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2014-01-30 09:20:41 AM
My doctor is Syrian and he's beside himself.  His folks are still there and he can't get them out.  They keep a low profile and their mouths shut, but clearly that's of limited effectiveness.
 
2014-01-30 10:04:34 AM
Fighting wars the old fashion way -- crushing, killing, destroying everything. I am not a fan of the Syrian government, but they are playing to win.
 
2014-01-30 10:05:09 AM
Kind of like the Israelies when they get pissed.
 
2014-01-30 10:08:31 AM
War's brutal, yo.
 
2014-01-30 10:09:40 AM
www.nostate.com
 
2014-01-30 10:10:33 AM
"Wiping entire neighborhoods off the map is not a legitimate tactic of war," said Ole Solvang, emergencies researcher for HRW. "

Oh yes it is:

www.dw.de
As nasty as it is, THIS is how you win.

Assad will win, because he's ruthless. WE would have won in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we were this ruthless. Instead of Iraq and Afghanistan being reborn as tolerant, free democratic societies, they will continue to fester in misery for years to come. All because we ain't got the balls no more to beat our opponents into total, abject, bloody submission.
 
2014-01-30 10:12:43 AM

Diogenes: My doctor is Syrian and he's beside himself.  His folks are still there and he can't get them out.  They keep a low profile and their mouths shut, but clearly that's of limited effectiveness.


If the US wanted to help, it would accept refugees. Taking sides seems like a terrible idea.
 
2014-01-30 10:14:22 AM
You shouldn't have bought a house in District 13.
 
2014-01-30 10:19:31 AM

grumpyoldmann: Kind of like the Israelies when they get pissed.


The Israelis have a policy of home demolition as retaliation/punishment.
They will also demolish homes when they think they are in the way of their line of fire, or if they think the house is being used as a sniper/attack position.
I'm not aware that they take out entire neighborhoods.

/I'm also not entirely sure there is any moral difference between the two strategies, or that either is justified.

//Disclosure: I am a Zionist.
 
2014-01-30 10:20:41 AM

YixilTesiphon: Diogenes: My doctor is Syrian and he's beside himself.  His folks are still there and he can't get them out.  They keep a low profile and their mouths shut, but clearly that's of limited effectiveness.

If the US wanted to help, it would accept refugees. Taking sides seems like a terrible idea.


That's pretty much the problem for them.  He might be able to get them out, but to where?  They're old and in poor health.

I'm due for a checkup.  I hope he's made some progress.  He's a really nice person and this is tearing him up.
 
2014-01-30 10:23:08 AM
//Disclosure: I am a Zionist.

Shhh! You looking to start a Zion/Anti-Zion war?!
 
2014-01-30 10:23:17 AM
After the Holocaust, the slogan "Never Again" was and continues to be used.
Are we seeing a policy of similar magnitude and evil in Syria?
If so, are we (Americans, and all free people of good will in the world) obligated to step in and try to stop the Assad government's actions? even if it causes outcomes we don't like? even if it goes against our larger strategic geopolitical interests? even if it costs American lives?
These are not meant as rhetorical questions. I'm seriously not sure what we ought to be doing here.
I'm also asking for a serious thoughtful discussion on Fark, so I guess I'm a doofus.
 
2014-01-30 10:37:08 AM

MelGoesOnTour: //Disclosure: I am a Zionist.

Shhh! You looking to start a Zion/Anti-Zion war?!


Oh heck no!
Just sayin' Grumpyoldmann raises an interesting point.
 
2014-01-30 10:51:30 AM
I wish we did this in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afganastan. The goal should not be to wind their Hearts and Minds, but rather to splatter them all over the street.

Make War Ugly Enough, People Will Not Want To Do It So Often.
 
2014-01-30 10:54:46 AM

Nesher: These are not meant as rhetorical questions. I'm seriously not sure what we ought to be doing here.
I'm also asking for a serious thoughtful discussion on Fark, so I guess I'm a doofus.


