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(Salt Lake Tribune)   40 elementary school students in Utah get an early lesson on adult problems when their lunches are taken from them and thrown away because of an outstanding meal account debt   (sltrib.com) divider line 198
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2014-01-30 01:56:50 AM  
Utards.
 
2014-01-30 02:16:22 AM  
Self-import minor bureaucrat decides to make an impression by ripping lunch from the hands of young kids who can't defend themselves. He should have his career ripped out from under him and stuffed in the trash, but I'll bet it doesn't happen.
 
2014-01-30 02:24:31 AM  
"We understand the feelings of upset parents and students who say this was an embarrassing and humiliating situation. We again apologize and commit to working with parents in rectifying this situation and to ensuring students are never treated in this manner again."

I'd think that they could stop taking already served lunches out of the hands of children all on their own, without the need to "work with" parents.
 
2014-01-30 02:29:25 AM  
Wow.
 
2014-01-30 02:36:49 AM  
Just like Jesus would do.
 
2014-01-30 02:36:57 AM  
Cus the trash can turns the food back into money! F*cking retards. Pick up a goddamn phone.
 
2014-01-30 02:41:53 AM  
It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.
 
2014-01-30 05:09:25 AM  
We aren't hard enough on crappy parents.
Pay for your kids' stuff!  Keep on top of stuff!  You have to look out for them!  Expecting the world to be nice to your kid is horrible parenting!  If you don't want a kid, put it up for adoption early!  Put more thought into teaching your kids to live in a crappy world than into making the world less crappy to your kids.
 
2014-01-30 05:22:11 AM  
That will teach them not to waste food.
 
2014-01-30 05:34:02 AM  

staplermofo: We aren't hard enough on crappy parents.
Pay for your kids' stuff!  Keep on top of stuff!  You have to look out for them!  Expecting the world to be nice to your kid is horrible parenting!  If you don't want a kid, put it up for adoption early!  Put more thought into teaching your kids to live in a crappy world than into making the world less crappy to your kids.


It's not as easy as you think.

we make our kid's lunches so we don't have to deal with this stuff, butt...turns out my son didn't like what we were making for him, and for a few days he would either throw his lunch away or "forget it" and get a school lunch. a few weeks later we get some mail saying we owed for his school lunches.

shiat happens.
 
2014-01-30 05:48:52 AM  

log_jammin: shiat happens.


TO HORRIBLE PARENTS LIKE YOU, and your poor children, who should be raised by the state.
TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP OF YOUR LIFE!
 
2014-01-30 06:01:28 AM  

staplermofo: log_jammin: shiat happens.

TO HORRIBLE PARENTS LIKE YOU, and your poor children, who should be raised by the state.
TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP OF YOUR LIFE!


I'm getting on food stamps next week.
 
2014-01-30 06:05:02 AM  

log_jammin: I'm getting on food stamps next week.


Wanna form a suicide pact?  I keep chickening out.
 
2014-01-30 06:07:04 AM  

staplermofo: log_jammin: I'm getting on food stamps next week.

Wanna form a suicide pact?  I keep chickening out.


as soon as i get my government cheese, we'll talk about it.
 
2014-01-30 06:08:26 AM  

log_jammin: as soon as i get my government cheese, we'll talk about it.


Great, now I can't even die in a timely manner.  Thanks Obama.
 
2014-01-30 07:26:33 AM  
It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.
 
2014-01-30 07:55:42 AM  
But cafeteria workers weren't able to see which children owed money until they had already received lunches, Olsen explained.  The workers then took those lunches from the students and threw them away, he said, because once food is served to one student it can't be served to another

That sure is one farked up lesson plan they've got there.  Nice "child nutrition management" too.
 
2014-01-30 07:56:55 AM  

DON.MAC: It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.


This person sounds like a perfect candidate for "Child Protective Services".
 
2014-01-30 08:00:07 AM  
It looks like they have a whole department dedicated to stealing lunches.
 
2014-01-30 08:00:36 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: DON.MAC: It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.

This person sounds like a perfect candidate for "Child Protective Services".


If it wasn't Utah, I would think Catholic priest.
 
2014-01-30 08:17:03 AM  

staplermofo: log_jammin: shiat happens.

TO HORRIBLE PARENTS LIKE YOU, and your poor children, who should be raised by the state.
TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP OF YOUR LIFE!


Sometimes things like overtime hours at work, sick elderly parents and emergency vet visits while a spouse is out of town get in the way of remembering to send money to school. Like my week so far.

I got a polite call yesterday reminding me that my kids owe a few bucks for lunch. Check written, no big deal. I would raise major hell if they had food placed in front of them only to be dumped.

Parents who just don't pay should get a stern chat, don't harm kids because of bad parenting. For some kids, school lunch is all they get to eat. There is a federal free lunch program, sign them up.
 
2014-01-30 08:28:42 AM  

ytterbium: don't harm kids because of bad parenting


This is the attitude I can't stand.  Bad parenting hurts kids.  Virtually no amount of institutional asshattery can match bad or inadequate parenting's harm to children.  The idea that the school will always take care of the kids is way too trusted.  Mistakes happen, stuff is overlooked, whatever, but you should be on top of paying for your kid to eat. How the kid eats should be one of those things parents don't let slip.  The school screwed up, but the parents screwed up too.
 
2014-01-30 08:29:06 AM  
This is God's will.
 
2014-01-30 08:30:51 AM  
That's bullshiat.  That's humiliating.  I'm not one of those freaking snowflake type people either, but that sort of crosses the line.
 
2014-01-30 08:31:24 AM  
I'm betting the student's parents were Democrats... lazy, good for nothing, we think we are owed something, drug craving Democrats.  Get off your asses and pay your F*ing bills!

/Brought to you by the Republican National Committee
 
2014-01-30 08:31:39 AM  
Poor people get lunch for free and don't have debt. This taking away lunches would affect my kid. I don't qualify for free lunch or even discount lunch so I have to pay for lunch. My son loves to buy school food from time to time. Sometimes I forget to pay his bill. A lot of that has to do with the fact that a previous county used a credit sort of system. This county doesn't. So I get 50 calls demanded that 50 cents I forgot to pay.

So fussing about poor people is a waste of time. They don't have a bill or an account. They get it free.
 
2014-01-30 08:33:34 AM  

diaphoresis: I'm betting the student's parents were Democrats... lazy, good for nothing, we think we are owed something, drug craving Democrats.  Get off your asses and pay your F*ing bills!

/Brought to you by the Republican National Committee


lol
 
2014-01-30 08:34:05 AM  
Came for Chris Farley as the bus driver in Billy Madison eating school lunches.

Leaving disappointed.

/too lazy to do it mahself
 
2014-01-30 08:34:19 AM  
You'd think that one of the kids' sister-moms would be on top of the school lunch thing.
 
2014-01-30 08:34:57 AM  
Start breaking some kneecaps, THEN see if the rest if them pay up!
 
2014-01-30 08:34:58 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


Where is it codified that public schools provide meals? Stuff a gluten-free, peanut-free-butter sandwich with organic carrots and low-fat ranch in Johnny's paper-not-plastic bag and shoo him to the bus.
 
2014-01-30 08:35:22 AM  
Shouldn't they have been beaten with bootstraps and then sent out to pull slate from the coal pile to pay for it? (he says sarcastically)
 
2014-01-30 08:36:27 AM  

teto85: Utards.




You mean progressives and gays. Salt Lake City is pretty much an island of Blue in a Red state.

Salt Lake 'gay-friendly place to live'
 
2014-01-30 08:36:46 AM  

log_jammin: "We understand the feelings of upset parents and students who say this was an embarrassing and humiliating situation. We again apologize and commit to working with parents in rectifying this situation and to ensuring students are never treated in this manner again."

I'd think that they could stop taking already served lunches out of the hands of children all on their own, without the need to "work with" parents.


Yeah, insincere apologies are insincere.
School administrators and republicans are in the same boat.
They don't want logic taught at schools because it would be res ipsa loquitur that they are full of shiat every time they speak.
That's why they call it "Liberal" "Arts"
 
2014-01-30 08:36:49 AM  
School lunches are for closers.
 
2014-01-30 08:38:37 AM  

supichoo: Just like Jesus would do.


Maybe Jesus would have fed them all for free with loaves and fishes? God loves even you.
 
2014-01-30 08:38:46 AM  
Dum dum dum dum dum dum
 
2014-01-30 08:39:30 AM  
www.nachtkabarett.com

Ooo, there's another child that owes money.
 
2014-01-30 08:41:21 AM  

ninotchka: Poor people get lunch for free and don't have debt. This taking away lunches would affect my kid. I don't qualify for free lunch or even discount lunch so I have to pay for lunch. My son loves to buy school food from time to time. Sometimes I forget to pay his bill. A lot of that has to do with the fact that a previous county used a credit sort of system. This county doesn't. So I get 50 calls demanded that 50 cents I forgot to pay.

