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(KTAR Phoenix)   Remember how in the State of the Union the President praised Costco for paying employees a higher than minimum wage? One employee would like to have a rebuttal   (ktar.com) divider line 281
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2014-01-30 01:45:57 PM

patrick767: Then why is it that virtually every other first world country in the world does health care better than the US, getting better outcomes for less money and covering more of their people, by having MORE government involvement in the system than we do?


Compare Cuban and American health care. Cuba spends a smaller % of its dinky GDP on health care than we do. And Cubans live longer.

The right wing in this country is insane. Or criminal. Or both.
 
2014-01-30 01:46:21 PM

mike_d85: Why did you guys make me go back and read the comments?  That was frightening and cruel.

"I own shares in wal*mart and Costco, f*ck Obama for praising a company I own stock in!" *
"F*ck republicans.  You're all c*nts"


*exactly one share in each, I'm sure

That comment section hurt my brain.
 
2014-01-30 01:46:36 PM

yoyoyo: This needs the Arizona tag for these idiots(both the writer and the one person who had bad things to say)...so happy to not be living in that state anymore


And Utah's much better?
 
2014-01-30 01:47:39 PM

MugzyBrown: Do you really think there could be an insurance monopoly?  Do you know how many insurance companies there are out there and how many more there would be if health insurance was able to actually underwrite their policies?


Currently there are 2,648 property & casualty insurers and 1,257 life & health insurers operating in the United States.  Collectively they have over $7 trillion in assets.   There's no shortage of insurance companies.
 
2014-01-30 01:47:44 PM

Lando Lincoln: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.

No, we do, since 99% of company owners would rather have their teeth removed with rusty pliers than give their workers a decent salary. The President was using Costco as a good example of how well and profitable a company can run when their workers are treated well to show the business world that it actually CAN be done. But they won't listen, because they'll just sit there in bed at night, thinking about all of that money they're pissing away by paying their workers more. "Who cares if my workers can afford to live moderately nicely now? I'm not as rich as my super rich neighbor, and that makes me sad!"


That mindset's actually been validated by a recent research study (too lazy to look up reference).  The researchers found, to their amazement, that there's no satisfaction point for money earned.  In fact, the more money the study population made, the more they focused on money in all aspects of their lives. The researchers were dumbfounded, since this was the first time they'd witnessed a phenomenon where people literally could not get enough of something, from their perspective.
 
2014-01-30 01:49:26 PM

mike_d85: coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.

I did.  And this wasn't some "back in 1992" deal, this was the starting pay at a job I started at 5 years ago.  $24,500 starting.  No OT and I put in at least 50 a week.  More when I became a supervisor 6 months into starting without a raise.


Where was this?
 
2014-01-30 01:49:31 PM
yakmans_dad: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.


Well, is curing one cancer enough?  Why didn't he cure two types?  Why not three?  How did he choose which cancer he cured?  It was arbitrary, just like Benghazi.  You can't just cure one type of cancer arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Health care doesn't work like that.  Even at the current cancer cure rates, illegal immigrants are sneaking across the borders getting health care for free to subvert these cures.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Second, think about what kind of repercussions this will have on taxes.  Remember the IRS scandal?  Well if Obama cures one type of cancer, he's probably going to tax the hell out of it, showing that he can just arbitrarily tax whatever he wants.  And when are we going to let the public have this cure?  Will it be fast and furious?  Like when Eric Holder murdered that border patrol agent and Obama covered it up?  What's he going to tell us, if you like your cancer cure, you can keep it?  What about after my cancer is cured and the doctor won't prescribe it anymore.  I thought I could keep it?  What if the hospital I get my cure at is powered by Solyndra?  How long are taxpayers going to have to prop that place up, just so I can pay my high tax fast and furious Solyndra fueled Benghazi chosen cancer cure.

SlothB77 is right.
 
2014-01-30 01:52:08 PM

yakmans_dad: patrick767: Then why is it that virtually every other first world country in the world does health care better than the US, getting better outcomes for less money and covering more of their people, by having MORE government involvement in the system than we do?

Compare Cuban and American health care. Cuba spends a smaller % of its dinky GDP on health care than we do. And Cubans live longer.

The right wing in this country is insane. Or criminal. Or both.


How do the Cubans live longer?  I thought all of them healthy enough to swim 90 miles left.  That should really move a heart failure bell.
 
2014-01-30 01:52:56 PM
Shorter version: Sure, they pay us, but would you believe they expect us to work?
 
2014-01-30 01:53:25 PM

badLogic: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You must not have checked the Politics tab yet.


