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(KTAR Phoenix)   Remember how in the State of the Union the President praised Costco for paying employees a higher than minimum wage? One employee would like to have a rebuttal   (ktar.com) divider line 281
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2014-01-30 11:43:17 AM  
That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.
 
2014-01-30 11:46:39 AM  
One employee anonymously complains about working for Costco? One? Couldn't get two, or five?

Must be true, then, Thanks, Bob McClay, fearless defender of freedom and the American way. I'll be canceling my Costco membership and shopping elsewhere for cheap booze and industrial sized disinfectant wipes.

Oh, who am I kidding. I can't quit you, Costco!
 
2014-01-30 11:48:47 AM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


The day is young.
 
2014-01-30 11:53:25 AM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


Same here.  And that's including the "Edward Snowden's psychic human ETs revealed" article.
 
2014-01-30 11:59:59 AM  
This is bad...for Yelpbongo.
 
2014-01-30 12:02:33 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


You didn't read the comments
 
2014-01-30 12:05:07 PM  
So the gist is "Yeah, we get paid that much, but my particular store is poorly run and I hate it".

Welcome to the White House President Palin.
 
2014-01-30 12:05:46 PM  

cato113: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You didn't read the comments


fark is like the Algonquin Round Table compared to that.
 
2014-01-30 12:06:12 PM  
"Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.
 
2014-01-30 12:10:32 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


And most people who work there don't have those complaints, that I know of - around here, it's a desirable job for those without a lot of specialized skills and there is a waiting list to even get interviewed.
 
2014-01-30 12:16:18 PM  
Boo farking hoo, yeah, retail and warehouse work is hard.

Always get a MUCH better vibe in Costco than Sam's.
 
2014-01-30 12:24:22 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.
 
2014-01-30 12:24:42 PM  

baka-san: Boo farking hoo, yeah, retail and warehouse work is hard.

Always get a MUCH better vibe in Costco than Sam's.


The Koi pond martini bar is what clinches it.
 
2014-01-30 12:25:40 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


it's still early.
 
2014-01-30 12:26:25 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.


I guess Oregonvet will have to update his statement, then.
 
2014-01-30 12:29:30 PM  
Well son-of-a-biatch.  I was all for companies paying workers higher wages until I read an anonymous Costco worker explain that his job higher paying job was difficult.
 
2014-01-30 12:31:00 PM  
Well.

There it is.

The stupidest farking thing I'll read all day.
 
2014-01-30 12:36:24 PM  

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.


No, we do, since 99% of company owners would rather have their teeth removed with rusty pliers than give their workers a decent salary. The President was using Costco as a good example of how well and profitable a company can run when their workers are treated well to show the business world that it actually CAN be done. But they won't listen, because they'll just sit there in bed at night, thinking about all of that money they're pissing away by paying their workers more. "Who cares if my workers can afford to live moderately nicely now? I'm not as rich as my super rich neighbor, and that makes me sad!"
 
2014-01-30 12:38:24 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

 
2014-01-30 12:40:42 PM  
...I love you.
 
2014-01-30 12:41:26 PM  
I'd like to anonymously complain about my employer. Is it too late? -- Edward "Blabbermouth" Snowden.
 
2014-01-30 12:42:10 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)
 
2014-01-30 12:42:49 PM  
WTF did I just read?
 
2014-01-30 12:43:34 PM  
In other words, President Obama told the truth but one malcontent wants to let you know he doesn't like his job.  My advice is to go find another one that meets up with his discerning standards.
 
2014-01-30 12:43:39 PM  

hardinparamedic: Well.

There it is.

The stupidest farking thing I'll read all day.


Careful - some farkers might take that as a challenge.
 
2014-01-30 12:44:51 PM  
Er...what rebuttal?
 