So fussing about poor people is a waste of time. They don't have a bill or an account. They get it free.


It probably costs them more than 50 cents to call you ONE time to try and collect. Can't they just send a bill home each week? Or quarterly?
 
2014-01-30 08:41:27 AM  
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"This f#ckin' guy..."
 
2014-01-30 08:41:43 AM  
FTA "Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. "  What she doesn't tell you is once you put money in your kid's account it can take up to 4 days for the system to notify the school that the money is there.  Paypams can suck it.
 
2014-01-30 08:41:59 AM  

vudukungfu: log_jammin: "We understand the feelings of upset parents and students who say this was an embarrassing and humiliating situation. We again apologize and commit to working with parents in rectifying this situation and to ensuring students are never treated in this manner again."

I'd think that they could stop taking already served lunches out of the hands of children all on their own, without the need to "work with" parents.

Yeah, insincere apologies are insincere.
School administrators and republicans are in the same boat.
They don't want logic taught at schools because it would be res ipsa loquitur that they are full of shiat every time they speak.
That's why they call it "Liberal" "Arts"


Thanks for bringing your stupid farking politics into the discussion. I can't tell if you're a troll or a farking moron.
 
2014-01-30 08:42:11 AM  
Those kids didn't drink their milk. It serves them right.
 
2014-01-30 08:43:13 AM  
This was on the Chappelle show....When keeping it conservative goes wrong
 
2014-01-30 08:43:33 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-30 08:44:55 AM  

staplermofo: ytterbium: don't harm kids because of bad parenting

This is the attitude I can't stand.  Bad parenting hurts kids.  Virtually no amount of institutional asshattery can match bad or inadequate parenting's harm to children.  The idea that the school will always take care of the kids is way too trusted.  Mistakes happen, stuff is overlooked, whatever, but you should be on top of paying for your kid to eat. How the kid eats should be one of those things parents don't let slip.  The school screwed up, but the parents screwed up too.


Soooo, how many kids have you got?
 
2014-01-30 08:45:09 AM  

staplermofo: ytterbium: don't harm kids because of bad parenting

This is the attitude I can't stand.  Bad parenting hurts kids.  Virtually no amount of institutional asshattery can match bad or inadequate parenting's harm to children.  The idea that the school will always take care of the kids is way too trusted.  Mistakes happen, stuff is overlooked, whatever, but you should be on top of paying for your kid to eat. How the kid eats should be one of those things parents don't let slip.  The school screwed up, but the parents screwed up too.


A screw up is not having enough food to meet demand and some people go without.  A screw up is unintentional.  This was a deliberate misguided disciplinary action targeted at kids who had no power/will/ability to cause or rectify this situation on their own.  It was wrong because:
1)  Did NOTHING to alleviate or defray the costs of the food served previously
2)  Wasted the food, the state money used to purchase the food, the time of the personnel used to serve the food, and if/when the parents do pay, I highly doubt they will be refunded the costs of the food thrown away by the school they would have then rightfully purchased.
3)  When examined logically the end goal was to cause the children enough shame and humiliation to pressure the parents into paying up.  If they wanted to simply deal with the parents a letter, phone-call, email would have sufficed.

Their excuses for how it went down don't fly either TFA says they called some of the parents, and the person said they decided to withhold lunches to prove a point.  However they didn't know who did/didn't owe anything until after the food was given out.  They SHOULD have waited one more day after all the facts were established then.  But they didn't.  They SHOULD have waited until all the folks involved were called.  But they didn't.  If they were already delinquent several days then ONE more day isn't going to mean crap if it means getting your information together so that your ass is at least covered if nothing else.

This is bullshiat and the person(s) responsible and involved should be fired.  You can cite destruction of government property as the cause because that is literally what they did.  Its no different than me defacing someones parking spot if they don't pay their parking fee on time.
 
2014-01-30 08:45:24 AM  

log_jammin: shiat happens.


In your case, it was called "childbirth."
 
2014-01-30 08:47:31 AM  
Justice will be served when the name and picture of the clown responsible for this child abuse is posted here.
 
2014-01-30 08:47:51 AM  
Who does that, take food away from hungry kids? Ugh. farking dickholes.
 
2014-01-30 08:48:51 AM  

StrikitRich: [www.nachtkabarett.com image 271x206]

Ooo, there's another child that owes money.


Damn, you just made me feel old.
 
2014-01-30 08:49:17 AM  
I liked that part in the Bible when Jesus did the loaves & fishes bit and was all like "None of you paid for this, I'm throwing this miracle in yon dumpster. Blessed are the child-nutrition managers, for they starve the children."
 
2014-01-30 08:50:04 AM  

bearcats1983: Thanks for bringing your stupid farking politics into the discussion. I can't tell if you're a troll or a farking moron


Quite a logical rebuttal.
 
2014-01-30 08:50:31 AM  
I hope the school's Facebook page blows up, and the nutrition guy gets a chance to try to feed his family on government aid.
 
2014-01-30 08:51:43 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.


If they didn't charge for the food, the kids might eat when they're not even hungry!!!
 
2014-01-30 08:53:10 AM  

vudukungfu: bearcats1983: Thanks for bringing your stupid farking politics into the discussion. I can't tell if you're a troll or a farking moron

Quite a logical rebuttal.


Given that the modern usage of 'liberal' has been pigeonholed into 'anything to the left of a conservative-leaning position', I'd say it was a valid question.


lib·er·al arts
noun
plural noun: liberal arts
1
.
academic subjects such as literature, philosophy, mathematics, and social and physical sciences as distinct from professional and technical subjects.
historical
the medieval trivium and quadrivium.

liberal, as distinct from servile or mechanical (i.e., involving manual labor) and originally referring to arts and sciences considered "worthy of a free man"; later the word related to general intellectual development rather than vocational training.
 
2014-01-30 08:53:25 AM  
Would this school by chance have a high minority/disabled enrollment?  Much higher than the SLC norm?

checks....Oh my!  what a surprise!  Them chirruns must be uppity!
 
2014-01-30 08:55:30 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


Wow. You CAN say something that isn't pants-on-head stupid!

Good for you, keep it up!
 
2014-01-30 08:55:50 AM  

The Larch: AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

If they didn't charge for the food, the kids might eat when they're not even hungry!!!


Oh yeah. I didn't think of that. Clearly we should keep taking food away from kids, considering the issue from that perspective.

How could I have missed such a clear pitfall?
 
2014-01-30 08:56:06 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

I keed, I keed
 
2014-01-30 08:56:24 AM  

FTFA: The district attempted to contact parents with balances via phone Monday and Tuesday, Olsen said, but weren't able to reach them all before the child-nutrition manager soulless corporate paymaster douchbag decided to take away the students' lunches.


FTFA

 
2014-01-30 08:58:21 AM  

Turbo Cojones: Would this school by chance have a high minority/disabled enrollment?  Much higher than the SLC norm?

checks....Oh my!  what a surprise!  Them chirruns must be uppity!


Or thugs!  I bet some of them are even uppity thugs!
 
2014-01-30 08:58:55 AM  

pxlboy: the word related to general intellectual development rather than vocational training.


But not good enough for public schools.
 
2014-01-30 09:03:48 AM  

This About That: Self-import minor bureaucrat decides to make an impression by ripping lunch from the hands of young kids who can't defend themselves. He should have his career ripped out from under him and stuffed in the trash, but I'll bet it doesn't happen.


After he's repeatedly kicked in the yam bag.
 
2014-01-30 09:04:25 AM  
I would like to see this person's credit card statement. Those Christmas presents you bought for your family and friends, they must be returned to the store now.
 
2014-01-30 09:07:50 AM  
http://www.slcschools.org/board-of-education/board-meetings/documents / 2011-08-02-Exhibit-A2.pdf

Meet the SLC elementary school nutrition manager. Bonus: contains her salary info.
 
2014-01-30 09:08:11 AM  
WARNING:  Douchebagery is afoot!
 
2014-01-30 09:09:22 AM  
Jesus. Don't they realize that kids will kill themselves over hurt feelings nowadays?
 
2014-01-30 09:12:17 AM  
I started writing, and then deleted, about 4 different comments before deciding that mere words can't express how completely and totally f*cking moronic this is.
 
2014-01-30 09:13:17 AM  

hasty ambush: teto85: Utards.

You mean progressives and gays. Salt Lake City is pretty much an island of Blue in a Red state.

Salt Lake 'gay-friendly place to live'


i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-30 09:14:04 AM  
This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.
 
2014-01-30 09:14:36 AM  
Margaret Thatcher nods approvingly.
 
