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2014-01-30 09:57:33 AM  

vudukungfu: Poot beer: Aren't you a special one.

Meh, I got banninated form the computers in 8th grade in 1969 for swapping all the administrations genders in the personnel files.

You would think the logical thing would be to ask me how I did it, and ask me to help them secure their network.
It was still not secured for beans when I was running the network of a large corporation 10 years later right up the street.

good times.


That's funny. I bet you learned the "don't do anything too obvious" rule of "hacking" then.
 
2014-01-30 09:59:44 AM  
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Maybe it was Utah....
 
2014-01-30 10:00:44 AM  

pxlboy: vudukungfu: bearcats1983: Thanks for bringing your stupid farking politics into the discussion. I can't tell if you're a troll or a farking moron

Quite a logical rebuttal.

Given that the modern usage of 'liberal' has been pigeonholed into 'anything to the left of a conservative-leaning position', I'd say it was a valid question.


lib·er·al arts
noun
plural noun: liberal arts
1.
academic subjects such as literature, philosophy, mathematics, and social and physical sciences as distinct from professional and technical subjects.
historical
the medieval trivium and quadrivium.

liberal, as distinct from servile or mechanical (i.e., involving manual labor) and originally referring to arts and sciences considered "worthy of a free man"; later the word related to general intellectual development rather than vocational training.

 
2014-01-30 10:00:54 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


This is all a very interesting point.  And it extends to further than just lunch.
I can't tell you how many times one of my kids have come to me to print something out, or cover a book, pay for a concert within the school (that one really makes no sense), or anything along those lines.

We pay the highest taxes in the country, and the majority of it goes to the schools.  So why do we have to pay even more for services that the school should be providing already?

That's a rhetorical question.  I know the answer.  The schools are mismanaged, and much of the administration is overpaid and unnecessary.  Do we really need 16 different Superintendants for 16 different sections of 16 seperate districts?  Why don't we combine them and have ONE to oversee them all?!  (just one example)
 
2014-01-30 10:01:57 AM  

Hoarf: FTA "Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. "  What she doesn't tell you is once you put money in your kid's account it can take up to 4 days for the system to notify the school that the money is there.  Paypams can suck it.


Plus there is a surcharge for every deposit.
 
2014-01-30 10:05:49 AM  

durbnpoisn: AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.

This is all a very interesting point.  And it extends to further than just lunch.
I can't tell you how many times one of my kids have come to me to print something out, or cover a book, pay for a concert within the school (that one really makes no sense), or anything along those lines.

We pay the highest taxes in the country, and the majority of it goes to the schools.  So why do we have to pay even more for services that the school should be providing already?

That's a rhetorical question.  I know the answer.  The schools are mismanaged, and much of the administration is overpaid and unnecessary.  Do we really need 16 different Superintendants for 16 different sections of 16 seperate districts?  Why don't we combine them and have ONE to oversee them all?!  (just one example)


School administration insulates itself from consequences in the same way that Zapp Brannigan defeated "the rampaging horde of killbots"; just throw everyone below you to the wolves.
 
2014-01-30 10:05:51 AM  
"Suffer the little children" means something else, I think.

/Yes, I know Jesus has been invoked already.
 
2014-01-30 10:10:00 AM  

mod3072: Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.

I kind of agree with the person above who suggested that we just make the lunches a part of the service provided, but then we would have to raise taxes slightly to increase school funding, and that's pretty much anathema in the US. I don't think that you can just cut the program, because you would have kids that would never come to school with a lunch, and we've decided as a society that letting school age children starve while under the care of the state is not acceptable. Just provide a baseline lunch for everyone, and do away with all of the complexity and inequality in our current farked-up system. Yes, it would cost more per student each day, but it would also save the schools and the federal government a shiatload of time and money currently spent managing a broken system.


Quite a few communities in Nebraska provide school lunches all year round - even during the summer months. If you are driving through on I-80 with your kids, stop by at the nearest school for lunch. They'll feed you.