2014-01-30 12:45:13 PM  
That worker is most likely a millennial. They biatch and moan about having to get out of bed in the morning. I could feel some sympathy if he said he is having to work overtime with short pay, or say he actually wasn't getting the $11.50 an hour like they say he is. But he doesn't. Instead it is all "Blah, blah, blah. I have to actually do work and shiat. It's hard to have to earn my living and get paid for it."
 
2014-01-30 12:45:18 PM  
"Yeah, they pay well, but they expect you to work for it.  Thanks, Obama."
 
2014-01-30 12:45:27 PM  

bongmiester: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)

You're not the only one who's noticed that.  I worked far harder for $6.85 an hour than I did for $65,000 a year.
 
2014-01-30 12:45:29 PM  

lennavan: Well son-of-a-biatch.  I was all for companies paying workers higher wages until I read an anonymous Costco worker explain that his job higher paying job was difficult.


Yeah, what is the world coming to if "hard-working Americans" have to work hard?
 
2014-01-30 12:47:13 PM  
"While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there. "

So they want hard workers and expect you to prove it?  Perhaps "earn" that 11.50?  This is certainly the worst thing in the history of things.
 
2014-01-30 12:47:15 PM  
Obama: "Costco pays their employees $11.50/hour"

Rebuttal:  "True, but Costco makes their employees work hard"
 
2014-01-30 12:47:29 PM  

cato113: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You didn't read the comments


"As a stockholder of both Costco and Walmart I resent the hel* l out of this no good po s jerk, huesinne obammma, interfering with private enterprise, specifically, COST. This p. os has to be stopped. He's way the hel* l out of line. And, the republicans won't do anything about this jerk. WHY??"

Where in the hell is that asteroid?
 
2014-01-30 12:47:34 PM  
They work you too hard?  Welcome to retail, pussy.
 
2014-01-30 12:47:40 PM  
I should not have expected there to be a rational thought in that article
 
2014-01-30 12:47:40 PM  
Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.

The question is if the president is stupid or disingenuous.  Probably the latter.
 
2014-01-30 12:48:06 PM  
look man i tried being a cashier at costco but they wanted me to work

i mean i know they were paying a lot more than what other companies that offer similar work pay but that is no reason to create an environment that drives people to excel rather than just skate by

thanks obama
 
Ant
2014-01-30 12:48:11 PM  

Headso: cato113: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You didn't read the comments

fark is like the Algonquin Round Table compared to that.


The average Fark post is like a doctoral thesis compared to the posts on most comment sections on the internet.
 
2014-01-30 12:48:55 PM  

ndeans: That worker is most likely a millennial. They biatch and moan about having to get out of bed in the morning. I could feel some sympathy if he said he is having to work overtime with short pay, or say he actually wasn't getting the $11.50 an hour like they say he is. But he doesn't. Instead it is all "Blah, blah, blah. I have to actually do work and shiat. It's hard to have to earn my living and get paid for it."


And the chum goes into the water...
 
2014-01-30 12:49:14 PM  

trippdogg: hardinparamedic: Well.

There it is.

The stupidest farking thing I'll read all day.

Careful - some farkers might take that as a challenge.


Too late...Sloth raised the bar for stupid today
 
2014-01-30 12:49:44 PM  
Minimum wage should be $15/hr + healthcare.
 
2014-01-30 12:49:51 PM  

bongmiester: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)


depends on the job. i got paid crap as a security guard, but i would hardly call it 'hard work'.

i did get a lot of walking in, when i was on swing shift... the building clocked out on a pedometer as something like six miles of walking from top to bottom(a full shift's worth of checks).
 
2014-01-30 12:49:57 PM  
Why did you guys make me go back and read the comments?  That was frightening and cruel.

"I own shares in wal*mart and Costco, f*ck Obama for praising a company I own stock in!"
"F*ck republicans.  You're all c*nts"
 
2014-01-30 12:50:03 PM  

rikdanger: One employee anonymously complains about working for Costco? One? Couldn't get two, or five?

Must be true, then, Thanks, Bob McClay, fearless defender of freedom and the American way. I'll be canceling my Costco membership and shopping elsewhere for cheap booze and industrial sized disinfectant wipes.