2014-01-30 09:16:56 AM  
Hold me.
 
2014-01-30 09:19:30 AM  
If poor people cant afford to pay for their rations, they shouldnt get any.
 
2014-01-30 09:21:13 AM  
Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.

I kind of agree with the person above who suggested that we just make the lunches a part of the service provided, but then we would have to raise taxes slightly to increase school funding, and that's pretty much anathema in the US. I don't think that you can just cut the program, because you would have kids that would never come to school with a lunch, and we've decided as a society that letting school age children starve while under the care of the state is not acceptable. Just provide a baseline lunch for everyone, and do away with all of the complexity and inequality in our current farked-up system. Yes, it would cost more per student each day, but it would also save the schools and the federal government a shiatload of time and money currently spent managing a broken system.
 
2014-01-30 09:25:34 AM  

This About That: Self-import minor bureaucrat decides to make an impression by ripping lunch from the hands of young kids who can't defend themselves. He should have his career ripped out from under him and stuffed in the trash, but I'll bet it doesn't happen.


I'm sure a promotion is in the works for being a take charge kind of person.
 
2014-01-30 09:25:38 AM  

LemSkroob: If poor people cant afford to pay for their rations, they shouldnt get any.


My issue was my mother made too much for me to get reduced or free meals, but not enough to actually afford the school lunches...see my solution for that in my post above. My senior year the policy changed and I was eligible for free meals. Sometimes the kids are in those situations because the parent makes 500 a year over the cutoff line. Sort of like folks who refuse pay raises because the extra 20 a month isn't worth losing 300 a month in benefits.
 
2014-01-30 09:25:53 AM  

Turbo Cojones: http://www.slcschools.org/board-of-education/board-meetings/documents / 2011-08-02-Exhibit-A2.pdf

Meet the SLC elementary school nutrition manager. Bonus: contains her salary info.


Bingo! We can fix this problem right here on Fark. We have here THREE individuals in this school district with the job title "Nutrition Manager" and each gets paid slightly above poverty level. If these three jobs were combined, maybe the position could pay enough to attract someone with some brains who actually gives a damn about the kids and their nutrition. Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?
 
2014-01-30 09:28:55 AM  

This About That: Turbo Cojones: http://www.slcschools.org/board-of-education/board-meetings/documents / 2011-08-02-Exhibit-A2.pdf

Meet the SLC elementary school nutrition manager. Bonus: contains her salary info.

Bingo! We can fix this problem right here on Fark. We have here THREE individuals in this school district with the job title "Nutrition Manager" and each gets paid slightly above poverty level. If these three jobs were combined, maybe the position could pay enough to attract someone with some brains who actually gives a damn about the kids and their nutrition. Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?



Isn't that just code for "Head Lunch Lady" or something?  Kinda like "Sanitation Engineer"...
 
2014-01-30 09:29:11 AM  
Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?

Why not fire those managers and pay for school lunches for everyone? It's win-win, except for the nutrition managers...
 
2014-01-30 09:31:18 AM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...


Aren't you a special one.
 
2014-01-30 09:32:36 AM  

Hoarf: FTA "Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. "  What she doesn't tell you is once you put money in your kid's account it can take up to 4 days for the system to notify the school that the money is there.  Paypams can suck it.


We have online pay too, $4.50 fee per kid per transaction. Eff that.
 
2014-01-30 09:32:41 AM  

DON.MAC: It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.


Yeah, some Jobsworth has just started the, well deserved, worst couple of years of their life. And you just know they are walking around with their nose in the air snotty attitude like they are the ones who were wronged.  I could almost feel sorry for the crap they are going to catch, almost but I don't.

Karma would be satisfied for their car to be repossessed from the school parking lot as school let out on a Monday.
 
2014-01-30 09:32:59 AM  

Blacksmithking: Seriously, is "Nutrition Manager" an ENTIRE FULL TIME JOB?

Why not fire those managers and pay for school lunches for everyone? It's win-win, except for the nutrition managers...


Now that you mention it, how many cheezy school lunches could one buy with $70,000 per year?
 
2014-01-30 09:34:35 AM  
chaffeenguyen.com
 
2014-01-30 09:35:35 AM  

teto85: Utards.


this
 
2014-01-30 09:35:54 AM  
So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.
 
2014-01-30 09:38:33 AM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...


I remember this. At the end you made the computer play itself at Tic Tac Toe to avoid humanity being wiped out by a nuclear holocaust.
 
2014-01-30 09:39:00 AM  

Poot beer: Aren't you a special one.


Meh, I got banninated form the computers in 8th grade in 1969 for swapping all the administrations genders in the personnel files.

You would think the logical thing would be to ask me how I did it, and ask me to help them secure their network.
It was still not secured for beans when I was running the network of a large corporation 10 years later right up the street.

good times.
 
2014-01-30 09:39:35 AM  
themormonreligion.com
Because taking food from poor children is what Jesus would do right?

Fark you Utah!
 
2014-01-30 09:40:37 AM  

DON.MAC: It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.



It didn't harm Margaret Thatcher ......responsible for removing free school milk and forever after known as "Maggie Thatcher, milk snatcher" long before she ever became British PM
 
2014-01-30 09:41:19 AM  
Is cash flow that tight?  Are the federal lunch payments retroactive if the right form is sent in?

My grade school had cards and the lunch lady had a hole punch.  That worked well.
 
2014-01-30 09:41:24 AM  

baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.


Wants to be. We're a clusterfarkist country for the moment.
 
2014-01-30 09:41:25 AM  
"Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead."

In other words, they were served lunch.

/probably better off than the obese regular kids
 
2014-01-30 09:46:11 AM  
Turbo Cojones:

Since this is public information, I hope very strongly the banhammer misses you.
 
2014-01-30 09:47:19 AM  
Something something small child-sized bootstraps something something.
 
2014-01-30 09:47:33 AM  

Epic Fap Session: skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...

I remember this. At the end you made the computer play itself at Tic Tac Toe to avoid humanity being wiped out by a nuclear holocaust.


Nah, nothing more than crappy security. Nothing on the alternate servers were protected. I assume they assumed we'd never go there or mess around when we were bored. I was surprised more that my botnet ran for 3 years after graduation...no point for me cause I didn't have physical access to obtain downloaded files and blackhatting isn't fun unless you see the results firsthand.
 
2014-01-30 09:50:53 AM  

captcaveman: [themormonreligion.com image 600x800]
Because taking food from poor children is what Jesus would do right?

Fark you Utah!


Who's the hippy?
 
2014-01-30 09:53:08 AM  
Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?
 
2014-01-30 09:55:18 AM  
Not sure how it is in other countries but in the US "% of students getting free lunch" is pretty much the standard barometer for how the local community is doing economically.

Our school district has moved from 8% to 40% over the last 10 years.
 
2014-01-30 09:57:33 AM  

vudukungfu: Poot beer: Aren't you a special one.

Meh, I got banninated form the computers in 8th grade in 1969 for swapping all the administrations genders in the personnel files.

You would think the logical thing would be to ask me how I did it, and ask me to help them secure their network.
It was still not secured for beans when I was running the network of a large corporation 10 years later right up the street.

good times.


That's funny. I bet you learned the "don't do anything too obvious" rule of "hacking" then.
 
2014-01-30 09:59:44 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

Maybe it was Utah....
 
2014-01-30 10:00:44 AM  

pxlboy: vudukungfu: bearcats1983: Thanks for bringing your stupid farking politics into the discussion. I can't tell if you're a troll or a farking moron

Quite a logical rebuttal.

Given that the modern usage of 'liberal' has been pigeonholed into 'anything to the left of a conservative-leaning position', I'd say it was a valid question.


lib·er·al arts
noun
plural noun: liberal arts
1.
academic subjects such as literature, philosophy, mathematics, and social and physical sciences as distinct from professional and technical subjects.
historical
the medieval trivium and quadrivium.

liberal, as distinct from servile or mechanical (i.e., involving manual labor) and originally referring to arts and sciences considered "worthy of a free man"; later the word related to general intellectual development rather than vocational training.

 
2014-01-30 10:00:54 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


This is all a very interesting point.  And it extends to further than just lunch.
I can't tell you how many times one of my kids have come to me to print something out, or cover a book, pay for a concert within the school (that one really makes no sense), or anything along those lines.

We pay the highest taxes in the country, and the majority of it goes to the schools.  So why do we have to pay even more for services that the school should be providing already?

That's a rhetorical question.  I know the answer.  The schools are mismanaged, and much of the administration is overpaid and unnecessary.  Do we really need 16 different Superintendants for 16 different sections of 16 seperate districts?  Why don't we combine them and have ONE to oversee them all?!  (just one example)
 
2014-01-30 10:01:57 AM  

Hoarf: FTA "Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. "  What she doesn't tell you is once you put money in your kid's account it can take up to 4 days for the system to notify the school that the money is there.  Paypams can suck it.