So it isn't necessarily about money for those school lunch programs heavily subsidized by the government.
 
2014-01-30 10:12:01 AM  

baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.


Some people like Andrew Carnegie figured educating poor students meant that fewer of them were likely to stab you didn't think it was socialist at all.  He might have been the 1st US 1%er
 
2014-01-30 10:12:16 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?


Meh, lunches weren't free when I was going to school in the 80's (unless you were poor enough, in which case I think there might have been subsidies).  This is not exactly a new phenomenon, though this level of ass-holery is something I've never heard of before.
 
2014-01-30 10:13:04 AM  

Madame Ovary: Hoarf: FTA "Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. "  What she doesn't tell you is once you put money in your kid's account it can take up to 4 days for the system to notify the school that the money is there.  Paypams can suck it.

Plus there is a surcharge for every deposit.


At my school we'd just give the lunch lady money and she'd add it to the account right then. We didn't have another way.

Any system that takes 4 days to add funds for children's food is ridiculous.
 
2014-01-30 10:14:14 AM  
You gotta love red states.
 
2014-01-30 10:16:24 AM  
Here's the scenario from the other side. I'm not trolling and I find the action entirely indefensible. That said, here's Beowolf from Grendel's point of view.

The nutrition administrator (n.a.) has to manage the program, watch over employees, order food, handle waste disposal, work within a budget and deal with administrators above them. The n.a. does this for the equivalent of $12/hr. plus some benefits which I assume are crappy.

At some point, probabaly every week, some upper management type says 'Hey n.a. you're falling behind on accounts receiveable. Handle it.' We don't know how far behind those parents are, weeks? months? So after letters are sent, n.a. spends an afternoon, maybe after regular hours, calling the parents themselves.

The parents cannnot be bothered to even return a phone call. So the n.a. finally snaps and says 'How the Fark am I going to get their attention? I know, I'll do something that will make them take notice.'

The n.a. knew what was going to come after that, they knew they were going to be pilloried, they didn't care anymore. This was an act of desperation by someone at the end of their rope.
 
2014-01-30 10:16:49 AM  

baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.


There's no black-and-white answer to that question.  Some* services in the US are "socialized" (provided for the common good out of tax revenue), others are not.  Socialism is a continuum -- it's not binary.

/ * public education, fire service, national defense, air ports & air traffic control, the FDA & CDC, police service, public roads, some elements of major utility infrastructure, etc., etc.
 
2014-01-30 10:19:44 AM  
DON.MAC:  He might have been the 1st US 1%er

As soon as there were 100+ people in the United States, there was a 1%er.
 
2014-01-30 10:21:34 AM  

jshine: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Meh, lunches weren't free when I was going to school in the 80's (unless you were poor enough, in which case I think there might have been subsidies).  This is not exactly a new phenomenon, though this level of ass-holery is something I've never heard of before.



Same here. I was on the reduced lunch program as a kid. Just sayin'. As I think about it, its stupid.
 
2014-01-30 10:21:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.



Because there is no such thing as a "Free Lunch".



The School lunch program  (which is filled with so much waste, fraud and abuse it would put and DoD procurement program to shame) is part of a "means tested" welfare  system.  Just as not everybody gets food stamps, section 8 housing , WIC, MEDICAID or over 50 other  means tested welfare programs, not everybody gets free lunch. (which is at least in part funded by there Federal government).


Fraud in the Lunchroom

No proof of income, such as a pay stub or W-2 form, is required when parents apply. That's in contrast to other federal nutrition entitlements, including the food stamp program, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). Normally, SNAP applicants must "file an application form, have a face-to-face interview, and provide proof (verification) of certain information, such as income and expenses."

