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(Fox News)   North Dakota man becomes the first person to be arrested, jailed and convicted with the help of a drone. Worst episode of "Cops" ever   (foxnews.com) divider line 83
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2014-01-30 09:06:03 AM
I have crunched the numbers and graphed the results to help explain why this guy only got three years for an armed standoff with the cops.
i62.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-30 10:24:01 AM
I feel safer already.
 
2014-01-30 10:25:14 AM
just tack "executed" on to the end of those other 3 accomplishments and we'll have that expeditious justice system we've all been craving for so long.
 
2014-01-30 10:25:39 AM

Headso: I have crunched the numbers and graphed the results to help explain why this guy only got three years for an armed standoff with the cops.


If he never actually pointed his gun or threatened harm on an officer, other than failing to obey and resisting arrest, what crime related to the stand off did he commit?
 
2014-01-30 10:26:21 AM
Article doesn't work for me on a cell phone. It just redirects to the main fox page.
 
2014-01-30 10:27:10 AM
I read something on this the other day.  It appears he was not charged with any of the suspected crimes but is now being charges with 'terrorizing authorities' for refusing a search of his property.
 
2014-01-30 10:28:18 AM
I hate the idea of a surveillance society, but g'damn, after reading this story, I don't have any sympathy for these particular individuals.
 
2014-01-30 10:28:24 AM

Nana's Vibrator: just tack "executed" on to the end of those other 3 accomplishments and we'll have that expeditious justice system we've all been craving for so long.


Judge Predd
 
2014-01-30 10:32:21 AM
I'm not arguing that drones should be allowed to collect evidence without a warrant, but they were only observing what was readily visible from the air. He could have subverted the police with the use of a cloaking device commonly referred to as "a barn."

If your clever criminal operation can be discovered by someone with access to Google Earth, there really shouldn't be any expectation of privacy.
 
2014-01-30 10:34:03 AM
I want to know if he was wearing a shirt?  You know....episode of Cops and all...
 
2014-01-30 10:35:52 AM

Nightjars: I hate the idea of a surveillance society, but g'damn, after reading this story, I don't have any sympathy for these particular individuals.


No worries, it'll be directed at you soon enough.
 
2014-01-30 10:36:35 AM

Headso: I have crunched the numbers and graphed the results to help explain why this guy only got three years for an armed standoff with the cops.
[i62.tinypic.com image 403x284]


He'll only serve 6 months.  We'll also need you to crunch the numbers to help explain why this guy didn't get shot by the cops when he and his family threatened them.

WhyKnot: If he never actually pointed his gun or threatened harm on an officer, other than failing to obey and resisting arrest, what crime related to the stand off did he commit?


How do you refuse a police warrant to the point that they just walk away and call in SWAT rather than break down your door?  The only thing I can think of is by threatening to shoot the cops.
 

When police tried to get involved, Brossart's family-who "prefer to limit their contact with governmental actors," according to a court brief-allegedly chased the officers away with guns.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/05/04/brossart_case_cat tl e_theft_allegations_and_law_enforcement_use_of_domestic_drones_.html
 
2014-01-30 10:38:17 AM

generallyso: No worries, it'll be directed at you soon enough.


I'll keep that in mind next time I refuse to allow law enforcement to execute a legal warrant.
 
2014-01-30 10:38:26 AM
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2014-01-30 10:41:02 AM

captmingus: I want to know if he was wearing a shirt?  You know....episode of Cops and all...


Well, it's January in ND, so I would say that the odds are good that he was, in fact, wearing a shirt.
 
2014-01-30 10:41:50 AM

lennavan: How do you refuse a police warrant to the point that they just walk away and call in SWAT rather than break down your door?  The only thing I can think of is by threatening to shoot the cops.


You can just say "No", lock the door/gate/whatever, and leave it at that.  Then it's on the police to decide what to do.

If they know you are well armed and tend to be ornery, but you didn't actually threaten them, then if the police decide to wait it out instead of doing a forced entry then it's not like the person did anything other than perhaps obstruct.

Also, remember that this is a 3,500 acre ranch.  In a place where you can see people coming from a long way off.  It's not like a dynamic entry on a crackhouse in downtown Detroit.
 