Plus there is a surcharge for every deposit.
 
2014-01-30 10:05:49 AM  

durbnpoisn: AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.

This is all a very interesting point.  And it extends to further than just lunch.
I can't tell you how many times one of my kids have come to me to print something out, or cover a book, pay for a concert within the school (that one really makes no sense), or anything along those lines.

We pay the highest taxes in the country, and the majority of it goes to the schools.  So why do we have to pay even more for services that the school should be providing already?

That's a rhetorical question.  I know the answer.  The schools are mismanaged, and much of the administration is overpaid and unnecessary.  Do we really need 16 different Superintendants for 16 different sections of 16 seperate districts?  Why don't we combine them and have ONE to oversee them all?!  (just one example)


School administration insulates itself from consequences in the same way that Zapp Brannigan defeated "the rampaging horde of killbots"; just throw everyone below you to the wolves.
 
2014-01-30 10:05:51 AM  
"Suffer the little children" means something else, I think.

/Yes, I know Jesus has been invoked already.
 
2014-01-30 10:10:00 AM  

mod3072: Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.

I kind of agree with the person above who suggested that we just make the lunches a part of the service provided, but then we would have to raise taxes slightly to increase school funding, and that's pretty much anathema in the US. I don't think that you can just cut the program, because you would have kids that would never come to school with a lunch, and we've decided as a society that letting school age children starve while under the care of the state is not acceptable. Just provide a baseline lunch for everyone, and do away with all of the complexity and inequality in our current farked-up system. Yes, it would cost more per student each day, but it would also save the schools and the federal government a shiatload of time and money currently spent managing a broken system.


Quite a few communities in Nebraska provide school lunches all year round - even during the summer months. If you are driving through on I-80 with your kids, stop by at the nearest school for lunch. They'll feed you.

So it isn't necessarily about money for those school lunch programs heavily subsidized by the government.
 
2014-01-30 10:12:01 AM  

baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.


Some people like Andrew Carnegie figured educating poor students meant that fewer of them were likely to stab you didn't think it was socialist at all.  He might have been the 1st US 1%er
 
2014-01-30 10:12:16 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?


Meh, lunches weren't free when I was going to school in the 80's (unless you were poor enough, in which case I think there might have been subsidies).  This is not exactly a new phenomenon, though this level of ass-holery is something I've never heard of before.
 
2014-01-30 10:13:04 AM  

Madame Ovary: Hoarf: FTA "Olsen said the district encourages parents to use its electronic system to pay for lunches and set up email notifications. "  What she doesn't tell you is once you put money in your kid's account it can take up to 4 days for the system to notify the school that the money is there.  Paypams can suck it.

Plus there is a surcharge for every deposit.


At my school we'd just give the lunch lady money and she'd add it to the account right then. We didn't have another way.

Any system that takes 4 days to add funds for children's food is ridiculous.
 
2014-01-30 10:14:14 AM  
You gotta love red states.
 
2014-01-30 10:16:24 AM  
Here's the scenario from the other side. I'm not trolling and I find the action entirely indefensible. That said, here's Beowolf from Grendel's point of view.

The nutrition administrator (n.a.) has to manage the program, watch over employees, order food, handle waste disposal, work within a budget and deal with administrators above them. The n.a. does this for the equivalent of $12/hr. plus some benefits which I assume are crappy.

At some point, probabaly every week, some upper management type says 'Hey n.a. you're falling behind on accounts receiveable. Handle it.' We don't know how far behind those parents are, weeks? months? So after letters are sent, n.a. spends an afternoon, maybe after regular hours, calling the parents themselves.

The parents cannnot be bothered to even return a phone call. So the n.a. finally snaps and says 'How the Fark am I going to get their attention? I know, I'll do something that will make them take notice.'

The n.a. knew what was going to come after that, they knew they were going to be pilloried, they didn't care anymore. This was an act of desperation by someone at the end of their rope.
 
2014-01-30 10:16:49 AM  

baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.


There's no black-and-white answer to that question.  Some* services in the US are "socialized" (provided for the common good out of tax revenue), others are not.  Socialism is a continuum -- it's not binary.

/ * public education, fire service, national defense, air ports & air traffic control, the FDA & CDC, police service, public roads, some elements of major utility infrastructure, etc., etc.
 
2014-01-30 10:19:44 AM  
DON.MAC:  He might have been the 1st US 1%er

As soon as there were 100+ people in the United States, there was a 1%er.
 
2014-01-30 10:21:34 AM  

jshine: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Meh, lunches weren't free when I was going to school in the 80's (unless you were poor enough, in which case I think there might have been subsidies).  This is not exactly a new phenomenon, though this level of ass-holery is something I've never heard of before.



Same here. I was on the reduced lunch program as a kid. Just sayin'. As I think about it, its stupid.
 
2014-01-30 10:21:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.



Because there is no such thing as a "Free Lunch".



The School lunch program  (which is filled with so much waste, fraud and abuse it would put and DoD procurement program to shame) is part of a "means tested" welfare  system.  Just as not everybody gets food stamps, section 8 housing , WIC, MEDICAID or over 50 other  means tested welfare programs, not everybody gets free lunch. (which is at least in part funded by there Federal government).


Fraud in the Lunchroom

No proof of income, such as a pay stub or W-2 form, is required when parents apply. That's in contrast to other federal nutrition entitlements, including the food stamp program, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). Normally, SNAP applicants must "file an application form, have a face-to-face interview, and provide proof (verification) of certain information, such as income and expenses."

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), the nation's second-largest district with an enrollment of about 700,000 students, had the highest rate of reduced or repealed benefits (93 percent) for the 2007-08 school year. Of 3,401 program participants asked to verify their income, 2,650 (78 percent) did not respond to the verification request; 215 (6 percent) provided evidence that reduced their benefits from free or reduced-price to paid; 291 (9 percent) provided income evidence that reduced their meal benefits from free to reduced-price; 233 (7 percent) provided evidence to justify their initial report of income; and 12 (less than 1 percent) provided evidence that increased their benefits.



It is good for students to see how welfare works.
There are the tax slaves who  pay into the system and there are the welfare recipients who take from it

 
2014-01-30 10:23:46 AM  

Madame Ovary: mod3072: Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.

I kind of agree with the person above who suggested that we just make the lunches a part of the service provided, but then we would have to raise taxes slightly to increase school funding, and that's pretty much anathema in the US. I don't think that you can just cut the program, because you would have kids that would never come to school with a lunch, and we've decided as a society that letting school age children starve while under the care of the state is not acceptable. Just provide a baseline lunch for everyone, and do away with all of the complexity and inequality in our current farked-up system. Yes, it would cost more per student each day, but it would also save the schools and the federal government a shiatload of time and money currently spent managing a broken system.

Quite a few communities in Nebraska provide school lunches all year round - even during the summer months. If you are driving through on I-80 with your kids, stop by at the nearest school for lunch. They'll feed you.

So it isn't necessarily about money for those school lunch programs heavily subsidized by the government.


Aren't those programs still generally income-based? I know that in order to get the federal subsidy, the family has to meet certain income guidelines. If the state is saying "fark it" and kicking in the extra cash to make sure that everyone gets fed, then good on them.
 
2014-01-30 10:26:23 AM  

hasty ambush: AverageAmericanGuy: Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


Because there is no such thing as a "Free Lunch".

The School lunch program  (which is filled with so much waste, fraud and abuse it would put and DoD procurement program to shame) is part of a "means tested" welfare  system.  Just as not everybody gets food stamps, section 8 housing , WIC, MEDICAID or over 50 other  means tested welfare programs, not everybody gets free lunch. (which is at least in part funded by there Federal government).
Fraud in the Lunchroom

No proof of income, such as a pay stub or W-2 form, is required when parents apply. That's in contrast to other federal nutrition entitlements, including the food stamp program, now called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP). Normally, SNAP applicants must "file an application form, have a face-to-face interview, and provide proof (verification) of certain information, such as income and expenses."

The Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD), the nation's second-largest district with an enrollment of about 700,000 students, had the highest rate of reduced or repealed benefits (93 percent) for the 2007-08 school year. Of 3,401 program participants asked to verify their income, 2,650 (78 percent) did not respond to the verification request; 215 (6 percent) provided evidence that reduced their benefits from free or reduced-price to paid; 291 (9 percent) provided income evidence that reduced their meal benefits from free to reduced-price; 233 (7 percent) provide ...


add to that  from same link:

~~Efforts to authorize an audit came crashing down in September when the USDA threatened to cut off the district's $34 million lunch-program subsidy for the 2007-08 school year if it proceeded with a full verification. School-district attorneys subsequently received a written order from the USDA saying that an audit beyond the mandated 3 percent would be illegal under federal law.
The National School Lunch Act does not specifically address the legality of a school district going beyond the 3,000 or 3 percent benchmark. The USDA, however, interprets the law to disallow a comprehensive verification. The 2008 version of the "Eligibility Manual for School Meals," published by the USDA, says
that school districts "must not verify more than or less than the standard sample size ... and must not verify all (100% of) applications" (emphasis in original).
 