This is the politics tab:

ninjamonkey.us
 
2014-01-30 01:53:54 PM

dpzum1: Yea... and income tax in France is around 40% Sales tax, around 20%..Go on, have at it.


Not really. I did the research and calculations a few years ago, and if I had the same paying job over there as here, I'd be paying about the same amount of taxes. But I'd be getting a hell of a lot more in social services over there. But not nearly as cool a military.
 
2014-01-30 01:54:54 PM
Decisions, Decisions.

Do I believe "if you like your health plan you can keep it-period", "the most transparent administration in history" (despite stonewalling everything from Fast and furious to Food stamp data), "no lobbyist will be employed by my administration", shovel ready and green jobs President?

Or do I believe an anonymous source of information that contradicts the President's claims and by doing that makes the source racist?
 
2014-01-30 01:54:59 PM
There's working hard at Costco - stocking X shelves in a section, running a register, folding clothes and maintaining the floor, and then there is miserably understaffed working hard at Costco - stocking all the shelves in multiple sections by oneself, running a register AND maintaining the floor, bathrooms etc...

Any job can be miserable if the place is too understaffed.  I don't remember too many threads where office workers, biatching that everyone in their department got laid off but them and they were doing the job of 5 people, were told to shut up and stop whining because working hard was what they were supposed to do.  This thread is just another example of it being okay to shiat on lower paid hourly employees even when working conditions can be just as ridiculous.
 
2014-01-30 01:55:05 PM
Was it this guy?

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-01-30 01:55:22 PM

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


I realize I'm late to the party, but "this."
 
2014-01-30 01:59:10 PM

hasty ambush: Decisions, Decisions.

Do I believe "if you like your health plan you can keep it-period", "the most transparent administration in history" (despite stonewalling everything from Fast and furious to Food stamp data), "no lobbyist will be employed by my administration", shovel ready and green jobs President?

Or do I believe an anonymous source of information that contradicts the President's claims and by doing that makes the source racist?


Sure, you can believe that the President was lying when he said that Costco pays its employees more than minimum wage. It would make you an idiot, but you're free to believe that.
 
2014-01-30 02:01:36 PM

MugzyBrown: Mrtraveler01: So government intervention allowed Standard Oil to have a monopoly, until that same government broke that monopoly up?

Standard Oil had about 150 competitors at the time of their Supreme Court case and their 'Monopoly' killed the consumer by lower the cost of refined oil from about 40 cents in the 1860's to about 6 cents in 1897.


What about the breakup of Ma Bell then?  Seriously, how many examples of the government breaking up monopolies do we have to show before you admit you're just full of shiat and making things up?
 
2014-01-30 02:02:15 PM
Why are so many people allergic to work? That's what you're being PAID to do. Stop whining.
 
2014-01-30 02:02:39 PM

bongmiester: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)


More than that. It's also the level of scrutiny about your hours on the job, mistakes made, etc.

Really, the biggest incentive for career advancement is the ever decreasing likelihood that you'll get shiat for something that is a rounding error on a mistake someone higher up makes.
 
2014-01-30 02:03:01 PM

Infernalist: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

 
2014-01-30 02:03:22 PM
TFA's writer and our Fark mod min can rest easy knowing they have fired shots against tyranny. The culture wars are at an end. Thanks, Drew for putting this on the main
 
2014-01-30 02:03:59 PM
So basically the one person in the article they could find to complain is biatching that work is hard.
 
2014-01-30 02:04:25 PM

hawcian: mike_d85: coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.

I did.  And this wasn't some "back in 1992" deal, this was the starting pay at a job I started at 5 years ago.  $24,500 starting.  No OT and I put in at least 50 a week.  More when I became a supervisor 6 months into starting without a raise.

Where was this?


A shipping company in South Carolina.  The turnover was sky-high for new employees.  They could only keep people who wanted a job for benefits.  I've never heard of benefits better outside of military.  And a few military took the benefits there because they didn't like the VA.

I assumed for years that I would hit a point where I would get paid significantly more.  I did, but I found out a LOT about micro-management from that job.  I was to monitor salary employees' breaks to ensure they were exactly 15 minutes.  If an employee was not at their desk working at precisely 8am, I was to have them make up time Friday evening and only Friday evening.  The same rule applied to breaks and lunch.

Management training amounted to "Sociopath 101" including how to recognize when an employee is job hunting so you can deny time off on short notice and change their breaks.
 
2014-01-30 02:05:46 PM
Yeah we get paid way more than employees at Walmart, but we hand out like a ton of samples.
 