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), the nation's second-largest district with an enrollment of about 700,000 students, had the highest rate of reduced or repealed benefits (93 percent) for the 2007-08 school year. Of 3,401 program participants asked to verify their income, 2,650 (78 percent) did not respond to the verification request; 215 (6 percent) provided evidence that reduced their benefits from free or reduced-price to paid; 291 (9 percent) provided income evidence that reduced their meal benefits from free to reduced-price; 233 (7 percent) provided evidence to justify their initial report of income; and 12 (less than 1 percent) provided evidence that increased their benefits.



It is good for students to see how welfare works.
There are the tax slaves who  pay into the system and there are the welfare recipients who take from it

 
2014-01-30 10:23:46 AM  

Madame Ovary: mod3072: Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.

I kind of agree with the person above who suggested that we just make the lunches a part of the service provided, but then we would have to raise taxes slightly to increase school funding, and that's pretty much anathema in the US. I don't think that you can just cut the program, because you would have kids that would never come to school with a lunch, and we've decided as a society that letting school age children starve while under the care of the state is not acceptable. Just provide a baseline lunch for everyone, and do away with all of the complexity and inequality in our current farked-up system. Yes, it would cost more per student each day, but it would also save the schools and the federal government a shiatload of time and money currently spent managing a broken system.

Quite a few communities in Nebraska provide school lunches all year round - even during the summer months. If you are driving through on I-80 with your kids, stop by at the nearest school for lunch. They'll feed you.

So it isn't necessarily about money for those school lunch programs heavily subsidized by the government.


Aren't those programs still generally income-based? I know that in order to get the federal subsidy, the family has to meet certain income guidelines. If the state is saying "fark it" and kicking in the extra cash to make sure that everyone gets fed, then good on them.
 
2014-01-30 10:26:23 AM  

hasty ambush: AverageAmericanGuy: Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


Because there is no such thing as a "Free Lunch".

The School lunch program  (which is filled with so much waste, fraud and abuse it would put and DoD procurement program to shame) is part of a "means tested" welfare  system.  Just as not everybody gets food stamps, section 8 housing , WIC, MEDICAID or over 50 other  means tested welfare programs, not everybody gets free lunch. (which is at least in part funded by there Federal government).
Fraud in the Lunchroom

No proof of income, such as a pay stub or W-2 form, is required when parents apply. That's in contrast to other federal nutrition entitlements, including the food stamp program, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). Normally, SNAP applicants must "file an application form, have a face-to-face interview, and provide proof (verification) of certain information, such as income and expenses."

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), the nation's second-largest district with an enrollment of about 700,000 students, had the highest rate of reduced or repealed benefits (93 percent) for the 2007-08 school year. Of 3,401 program participants asked to verify their income, 2,650 (78 percent) did not respond to the verification request; 215 (6 percent) provided evidence that reduced their benefits from free or reduced-price to paid; 291 (9 percent) provided income evidence that reduced their meal benefits from free to reduced-price; 233 (7 percent) provide ...


add to that  from same link:

~~Efforts to authorize an audit came crashing down in September when the USDA threatened to cut off the district's $34 million lunch-program subsidy for the 2007-08 school year if it proceeded with a full verification. School-district attorneys subsequently received a written order from the USDA saying that an audit beyond the mandated 3 percent would be illegal under federal law.
The National School Lunch Act does not specifically address the legality of a school district going beyond the 3,000 or 3 percent benchmark. The USDA, however, interprets the law to disallow a comprehensive verification. The 2008 version of the "Eligibility Manual for School Meals," published by the USDA, says
that school districts "must not verify more than or less than the standard sample size ... and must not verify all (100% of) applications" (emphasis in original).
 
2014-01-30 10:29:32 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?


Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?
 
2014-01-30 10:30:48 AM  

jshine: baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.

There's no black-and-white answer to that question.  Some* services in the US are "socialized" (provided for the common good out of tax revenue), others are not.  Socialism is a continuum -- it's not binary.

/ * public education, fire service, national defense, air ports & air traffic control, the FDA & CDC, police service, public roads, some elements of major utility infrastructure, etc., etc.


