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(Salt Lake Tribune)   40 elementary school students in Utah get an early lesson on adult problems when their lunches are taken from them and thrown away because of an outstanding meal account debt   (sltrib.com) divider line 198
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2014-01-30 08:48:51 AM  

StrikitRich: [www.nachtkabarett.com image 271x206]

Ooo, there's another child that owes money.


Damn, you just made me feel old.
 
2014-01-30 08:49:17 AM  
I liked that part in the Bible when Jesus did the loaves & fishes bit and was all like "None of you paid for this, I'm throwing this miracle in yon dumpster. Blessed are the child-nutrition managers, for they starve the children."
 
2014-01-30 08:50:04 AM  

bearcats1983: Thanks for bringing your stupid farking politics into the discussion. I can't tell if you're a troll or a farking moron


Quite a logical rebuttal.
 
2014-01-30 08:50:31 AM  
I hope the school's Facebook page blows up, and the nutrition guy gets a chance to try to feed his family on government aid.
 
2014-01-30 08:51:43 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.


If they didn't charge for the food, the kids might eat when they're not even hungry!!!
 
2014-01-30 08:53:10 AM  

vudukungfu: bearcats1983: Thanks for bringing your stupid farking politics into the discussion. I can't tell if you're a troll or a farking moron

Quite a logical rebuttal.


Given that the modern usage of 'liberal' has been pigeonholed into 'anything to the left of a conservative-leaning position', I'd say it was a valid question.


lib·er·al arts
noun
plural noun: liberal arts
1
.
academic subjects such as literature, philosophy, mathematics, and social and physical sciences as distinct from professional and technical subjects.
historical
the medieval trivium and quadrivium.

liberal, as distinct from servile or mechanical (i.e., involving manual labor) and originally referring to arts and sciences considered "worthy of a free man"; later the word related to general intellectual development rather than vocational training.
 
2014-01-30 08:53:25 AM  
Would this school by chance have a high minority/disabled enrollment?  Much higher than the SLC norm?

checks....Oh my!  what a surprise!  Them chirruns must be uppity!
 
2014-01-30 08:55:30 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


Wow. You CAN say something that isn't pants-on-head stupid!

Good for you, keep it up!
 
2014-01-30 08:55:50 AM  

The Larch: AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

If they didn't charge for the food, the kids might eat when they're not even hungry!!!


Oh yeah. I didn't think of that. Clearly we should keep taking food away from kids, considering the issue from that perspective.

How could I have missed such a clear pitfall?
 
2014-01-30 08:56:06 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

I keed, I keed
 
2014-01-30 08:56:24 AM  

FTFA: The district attempted to contact parents with balances via phone Monday and Tuesday, Olsen said, but weren't able to reach them all before the child-nutrition manager soulless corporate paymaster douchbag decided to take away the students' lunches.


FTFA

 
2014-01-30 08:58:21 AM  

Turbo Cojones: Would this school by chance have a high minority/disabled enrollment?  Much higher than the SLC norm?

checks....Oh my!  what a surprise!  Them chirruns must be uppity!


Or thugs!  I bet some of them are even uppity thugs!
 
2014-01-30 08:58:55 AM  

pxlboy: the word related to general intellectual development rather than vocational training.


But not good enough for public schools.
 
2014-01-30 09:03:48 AM  

This About That: Self-import minor bureaucrat decides to make an impression by ripping lunch from the hands of young kids who can't defend themselves. He should have his career ripped out from under him and stuffed in the trash, but I'll bet it doesn't happen.


After he's repeatedly kicked in the yam bag.
 
2014-01-30 09:04:25 AM  
I would like to see this person's credit card statement. Those Christmas presents you bought for your family and friends, they must be returned to the store now.
 
2014-01-30 09:07:50 AM  
http://www.slcschools.org/board-of-education/board-meetings/documents / 2011-08-02-Exhibit-A2.pdf

Meet the SLC elementary school nutrition manager. Bonus: contains her salary info.
 
2014-01-30 09:08:11 AM  
WARNING:  Douchebagery is afoot!
 
2014-01-30 09:09:22 AM  
Jesus. Don't they realize that kids will kill themselves over hurt feelings nowadays?
 
2014-01-30 09:12:17 AM  
I started writing, and then deleted, about 4 different comments before deciding that mere words can't express how completely and totally f*cking moronic this is.
 
2014-01-30 09:13:17 AM  

hasty ambush: teto85: Utards.

You mean progressives and gays. Salt Lake City is pretty much an island of Blue in a Red state.

Salt Lake 'gay-friendly place to live'


i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-30 09:14:04 AM  
This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.
 
2014-01-30 09:14:36 AM  
Margaret Thatcher nods approvingly.
 
2014-01-30 09:16:56 AM  
Hold me.
 
2014-01-30 09:19:30 AM  
If poor people cant afford to pay for their rations, they shouldnt get any.
 
2014-01-30 09:21:13 AM  
Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.

I kind of agree with the person above who suggested that we just make the lunches a part of the service provided, but then we would have to raise taxes slightly to increase school funding, and that's pretty much anathema in the US. I don't think that you can just cut the program, because you would have kids that would never come to school with a lunch, and we've decided as a society that letting school age children starve while under the care of the state is not acceptable. Just provide a baseline lunch for everyone, and do away with all of the complexity and inequality in our current farked-up system. Yes, it would cost more per student each day, but it would also save the schools and the federal government a shiatload of time and money currently spent managing a broken system.
 
2014-01-30 09:25:34 AM  

This About That: Self-import minor bureaucrat decides to make an impression by ripping lunch from the hands of young kids who can't defend themselves. He should have his career ripped out from under him and stuffed in the trash, but I'll bet it doesn't happen.