Oh, who am I kidding. I can't quit you, Costco!


Of course a Lib wouldn't care about 1 man left behind enemy lines. Costghazi!
 
2014-01-30 12:50:24 PM  
Minimum wage needs to be tied to the COL. A hard number is a fool's errand.
 
2014-01-30 12:50:37 PM  

Lando Lincoln: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.

No, we do, since 99% of company owners would rather have their teeth removed with rusty pliers than give their workers a decent salary. The President was using Costco as a good example of how well and profitable a company can run when their workers are treated well to show the business world that it actually CAN be done. But they won't listen, because they'll just sit there in bed at night, thinking about all of that money they're pissing away by paying their workers more. "Who cares if my workers can afford to live moderately nicely now? I'm not as rich as my super rich neighbor, and that makes me sad!"


Another way to look at it -- Costco pays a higher wage and as a result can be picky about who they hire and keep ("hard workers" to put it generally).  Why can't other employers do exactly the same thing?
 
2014-01-30 12:50:48 PM  

MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.


Please elaborate. Are Sam's Club's wares geared towards lower class people?
 
2014-01-30 12:51:42 PM  

AngryDragon: ndeans: That worker is most likely a millennial. They biatch and moan about having to get out of bed in the morning. I could feel some sympathy if he said he is having to work overtime with short pay, or say he actually wasn't getting the $11.50 an hour like they say he is. But he doesn't. Instead it is all "Blah, blah, blah. I have to actually do work and shiat. It's hard to have to earn my living and get paid for it."

And the chum goes into the water...


Millennials won't respond. That would be too much work.
 
2014-01-30 12:51:58 PM  

Lando Lincoln: MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.

Please elaborate. Are Sam's Club's wares geared towards lower class people?


yes

especially lower class old people
 
2014-01-30 12:52:23 PM  

Lando Lincoln: MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.

Please elaborate. Are Sam's Club's wares geared towards lower class people?


Owned by Walmart.  You do the math
 
2014-01-30 12:52:39 PM  

SlothB77: So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.


One company doing the right thing does not make the case for all companies to be given the choice not to do the right thing.

Capitalism, unfortunately, is full of lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags. We implement regulations, laws, and compliancy controls to ensure that capitalists stop being lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags. The mere existence of one entity that can actually find it within them to not be a lying, scheming, greedy shiatbag is NOT grounds for all of them to have the propensity to not be lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags. Because if given the choice, as you can see, they'd still prefer to be lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags.

So if not the minimum wage, then how else would you like to prevent them from being lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags?
 
2014-01-30 12:53:26 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


And that's the only post I have to read on this matter.  Thanks, and good day to you, sir.
 
GCD
2014-01-30 12:54:22 PM  
Not sure about the US CostCo versus the Canadian CostCo, but I know a few people that work at CostCo and they absolutely LOVE it there. It actually somewhat baffles me, but c'est la vie...it seems to pay well, has good benefits...the hours may be a little odd, especially if you work on the backshift...but again, that seems to suit some people just fine too.

Good on CostCo I say.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:33 PM  
This could be the dumbest thing posted on the internet in 2014 so far.
 
2014-01-30 12:54:38 PM  
How this piece of shiat opinion piece ever got greenlit is beyond me. Not one of your better moments Fark.

/ holy shiat is Fark going downhill fast
 
2014-01-30 12:54:47 PM  

MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base


That's why.

The question is if the president is stupid or disingenuous.  Probably the latter.

It's the reverse here(Chicago). Costco is closer to the low income people and Sam's is much more out of the way.
/Rather shop at Aldi's
 
2014-01-30 12:54:49 PM  

Lando Lincoln: MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.

Please elaborate. Are Sam's Club's wares geared towards lower class people?


Costco makes about 3x's more revenue per employee than Walmart.  Costco's locations are primarily suburban whereas Walmart and Sam's can also be found in very poor areas.

