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(KTAR Phoenix)   Remember how in the State of the Union the President praised Costco for paying employees a higher than minimum wage? One employee would like to have a rebuttal   (ktar.com) divider line 281
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2014-01-30 12:52:39 PM

SlothB77: So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.


One company doing the right thing does not make the case for all companies to be given the choice not to do the right thing.

Capitalism, unfortunately, is full of lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags. We implement regulations, laws, and compliancy controls to ensure that capitalists stop being lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags. The mere existence of one entity that can actually find it within them to not be a lying, scheming, greedy shiatbag is NOT grounds for all of them to have the propensity to not be lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags. Because if given the choice, as you can see, they'd still prefer to be lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags.

So if not the minimum wage, then how else would you like to prevent them from being lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags?
 
2014-01-30 12:53:26 PM

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


And that's the only post I have to read on this matter.  Thanks, and good day to you, sir.
 
GCD
2014-01-30 12:54:22 PM
Not sure about the US CostCo versus the Canadian CostCo, but I know a few people that work at CostCo and they absolutely LOVE it there. It actually somewhat baffles me, but c'est la vie...it seems to pay well, has good benefits...the hours may be a little odd, especially if you work on the backshift...but again, that seems to suit some people just fine too.

Good on CostCo I say.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:33 PM
This could be the dumbest thing posted on the internet in 2014 so far.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:38 PM
How this piece of shiat opinion piece ever got greenlit is beyond me. Not one of your better moments Fark.

/ holy shiat is Fark going downhill fast
 
2014-01-30 12:54:47 PM

MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base


That's why.

The question is if the president is stupid or disingenuous.  Probably the latter.

It's the reverse here(Chicago). Costco is closer to the low income people and Sam's is much more out of the way.
/Rather shop at Aldi's
 
2014-01-30 12:54:49 PM

Lando Lincoln: MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.

Please elaborate. Are Sam's Club's wares geared towards lower class people?


Costco makes about 3x's more revenue per employee than Walmart.  Costco's locations are primarily suburban whereas Walmart and Sam's can also be found in very poor areas.

If you see a Costco, you'll probably also see Whole Foods, Panera, etc.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:04 PM
I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:24 PM
The socialist should mind his own business about private business. By the way if you raise the minimum wage you will raise the cost of all food. Ten bucks for a hamburger anyone?

Oh the horror that your junk food may cost more!
 
2014-01-30 12:55:24 PM

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


If you want dumb go over to the video tab and click the link about beer in a hot pan.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:35 PM
Minimum wage  is $7.25
Entry level at Costco $11.50.

That's pretty good.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:43 PM

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Let's make it $50/hour.  No matter that milk will be $25/gallon.
 
2014-01-30 12:56:07 PM
poor snowflake thinks he/she is worked too hard... that is so cute.  Glad I got to read that today...
 
2014-01-30 12:56:43 PM

Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.


but you can Fark during work hours apparently (i could never have done that at my minimum wage job)
 
2014-01-30 12:56:50 PM
has a high turnover rate and is understaffed

As someone who worked at a Costco, the high turnover was due to seasonal hiring. We worked hard, but not hard enough that it was worth quitting over, especially considering how much we got paid compared to other similar jobs. Granted this was 2006, but starting pay in 2006 was $10.00 an hour at my particular store.
 
2014-01-30 12:57:23 PM
While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.

1. Show up on time ready to begin work or call if there's an emergency.
2. Get your work done properly.
3. Don't steal stuff.
4. Treat customers and fellow employees with respect.

Too much to expect for $11.50 an hour? It seems no one wants to work under those terrible conditions.
 
2014-01-30 12:57:47 PM

Mell of a Hess: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Let's make it $50/hour.  No matter that milk will be $25/gallon.


What kind of countrified rube drinks milk in this day and age?
 
2014-01-30 12:58:26 PM

Lando Lincoln: cato113: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You didn't read the comments

"As a stockholder of both Costco and Walmart I resent the hel* l out of this no good po s jerk, huesinne obammma, interfering with private enterprise, specifically, COST. This p. os has to be stopped. He's way the hel* l out of line. And, the republicans won't do anything about this jerk. WHY??"

Where in the hell is that asteroid?


img.fark.net

/indeed darth, indeed...
//the commenter not you Lando Lincoln
/
//Lando Calrisian heh
 
2014-01-30 12:58:39 PM

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more. Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention. Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum. So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.


One company does the right thing, and that somehow means big retailers don't care about their employees? The reason Costco is cited is because they are the anomaly, not the norm.
 
2014-01-30 01:00:14 PM
*worlds tinniest violin pic*

Seriously If you talk to 100 people, 99 will tell you they work harder then they feel their paycheck reflects, doesn't matter if they make minimum wage or pull in $500,000 a year, just about everyone will complain they're over worked.


So put on you big-boy pants STFU and GBTW
 
2014-01-30 01:00:28 PM
KTAR is the right-wing derpy talk station in Phoenix. Based on what I've read on this forum, the article in questions is just as derpy as I anticipated.
 
