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(CNN)   CNN, forgetting that the world extends north of II-285, analyzes what other cities might learn from Atlanta about how to handle 2" of snow   (cnn.com) divider line 123
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2014-01-30 07:53:56 AM
Those Atlanta folks just need to get boot strappy and overcome their "disaster" on their own.
 
2014-01-30 09:29:35 AM
Our Atlanta office is closed today. Again.

Meanwhile, our area is in the midst of one of its coldest, snowiest winters in 100 years and our office hasn't been closed one day this winter.

Way to go, ATL. Remind me to never go into battle with you people.
 
2014-01-30 09:57:43 AM
Two inches of snow?! Oh my stars!
 
2014-01-30 09:58:07 AM
What a stupid headline. There is lots to learn from the way Atlanta screwed up.
 
2014-01-30 09:58:38 AM

sigdiamond2000: Our Atlanta office is closed today. Again.

Meanwhile, our area is in the midst of one of its coldest, snowiest winters in 100 years and our office hasn't been closed one day this winter.

Way to go, ATL. Remind me to never go into battle with you people.


Ha!
 
2014-01-30 09:58:47 AM
Not defending incompetence, however places who do not deal with any snow are a lot less equipped than those that do.
 
2014-01-30 09:58:48 AM

sigdiamond2000: Our Atlanta office is closed today. Again.

Meanwhile, our area is in the midst of one of its coldest, snowiest winters in 100 years and our office hasn't been closed one day this winter.

Way to go, ATL. Remind me to never go into battle with you people.


Yea, in a fight with Atlanta, I hear you can just march straight through.
 
2014-01-30 09:58:52 AM
Meanwhile, Birmingham is screwed even worse, but they don't have a CNN to prattle on about the injustices suffered by CNN reporters and producers.  These victims had to eat at the Waffle House!  You people don't understand the horrors.
 
2014-01-30 09:59:32 AM
It's the South. They whine.
 
2014-01-30 09:59:32 AM
I'm surprised they didn't already know to pretreat their roads before a winter storm. Raleigh was paralyzed by a similar event back in 2005; after that our road crews pretreat the roads any time the forecast is for snow, even if it's supposed to be light. Better safe than see a repeat of that mess again.
 
2014-01-30 10:00:16 AM

Rapmaster2000: Meanwhile, Birmingham is screwed even worse, but they don't have a CNN to prattle on about the injustices suffered by CNN reporters and producers.  These victims had to eat at the Waffle House!  You people don't understand the horrors.


Who cares about Birmingham. Been there and it sucks.
 
2014-01-30 10:02:36 AM

sigdiamond2000: Our Atlanta office is closed today. Again.

Meanwhile, our area is in the midst of one of its coldest, snowiest winters in 100 years and our office hasn't been closed one day this winter.

Way to go, ATL. Remind me to never go into battle with you people.


This is why the South will never rise again.  Also, the obesity.
 
2014-01-30 10:02:39 AM

jwookie: Rapmaster2000: Meanwhile, Birmingham is screwed even worse, but they don't have a CNN to prattle on about the injustices suffered by CNN reporters and producers.  These victims had to eat at the Waffle House!  You people don't understand the horrors.

Who cares about Birmingham. Been there and it sucks.


They had an apocalypse but nobody noticed.
 
2014-01-30 10:03:21 AM
It goes west, as well, tardmitter.

California is experiencing it's worst drought in decades. You know, California? The world's 8th largest economy? The place where 12% of the population lives? You'd never know it by watching any national broadcast,  but OOOOHHHHMYYYYGOOOOOODDDDD, ITS SNOWING IN NEW YORK IN JANUARY HOLY FARK!
 
2014-01-30 10:05:03 AM

Bendal: I'm surprised they didn't already know to pretreat their roads before a winter storm. Raleigh was paralyzed by a similar event back in 2005; after that our road crews pretreat the roads any time the forecast is for snow, even if it's supposed to be light. Better safe than see a repeat of that mess again.


It's not really cost effective to purchase the salt and trucks (and maintain them) and only really use them once every 10 years or so.
 
2014-01-30 10:06:09 AM

Anayalator: OOOOHHHHMYYYYGOOOOOODDDDD, ITS SNOWING IN NEW YORK IN JANUARY HOLY FARK!


Weather isn't weather until it hits the east coast. That's Weather Channel 101 sh*t.
 
2014-01-30 10:08:19 AM

Anayalator: It goes west, as well, tardmitter.

California is experiencing it's worst drought in decades. You know, California? The world's 8th largest economy? The place where 12% of the population lives? You'd never know it by watching any national broadcast,  but OOOOHHHHMYYYYGOOOOOODDDDD, ITS SNOWING IN NEW YORK IN JANUARY HOLY FARK!