2014-01-30 10:29:32 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?


Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?
 
2014-01-30 10:30:48 AM  

jshine: baconbeard: So *is* USA a socialist country, or isn't it? I'm getting mixed messages.

There's no black-and-white answer to that question.  Some* services in the US are "socialized" (provided for the common good out of tax revenue), others are not.  Socialism is a continuum -- it's not binary.

/ * public education, fire service, national defense, air ports & air traffic control, the FDA & CDC, police service, public roads, some elements of major utility infrastructure, etc., etc.


Seem reasonable. The reason I asked is the impression I get is that the USA desperately wants (or needs) to become a socialist country, but people are adamantly against "socialism" if it helps someone other than themselves (which is kind of the entire point of socialism).
 
2014-01-30 10:31:56 AM  
Same thing happened in my town a while back, seems like a growing fad.

I'm sure that something will come of this and that.....wait, nope, it's already been forgotten.
 
2014-01-30 10:32:17 AM  

69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?



You sound like a guy who has been fed all of his life, but thinks that he accomplished something. Maybe they should all get a loan from their dad, amirite?
 
2014-01-30 10:32:33 AM  

69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?



You forgot the gaming console of their choice, housing, a car when they are old enough to drive and a trip to Cabbo during spring  break of their senior year in high school
 
2014-01-30 10:32:53 AM  

69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?


That is a pretty slippery slope that you just slung your logical fallacy down.
 
2014-01-30 10:34:44 AM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.


All of this sounds like bullshiat.
 
2014-01-30 10:37:36 AM  

FatherChaos: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x373]

I keed, I keed



I'm stealing that.
 
2014-01-30 10:37:40 AM  

tripleseven: skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.

All of this sounds like bullshiat.


It might, but it's 100% true.
 
2014-01-30 10:38:32 AM  

baconbeard: Seem reasonable. The reason I asked is the impression I get is that the USA desperately wants (or needs) to become a socialist country, but people are adamantly against "socialism" if it helps someone other than themselves (which is kind of the entire point of socialism).


In other words what the other guys get is pork or welfare but what they get is an entitlement-look at  the recent farm bill and the approx. 35% of famers who get something from it
 
2014-01-30 10:41:23 AM  

hasty ambush: 69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?


You forgot the gaming console of their choice, housing, a car when they are old enough to drive and a trip to Cabbo during spring  break of their senior year in high school


Of course, these items are completely analogous to lunch and a textbook.
 
2014-01-30 10:41:41 AM  

skeevy420: tripleseven: skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Probably didn't help that I beat her son's ass either.

All of this sounds like bullshiat.

It might, but it's 100% true.


And since you added the part about your botnet running for three years after you left, it just made me believe all the more that its true.
 
2014-01-30 10:42:41 AM  

mod3072: Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.


Our district lets you go to -$5 then the kids get a cheese sandwhich, fruit, and a drink until the balance is paid.  I've had my son's account get to -$4 before due to him forgetting to give me the paper saying he needed money.  Crap happens but to throw away the food is pants on head retarded, the food is a waste anyway so let the kids eat and add that to their balance, make a note to give them the bare bones meal from then on.

God my son goes through food at school like it's going out of style.  In the last 13 days of school he's used $51.
 
2014-01-30 10:51:51 AM  

hasty ambush: 69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?


You forgot the gaming console of their choice, housing, a car when they are old enough to drive and a trip to Cabbo during spring  break of their senior year in high school


You obviously haven't worked with the kids getting free lunches. For many of my former students, the breakfast and lunch they got at school might be the only thing they eat all day. They didn't have cell phones and if they had a console, it wasn't a current generation. No computers at home or if they had one, it was a hand me down with no internet access. Most of those kids either ride the bus or walk. And after school, they get to go home and take care of their younger siblings.

These are some of the same kids that we took up collections for to make sure they had a cap and gown, let alone a trip. They passed around yearbook inserts (not the yearbook) so they could fit in at the end of the year. If they go to prom, they get their dresses or suits from Goodwill or the school's 'prom closet' that are usually hand me downs from staff and a caring teacher drives them because prom is held 30 or so miles away from school.

I've had kids that were excited because it was the first time in their lives that the family was able to scratch up extra cash to have Christmas presents.

I'll take the cheats if it means the majority of the kids are fed. They seriously have no extras.
 
2014-01-30 10:57:03 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all. If you feel you'd rather bring your own lunch or attend a private school, then that is on you to find a way to pay for it. In the meantime, the public services are available to you.

If the school can't provide lunches to all with the current budget, then cut the lunches completely. Either all get lunches or none get lunches. This half-assed lunch program hurts the poor who need the lunches the most but are least able to pay.


There is or at least was a free/reduced lunch program.  You apply at the start of the school year.  Though I wouldn't be surprised if a republican somewhere saw feeding poor kids as wasteful spending and cut that program since I was in school.
 
2014-01-30 10:58:17 AM  
what kind of subhuman maggot takes food from a child?
 
2014-01-30 11:02:16 AM  
ph# 801 578 8340.

Call today. They have "Child Nutrition Technician" positions open.  Maybe you too can be the one to snatch a kids lunch and trash it for the lulz.
 
2014-01-30 11:06:33 AM  
Gotta love the fact the state is using database software that only allows them to check the account balance AFTER a meal has been put together and scanned for purchase, putting the lunch supervisors in a position to throw away the food in front of the child or risk termination for disobeying protocol. Lunch supervisors are the absolute worst employees, technically, because they routinely break the rules:allowing students to take the food and owe money (not allowed) and distributing unused food to other employees instead of throwing it away(even worse by district standards.)

Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

/Nation school district administration's guiding principle: W.W.Hitler D,
 
2014-01-30 11:06:57 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: But cafeteria workers weren't able to see which children owed money until they had already received lunches, Olsen explained.  The workers then took those lunches from the students and threw them away, he said, because once food is served to one student it can't be served to another

That sure is one farked up lesson plan they've got there.  Nice "child nutrition management" too.


Because it would be too hard to just write down the names of the kids with an outstanding balance, send a letter home with a comply by date, and giving a fair amount warning.

Gotta teach the little ones about petty bureaucracy and little tyrants early!
 
2014-01-30 11:11:05 AM  

PapaChester: Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.


Lunch system is usually always completely seperate from the normal network.  I would say look for a new product but those products are not cheap.  How about complain to the company to add in that one database field that probably would take a minute of coding.  All of the software that I have seen looks like it was made in VB6, wouldn't be hard to make another field and point it to current balance.
 
2014-01-30 11:15:51 AM  
"It was pretty traumatic and humiliating,"

Everything that happens to kids at that age is traumatic and humiliating.  If you just look at these kids wrong they will go throw themselves into high speed traffic.  They have been evolving for millions of years into a form that if you breath on them they will wither and die while you watch.
The workers then took those lunches from the students and threw them away, he said, because once food is served to one student it can't be served to another.

FFS!  what knuckle dragger thought this was the correct thing to do?
 
2014-01-30 11:20:31 AM  

TNel: PapaChester: Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

Lunch system is usually always completely seperate from the normal network.  I would say look for a new product but those products are not cheap.  How about complain to the company to add in that one database field that probably would take a minute of coding.  All of the software that I have seen looks like it was made in VB6, wouldn't be hard to make another field and point it to current balance.


And the other problem is that in a lot of places, the database admin (if they even have one) isn't always involved in purchasing the software.

When I worked Parks and Rec, we bought a new system that ended up being a huge piece of junk (and it was like 100kish). It would 'lose' stuff all the time. Within a couple of years, it was painfully obvious that the software wasn't up to snuff.

When they decided to replace it, they brought along the city's DB admin to grill the vendors and got a far better system.

//in my experience, school district IT folks aren't the most competent. They usually pay peanuts compared to the private sector and the good ones move on.
 
2014-01-30 11:21:07 AM  
When I was 13, my mom had a really bad car accident. Really bad. She was in the hospital for more than six months. Then she was in a rehabilitation center for another six months. My dad would go to work. From work, he would go to the hospital. He'd stay there until 9:30 or 10 PM. You know what? He had a hard time thinking of a lot of things during that period, but he was not a bad dad. If I hadn't packed lunches for my dad, my little sister, and myself, there very well could have been days when we didn't have money for school lunches. Not because we didn't have enough money, but because there was a lot of stuff going on, and my dad was at a ragged edge.