2014-01-30 01:00:52 PM
Marty
As a stockholder of both Costco and Walmart I resent the hel* l out of this no good po s jerk, huesinne obammma, interfering with private enterprise, specifically, COST. This p. os has to be stopped. He's way the hel* l out of line. And, the republicans won't do anything about this jerk. WHY??


Is a Fark Independent posting comments under TFA?

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly  ..... That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Damn you for being right! You really did write something dumber than TFA.
 
2014-01-30 01:01:02 PM

Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.


It doesn't have to be this way. It's sad that so many are so eager to be content with so little.
 
2014-01-30 01:01:36 PM

AeAe: Obama: "Costco pays their employees $11.50/hour"

Rebuttal:  "True, but Costco makes their employees work hard"


I don't know how POLITICO missed this whopper in their fact check.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:16 PM

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Okay, here's deal...
Min wage on average in Europe is 12.90 USD. They have free health care. Better jobs and work environments and an education system that makes ours look like we should be riding the short bus with Iran. You wanna play this game go on. They are posting massive profits but in reality the best companies don't need profits they need better book keepers.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:44 PM
This is the kind of hard-hitting, tenacious investigative reporting I've always admired from Bob McClay - IMO the strongest "Voice of Arizona." This guy attended Phoenix College - one of the most underrated journalism schools in the country. I also like his piece on his favorite restaurant (Fajitas).
 
2014-01-30 01:05:45 PM

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


I work at farking Walmart, and we have the same damned issues. Worked hard, high turnover? In Retail!? The hell you say!
 
2014-01-30 01:06:12 PM

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


Nobody works at Kmart.  One of the twins needed a camera for a class.  The one she wanted was on sale at Kmart.  She was a little short of cash, so it was, "Oh daddy, dearest, please buy me the camera!".  Off we go to Kmart, and that in itself, is depressing.  We walk to the camera section, and nobody is at the counter.  We wait expecting a sales associate to notice.  Nobody notices.  We walk around a bit in the area, can't find anybody.  Go back to the counter, nobody there.  Split up and begin wandering through the store looking for somebody, anybody, connected to this operation.  I finally found this associate shambling down a aisle.  Told her we needed help in the camera section, got a semi-blank look, with the promise she would tell someone.  She shambled off, I found my daughter and we returned to the camera section.  After a while the was an announcement that somebody needs help in cameras.  A guy shows up, who was actually pretty knowledgeable and was able to answer all my daughter's questions.  Based on my experience, you could go in and pretty much strip the place clean and they wouldn't notice until the next day.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:09 PM

buttery_shame_cave: bongmiester: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)

depends on the job. i got paid crap as a security guard, but i would hardly call it 'hard work'.

i did get a lot of walking in, when i was on swing shift... the building clocked out on a pedometer as something like six miles of walking from top to bottom(a full shift's worth of checks).


^This.  I had the security job to boot.

It was less money than my food and bev kitchen job which is the hardest I've ever worked.  Did retail, but at a failing business, so I got to be lazy.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:10 PM

Ishkur: We implement regulations, laws, and compliancy controls to ensure that capitalists stop being lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags.


We do? Then they're not working.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:12 PM

SlothB77: Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.



1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

2)  The private sector, particularly the segment dealing with individual policyholders purchasing health plans, hasn't been able to provide an product with adequate coverage at a reasonable price as evinced by the fact that large segments of the population remained uninsured due to the fact that coverage was not affordable.  Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc).  Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.

3)  The government has often gotten involved in the pricing of insurance policies, regulating rates and rate increases, especially in the property and casualty arena.  The government has also often required parties to provide insurance which is why you currently benefit from workers compensation insurance (instead of being shiat out of luck) and the third party liability coverage provided by auto insurance purchased by others (again, instead of being shiat out of luck).  It's because of the gov't that your claim isn't automatically denied as a matter of procedure, forcing you to assert a claim in court to force the company to comply (sure they can still try but there are severe consequences if discovered).

4)  If you actually worked in the insurance industry you'd realize just how shockingly predatory and amazingly ignorant health insurers can be.  "Doing it better" is a laughably childish notion since, from their perspective, doing it better means improving their loss ratio by reducing or eliminating the amount they have to pay in claims and thus increasing the return to their shareholders. Providing better coverage at an affordable price isn't their goal.


/insurance professional with regulatory experience
 
2014-01-30 01:08:19 PM
What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.
 
2014-01-30 01:09:11 PM
This needs the Arizona tag for these idiots(both the writer and the one person who had bad things to say)...so happy to not be living in that state anymore
 
2014-01-30 01:09:13 PM

wambu: While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.

1. Show up on time ready to begin work or call if there's an emergency.
2. Get your work done properly.
3. Don't steal stuff.
4. Treat customers and fellow employees with respect.

Too much to expect for $11.50 an hour? It seems no one wants to work under those terrible conditions.


You didn't mention having to work in the underground pallet mines.  It hasn't come out yet, but it will.

Poor little snowflakes.
 