2014-01-30 02:06:23 PM

quiotu: Seriously, how many examples of the government breaking up monopolies do we have to show before you admit you're just full of shiat and making things up?


Trick question.

There is no answer that will satisfy the criteria presented.
 
2014-01-30 02:06:43 PM
So yeah, they pay well and have good benefits, but they make you actually work for it? Oh the huge manitee!

I suspect that if this is a real person, that upon seeing this article most people who work at that location roll their eyes and say, "I know who that is."
 
2014-01-30 02:07:11 PM
I'm not a fan of the president, but that was a pretty damn weak rebuttal.
 
2014-01-30 02:07:40 PM
The Obama does not like to be rebuttalled. Never rebuttall the Obama-in-chief. Do not make him go Mau Mau on your ass.
 
2014-01-30 02:10:43 PM

mhix01: High turnover at Costco?  I've been shopping at the same Costco for over 13 years and I've seen the same employees there the whole time.  That's amazing to me.  There are new ones and some do go but a surprising large number of them are still there.  Enough so some even know who I am.


Those are different people. Costo got a machine that transforms new employees into one of 40 shopper-friendly skins.
 
2014-01-30 02:16:31 PM

mod3072: I'm not a fan of the president, but that was a pretty damn weak rebuttal.


So, basically, everything the GOP does that is petualent / retarded / asinine / obstructionist was fine for the past 5 years, but THIS is where you draw the line?

//i know, that's PROBABLY strawmaning it a bit.
 
2014-01-30 02:18:24 PM

MindStalker: FTA: "While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.  "


Wow, the guy sounds lazy. Maybe after he's worked a few more jobs he'll come back to realize life is hard.


Here's a thought, Mr. Costco employee - quit.  Find a job where you get paid $11.50 an hour where you don't have to work so hard and open up your position for someone that's willing to do the work.
 
2014-01-30 02:18:39 PM

lennavan: yakmans_dad: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.

Well, is curing one cancer enough?  Why didn't he cure two types?  Why not three?  How did he choose which cancer he cured?  It was arbitrary, just like Benghazi.  You can't just cure one type of cancer arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Health care doesn't work like that.  Even at the current cancer cure rates, illegal immigrants are sneaking across the borders getting health care for free to subvert these cures.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Second, think about what kind of repercussions this will have on taxes.  Remember the IRS scandal?  Well if Obama cures one type of cancer, he's probably going to tax the hell out of it, showing that he can just arbitrarily tax whatever he wants.  And when are we going to let the public have this cure?  Will it be fast and furious?  Like when Eric ...


*starts slow clap*
 
2014-01-30 02:21:15 PM

coeyagi: mod3072: I'm not a fan of the president, but that was a pretty damn weak rebuttal.

So, basically, everything the GOP does that is petualent / retarded / asinine / obstructionist was fine for the past 5 years, but THIS is where you draw the line?

//i know, that's PROBABLY strawmaning it a bit.


You are apparently reading a lot more into my post than I was intending to say, because I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
 
2014-01-30 02:21:23 PM

Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?


YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?
 
2014-01-30 02:21:33 PM

JK47: SlothB77: Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

2)  The private sector, particularly the segment dealing with individual policyholders purchasing health plans, hasn't been able to provide an product with adequate coverage at a reasonable price as evinced by the fact that large segments of the population remained uninsured due to the fact that coverage was not affordable.  Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc).  Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.

3)  The government has often gotten involved in the pricing of insurance policies, regulating rates and rate increases, especially in the property and casualty arena.  The government has also often required parties to provide insurance which is why you currently benefit from workers compensation insurance (instead of being shiat out of luck) and the third party liability coverage provided by auto insurance purch ...


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2014-01-30 02:22:37 PM

gar1013: More than that. It's also the level of scrutiny about your hours on the job, mistakes made, etc.

Really, the biggest incentive for career advancement is the ever decreasing likelihood that you'll get shiat for something that is a rounding error on a mistake someone higher up makes.


So true. The hourly employees here have to put "Lunch Time" or "Break Time" on their screen if they browse the Internet. Meanwhile I am expected to take some "down time" in order to "decompress" while on the clock.

Not saying it's fair. I'm saying "Study hard and stay in school!"
 
2014-01-30 02:28:27 PM
does anyone else remember to call me this adag, " they pretend to pass so we pretend to work"
 
2014-01-30 02:28:47 PM
While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard.

Welcome to the working world, entitled snowflake
 
2014-01-30 02:29:15 PM

Newfiesnowman: So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?