Sucks when you try to engineer the economy and subsidize the cost of water in an area that doesn't get a whole lot of rain.
 
2014-01-30 10:09:19 AM

MugzyBrown: Bendal: I'm surprised they didn't already know to pretreat their roads before a winter storm. Raleigh was paralyzed by a similar event back in 2005; after that our road crews pretreat the roads any time the forecast is for snow, even if it's supposed to be light. Better safe than see a repeat of that mess again.

It's not really cost effective to purchase the salt and trucks (and maintain them) and only really use them once every 10 years or so.


wut
 
2014-01-30 10:10:27 AM

MugzyBrown: Anayalator: It goes west, as well, tardmitter.

California is experiencing it's worst drought in decades. You know, California? The world's 8th largest economy? The place where 12% of the population lives? You'd never know it by watching any national broadcast,  but OOOOHHHHMYYYYGOOOOOODDDDD, ITS SNOWING IN NEW YORK IN JANUARY HOLY FARK!

Sucks when you try to engineer the economy and subsidize the cost of water in an area that doesn't get a whole lot of rain.


Easy solution: Saw off the southern half just below Santa Barbara.
 
2014-01-30 10:10:56 AM

probesport: Not defending incompetence, however places who do not deal with any snow are a lot less equipped than those that do.


Those of us who are equipped would gladly send down help.  You know, like when there's an ice storm and the power company gets crews from neighboring states to help repair the lines.  The only problem is that we're dealing with 2 feet of snow, subzero temps and 20 -30 mph winds gusting to 40.  So we really don't have anything to spare right now.  I'm not certain about this but I think that school kids in our area have had more snow days than school days since the Christmas Break.

So, while we feel for our Southern Brethren, we just can't reach them.
 
2014-01-30 10:11:26 AM
6" on the ground here this AM.  Know what we call it?  Thursday.  Seriously, two inches and a disaster?

The average IQ and depth of snow match it would seem.

Really, come to where we have winter, get some education on snow....
 
2014-01-30 10:14:22 AM

bmwericus: 6" on the ground here this AM.  Know what we call it?  Thursday.  Seriously, two inches and a disaster?

The average IQ and depth of snow match it would seem.

Really, come to where we have winter, get some education on snow....


Garrison Keillor once postulated that when the snowbirds from Minnesota go south for the winter, the average intelligence in both places is improved.
 
2014-01-30 10:14:34 AM

bmwericus: 6" on the ground here this AM.  Know what we call it?  Thursday.  Seriously, two inches and a disaster?

The average IQ and depth of snow match it would seem.

Really, come to where we have winter, get some education on snow....


New Jersey got 5 inches. Here are your geniuses:

cdn.newsday.com
 
2014-01-30 10:15:10 AM

Anayalator: It goes west, as well, tardmitter.

California is experiencing it's worst drought in decades. You know, California? The world's 8th largest economy? The place where 12% of the population lives? You'd never know it by watching any national broadcast,  but OOOOHHHHMYYYYGOOOOOODDDDD, ITS SNOWING IN NEW YORK IN JANUARY HOLY FARK!


quit whining.  I've seen plenty about your farking drought.  Enjoy the water you get from us.  It will flow to you eventually.
 
2014-01-30 10:15:43 AM

Fista-Phobia: MugzyBrown: Bendal: I'm surprised they didn't already know to pretreat their roads before a winter storm. Raleigh was paralyzed by a similar event back in 2005; after that our road crews pretreat the roads any time the forecast is for snow, even if it's supposed to be light. Better safe than see a repeat of that mess again.

It's not really cost effective to purchase the salt and trucks (and maintain them) and only really use them once every 10 years or so.

wut


Salt is very difficult to maintain, what with the pretzel weasels and all.
 
2014-01-30 10:16:05 AM
heard over the radio:

I'm just surprised the Invisible Hand of the Free Market hasn't sweeped the bootstrappy streets of Atlanta clean.
 
2014-01-30 10:16:22 AM
Bless their hearts.
 
2014-01-30 10:18:00 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Fista-Phobia: MugzyBrown: Bendal: I'm surprised they didn't already know to pretreat their roads before a winter storm. Raleigh was paralyzed by a similar event back in 2005; after that our road crews pretreat the roads any time the forecast is for snow, even if it's supposed to be light. Better safe than see a repeat of that mess again.

It's not really cost effective to purchase the salt and trucks (and maintain them) and only really use them once every 10 years or so.

wut

Salt is very difficult to maintain, what with the pretzel weasels and all.