2014-01-30 01:10:16 PM
alice_600:
Okay, here's deal...
Min wage on average in Europe is 12.90 USD. They have free health care. Better jobs and work environments and an education system that makes ours look like we should be riding the short bus with Iran. You wanna play this game go on. They are posting massive profits but in reality the best companies don't need profits they need better book keepers.


But... but... that's impossible. AMERICA IS #1! Greatest country in the history of the universe!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
 
2014-01-30 01:10:18 PM
Subby must not know what the word rebuttal means.
 
2014-01-30 01:11:09 PM

JK47: 1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

Which led to

2)  The private sector, particularly the segment dealing with individual policyholders purchasing health plans, hasn't been able to provide an product with adequate coverage at a reasonable price as evinced by the fact that large segments of the population remained uninsured due to the fact that coverage was not affordable.  Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc).  Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.

this is a cause again of #2

3)  The government has often gotten involved in the pricing of insurance policies, regulating rates and rate increases, especially in the property and casualty arena.  The government has also often required parties to provide insurance which is why you currently benefit from workers compensation insurance (instead of being shiat out of luck) and the third party liability coverage provided by auto insurance purchased by others (again, instead of being shiat out of luck).  It's because of the gov't that your claim isn't automatically denied as a matter of procedure, forcing you to assert a claim in court to force the company to comply (sure they can still try but there are severe consequences if discovered).

4)  If you actually worked in the insurance industry you'd realize just how shockingly predatory and amazingly ignorant health insurers can be.  "Doing it better" is a laughably childish notion since, from their perspective, doing it better means improving their loss ratio by reducing or eliminating the amount they have to pay in claims and thus increasing the return t ...

 
2014-01-30 01:11:11 PM

rikdanger: One employee anonymously complains about working


FTFY
 
2014-01-30 01:12:20 PM

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


I got as far as "While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard." before I stopped and thought, damn, this plays right into the "the poor are lazy and don't want to work hard" trope the GOP wants to push.
 
2014-01-30 01:12:25 PM
While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there

"What Obama said was true but I have to work hard.  No amount of hard work is worth making $3.70 per hour more than most people with my entry level skills!"
 
2014-01-30 01:12:39 PM
If the store is understaffed, doesn't that mean they need to lure, and retain more employees, which can be most easily accomplished by increasing their salary and offering more benefits?

Didn't this guy just make the argument for INCREASING the wages Costco pays their employees in order to foster a better, more productive work environment?
 
2014-01-30 01:13:45 PM
FTA: "While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.  "


Wow, the guy sounds lazy. Maybe after he's worked a few more jobs he'll come back to realize life is hard.
 
2014-01-30 01:14:02 PM
When people decided that instead of doing some research, getting trained, perhaps a college education they wanted to skate through life in a low skilled low paying job, the economy provided that for them. Now, being unhappy at the fact that a low skilled job doesn't pay enough, they want to be paid wages that a skilled, educated person would earn, without the effort.

Hence the dumbing down of America.

Oh, and fast food...
I never new anyone who was happy with their lifelong career (managers aside) at a fast food restaurant. THEY'RE NOT supposed to be carreers, or at least they weren't at one time.
 
2014-01-30 01:14:07 PM
"Mr. Obama, you are completely correct, but since the right wing derposphere needs some trolling.... um, they work us too hard though!"
 
2014-01-30 01:14:45 PM

The Pope of Manwich Village: This is the kind of hard-hitting, tenacious investigative reporting I've always admired from Bob McClay - IMO the strongest "Voice of Arizona."


He's putting the system on trial!
 
2014-01-30 01:15:20 PM

alice_600: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Okay, here's deal...
Min wage on average in Europe is 12.90 USD. They have free health care. Better jobs and work environments and an education system that makes ours look like we should be riding the short bus with Iran. You wanna play this game go on. They are posting massive profits but in reality the best companies don't need profits they need better book keepers.


Yea... and income tax in France is around 40% Sales tax, around 20%..Go on, have at it.
 
2014-01-30 01:15:37 PM

Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.


I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.
 
2014-01-30 01:17:04 PM

GCD: Not sure about the US CostCo versus the Canadian CostCo, but I know a few people that work at CostCo and they absolutely LOVE it there. It actually somewhat baffles me, but c'est la vie...it seems to pay well, has good benefits...the hours may be a little odd, especially if you work on the backshift...but again, that seems to suit some people just fine too.

Good on CostCo I say.


Seriously, they are way too happy for people working retail. I heard that they have like 1-2% turnover annually which is insanely low for the type of business. Makes it much nicer to shop there, add that to the money I save and it is a pretty freaking sweet deal all around. In Edmonton the place is always completely packed, every till is open and has a (admittedly fast moving) line. Parking is a bit of an adventure.
 
2014-01-30 01:17:10 PM

SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.


I'd say more like 50 to 1 would be appropriate. 40 years ago the average S&P 500 CEO wage was about 30x the company median wage. In 1950 it was 20x the median. Now it's over 350x the median.

Of course there are multiple ways the government could address income and wealth inequality. They don't necessarily have to put a hard cap on CEO pay. More tax brackets at the high end that include some much higher rates with fewer loopholes would help.
 
2014-01-30 01:18:11 PM

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


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