If you see a Costco, you'll probably also see Whole Foods, Panera, etc.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:04 PM  
I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:24 PM  
The socialist should mind his own business about private business. By the way if you raise the minimum wage you will raise the cost of all food. Ten bucks for a hamburger anyone?

Oh the horror that your junk food may cost more!
 
2014-01-30 12:55:24 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


If you want dumb go over to the video tab and click the link about beer in a hot pan.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:35 PM  
Minimum wage  is $7.25
Entry level at Costco $11.50.

That's pretty good.
 
2014-01-30 12:55:43 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Let's make it $50/hour.  No matter that milk will be $25/gallon.
 
2014-01-30 12:56:07 PM  
poor snowflake thinks he/she is worked too hard... that is so cute.  Glad I got to read that today...
 
2014-01-30 12:56:43 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.


but you can Fark during work hours apparently (i could never have done that at my minimum wage job)
 
2014-01-30 12:56:50 PM  
has a high turnover rate and is understaffed

As someone who worked at a Costco, the high turnover was due to seasonal hiring. We worked hard, but not hard enough that it was worth quitting over, especially considering how much we got paid compared to other similar jobs. Granted this was 2006, but starting pay in 2006 was $10.00 an hour at my particular store.
 
2014-01-30 12:57:23 PM  
While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.

1. Show up on time ready to begin work or call if there's an emergency.
2. Get your work done properly.
3. Don't steal stuff.
4. Treat customers and fellow employees with respect.

Too much to expect for $11.50 an hour? It seems no one wants to work under those terrible conditions.
 
2014-01-30 12:57:47 PM  

Mell of a Hess: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Let's make it $50/hour.  No matter that milk will be $25/gallon.


What kind of countrified rube drinks milk in this day and age?
 
2014-01-30 12:58:26 PM  

Lando Lincoln: cato113: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You didn't read the comments

"As a stockholder of both Costco and Walmart I resent the hel* l out of this no good po s jerk, huesinne obammma, interfering with private enterprise, specifically, COST. This p. os has to be stopped. He's way the hel* l out of line. And, the republicans won't do anything about this jerk. WHY??"

Where in the hell is that asteroid?


img.fark.net

/indeed darth, indeed...
//the commenter not you Lando Lincoln
/
//Lando Calrisian heh
 
2014-01-30 12:58:39 PM  

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more. Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention. Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum. So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.


One company does the right thing, and that somehow means big retailers don't care about their employees? The reason Costco is cited is because they are the anomaly, not the norm.
 
2014-01-30 01:00:14 PM  
*worlds tinniest violin pic*

Seriously If you talk to 100 people, 99 will tell you they work harder then they feel their paycheck reflects, doesn't matter if they make minimum wage or pull in $500,000 a year, just about everyone will complain they're over worked.


So put on you big-boy pants STFU and GBTW
 
2014-01-30 01:00:28 PM  
KTAR is the right-wing derpy talk station in Phoenix. Based on what I've read on this forum, the article in questions is just as derpy as I anticipated.
 
2014-01-30 01:00:52 PM  
Marty
As a stockholder of both Costco and Walmart I resent the hel* l out of this no good po s jerk, huesinne obammma, interfering with private enterprise, specifically, COST. This p. os has to be stopped. He's way the hel* l out of line. And, the republicans won't do anything about this jerk. WHY??


Is a Fark Independent posting comments under TFA?

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly  ..... That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Damn you for being right! You really did write something dumber than TFA.
 
2014-01-30 01:01:02 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.


It doesn't have to be this way. It's sad that so many are so eager to be content with so little.
 
2014-01-30 01:01:36 PM  

AeAe: Obama: "Costco pays their employees $11.50/hour"

Rebuttal:  "True, but Costco makes their employees work hard"


I don't know how POLITICO missed this whopper in their fact check.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:16 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Okay, here's deal...
Min wage on average in Europe is 12.90 USD. They have free health care. Better jobs and work environments and an education system that makes ours look like we should be riding the short bus with Iran. You wanna play this game go on. They are posting massive profits but in reality the best companies don't need profits they need better book keepers.
 