Seem reasonable. The reason I asked is the impression I get is that the USA desperately wants (or needs) to become a socialist country, but people are adamantly against "socialism" if it helps someone other than themselves (which is kind of the entire point of socialism).
 
2014-01-30 10:31:56 AM  
Same thing happened in my town a while back, seems like a growing fad.

I'm sure that something will come of this and that.....wait, nope, it's already been forgotten.
 
2014-01-30 10:32:17 AM  

69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?



You sound like a guy who has been fed all of his life, but thinks that he accomplished something. Maybe they should all get a loan from their dad, amirite?
 
2014-01-30 10:32:33 AM  

69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?



You forgot the gaming console of their choice, housing, a car when they are old enough to drive and a trip to Cabbo during spring  break of their senior year in high school
 
2014-01-30 10:32:53 AM  

69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?


That is a pretty slippery slope that you just slung your logical fallacy down.
 
2014-01-30 10:34:44 AM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.


All of this sounds like bullshiat.
 
2014-01-30 10:37:36 AM  

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I keed, I keed



I'm stealing that.
 
2014-01-30 10:37:40 AM  

tripleseven: skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.

All of this sounds like bullshiat.


It might, but it's 100% true.
 
2014-01-30 10:38:32 AM  

baconbeard: Seem reasonable. The reason I asked is the impression I get is that the USA desperately wants (or needs) to become a socialist country, but people are adamantly against "socialism" if it helps someone other than themselves (which is kind of the entire point of socialism).


In other words what the other guys get is pork or welfare but what they get is an entitlement-look at  the recent farm bill and the approx. 35% of famers who get something from it
 
2014-01-30 10:41:23 AM  

hasty ambush: 69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?


You forgot the gaming console of their choice, housing, a car when they are old enough to drive and a trip to Cabbo during spring  break of their senior year in high school


Of course, these items are completely analogous to lunch and a textbook.
 
2014-01-30 10:41:41 AM  

skeevy420: tripleseven: skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.

All of this sounds like bullshiat.

It might, but it's 100% true.


And since you added the part about your botnet running for three years after you left, it just made me believe all the more that its true.
 
2014-01-30 10:42:41 AM  

mod3072: Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.


Our district lets you go to -$5 then the kids get a cheese sandwhich, fruit, and a drink until the balance is paid.  I've had my son's account get to -$4 before due to him forgetting to give me the paper saying he needed money.  Crap happens but to throw away the food is pants on head retarded, the food is a waste anyway so let the kids eat and add that to their balance, make a note to give them the bare bones meal from then on.

God my son goes through food at school like it's going out of style.  In the last 13 days of school he's used $51.
 
2014-01-30 10:51:51 AM  

hasty ambush: 69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?


You forgot the gaming console of their choice, housing, a car when they are old enough to drive and a trip to Cabbo during spring  break of their senior year in high school


You obviously haven't worked with the kids getting free lunches. For many of my former students, the breakfast and lunch they got at school might be the only thing they eat all day. They didn't have cell phones and if they had a console, it wasn't a current generation. No computers at home or if they had one, it was a hand me down with no internet access. Most of those kids either ride the bus or walk. And after school, they get to go home and take care of their younger siblings.

These are some of the same kids that we took up collections for to make sure they had a cap and gown, let alone a trip. They passed around yearbook inserts (not the yearbook) so they could fit in at the end of the year. If they go to prom, they get their dresses or suits from Goodwill or the school's 'prom closet' that are usually hand me downs from staff and a caring teacher drives them because prom is held 30 or so miles away from school.

I've had kids that were excited because it was the first time in their lives that the family was able to scratch up extra cash to have Christmas presents.

I'll take the cheats if it means the majority of the kids are fed. They seriously have no extras.
 
2014-01-30 10:57:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


There is or at least was a free/reduced lunch program.  You apply at the start of the school year.  Though I wouldn't be surprised if a republican somewhere saw feeding poor kids as wasteful spending and cut that program since I was in school.
 