Now, if someone at my little sister's school had been instructed to rip her lunch out of her hands and throw it into the garbage right in front of her and her classmates (because you know the other kinds are going to be as kind as children usually are about such things), I would not have looked kindly upon them. If they started harassing my dad, it would be a major issue.
 
2014-01-30 11:21:08 AM  

TNel: PapaChester: Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

Lunch system is usually always completely seperate from the normal network.  I would say look for a new product but those products are not cheap.  How about complain to the company to add in that one database field that probably would take a minute of coding.  All of the software that I have seen looks like it was made in VB6, wouldn't be hard to make another field and point it to current balance.


Totally, but the information administrators are the ones who purchase and configure the lunch system network. The nutrition technicians get no input, and the nutrition administrators are usually quite inept when dealing with software, hardware, any-ware. In our district, each nutrition technician, i.e. lunch lady, has a three ringed notebook with a page for every teacher they can scan individual student bar codes to charge or scan the teacher bar code to bring up a full page of class balances, all in the sweet glow of monochrome. In middle and high schools it is done by grade and first letter of the last name. And ALL these scans get done before a child even picks up the tray.
 
2014-01-30 11:25:48 AM  

PapaChester: Gotta love the fact the state is using database software that only allows them to check the account balance AFTER a meal has been put together and scanned for purchase, putting the lunch supervisors in a position to throw away the food in front of the child or risk termination for disobeying protocol. Lunch supervisors are the absolute worst employees, technically, because they routinely break the rules:allowing students to take the food and owe money (not allowed) and distributing unused food to other employees instead of throwing it away(even worse by district standards.)

Fire the superintendent and all people involved in their computer/information office. Notepad makes for poor lunch database software, douchebags.

/Nation school district administration's guiding principle: W.W.Hitler D,


This is likely a training issue.  ie. the dumbasses didn't know how to look it up, so this was their solution.

2 of my companies clients are schools, and yeah, you can look up the balances.  They could, however, be using some old piece of shiat software, but doubtful.
 
2014-01-30 11:26:51 AM  

PapaChester: Totally, but the information administrators are the ones who purchase and configure the lunch system network.


Not at all.  Trust me the Food Service department does not talk with the IT department other than "will this software work on the network".  That's it, they do not go and see the demo or anything they are only asked if it works.  At our school the kids enter their unique student id into a keypad that is fed to the POS machine that pulls up the student picture how much money they have on their account and if they have any allergies.

Schools are weird because they complain about the IT, but they never ask them for support before purchases only after then complain when it doesn't fully suit their needs.
 
2014-01-30 11:28:51 AM  
It's sad that the "consolation lunch" is milk and fruit. What's the regular lunch? Candy and soda? Hot dogs and chili cheese fries?
 
2014-01-30 11:32:30 AM  

selfmedicating: "Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead."

In other words, they were served lunch.

/probably better off than the obese regular kids


Came to say this.

Can I just run up a tab in order to ensure I don't get served limp, canned, french-cut, green beans and some instant potatoes?
 
2014-01-30 11:35:31 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school.

Like public schools themselves, these are public services which should be free to all.


I attended public school throughout the entire 1980s and there was always a charge for lunch.

When and where did you go to school?
 
2014-01-30 11:36:05 AM  
I work with a couple of bible banging "christians" and brought this up to them at our morning meeting a half hour ago.

I got exactly the response I expected.  Of course, they talked about how the parents should pay their bills and they are probably just a bunch of lazy democrats.  I swear, these people are so stereotypical.
 
2014-01-30 11:43:17 AM  

selfmedicating: "Children whose lunches were taken were given milk and fruit instead."

In other words, they were served lunch.

/probably better off than the obese regular kids


Yes, after the ritual humiliation in front of their peers, I am certain that a 220 calorie lunch (150 calories for whole milk and 70 calories for a piece of fruit) instead of the minimum recommended 400* calories for a totally sedentary child would have been a balm for them.

Daily Estimated Calories and Recommended Servings for Grains, Fruits, Vegetables, and Milk/Dairy by Age and Gender (Calorie estimates are based on a sedentary lifestyle. Increased physical activity will require additional calories: by 0-200 kcal/d if moderately physically active; and by 200-400 kcal/d if very physically active.)
 Years  4-8

Female  1200 kcal
Male      1400 kcal

Years 9-13
Female  1600 kcal
Male      1800 kcal
 
2014-01-30 11:43:59 AM  
No matter where you fall on this issue, the damn school wasted 40 lunches and taxes are paying for them if they were consumed or not.
 
2014-01-30 11:50:09 AM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...


You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hacker+busted+for+bragging
 
2014-01-30 11:52:23 AM  

Big_Doofus: I work with a couple of bible banging "christians" and brought this up to them at our morning meeting a half hour ago.

I got exactly the response I expected.  Of course, they talked about how the parents should pay their bills and they are probably just a bunch of lazy democrats.  I swear, these people are so stereotypical.


Yea I am sure that happened.
 
2014-01-30 11:55:46 AM  

jshine: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Meh, lunches weren't free when I was going to school in the 80's (unless you were poor enough, in which case I think there might have been subsidies).  This is not exactly a new phenomenon, though this level of ass-holery is something I've never heard of before.


Somebody else did the same thing at another school not that long ago. Got the same bad reaction, too. When I was at school, the school lunch was cash upfront unless your parents qualified for food stamps, in which case it was free. Saved a good deal of bullshiat. Maybe they should go back to that.
 
2014-01-30 11:56:16 AM  

Pangea: You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hacker+busted+for+bragging


I don't believe his story because all students get 1 account that is their unique student ID.  For him to have 4 accounts it would have to be his plus 3 of his friends.  Almost all accounts in the schools networks are admin accounts due to the nightmare of having to deal with "User" accounts in that kind of setting.  Group Policy would be pushed down to limit what you can and can't do.

So for his story to be true it you take an entire IT department to be so incompetant that it would be stuff of legends.
 
2014-01-30 12:04:39 PM  

TNel: Pangea: You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hacker+busted+for+bragging

So for his story to be true it you take an entire IT department to be so incompetant that it would be stuff of legends.



My comment was more along the lines of Bender's question from The Breakfast Club.

"Other than your vast experience with Canadian women, have you ever dated anyone from our country?"

www.neighborhoodarchive.com
 
2014-01-30 12:05:00 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Somebody else did the same thing at another school not that long ago. Got the same bad reaction, too. When I was at school, the school lunch was cash upfront unless your parents qualified for food stamps, in which case it was free. Saved a good deal of bullshiat. Maybe they should go back to that.


Yeah let's go back to bullies shaking down kids for their cash that was a much better system.  Having an account that at the beginning of the month you can add $100 is worlds better than making sure you always have $3 cash on you to send in every day with your kid, then what if he's extra hungry and wants more?  Cash would work better for HS but Elementary needs an account based system.
 
2014-01-30 12:05:26 PM  

69gnarkill69: DROxINxTHExWIND: Smh. Why the fark isn't feeding the children included in the price of an education? What the fark is so hard about getting every child a textbook and a hot meal and what kind of piece of shiat would oppose that?

Why stop at including meals in the price of an education? Clothing, health care and cell phones should also be included.  Why do you hate poor kids?


Because he was attempting to NOT be a raging ass. Something some folks *glares* have failed miserably at.
 
2014-01-30 12:07:14 PM  
You gotta teach 'em by example what working for a living is going to be like, especially when Obama takes the extra kidney away they don't need
 
2014-01-30 12:11:04 PM  

Pangea: My comment was more along the lines of Bender's question from The Breakfast Club.

"Other than your vast experience with Canadian women, have you ever dated anyone from our country?"


I know and I should have replied to the one you replied to but got a bit lazy.
 
2014-01-30 12:21:04 PM  

staplermofo: Put more thought into teaching your kids to live in a crappy world than into making the world less crappy to your kids.


And if you don't, institutions purportedly designed to specifically serve and protect children will intentionally act against them. How else will they learn that their parents suck?

Or, you know, we could just commit to feeding children even when things don't go right.
 
2014-01-30 12:25:33 PM  

ur14me: Where is it codified that public schools provide meals?


In the part of the law that we decide children shouldn't starve to death, even though they aren't directly eligible for societal benefits. If you'd rather just give them money I'm all for that. But reduced price and free school lunches (and breakfasts) are a huge part of our social safety net, as children are currently not allowed to receive social security or other forms of welfare.
 
2014-01-30 12:36:30 PM  

diaphoresis: I'm betting the student's parents were Democrats... lazy, good for nothing, we think we are owed something, drug craving Democrats.  Get off your asses and pay your F*ing bills!