From the article:

Myers, who is originally from Buffalo, New York, said streets there are salted well in advance of a coming storm. But Atlanta doesn't have the capacity for that kind of treatment.
"We simply have never purchased the amount of equipment necessary," he said. "Why would you in a city that gets one snow event every three years? Why would you buy 500 snowplows and salt trucks and have them sit around for 1,000 days, waiting for the next event?"
 
2014-01-30 10:18:32 AM
Obviously the CNN needs to get out more.
What, they won't fly either?
 
2014-01-30 10:19:07 AM

pueblonative: heard over the radio:

I'm just surprised the Invisible Hand of the Free Market hasn't sweeped the bootstrappy streets of Atlanta clean.


Because it's probably illegal for a private plow to clear public roads and even if it wasn't, they wouldn't be able to bill the state/city for their time.


Does that explain it, you dope?
 
2014-01-30 10:20:16 AM

MugzyBrown: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Fista-Phobia: MugzyBrown: Bendal: I'm surprised they didn't already know to pretreat their roads before a winter storm. Raleigh was paralyzed by a similar event back in 2005; after that our road crews pretreat the roads any time the forecast is for snow, even if it's supposed to be light. Better safe than see a repeat of that mess again.

It's not really cost effective to purchase the salt and trucks (and maintain them) and only really use them once every 10 years or so.

wut

Salt is very difficult to maintain, what with the pretzel weasels and all.

From the article:

Myers, who is originally from Buffalo, New York, said streets there are salted well in advance of a coming storm. But Atlanta doesn't have the capacity for that kind of treatment.
"We simply have never purchased the amount of equipment necessary," he said. "Why would you in a city that gets one snow event every three years? Why would you buy 500 snowplows and salt trucks and have them sit around for 1,000 days, waiting for the next event?"


Because you need to get that money back from Al and buy some trucks.
This winter is only 1/2 over.
And after another year of Global Warming, just wait for next year.
 
2014-01-30 10:21:24 AM

NFA: Those Atlanta folks just need to get boot strappy and overcome their "disaster" on their own.


When do the FEMA trailers get there?
 
2014-01-30 10:23:08 AM

pueblonative: heard over the radio:

I'm just surprised the Invisible Hand of the Free Market hasn't sweeped the bootstrappy streets of Atlanta clean.


Salt actually goes bad. They have to replace it on a yearly basis. That's why when they order too little you get screwed by late season snow storms.

The issue is that after a year the salt absorbs moisture, giving it the same consitency as concrete, making is unusuable.

In addition, Atlanta doesn't have great drainage, since they never worred about water freezing.
It's still smarter to spend the money solving the "we don't live near a water source" issue than to treat the roads for a problem that occures once every 50 years.
 
2014-01-30 10:25:07 AM
Of course as someone put it. Which Atlanta.  The City, or the Atlanta area which has around 60 mayors in it.
 
2014-01-30 10:25:47 AM
To be fair, here in Boise it turns into Mad Max after 1" of snow.  Mostly because people are stupid here.  They think that 4-wheel drive means they can stop faster as well.
 
2014-01-30 10:26:24 AM
The South will rise again!*


*Weather permitting.
 
2014-01-30 10:27:07 AM

MugzyBrown: "We simply have never purchased the amount of equipment necessary," he said. "Why would you in a city that gets one snow event every three years? Why would you buy 500 snowplows and salt trucks and have them sit around for 1,000 days, waiting for the next event?"


It's probably more cost effective than having a disaster every three years. At least get the salt, if not the plows. 2 inches of snow doesn't really require plows.
 
2014-01-30 10:28:37 AM

cwolf20: Of course as someone put it. Which Atlanta.  The City, or the Atlanta area which has around 60 mayors in it.


Yeah, I read that article too. It still doesn't make any sense. You can say the same thing about any large metropolitan area in the country. Why is Atlanta different?
 
2014-01-30 10:28:49 AM

MugzyBrown: pueblonative: heard over the radio:

I'm just surprised the Invisible Hand of the Free Market hasn't sweeped the bootstrappy streets of Atlanta clean.

Because it's probably illegal for a private plow to clear public roads and even if it wasn't, they wouldn't be able to bill the state/city for their time.


Does that explain it, you dope?


static1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-30 10:31:55 AM
Well, if Atlanta ever gets 4" of snow, I going to rush on down there, with a trailer and load it up with your stuff.  Don't look at me that way, you'll all be dead and won't be needing it anymore.  Why let nice things go to waste.  It not looting, it's salvaging, there's a big difference.
 
2014-01-30 10:33:44 AM

gfid: Anayalator: It goes west, as well, tardmitter.