2014-01-30 10:58:17 AM  
what kind of subhuman maggot takes food from a child?
 
2014-01-30 11:02:16 AM  
ph# 801 578 8340.

Call today. They have "Child Nutrition Technician" positions open.  Maybe you too can be the one to snatch a kids lunch and trash it for the lulz.
 
2014-01-30 11:06:33 AM  
Gotta love the fact the state is using database software that only allows them to check the account balance AFTER a meal has been put together and scanned for purchase, putting the lunch supervisors in a position to throw away the food in front of the child or risk termination for disobeying protocol. Lunch supervisors are the absolute worst employees, technically, because they routinely break the rules:allowing students to take the food and owe money (not allowed) and distributing unused food to other employees instead of throwing it away(even worse by district standards.)

Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

/Nation school district administration's guiding principle: W.W.Hitler D,
 
2014-01-30 11:06:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: But cafeteria workers weren't able to see which children owed money until they had already received lunches, Olsen explained.  The workers then took those lunches from the students and threw them away, he said, because once food is served to one student it can't be served to another

That sure is one farked up lesson plan they've got there.  Nice "child nutrition management" too.


Because it would be too hard to just write down the names of the kids with an outstanding balance, send a letter home with a comply by date, and giving a fair amount warning.

Gotta teach the little ones about petty bureaucracy and little tyrants early!
 
2014-01-30 11:11:05 AM  

PapaChester: Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.


Lunch system is usually always completely seperate from the normal network.  I would say look for a new product but those products are not cheap.  How about complain to the company to add in that one database field that probably would take a minute of coding.  All of the software that I have seen looks like it was made in VB6, wouldn't be hard to make another field and point it to current balance.
 
2014-01-30 11:15:51 AM  
"It was pretty traumatic and humiliating,"

Everything that happens to kids at that age is traumatic and humiliating.  If you just look at these kids wrong they will go throw themselves into high speed traffic.  They have been evolving for millions of years into a form that if you breath on them they will wither and die while you watch.
The workers then took those lunches from the students and threw them away, he said, because once food is served to one student it can't be served to another.

FFS!  what knuckle dragger thought this was the correct thing to do?
 
2014-01-30 11:20:31 AM  

TNel: PapaChester: Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

Lunch system is usually always completely seperate from the normal network.  I would say look for a new product but those products are not cheap.  How about complain to the company to add in that one database field that probably would take a minute of coding.  All of the software that I have seen looks like it was made in VB6, wouldn't be hard to make another field and point it to current balance.


And the other problem is that in a lot of places, the database admin (if they even have one) isn't always involved in purchasing the software.

When I worked Parks and Rec, we bought a new system that ended up being a huge piece of junk (and it was like 100kish). It would 'lose' stuff all the time. Within a couple of years, it was painfully obvious that the software wasn't up to snuff.

When they decided to replace it, they brought along the city's DB admin to grill the vendors and got a far better system.

//in my experience, school district IT folks aren't the most competent. They usually pay peanuts compared to the private sector and the good ones move on.
 
2014-01-30 11:21:07 AM  
When I was 13, my mom had a really bad car accident. Really bad. She was in the hospital for more than six months. Then she was in a rehabilitation center for another six months. My dad would go to work. From work, he would go to the hospital. He'd stay there until 9:30 or 10 PM. You know what? He had a hard time thinking of a lot of things during that period, but he was not a bad dad. If I hadn't packed lunches for my dad, my little sister, and myself, there very well could have been days when we didn't have money for school lunches. Not because we didn't have enough money, but because there was a lot of stuff going on, and my dad was at a ragged edge.

Now, if someone at my little sister's school had been instructed to rip her lunch out of her hands and throw it into the garbage right in front of her and her classmates (because you know the other kinds are going to be as kind as children usually are about such things), I would not have looked kindly upon them. If they started harassing my dad, it would be a major issue.
 