Well you'll have a hard time getting much of value from me, because Fark has taught me that Obama is an Imperialist, Anti-Colonialist who has shown he hates the troops because he wanted to bring them home from the Middle-East.

There are tragedies going on everywhere. We can't stop them all. If we really cared to help from an genuine position of altruism, we'd be involved in the craziness going on in Africa.

I've repeatedly been told that isolationism has never worked, but I honestly feel like we should be helping the less fortunate in the US before spending more money overseas. Sovereign nations are supposed to be sovereign.
 
2014-01-30 10:56:56 AM
Learned from his daddy.  Thomas Friedman coined it the "Hama Rules".
 
2014-01-30 11:02:15 AM

Pangea: Nesher: These are not meant as rhetorical questions. I'm seriously not sure what we ought to be doing here.
I'm also asking for a serious thoughtful discussion on Fark, so I guess I'm a doofus.

Well you'll have a hard time getting much of value from me, because Fark has taught me that Obama is an Imperialist, Anti-Colonialist who has shown he hates the troops because he wanted to bring them home from the Middle-East.

There are tragedies going on everywhere. We can't stop them all. If we really cared to help from an genuine position of altruism, we'd be involved in the craziness going on in Africa.

I've repeatedly been told that isolationism has never worked, but I honestly feel like we should be helping the less fortunate in the US before spending more money overseas. Sovereign nations are supposed to be sovereign.


Well, there's something to be said about engaging more sanely.  And taking the longer view and planning for the future.  We make, quick, expedient, short term alliances and plans.  Never consider root causes or long term cost of engagement.

There's no singular formula for how and when we should get involved in any foreign conflict.  But the way we're doing it is costly and ineffective in the long run for the most part.

A large complicating factor is that it's hard to establish and stick to a long term plan given shifting ideological emphasis, leadership, and fortunes at home.
 
2014-01-30 11:10:54 AM

Nesher: are we (Americans, and all free people of good will in the world) obligated to step in and try to stop the Assad government's actions?


Fark no.
 
2014-01-30 11:13:08 AM

Diogenes: A large complicating factor is that it's hard to establish and stick to a long term plan given shifting ideological emphasis, leadership, and fortunes at home.


Valid. Plus the same ideological shifts happening with the people we back in those foreign engagements. We've trained a lot of people to fight, only to end up having them use those skills against us because of someone changing their goals or power structure.
 
2014-01-30 11:24:59 AM
graphics8.nytimes.com
Approves.
 
2014-01-30 11:27:16 AM

mark12A: "Wiping entire neighborhoods off the map is not a legitimate tactic of war," said Ole Solvang, emergencies researcher for HRW. "

Oh yes it is:

[www.dw.de image 330x244]
As nasty as it is, THIS is how you win.

Assad will win, because he's ruthless. WE would have won in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we were this ruthless. Instead of Iraq and Afghanistan being reborn as tolerant, free democratic societies, they will continue to fester in misery for years to come. All because we ain't got the balls no more to beat our opponents into total, abject, bloody submission.


Two points. There is a difference in 'total war' on another country and total war on your own. Destroying your own country to 'save' it is not a tactic used by someone from a position of strength. Secondly, it depends on how you define 'win'. Will Assad remain in power and maintain control where he currently does? Yeah, probably indefinitely. Will he regain control over the rest of the Syria? Not likely. Even with the help of Hezbollah and Iraqi Shia militias, he lacks the manpower to reassert control over the rest of the country. It's a stalemate. The front lines might shift, but this war will go on for years and years.
 
2014-01-30 11:51:58 AM
This is the first Photoshop War, so I don't know how I can 'believe' these reports

/eric holder
 
2014-01-30 12:17:21 PM
mark12A: Instead of Iraq and Afghanistan being reborn as tolerant, free democratic societies, they will continue to fester in misery for years to come.

We certainly could have killed everyone there in less time than we've spent on the issue. But it's not at all clear that would have formed "tolerant, free, democratic societies". There's more to organizing a country than individual capitulation.
 