2014-01-30 01:05:44 PM  
This is the kind of hard-hitting, tenacious investigative reporting I've always admired from Bob McClay - IMO the strongest "Voice of Arizona." This guy attended Phoenix College - one of the most underrated journalism schools in the country. I also like his piece on his favorite restaurant (Fajitas).
 
2014-01-30 01:05:45 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


I work at farking Walmart, and we have the same damned issues. Worked hard, high turnover? In Retail!? The hell you say!
 
2014-01-30 01:06:12 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


Nobody works at Kmart.  One of the twins needed a camera for a class.  The one she wanted was on sale at Kmart.  She was a little short of cash, so it was, "Oh daddy, dearest, please buy me the camera!".  Off we go to Kmart, and that in itself, is depressing.  We walk to the camera section, and nobody is at the counter.  We wait expecting a sales associate to notice.  Nobody notices.  We walk around a bit in the area, can't find anybody.  Go back to the counter, nobody there.  Split up and begin wandering through the store looking for somebody, anybody, connected to this operation.  I finally found this associate shambling down a aisle.  Told her we needed help in the camera section, got a semi-blank look, with the promise she would tell someone.  She shambled off, I found my daughter and we returned to the camera section.  After a while the was an announcement that somebody needs help in cameras.  A guy shows up, who was actually pretty knowledgeable and was able to answer all my daughter's questions.  Based on my experience, you could go in and pretty much strip the place clean and they wouldn't notice until the next day.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:09 PM  

buttery_shame_cave: bongmiester: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)

depends on the job. i got paid crap as a security guard, but i would hardly call it 'hard work'.

i did get a lot of walking in, when i was on swing shift... the building clocked out on a pedometer as something like six miles of walking from top to bottom(a full shift's worth of checks).


^This.  I had the security job to boot.

It was less money than my food and bev kitchen job which is the hardest I've ever worked.  Did retail, but at a failing business, so I got to be lazy.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:10 PM  

Ishkur: We implement regulations, laws, and compliancy controls to ensure that capitalists stop being lying, scheming, greedy shiatbags.


We do? Then they're not working.
 
2014-01-30 01:07:12 PM  

SlothB77: Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.



1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

2)  The private sector, particularly the segment dealing with individual policyholders purchasing health plans, hasn't been able to provide an product with adequate coverage at a reasonable price as evinced by the fact that large segments of the population remained uninsured due to the fact that coverage was not affordable.  Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc).  Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.

3)  The government has often gotten involved in the pricing of insurance policies, regulating rates and rate increases, especially in the property and casualty arena.  The government has also often required parties to provide insurance which is why you currently benefit from workers compensation insurance (instead of being shiat out of luck) and the third party liability coverage provided by auto insurance purchased by others (again, instead of being shiat out of luck).  It's because of the gov't that your claim isn't automatically denied as a matter of procedure, forcing you to assert a claim in court to force the company to comply (sure they can still try but there are severe consequences if discovered).

4)  If you actually worked in the insurance industry you'd realize just how shockingly predatory and amazingly ignorant health insurers can be.  "Doing it better" is a laughably childish notion since, from their perspective, doing it better means improving their loss ratio by reducing or eliminating the amount they have to pay in claims and thus increasing the return to their shareholders. Providing better coverage at an affordable price isn't their goal.


/insurance professional with regulatory experience
 
2014-01-30 01:08:19 PM  
What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.
 
2014-01-30 01:09:11 PM  
This needs the Arizona tag for these idiots(both the writer and the one person who had bad things to say)...so happy to not be living in that state anymore
 
2014-01-30 01:09:13 PM  

wambu: While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.

1. Show up on time ready to begin work or call if there's an emergency.
2. Get your work done properly.
3. Don't steal stuff.
4. Treat customers and fellow employees with respect.