/Brought to you by the Republican National Committee


Democrats, in Utah?  You have to be kidding
 
2014-01-30 12:49:59 PM  

TNel: Pangea: You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hacker+busted+for+bragging

I don't believe his story because all students get 1 account that is their unique student ID.  For him to have 4 accounts it would have to be his plus 3 of his friends.  Almost all accounts in the schools networks are admin accounts due to the nightmare of having to deal with "User" accounts in that kind of setting.  Group Policy would be pushed down to limit what you can and can't do.

So for his story to be true it you take an entire IT department to be so incompetant that it would be stuff of legends.


Know how I know you aren't an IT guy? A) No all accounts aren't Admin accounts. Hell even a retarded monkey wouldnt do that especially today when kids are tech savvy possibly more so that the 50 yr old local computer guy the cheap ass school system hired to be the admin. If what you say is true and they did set all accounts as admin all he would have to do is create a new account. Admins tend to be able to do things like that.  FYI Group policies are great and all but if you limit the account of an admin then psst it isn't an admin account any longer.
As to your last statement have you ever seen a high school's IT folks not reach that level of incompetence?  I mean really theres a reason they don't work in corporate IT environments.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:46 PM  

Netrngr: Know how I know you aren't an IT guy? A) No all accounts aren't Admin accounts. Hell even a retarded monkey wouldnt do that especially today when kids are tech savvy possibly more so that the 50 yr old local computer guy the cheap ass school system hired to be the admin. If what you say is true and they did set all accounts as admin all he would have to do is create a new account. Admins tend to be able to do things like that. FYI Group policies are great and all but if you limit the account of an admin then psst it isn't an admin account any longer.
As to your last statement have you ever seen a high school's IT folks not reach that level of incompetence? I mean really theres a reason they don't work in corporate IT environments.


Local computer account is not the same as a network account.   Group policy can disable a bunch of things and you can set the admin account to not being able to do a lot of things.  Yes I am in IT and yes the accounts are admin due to having it easier to push things.  Granted we are not a AD shop and could be why we do it the way we do.  But if you wanted to make 100 local admin accounts... go right ahead because it will not change your network presence.

On base we are on limited accounts and it's god awful when a minor setting needs changed and have to wait weeks for people to come by and login with the admin account to do something trivial.

Plus Deep Freeze is awesome for student accounts.
 
2014-01-30 01:21:01 PM  

skeevy420: This right here is why I poked around on my school's network back in the day. Figured out the right Novell program to run, made me an administrator account, added my own funds to my lunch account, made backup user profiles (my official login was banned 50% of high school), backdoors so I could Kazaa and eMule(1999-2003 dammit) with T1 versus 56k, and more. To not get caught I'd add 5 or 10 bucks a month as well as selecting random accounts and increasing their funds.

Words of wisdom: if you only mess with your account and never add real cash you will be caught. Tweaking multiple accounts insures they'll think bug or glitch over hacker. Something, something, social engineering.

CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...


Oh this brings back memories, 1995 to 2005 was a golden age for farking with school systems.

-One time we caught the school's "Network Admin" playing star craft.

-A friend of mine got expelled for a day for sending out a net message of "Star Wars Rules!" to all the school computers.

-Our programming classroom computers didn't have internet, BUT we discovered a few ethernet jacks installed behind our desks. So we brought in our own ethernet cords in. We didn't get caught for months and it was only because our programming teacher saw Myspace someone's computer screen.

-Farking with the print queue so my stuff always came out first.

-Got around the "blocked internet" by typing "www.google.com" into word and clicking the hyperlink.

-Looking up ratemyboobs.com on the school computers

-Burning music CDs and VCDs (remember those?)

-Downloading from Grocker, Kazza, and IRC.

-Discovering our school's webpage was created with FrontPage.

/Memories
 
2014-01-30 01:23:10 PM  
What the hell?
 
2014-01-30 01:24:00 PM  

Big_Doofus: I work with a couple of bible banging "christians" and brought this up to them at our morning meeting a half hour ago.

I got exactly the response I expected.  Of course, they talked about how the parents should pay their bills and they are probably just a bunch of lazy democrats.  I swear, these people are so stereotypical.



You may get a few bites with it.

godspeed, trollster
 
2014-01-30 01:24:22 PM  

skeevy420: I bet you learned the "don't do anything too obvious" rule of "hacking" then.


Haven't done it since.

I swear
 
2014-01-30 01:28:27 PM  

StrikitRich: [child catcher pic] Ooo, there's another child that owes money.

-=-
I was thinking something British very similar to that, but yours was better.

It's one thing to deny the child the regular food due to a debit, but to give it to them and then take it away is despicable and mean.
 
2014-01-30 01:30:21 PM  

Pangea: CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...

You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.


How are people gonna know you're 733T if you don't tell them?
i.telegraph.co.uk
If Angelina doesn't know you're Trinity and that you cracked the IRS D-base, how will she know she's supposed to sex you?

/I think I am getting my movies a little mixed up....
 
2014-01-30 01:31:28 PM  
"If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding! "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?"
 
2014-01-30 01:36:21 PM  

TNel: Pangea: You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hacker+busted+for+bragging

I don't believe his story because all students get 1 account that is their unique student ID.  For him to have 4 accounts it would have to be his plus 3 of his friends.  Almost all accounts in the schools networks are admin accounts due to the nightmare of having to deal with "User" accounts in that kind of setting.  Group Policy would be pushed down to limit what you can and can't do.

So for his story to be true it you take an entire IT department to be so incompetant that it would be stuff of legends.


If you notice at the beginning of his story he said Novell. Hence eDirectory and not Active Directory = no Group Policy.
 
2014-01-30 01:38:37 PM  

Spirit Hammer: If you notice at the beginning of his story he said Novell. Hence eDirectory and not Active Directory = no Group Policy.


You can push Group Policy in Novell, have been doing it for years and years.
 
2014-01-30 01:43:08 PM  

mjohnson71: "If you don't eat yer meat, you can't have any pudding! "How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?"


Ahhh, there it is. After four pages of posts I was getting worried about FARK.

/would have posted it myself eventually.
 
2014-01-30 01:54:39 PM  

This About That: Self-import minor bureaucrat decides to make an impression by ripping lunch from the hands of young kids who can't defend themselves. He should have his career ripped out from under him and stuffed in the trash, but I'll bet it doesn't happen.


More likely to get promotion.
 
2014-01-30 02:12:18 PM  

durbnpoisn: Do we really need 16 different Superintendants for 16 different sections of 16 seperate districts?


You've got 4,096 superintendents?!?!

/how many are going to St. Ives?
 
2014-01-30 02:14:52 PM  

Thingster: Marcus Aurelius: But cafeteria workers weren't able to see which children owed money until they had already received lunches, Olsen explained.  The workers then took those lunches from the students and threw them away, he said, because once food is served to one student it can't be served to another

That sure is one farked up lesson plan they've got there.  Nice "child nutrition management" too.

Because it would be too hard to just write down the names of the kids with an outstanding balance, send a letter home with a comply by date, and giving a fair amount warning.

Gotta teach the little ones about petty bureaucracy and little tyrants early!


They're the job creators of the future!
 
2014-01-30 02:15:46 PM  
I would defended the right of every child who had their lunch taken to kick that child nutrition manager in the nads as he tried to take their lunch.
 
2014-01-30 02:16:24 PM  

TNel: mod3072: Getting parents to pay for lunches and how to deal with those who do not are very real problems for schools, and there is no perfect solution. That being said, the douchetard in the article looked all of the options available to him/her and then chose the very worst one.

Our district lets you go to -$5 then the kids get a cheese sandwhich, fruit, and a drink until the balance is paid.  I've had my son's account get to -$4 before due to him forgetting to give me the paper saying he needed money.  Crap happens but to throw away the food is pants on head retarded, the food is a waste anyway so let the kids eat and add that to their balance, make a note to give them the bare bones meal from then on.

God my son goes through food at school like it's going out of style.  In the last 13 days of school he's used $51.


My school lunch bill runs about $450/month, so I don't feel too sorry for you! :)
 
2014-01-30 02:30:53 PM  

TNel: Spirit Hammer: If you notice at the beginning of his story he said Novell. Hence eDirectory and not Active Directory = no Group Policy.

You can push Group Policy in Novell, have been doing it for years and years.


Lol you're still using novell


Points and laughs
 
2014-01-30 02:41:28 PM  

tripleseven: Lol you're still using novell


Points and laughs


If I could only get the network person to move to AD.  Laugh all you want but how many virus are programmed for E-Directory?  But the downside is you have very little selection of software that works with it other than just using LDAP.  God our content filter software blows.
 