I'm sure a promotion is in the works for being a take charge kind of person.
 
2014-01-30 09:25:38 AM  

LemSkroob: If poor people cant afford to pay for their rations, they shouldnt get any.


My issue was my mother made too much for me to get reduced or free meals, but not enough to actually afford the school lunches...see my solution for that in my post above. My senior year the policy changed and I was eligible for free meals. Sometimes the kids are in those situations because the parent makes 500 a year over the cutoff line. Sort of like folks who refuse pay raises because the extra 20 a month isn't worth losing 300 a month in benefits.
 
2014-01-30 09:25:53 AM  

Turbo Cojones: http://www.slcschools.org/board-of-education/board-meetings/documents / 2011-08-02-Exhibit-A2.pdf

Meet the SLC elementary school nutrition manager. Bonus: contains her salary info.


Bingo! We can fix this problem right here on Fark. We have here THREE individuals in this school district with the job title "Nutrition Manager" and each gets paid slightly above poverty level. If these three jobs were combined, maybe the position could pay enough to attract someone with some brains who actually gives a damn about the kids and their nutrition. Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?
 
2014-01-30 09:28:55 AM  

This About That: Turbo Cojones: http://www.slcschools.org/board-of-education/board-meetings/documents / 2011-08-02-Exhibit-A2.pdf

Meet the SLC elementary school nutrition manager. Bonus: contains her salary info.

Bingo! We can fix this problem right here on Fark. We have here THREE individuals in this school district with the job title "Nutrition Manager" and each gets paid slightly above poverty level. If these three jobs were combined, maybe the position could pay enough to attract someone with some brains who actually gives a damn about the kids and their nutrition. Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?



Isn't that just code for "Head Lunch Lady" or something?  Kinda like "Sanitation Engineer"...
 
2014-01-30 09:29:11 AM  
Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?

Why not fire those managers and pay for school lunches for everyone? It's win-win, except for the nutrition managers...
 
2014-01-30 09:31:18 AM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...


Aren't you a special one.
 
2014-01-30 09:32:36 AM  

Hoarf: FTA "Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. "  What she doesn't tell you is once you put money in your kid's account it can take up to 4 days for the system to notify the school that the money is there.  Paypams can suck it.


We have online pay too, $4.50 fee per kid per transaction. Eff that.
 
2014-01-30 09:32:41 AM  

DON.MAC: It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.


Yeah, some Jobsworth has just started the, well deserved, worst couple of years of their life. And you just know they are walking around with their nose in the air snotty attitude like they are the ones who were wronged.  I could almost feel sorry for the crap they are going to catch, almost but I don't.

Karma would be satisfied for their car to be repossessed from the school parking lot as school let out on a Monday.
 
2014-01-30 09:32:59 AM  

Blacksmithking: Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?

Why not fire those managers and pay for school lunches for everyone? It's win-win, except for the nutrition managers...


Now that you mention it, how many cheezy school lunches could one buy with $70,000 per year?
 
2014-01-30 09:34:35 AM  
chaffeenguyen.com
 
2014-01-30 09:35:35 AM  

teto85: Utards.


this
 
2014-01-30 09:35:54 AM  
So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.
 
2014-01-30 09:38:33 AM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...


I remember this. At the end you made the computer play itself at Tic Tac Toe to avoid humanity being wiped out by a nuclear holocaust.
 
2014-01-30 09:39:00 AM  

Poot beer: Aren't you a special one.


Meh, I got banninated form the computers in 8th grade in 1969 for swapping all the administrations genders in the personnel files.

You would think the logical thing would be to ask me how I did it, and ask me to help them secure their network.
It was still not secured for beans when I was running the network of a large corporation 10 years later right up the street.

good times.
 
2014-01-30 09:39:35 AM  
themormonreligion.com
Because taking food from poor children is what Jesus would do right?

Fark you Utah!
 
2014-01-30 09:40:37 AM  

DON.MAC: It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.



It didn't harm Margaret Thatcher ......responsible for removing free school milk and forever after known as "Maggie Thatcher, milk snatcher" long before she ever became British PM
 
2014-01-30 09:41:19 AM  
Is cash flow that tight?  Are the federal lunch payments retroactive if the right form is sent in?

My grade school had cards and the lunch lady had a hole punch.  That worked well.
 
2014-01-30 09:41:24 AM  

baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.


Wants to be. We're a clusterfarkist country for the moment.
 
2014-01-30 09:41:25 AM  
"Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead."

In other words, they were served lunch.

/probably better off than the obese regular kids
 
2014-01-30 09:46:11 AM  
Turbo Cojones:

Since this is public information, I hope very strongly the banhammer misses you.
 
2014-01-30 09:47:19 AM  
Something something small child-sized bootstraps something something.
 
2014-01-30 09:47:33 AM  

Epic Fap Session: skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...

I remember this. At the end you made the computer play itself at Tic Tac Toe to avoid humanity being wiped out by a nuclear holocaust.


Nah, nothing more than crappy security. Nothing on the alternate servers were protected. I assume they assumed we'd never go there or mess around when we were bored. I was surprised more that my botnet ran for 3 years after graduation...no point for me cause I didn't have physical access to obtain downloaded files and blackhatting isn't fun unless you see the results firsthand.
 
2014-01-30 09:50:53 AM  

captcaveman: [themormonreligion.com image 600x800]
Because taking food from poor children is what Jesus would do right?

Fark you Utah!


Who's the hippy?
 
2014-01-30 09:53:08 AM  
Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?
 
2014-01-30 09:55:18 AM  
Not sure how it is in other countries but in the US "% of students getting free lunch" is pretty much the standard barometer for how the local community is doing economically.

Our school district has moved from 8% to 40% over the last 10 years.
 
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