Diogenes: My doctor is Syrian and he's beside himself. His folks are still there and he can't get them out. They keep a low profile and their mouths shut, but clearly that's of limited effectiveness.
grumpyoldmann: Kind of like the Israelies when they get pissed.
YixilTesiphon: Diogenes: My doctor is Syrian and he's beside himself. His folks are still there and he can't get them out. They keep a low profile and their mouths shut, but clearly that's of limited effectiveness.If the US wanted to help, it would accept refugees. Taking sides seems like a terrible idea.
MelGoesOnTour: //Disclosure: I am a Zionist.Shhh! You looking to start a Zion/Anti-Zion war?!
Nesher: These are not meant as rhetorical questions. I'm seriously not sure what we ought to be doing here.I'm also asking for a serious thoughtful discussion on Fark, so I guess I'm a doofus.
Pangea: Nesher: These are not meant as rhetorical questions. I'm seriously not sure what we ought to be doing here.I'm also asking for a serious thoughtful discussion on Fark, so I guess I'm a doofus.Well you'll have a hard time getting much of value from me, because Fark has taught me that Obama is an Imperialist, Anti-Colonialist who has shown he hates the troops because he wanted to bring them home from the Middle-East.There are tragedies going on everywhere. We can't stop them all. If we really cared to help from an genuine position of altruism, we'd be involved in the craziness going on in Africa.I've repeatedly been told that isolationism has never worked, but I honestly feel like we should be helping the less fortunate in the US before spending more money overseas. Sovereign nations are supposed to be sovereign.
Nesher: are we (Americans, and all free people of good will in the world) obligated to step in and try to stop the Assad government's actions?
Diogenes: A large complicating factor is that it's hard to establish and stick to a long term plan given shifting ideological emphasis, leadership, and fortunes at home.
mark12A: "Wiping entire neighborhoods off the map is not a legitimate tactic of war," said Ole Solvang, emergencies researcher for HRW. "Oh yes it is:[www.dw.de image 330x244]As nasty as it is, THIS is how you win.Assad will win, because he's ruthless. WE would have won in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we were this ruthless. Instead of Iraq and Afghanistan being reborn as tolerant, free democratic societies, they will continue to fester in misery for years to come. All because we ain't got the balls no more to beat our opponents into total, abject, bloody submission.
DrPainMD: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x325]Approves.
Brick-House: Fighting wars the old fashion way -- crushing, killing, destroying everything. I am not a fan of the Syrian government, but they are playing to win.
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