2014-01-30 03:06:57 PM  
My kid was denied buying lunch once for not having enough in his account. And they gave him milk and a piece of fruit just the same as these guys did. It was my fault for not loading up paypam or whatever that shiatty service is called (you can pay and not have it show up in the account for days) But if they would have given him his lunch and then took it away from him, I would be breaking someones car windows.
 
2014-01-30 03:07:45 PM  
Subject: I was taught to never present a problem without offering helpful solutions.

Dear [Name of Director of Child Nutrition],

I was going to write you a nastygram: My outrage at publicly humiliating children who have done nothing wrong and wasting food momentarily outweighed my desire to help. Please forgive that urge. I do want to help you make sure this never happens again.

First, please ask parents to document the day they made payments and check that against the time your processor credited their child's account. You may be able to fire your processor for nonperformance, since the contract must contain a performance clause or three.  (Many of these processors have a, um, reputation for not crediting accounts for four days or so, and for charging excessive fees.)

Second, I suggest that you contact Dr. [RedactedinComplianceWithFarkPostingRules], who has had to resolve these kinds of issues for lunch programs in several of the school districts that he ran here in Arizona. His innovative approach lowered program costs, provided more fresh food, and served all of the children. You can reach him at (520) XXX-XXXX.  He does educational consulting from time to time, and since this is an issue that directly affects the children and their ability to learn, he'll be willing to help you resolve it.

Third, may I suggest that, since the reimbursement doesn't change your sunk costs, you just feed the child the hot lunch and not waste food in the future? This will likely save you future public embarrassment, condemnation, prevent accusations of cruelty to children, and lawsuits against your school district.

Fourth, would it be possible to fire the person responsible for the events that led to this with extreme prejudice? According to the district, not all of the parents had even been informed of deficiencies.

Sincerely,
demaL-demaL-yeH
 
2014-01-30 03:16:24 PM  

DON.MAC: It could be worse.  Some idiot will now be listed as "child lunch stealer" on google for ever.  Nothing like stealing your own career.



Sounds like a perfect candidate for an Investment Bank
 
2014-01-30 03:18:28 PM  

captcaveman: [themormonreligion.com image 600x800]
Because taking food from poor children is what Jesus would do right?

Fark you Utah!


O.o

I knew they were racists, but that's just ... horrifically blatant.
 
2014-01-30 03:43:29 PM  
Don't stop them. Let them keep farking up. Let them keep punishing kids. This can only help them in the elections, right?
 
2014-01-30 04:02:25 PM  

The Larch: AverageAmericanGuy: It's unclear to me why children or families would be charged for lunch at a public school. If they didn't charge for the food, the kids might eat when they're not even hungry!!!


Thanks for the flashback to the Saturday mornings of my childhood.
 
2014-01-30 04:09:51 PM  
Ha, ha, you dropped yo ice cream
 
2014-01-30 04:20:33 PM  

vudukungfu: log_jammin: "We understand the feelings of upset parents and students who say this was an embarrassing and humiliating situation. We again apologize and commit to working with parents in rectifying this situation and to ensuring students are never treated in this manner again."

I'd think that they could stop taking already served lunches out of the hands of children all on their own, without the need to "work with" parents.

Yeah, insincere apologies are insincere.
School administrators and republicans are in the same boat.
They don't want logic taught at schools because it would be res ipsa loquitur that they are full of shiat every time they speak.
That's why they call it "Liberal" "Arts"


Can you explain to the class how Common Core is even remotely related to teaching logic in schools?

/I'll let you in on a little secret - the vast majority of school administrators are far from Republican
//Common Core is not a conservative agenda
 
2014-01-30 05:07:40 PM  
TNel: ...

So for his story to be true it you take an entire IT department to be so incompetant that it would be stuff of legends.

"IT Department" in the late 90's?  If they had a single IT person for the district they were way ahead of the rest of the country.  Also, in the late 90's hacking was the equivalent to saying you were a burglar when people just left their stuff in their front lawn.
 
2014-01-30 06:14:33 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: diaphoresis: I'm betting the student's parents were Democrats... lazy, good for nothing, we think we are owed something, drug craving Democrats.  Get off your asses and pay your F*ing bills!

/Brought to you by the Republican National Committee

Democrats, in Utah?  You have to be kidding


In Salt Lake City- Yes.
 
2014-01-30 06:23:52 PM  
What special kind of asshole do you have to be to take food away from a hungry child who had absolutely nothing to do with whatever political issue you have lodged up your asshole along with your head?

Well I guess we now know.
 
2014-01-30 06:33:37 PM  

MythDragon: Pangea: CSB
I was banned for a semester because I made every printer on campus print cuss words for hours on end banner style. A week later I had to type a paper for English. Teacher knew I was banned and told me to wait for someone to finish up and use their account (he thought the printer gag was funny). I told him I have multiple accounts and only the real one is banned, not my administrator ones. He laughed and said then go ahead and log in. I did, as an admin, where he just shook his head in disbelief and helped someone who couldn't remember the last 4 digets of their SSN (our passwords were first letter of last name + last 4 digits of SSN, j5488 for a made up example). He thought it was resourceful of me to make backup accounts because I knew I'd get in trouble eventually. I'm just glad I was never caught disabling the network for half the school (typing teacher was a coont biatch so all her labs went bye bye...and all the nodes past her...my bad) or disabling the keyword firewall. It took from 10th grade in March to 11th grade the following January for the back half of the network to go online....only to go down for four more months the following day. biatch had me banned from the network (a snitch told her I did the printer thing) and made me use a typewriter in the hall. Proba ...

You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

How are people gonna know you're 733T if you don't tell them?
[i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x281]
If Angelina doesn't know you're Trinity and that you cracked the IRS D-base, how will she know she's supposed to sex you?

/I think I am getting my movies a little mixed up....


Yeah, but now I have a whole new fantasy.
 
2014-01-31 05:47:23 AM  

captcaveman: [themormonreligion.com image 600x800]
Because taking food from poor children is what Jesus would do right?

Fark you Utah!


This happened at a government run school, not a private/religious school, based on decisions made by a government employee, not a church official, in a liberal "progressive" city not a conservative one.
 
2014-01-31 08:04:49 AM  
I'd think that schools would feed everyone just based on the well-known research that hungry kids learn less and disrupt class more. Seems obvious, doesn't it?

TNel: Pangea: You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hacker+busted+for+bragging

I don't believe his story because all students get 1 account that is their unique student ID.  For him to have 4 accounts it would have to be his plus 3 of his friends.  Almost all accounts in the schools networks are admin accounts due to the nightmare of having to deal with "User" accounts in that kind of setting.  Group Policy would be pushed down to limit what you can and can't do.

So for his story to be true it you take an entire IT department to be so incompetant that it would be stuff of legends.


Bahahahahaha, you brought up Group Policy for a story that happened around 2000, on what was almost certainly a Windows 98 network with at most one or two NT4 servers if they could afford any? In that environment, you just create an account. My school had some digital gradebook program only stored on local computers, and submitted spreadsheets on network drives with no security on some Win98 box. Remember, 12-15 years was a LONG time ago. It was the era of kids knowing more than any employee. Now they're all on pinterest and Xbox and don't bother hacking anymore.
 
2014-01-31 01:39:18 PM  

foxyshadis: I'd think that schools would feed everyone just based on the well-known research that hungry kids learn less and disrupt class more. Seems obvious, doesn't it?

TNel: Pangea: You apparently never learned the first rule of being a 1337 hax0r.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hacker+busted+for+bragging

I don't believe his story because all students get 1 account that is their unique student ID.  For him to have 4 accounts it would have to be his plus 3 of his friends.  Almost all accounts in the schools networks are admin accounts due to the nightmare of having to deal with "User" accounts in that kind of setting.  Group Policy would be pushed down to limit what you can and can't do.

So for his story to be true it you take an entire IT department to be so incompetant that it would be stuff of legends.

Bahahahahaha, you brought up Group Policy for a story that happened around 2000, on what was almost certainly a Windows 98 network with at most one or two NT4 servers if they could afford any? In that environment, you just create an account. My school had some digital gradebook program only stored on local computers, and submitted spreadsheets on network drives with no security on some Win98 box. Remember, 12-15 years was a LONG time ago. It was the era of kids knowing more than any employee. Now they're all on pinterest and Xbox and don't bother hacking anymore.


Yeah.

Oh that reminds me, a buddy of mine figured out the report cards where done in excel and found the template online for free.

So he would charge kids $50 bucks for a fake report card, he made bank.
 
2014-01-31 02:31:42 PM  

Turbo Cojones: http://www.slcschools.org/board-of-education/board-meetings/documents / 2011-08-02-Exhibit-A2.pdf

Meet the SLC elementary school nutrition manager. Bonus: contains her salary info.


That is out of date and incorrect.
 
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