California is experiencing it's worst drought in decades. You know, California? The world's 8th largest economy? The place where 12% of the population lives? You'd never know it by watching any national broadcast,  but OOOOHHHHMYYYYGOOOOOODDDDD, ITS SNOWING IN NEW YORK IN JANUARY HOLY FARK!

quit whining.  I've seen plenty about your farking drought.  Enjoy the water you get from us.  It will flow to you eventually.


I don't know who  us is, but I can pretty much guarantee that we paid good Mexicans to get your water. Enjoy your mowed lawn.

/I keed. I keed.
//Mexican
 
2014-01-30 10:34:50 AM

sigdiamond2000: cwolf20: Of course as someone put it. Which Atlanta.  The City, or the Atlanta area which has around 60 mayors in it.

Yeah, I read that article too. It still doesn't make any sense. You can say the same thing about any large metropolitan area in the country. Why is Atlanta different?


It's somewhat of an extreme case.  Atlanta has about 443K people and the metro as around 6.3M people.  It's rare that the largest city in a metro is only 7% of its population.  I can't think of a metro where the largest city doesn't at least contain a third of the population.  Perhaps Miami which is also pretty small compared to its suburbs.

The other extreme is a place like Jacksonville where pretty much everybody lives in the city of Jacksonville.
 
2014-01-30 10:35:09 AM

MugzyBrown: pueblonative: heard over the radio:

I'm just surprised the Invisible Hand of the Free Market hasn't sweeped the bootstrappy streets of Atlanta clean.

Because it's probably illegal for a private plow to clear public roads and even if it wasn't, they wouldn't be able to bill the state/city for their time.


Does that explain it, you dope?


How dare you call that moron a dope, show some respect!
 
2014-01-30 10:37:04 AM

sweetmelissa31: MugzyBrown: "We simply have never purchased the amount of equipment necessary," he said. "Why would you in a city that gets one snow event every three years? Why would you buy 500 snowplows and salt trucks and have them sit around for 1,000 days, waiting for the next event?"

It's probably more cost effective than having a disaster every three years. At least get the salt, if not the plows. 2 inches of snow doesn't really require plows.


Yeah, sand & salt. I'm sure the Atlanta DPW has enough dump trucks that it could afix salt spreaders to and get the main roads cleared and/or treated.
 
2014-01-30 10:40:16 AM

Rapmaster2000: It's somewhat of an extreme case. Atlanta has about 443K people and the metro as around 6.3M people. It's rare that the largest city in a metro is only 7% of its population.


I would assume, therefore, that the majority of the population commutes and commutes by car. That would be an underlying structural problem: too many people on the road who can't drive in difficult conditions.
 
2014-01-30 10:42:13 AM

Rapmaster2000: I can't think of a metro where the largest city doesn't at least contain a third of the population.


Detroit.

And they don't have public transportation either, which is another one of the excuses that seems to be popular regarding the ATL clusterf*ck.
 
2014-01-30 10:47:18 AM
It doesn't help that umpteen suburbanites couldn't figure out that they should use random streets so as to avoid the freeway traps.
 
2014-01-30 10:47:37 AM

sigdiamond2000: Rapmaster2000: I can't think of a metro where the largest city doesn't at least contain a third of the population.

Detroit.

And they don't have public transportation either, which is another one of the excuses that seems to be popular regarding the ATL clusterf*ck.


Philadelphia is about 27% of the population of the 'metro area'
 
2014-01-30 10:48:34 AM

Mr. Right: probesport: Not defending incompetence, however places who do not deal with any snow are a lot less equipped than those that do.

Those of us who are equipped would gladly send down help.  You know, like when there's an ice storm and the power company gets crews from neighboring states to help repair the lines.  The only problem is that we're dealing with 2 feet of snow, subzero temps and 20 -30 mph winds gusting to 40.  So we really don't have anything to spare right now.  I'm not certain about this but I think that school kids in our area have had more snow days than school days since the Christmas Break.

So, while we feel for our Southern Brethren, we just can't reach them.



Well, at least something good came out of all this. I'm sure the kids are happy.
 
2014-01-30 10:50:01 AM

sigdiamond2000: Rapmaster2000: I can't think of a metro where the largest city doesn't at least contain a third of the population.

Detroit.

And they don't have public transportation either, which is another one of the excuses that seems to be popular regarding the ATL clusterf*ck.


I think you'll agree that 23% is quite a bit larger than 7%.  I think you understand that it's a problem of regionalism and it's not going away because it's not worth it to anyone to solve it.  How would you even know it was solved if it only happens about once every 20 years?  When next Iceapacalypse occurs the current governor will likely be dead.
 
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