2014-01-30 10:41:51 AM

generallyso: Nightjars: I hate the idea of a surveillance society, but g'damn, after reading this story, I don't have any sympathy for these particular individuals.

No worries, it'll be directed at you soon enough.


A drone video recording my interaction with the cops?  Yes please, sign me the fark up.
 
2014-01-30 10:42:28 AM
All this and it boils down to "he didn't steal the cows, doesn't trust the police, and was convicted based on that." This looks a LOT like people who are convicted for "resisting arrest" and all other charges are dropped.
 
2014-01-30 10:43:17 AM

Kygz: I read something on this the other day.  It appears he was not charged with any of the suspected crimes but is now being charges with 'terrorizing authorities' for refusing a search of his property.


He refused a search, that they had a warrant for, at gunpoint.
 
2014-01-30 10:43:46 AM
The whole family was armed and refused to let the police execute a warranted search of their property? Holy crap how are these people all still alive?
 
2014-01-30 10:43:50 AM

dittybopper: lennavan: How do you refuse a police warrant to the point that they just walk away and call in SWAT rather than break down your door?  The only thing I can think of is by threatening to shoot the cops.

You can just say "No", lock the door/gate/whatever, and leave it at that.  Then it's on the police to decide what to do.

If they know you are well armed and tend to be ornery, but you didn't actually threaten them, then if the police decide to wait it out instead of doing a forced entry then it's not like the person did anything other than perhaps obstruct.

Also, remember that this is a 3,500 acre ranch.  In a place where you can see people coming from a long way off.  It's not like a dynamic entry on a crackhouse in downtown Detroit.


They called in SWAT.  Whatever actually happened, they clearly felt threatened enough to warrant the SWAT team.  Reading some of the anti-government statements from the defendant, I think we can be pretty safe in assuming he threatened the cops.  Maybe if this was a court of law we'd have doubt but we can definitely be internet thread level sure.
 
2014-01-30 10:44:30 AM
Knocked down all the copseyes, did ya?
Yep
It's an Anarchy Park
 
2014-01-30 10:44:55 AM

WhyKnot: If he never actually pointed his gun or threatened harm on an officer, other than failing to obey and resisting arrest, what crime related to the stand off did he commit?


Even if the police get the wrong house and try and arrest your by accident, you can still be convicted of resisting arrest despite doing nothing wrong to warrent getting arrested in the first place. Same as if you get sent to prision for something you didn't do and you escape and manage to prove your innocence, they can still put you back in prison for escaping from prison.
 
2014-01-30 10:45:50 AM

Nightjars: I'll keep that in mind next time I refuse to allow law enforcement to execute a legal warrant.


Because if there's one thing we've learned about surveillance conducted over the last 14 years, it's that there's always a warrant involved.
 
2014-01-30 10:46:07 AM
Just a matter of time before these drones will be outfitted with Hellfire missiles.
 
2014-01-30 10:47:01 AM

Zeno-25: The whole family was armed and refused to let the police execute a warranted search of their property? Holy crap how are these people all still alive?


They're white.
 
2014-01-30 10:50:34 AM
I am waiting for the first police drone shot down by crime drone story.  The police are buying used armored assault vehicles, and automatic weapons from the military for a reason. The ongoing arms race between the police and the criminal element, meaning it is only a matter of time before the criminal element  has their own drones.
 
2014-01-30 10:53:03 AM

Jesus built my hybrid: I am waiting for the first police drone shot down by crime drone story.


I'm wondering if they'll be charged as though they shot a cop, as with police dogs. I don't think it's likely but I wouldn't put it past the US legal system.
 
2014-01-30 10:54:10 AM

Headso: I have crunched the numbers and graphed the results to help explain why this guy only got three years for an armed standoff with the cops.
[i62.tinypic.com image 403x284]


You left out the probability curve of just being shot by the cops.
 
2014-01-30 10:56:35 AM

Maud Dib: Zeno-25: The whole family was armed and refused to let the police execute a warranted search of their property? Holy crap how are these people all still alive?

They're white.


In all fairness, if you live in North Dakota, there is a 90% chance that you happen to be white.
 
