


Jesus was all about revenge.
 
2014-01-30 01:11:38 PM

phimuskapsi: Mobutu: I don't think there is a painless, humane way to kill someone.

A bullet to the back of the head is probably the most humane, honestly. They would never feel anything other than terror from the anticipation of being shot, but apparently that's considered 'cruel and unusual'.


bioguide.congress.gov

Is it?
 
2014-01-30 01:11:53 PM

vernonFL: Im against the death penalty, but firing squad is pretty quick and painless.


How about forced suicide? we could f*cking televise it, and all the bloodthirsty masses can pretend they aren't responsible in any way.
 
2014-01-30 01:12:34 PM

vernonFL: Im against the death penalty, but firing squad is pretty quick and painless.


Yeah, but then you'd need numerous people who'd be okay with killing a defenseless person for money, all of whom are relatively good riflemen(or women).  It's not a tall order, but its relatively expensive to maintain a force that large for the occasional execution.
 
2014-01-30 01:13:26 PM

jso2897: Life doesn't like to be snuffed out, and I don't think it's possible to invent an entirely, reliably discomfort free method.



Well, there's the whole high-explosive helmet idea.  Disintegrating the entire head at velocity exceeding that of nerve conduction is probably pretty discomfort free...

...for the victim.

Nightmare fuel for the janitor.
 
2014-01-30 01:14:02 PM
We get beat by the French in this category
 
2014-01-30 01:14:31 PM

Weaver95: A lot of the pro life Christians I've spoken to on this issue seem to rather enjoy the prospect of watching someone suffer while being executed. They tell me that it's revenge for what was inflicted on the victims.


Funny how seldom you meet a Christian Christian, isn't it?

Executions are barbaric, and people in favor of them are barbarians.
 
2014-01-30 01:15:00 PM
Oh, hey, here's a good idea. How about instead of worrying about how we execute, we worry about the time between the verdict and the execution date. Sure, there's that little thing with appeals and the slim chance that maybe the criminal didn't do what he's accused of, but if you streamline all of that, there's about a good ten year wait. That ain't justice. That's pussyfooting. The prison population is getting larger all the time, and unless someone invents a way to shoot hardened criminals into space, I'd say the states that continue to cling to the blood sport that is the death penalty should either start following through or just give up the charade.

/looking especially at you, Virginia
 
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