Too much to expect for $11.50 an hour? It seems no one wants to work under those terrible conditions.


You didn't mention having to work in the underground pallet mines.  It hasn't come out yet, but it will.

Poor little snowflakes.
 
2014-01-30 01:10:16 PM  
alice_600:
Okay, here's deal...
Min wage on average in Europe is 12.90 USD. They have free health care. Better jobs and work environments and an education system that makes ours look like we should be riding the short bus with Iran. You wanna play this game go on. They are posting massive profits but in reality the best companies don't need profits they need better book keepers.


But... but... that's impossible. AMERICA IS #1! Greatest country in the history of the universe!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
 
2014-01-30 01:10:18 PM  
Subby must not know what the word rebuttal means.
 
2014-01-30 01:11:09 PM  

JK47: 1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

Which led to

2)  The private sector, particularly the segment dealing with individual policyholders purchasing health plans, hasn't been able to provide an product with adequate coverage at a reasonable price as evinced by the fact that large segments of the population remained uninsured due to the fact that coverage was not affordable.  Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc).  Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.

this is a cause again of #2

3)  The government has often gotten involved in the pricing of insurance policies, regulating rates and rate increases, especially in the property and casualty arena.  The government has also often required parties to provide insurance which is why you currently benefit from workers compensation insurance (instead of being shiat out of luck) and the third party liability coverage provided by auto insurance purchased by others (again, instead of being shiat out of luck).  It's because of the gov't that your claim isn't automatically denied as a matter of procedure, forcing you to assert a claim in court to force the company to comply (sure they can still try but there are severe consequences if discovered).

4)  If you actually worked in the insurance industry you'd realize just how shockingly predatory and amazingly ignorant health insurers can be.  "Doing it better" is a laughably childish notion since, from their perspective, doing it better means improving their loss ratio by reducing or eliminating the amount they have to pay in claims and thus increasing the return t ...

 
2014-01-30 01:11:11 PM  

rikdanger: One employee anonymously complains about working


FTFY
 
2014-01-30 01:12:20 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


I got as far as "While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard." before I stopped and thought, damn, this plays right into the "the poor are lazy and don't want to work hard" trope the GOP wants to push.
 
2014-01-30 01:12:25 PM  
While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there

"What Obama said was true but I have to work hard.  No amount of hard work is worth making $3.70 per hour more than most people with my entry level skills!"
 
2014-01-30 01:12:39 PM  
If the store is understaffed, doesn't that mean they need to lure, and retain more employees, which can be most easily accomplished by increasing their salary and offering more benefits?

Didn't this guy just make the argument for INCREASING the wages Costco pays their employees in order to foster a better, more productive work environment?
 
2014-01-30 01:13:45 PM  
FTA: "While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.  "


Wow, the guy sounds lazy. Maybe after he's worked a few more jobs he'll come back to realize life is hard.
 
2014-01-30 01:14:02 PM  
When people decided that instead of doing some research, getting trained, perhaps a college education they wanted to skate through life in a low skilled low paying job, the economy provided that for them. Now, being unhappy at the fact that a low skilled job doesn't pay enough, they want to be paid wages that a skilled, educated person would earn, without the effort.

Hence the dumbing down of America.

Oh, and fast food...
I never new anyone who was happy with their lifelong career (managers aside) at a fast food restaurant. THEY'RE NOT supposed to be carreers, or at least they weren't at one time.
 
2014-01-30 01:14:07 PM  
"Mr. Obama, you are completely correct, but since the right wing derposphere needs some trolling.... um, they work us too hard though!"
 
2014-01-30 01:14:45 PM  

The Pope of Manwich Village: This is the kind of hard-hitting, tenacious investigative reporting I've always admired from Bob McClay - IMO the strongest "Voice of Arizona."


He's putting the system on trial!
 