2014-01-30 10:56:45 AM

dittybopper: lennavan: How do you refuse a police warrant to the point that they just walk away and call in SWAT rather than break down your door?  The only thing I can think of is by threatening to shoot the cops.

You can just say "No", lock the door/gate/whatever, and leave it at that.  Then it's on the police to decide what to do.

If they know you are well armed and tend to be ornery, but you didn't actually threaten them, then if the police decide to wait it out instead of doing a forced entry then it's not like the person did anything other than perhaps obstruct.

Also, remember that this is a 3,500 acre ranch.  In a place where you can see people coming from a long way off.  It's not like a dynamic entry on a crackhouse in downtown Detroit.


see the link someone provided.  idiots chased off the cops with guns.
 
2014-01-30 11:01:23 AM

Zeno-25: The whole family was armed and refused to let the police execute a warranted search of their property? Holy crap how are these people all still alive?


see the frist prost.  change the curve on the graph to probability of being shot by the cops.

Also filthy wealthy ranchers who pay lots of property tax, combined with cops who out in the middle of nowhere don't really itch to beat up people and shoot them like in the cities and the cops just say 'well they aren't going anywhere, they'll get tired of it eventually'.  After all it was only 6 cows.  Sometimes in a county that is hundreds of square miles that only has 1000 people, there's no reason to panic and call in the SWAT team.

oh and I like how they were found not guilty of the cattle stealing but then the judge says 'if they would have just given the cows back it would have been avoided'.  That implies to me they actually had the cows but perhaps the jury just figured it was cows wandering rather than malicious stealing.
 
2014-01-30 11:02:49 AM
to be fair, George Orwell was only 30 years out
 
2014-01-30 11:03:39 AM

Jesus built my hybrid: I am waiting for the first police drone shot down by crime drone story.  The police are buying used armored assault vehicles, and automatic weapons from the military for a reason. The ongoing arms race between the police and the criminal element, meaning it is only a matter of time before the criminal element  has their own drones.


Drones that size can't carry much and would need complex targeting system. Those are crazy expensive. You'd be better off just throwing rocks at a police drone.
 
2014-01-30 11:03:45 AM

Maud Dib: Zeno-25: The whole family was armed and refused to let the police execute a warranted search of their property? Holy crap how are these people all still alive?

They're white.


You know who else was white?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver
 
2014-01-30 11:08:45 AM

Jesus built my hybrid: I am waiting for the first police drone shot down by crime drone story.  The police are buying used armored assault vehicles, and automatic weapons from the military for a reason. The ongoing arms race between the police and the criminal element, meaning it is only a matter of time before the criminal element  has their own drones.


It's only a matter of time, if it isn't happening already, before the cartels are using drones to transport contraband over the border.
Captured drones tell no tales.
 
2014-01-30 11:11:11 AM
"But the eye in the sky gathered enough evidence to prompt Janke's men to finally move in in November 2011, arresting five family members on terrorizing charges"

*sigh*

Welcome to the the United States of Waziristan
 
2014-01-30 11:30:01 AM
www.antark.net

"It was nothin', guys."
 
2014-01-30 11:42:12 AM
I grew up in this town. To answer the question of how/why the family is still alive... There are less than 5000 people in the entire county. The sheriff and deputies probably went to high school with the guy. Their kids and grandkids go to school with the defendants kids and grandkids. No one felt like pushing the issue and killing or getting killed over a few slabs of beef.
 
2014-01-30 11:42:49 AM

lennavan: dittybopper: lennavan: How do you refuse a police warrant to the point that they just walk away and call in SWAT rather than break down your door?  The only thing I can think of is by threatening to shoot the cops.

You can just say "No", lock the door/gate/whatever, and leave it at that.  Then it's on the police to decide what to do.

If they know you are well armed and tend to be ornery, but you didn't actually threaten them, then if the police decide to wait it out instead of doing a forced entry then it's not like the person did anything other than perhaps obstruct.

Also, remember that this is a 3,500 acre ranch.  In a place where you can see people coming from a long way off.  It's not like a dynamic entry on a crackhouse in downtown Detroit.