Well given that capital gains are actually taxed at a lower rate, and that stock awards are not actually considered "salary," the loophole is already built in.

Good luck trying to best highly-compensated executives and their $500/hr corporate attorneys at games involving the letter of the law.
 
2014-01-30 02:31:24 PM
See? Costco doesn't discriminate in hiring! They even have TeaTards like this asshat on the payroll!
 
2014-01-30 02:39:07 PM

AeAe: Obama: "Costco pays their employees $11.50/hour"

Rebuttal:  "True, but Costco makes their employees work hard"


Yeah...the so-called "journalist" certainly stuck it to them libs.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:08 PM

Pangea: Newfiesnowman: So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

Well given that capital gains are actually taxed at a lower rate, and that stock awards are not actually considered "salary," the loophole is already built in.

Good luck trying to best highly-compensated executives and their $500/hr corporate attorneys at games involving the letter of the law.


Damn them law games! If only activision developed something for PS4 we might stand a fighting chance.

I keep forgetting you need a large sum of money to steal a large sum of money to make profits
 
2014-01-30 02:43:30 PM

Newfiesnowman: Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?


Since when is life about people getting what they deserve? It's about what you can get. If I can get a million a month, I'm not going to feel bad because a janitor only makes 10 bucks an hour.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:30 PM

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.


Like all Republican, you fail at basic logic.

The existence of CostCo does not prove big retailers care about their employees, because Wal Mart proves they don't.

However, it does prove big retailers can pay above minimum wage and be profitable.
 
2014-01-30 02:47:03 PM

tricycleracer: The socialist should mind his own business about private business. By the way if you raise the minimum wage you will raise the cost of all food. Ten bucks for a hamburger anyone?

Oh the horror that your junk food may cost more!


Someone should make a video explaining this.
 
2014-01-30 02:47:39 PM

Magnanimous_J: Since when is life about people getting what they deserve? It's about what you can get. If I can get a million a month, I'm not going to feel bad because a janitor only makes 10 bucks an hour.


I believe he's making the argument it SHOULD be that way.  Thus he wants a maximum wage instituted.
 
2014-01-30 02:48:14 PM

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.


One company out of (insert some huge number here) bucks the trend and pays a semi-living wage - and is successful - and that is an argument that no government intervention is required for the other 99% of companies that will continue to pay minimum wage at it's current pathetically low rate?

I don't even know how to respond to something so backwards.
 
2014-01-30 02:48:37 PM

Dog Welder: AeAe: Obama: "Costco pays their employees $11.50/hour"

Rebuttal:  "True, but Costco makes their employees work hard"

Yeah...the so-called "journalist" certainly stuck it to them libs.


How many libs do you know actually work hard?  They keep having to be told about their bootstraps after all.
 
2014-01-30 02:55:22 PM

yakmans_dad: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.


Obama curing cancer would mean that the millions, if not billions, of dollars currently dedicated to cancer research had been for nothing. This would include money from government grants; this would be money that could have been better spent, such as on a new aircraft carrier or a tank, instead of dumped into research that Obama made entirely unnecessary and irrelevant.

Imagine if I bought a load of potatoes to make French fries, and you come home with a bag of French fries from McDonalds. Now what do I do with those potatoes? You just made my effort in obtaining them a waste, and now I am stuck with more than I can count.
 
2014-01-30 02:57:08 PM

Magnanimous_J: Newfiesnowman: Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?

Since when is life about people getting what they deserve? It's about what you can get. If I can get a million a month, I'm not going to feel bad because a janitor only makes 10 bucks an hour.


I sincerely hope you are not a Christian. Life isn't about getting what people deserve, there is no set way to live a life. You may believe it's about getting what you can get. I believe differently. Whatever you can get in this life is of no consequence when diagnosed with terminal cancer. Do you see how quickly this whole 'it's about what you can get' becomes meaningless so quickly?

After all, getting whatever you can will make you no happier. There's no difference in happiness between 10,000 / month, 100,000/month or 1,000,000 / month. You will however notice a major difference in happiness between 1,000/month and 10,000/month. Why? Simple, once you can afford to do things you can afford to do things. The logo on the car or jeans won't make you any happier then the point at which you can comfortably afford jean or a car.

So, one person can have 25 homes at the expense of thousands working pay cheque to pay cheque simply because they won the birth lottery or happened to have certain circumstances go their way on their journey through life?

It's not about feeling bad it's about having a social conscience. But hey, what do I know, no one really knows how to live a life
 
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