2014-01-30 11:21:08 AM  

TNel: PapaChester: Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

Lunch system is usually always completely seperate from the normal network.  I would say look for a new product but those products are not cheap.  How about complain to the company to add in that one database field that probably would take a minute of coding.  All of the software that I have seen looks like it was made in VB6, wouldn't be hard to make another field and point it to current balance.


Totally, but the information administrators are the ones who purchase and configure the lunch system network. The nutrition technicians get no input, and the nutrition administrators are usually quite inept when dealing with software, hardware, any-ware. In our district, each nutrition technician, i.e. lunch lady, has a three ringed notebook with a page for every teacher they can scan individual student bar codes to charge or scan the teacher bar code to bring up a full page of class balances, all in the sweet glow of monochrome. In middle and high schools it is done by grade and first letter of the last name. And ALL these scans get done before a child even picks up the tray.
 
2014-01-30 11:25:48 AM  

PapaChester: Gotta love the fact the state is using database software that only allows them to check the account balance AFTER a meal has been put together and scanned for purchase, putting the lunch supervisors in a position to throw away the food in front of the child or risk termination for disobeying protocol. Lunch supervisors are the absolute worst employees, technically, because they routinely break the rules:allowing students to take the food and owe money (not allowed) and distributing unused food to other employees instead of throwing it away(even worse by district standards.)

Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

/Nation school district administration's guiding principle: W.W.Hitler D,


This is likely a training issue.  ie. the dumbasses didn't know how to look it up, so this was their solution.

2 of my companies clients are schools, and yeah, you can look up the balances.  They could, however, be using some old piece of shiat software, but doubtful.
 
2014-01-30 11:26:51 AM  

PapaChester: Totally, but the information administrators are the ones who purchase and configure the lunch system network.


Not at all.  Trust me the Food Service department does not talk with the IT department other than "will this software work on the network".  That's it, they do not go and see the demo or anything they are only asked if it works.  At our school the kids enter their unique student id into a keypad that is fed to the POS machine that pulls up the student picture how much money they have on their account and if they have any allergies.

Schools are weird because they complain about the IT, but they never ask them for support before purchases only after then complain when it doesn't fully suit their needs.
 
2014-01-30 11:28:51 AM  
It's sad that the "consolation lunch" is milk and fruit. What's the regular lunch? Candy and soda? Hot dogs and chili cheese fries?
 
2014-01-30 11:32:30 AM  

selfmedicating: "Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead."

In other words, they were served lunch.

/probably better off than the obese regular kids


Came to say this.

Can I just run up a tab in order to ensure I don't get served limp, canned, french-cut, green beans and some instant potatoes?
 
2014-01-30 11:35:31 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all.


I attended public school throughout the entire 1980s and there was always a charge for lunch.

When and where did you go to school?
 
2014-01-30 11:36:05 AM  
I work with a couple of bible banging "christians" and brought this up to them at our morning meeting a half hour ago.

I got exactly the response I expected.  Of course, they talked about how the parents should pay their bills and they are probably just a bunch of lazy democrats.  I swear, these people are so stereotypical.
 
2014-01-30 11:43:17 AM  

selfmedicating: "Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead."

In other words, they were served lunch.

/probably better off than the obese regular kids


Yes, after the ritual humiliation in front of their peers, I am certain that a 220 calorie lunch (150 calories for whole milk and 70 calories for a piece of fruit) instead of the minimum recommended 400* calories for a totally sedentary child would have been a balm for them.

Daily Estimated Calories and Recommended Servings for Grains, Fruits, Vegetables, and Milk/Dairy by Age and Gender (Calorie estimates are based on a sedentary lifestyle. Increased physical activity will require additional calories: by 0-200 kcal/d if moderately physically active; and by 200-400 kcal/d if very physically active.)
 Years  4-8

Female  1200 kcal
Male      1400 kcal

Years 9-13
Female  1600 kcal
Male      1800 kcal
 
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