2014-01-30 12:22:54 PM

YixilTesiphon: Diogenes: My doctor is Syrian and he's beside himself.  His folks are still there and he can't get them out.  They keep a low profile and their mouths shut, but clearly that's of limited effectiveness.

If the US wanted to help, it would accept refugees. Taking sides seems like a terrible idea.


Refugees are to the left what fetuses are to the right. The left's battle cry is if the right wants to save all those fetuses from abortion, it must be willing to adopt them. If accepting 100,000 refugees from Syria into the US is such a good idea, you have to come up with the money - like a few billion - to bring them here and set them up a new life. Repeat the process for all the other farked up hotspots.
 
2014-01-30 12:35:43 PM
this is how it's done in Philly:
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2014-01-30 12:53:21 PM

DrPainMD: [graphics8.nytimes.com image 480x325]
Approves.


He was screwed.

Read:   One Morning in the War. The Tragedy at Son My by Richard Hammer (1970)
It's on Amazon

4 yrs in-country
 
2014-01-30 01:06:17 PM
Pretty sad.
At least they let the people get out of the homes (I hope.) instead of taking them out too.

Does it seem to me that the Taliban take advantage of destabilized governments to go in and take over the region?
 
2014-01-30 01:18:52 PM

Brick-House: Fighting wars the old fashion way -- crushing, killing, destroying everything. I am not a fan of the Syrian government, but they are playing to win.


And the winner gets...Syria.

Second prize?

Two Syrias.
 
2014-01-30 01:22:49 PM
Don't give my HOA any ideas, man.
 
2014-01-30 01:36:57 PM
Way to turn sympathizers into supporters pal.
 
2014-01-30 01:39:46 PM

mark12A: "Wiping entire neighborhoods off the map is not a legitimate tactic of war," said Ole Solvang, emergencies researcher for HRW. "

Oh yes it is:

[www.dw.de image 330x244]
As nasty as it is, THIS is how you win.

Assad will win, because he's ruthless. WE would have won in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we were this ruthless. Instead of Iraq and Afghanistan being reborn as tolerant, free democratic societies, they will continue to fester in misery for years to come. All because we ain't got the balls no more to beat our opponents into total, abject, bloody submission.


As unfortunate a circumstance as it is, this is the truth. Wars by their very nature are savage events where people die and warmongers get their way.

But in a way, that's how wars should be. They should be so horrible and so awful that it scars the collective memory of a people and essentially forces a people to consider alternative ways of settling disputes through any other method than war.
 
2014-01-30 01:41:19 PM

mark12A: "Wiping entire neighborhoods off the map is not a legitimate tactic of war," said Ole Solvang, emergencies researcher for HRW. "

Oh yes it is:

[www.dw.de image 330x244]
As nasty as it is, THIS is how you win.

Assad will win, because he's ruthless. WE would have won in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we were this ruthless. Instead of Iraq and Afghanistan being reborn as tolerant, free democratic societies, they will continue to fester in misery for years to come. All because we ain't got the balls no more to beat our opponents into total, abject, bloody submission.


Hell we defeated Japan with 2 bombs..... TWO and leveled entire cities with them.
 
2014-01-30 02:06:17 PM
They knew there was an HOA when they bought.

/Should I read the article first?
 
2014-01-30 06:12:57 PM
Is it war, or did Syria get pictures of Detroit and decided to take the lead back as the world's worst hell hole?

You got to admit, without a war, Detroit sure looks war torn.
 
2014-01-31 02:49:23 AM
reminds me of a old show called

gundam 00 or somethin like that.....
 
2014-01-31 09:09:12 PM

MelGoesOnTour: //Disclosure: I am a Zionist.

Shhh! You looking to start a Zion/Anti-Zion war?!


You baldy heads go back to Babylon!
dread

/ ;)

//first thing I thought of, must of heard some reggae recently.
 
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