They called in SWAT.  Whatever actually happened, they clearly felt threatened enough to warrant the SWAT team.  Reading some of the anti-government statements from the defendant, I think we can be pretty safe in assuming he threatened the cops.  Maybe if this was a court of law we'd have doubt but we can definitely be internet thread level sure.


Yes, what he said should definitely warrant him being charged with the crime.
And cops are never overeager to call in the SWAT team.
The chickens these people were illegally raising could have carried avian flu.  Of course the SWAT team is necessary.
http://www.popehat.com/2011/03/23/i-show-you-states-exhibit-4-which-i s -a-photo-of-a-sign-reading-warning-this-house-is-protected-by-chuck-no rris/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Popeh at+%28Popehat%29

and something shady MUST have been going on at this private poker game
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/18/AR20 11 011806145.html

And the DOE SWAT Team (yes, the Department of Education has a SWAT team, how the hell else are federal education standards going to be enforced you chickenshiat liberal?) was absolutely necessary to resolve this student loan embezzlement scheme.

And it's not like they use SWAT teams to serve over 90% of search warrants these days
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/06/20/the-overuse-of-s-w-a -t -teams/


What a great day for America.  I'm so glad we have our brave boys in blue and the judicious hand of our government to lead them.  Of course, my opinion on this will completely change when a different political party takes charge.  Because you know THEY can't be trusted.
 
2014-01-30 11:45:44 AM
One of my urls got stripped, another I just forgot.  Damn it, and I was THIS close to convincing the internet of my views.
 
2014-01-30 11:50:30 AM

FLMountainMan: Yes, what he said should definitely warrant him being charged with the crime.


Threatening to shoot the cops for serving a legal warrant is indeed a crime.  You'll get over it.

FLMountainMan: What a great day for America. I'm so glad we have our brave boys in blue and the judicious hand of our government to lead them. Of course, my opinion on this will completely change when a different political party takes charge. Because you know THEY can't be trusted.


So this is what full derp looks like.  Cool.
 
2014-01-30 11:51:53 AM

Jesus built my hybrid: it is only a matter of time before the criminal element has their own drones.


This begs the question.
 
2014-01-30 11:52:54 AM
FTA

A jury found Brossart not guilty of stealing the cows, valued at $6,000

State District Judge Joel Medd said in court. "We should never have been here if the cows would have just been returned."

WTF?
 
2014-01-30 12:02:13 PM

FLMountainMan: And the DOE SWAT Team (yes, the Department of Education has a SWAT team, how the hell else are federal education standards going to be enforced you chickenshiat liberal?) was absolutely necessary to resolve this student loan embezzlement scheme.



I think you mean the Department Of Energy.   The ones responsible for all the nuclear facilities and nuclear material. I believe yes, they have SWAT teams.
 
2014-01-30 12:05:54 PM

El Dudereno: It's only a matter of time, if it isn't happening already, before the cartels are using drones to transport contraband over the border.


I can't believe it's not already happening, at least for high-value contraband like cocaine and heroin.
 
2014-01-30 12:08:11 PM

Stone Meadow: El Dudereno: It's only a matter of time, if it isn't happening already, before the cartels are using drones to transport contraband over the border.

I can't believe it's not already happening, at least for high-value contraband like cocaine and heroin.


Maybe Amazon got the idea from them.
 
2014-01-30 12:10:33 PM

Mudboy: FTA

A jury found Brossart not guilty of stealing the cows, valued at $6,000

State District Judge Joel Medd said in court. "We should never have been here if the cows would have just been returned."

WTF?


But they were too busy partying until the cows came home.
 
2014-01-30 01:10:49 PM
That's not a DRONE! It's a remote-controlled heli- Oh wait...that is a drone.
 
2014-01-30 01:29:50 PM
  

lennavan: FLMountainMan: Yes, what he said should definitely warrant him being charged with the crime.

Threatening to shoot the cops for serving a legal warrant is indeed a crime.  You'll get over it.

FLMountainMan: What a great day for America. I'm so glad we have our brave boys in blue and the judicious hand of our government to lead them. Of course, my opinion on this will completely change when a different political party takes charge. Because you know THEY can't be trusted.

So this is what full derp looks like.  Cool.


So this is what a complete inability to comprehend sarcasm is.  Cool.
 
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