2014-01-30 01:15:20 PM  

alice_600: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Okay, here's deal...
Min wage on average in Europe is 12.90 USD. They have free health care. Better jobs and work environments and an education system that makes ours look like we should be riding the short bus with Iran. You wanna play this game go on. They are posting massive profits but in reality the best companies don't need profits they need better book keepers.


Yea... and income tax in France is around 40% Sales tax, around 20%..Go on, have at it.
 
2014-01-30 01:15:37 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.


I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.
 
2014-01-30 01:17:04 PM  

GCD: Not sure about the US CostCo versus the Canadian CostCo, but I know a few people that work at CostCo and they absolutely LOVE it there. It actually somewhat baffles me, but c'est la vie...it seems to pay well, has good benefits...the hours may be a little odd, especially if you work on the backshift...but again, that seems to suit some people just fine too.

Good on CostCo I say.


Seriously, they are way too happy for people working retail. I heard that they have like 1-2% turnover annually which is insanely low for the type of business. Makes it much nicer to shop there, add that to the money I save and it is a pretty freaking sweet deal all around. In Edmonton the place is always completely packed, every till is open and has a (admittedly fast moving) line. Parking is a bit of an adventure.
 
2014-01-30 01:17:10 PM  

SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.


I'd say more like 50 to 1 would be appropriate. 40 years ago the average S&P 500 CEO wage was about 30x the company median wage. In 1950 it was 20x the median. Now it's over 350x the median.

Of course there are multiple ways the government could address income and wealth inequality. They don't necessarily have to put a hard cap on CEO pay. More tax brackets at the high end that include some much higher rates with fewer loopholes would help.
 
2014-01-30 01:18:11 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


You must not have checked the Politics tab yet.
 
2014-01-30 01:18:24 PM  

alice_600: Okay, here's deal...
Min wage on average in Europe is 12.90 USD. They have free health care. Better jobs and work environments and an education system that makes ours look like we should be riding the short bus with Iran. You wanna play this game go on. They are posting massive profits but in reality the best companies don't need profits they need better book keepers.



Since the main thrust of opponents of a minimum wage hike is going to be that such a hike will reduce employment as businesses cut workers to compensate for increased labor cost citing Europe, where the youth (age 25 and younger) umemployment rate is 2 to 2.5 times higher than the rate in the United States and the overall unemployment rate is 50% higher than the rate in the United States, isn't going to be helpful.

Instead, lets focus on how the minimum wage has eroded, in terms of its original value, due to inflation since the amount was never indexed for inflation.
 
2014-01-30 01:18:38 PM  

dpzum1: Yea... and income tax in France is around 40% Sales tax, around 20%..Go on, have at it.


and 90% Debt to GDP
 
2014-01-30 01:19:09 PM  

error 303: If the store is understaffed, doesn't that mean they need to lure, and retain more employees, which can be most easily accomplished by increasing their salary and offering more benefits?

Didn't this guy just make the argument for INCREASING the wages Costco pays their employees in order to foster a better, more productive work environment?


At three unemployed for every open position, you think being understaffed is due to a lack of available manpower?  Companies are understaffed because they want to be.  They're addicted to that sweet Quarterly EPS.
 
2014-01-30 01:20:05 PM  
I'm not sure what this one guy is whining about.  So he wants more money because he's working harder, or will take a pay cut to work less hard?  I remember working a job like that, hated the down time, the day just drags.
 
2014-01-30 01:20:09 PM  

SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.


So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?
 
2014-01-30 01:20:42 PM  

SlothB77: Economies don't work like that. Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls. That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Yeah... no.  Illegals are used in markets where no discernible difference in product is available.  Products like agricultural products and basic commodities.  Also, unskilled services such as house cleaning and basic construction (painting, drywalling, wire pulling).  "Illegals" get used in more skilled services (in landscaping particularly), but they generally are making over minimum and somewhat comparable to what naturalized citizens make.  They are used to skirt union labor though.

Where you have a product or service where people want to recognize and decide that you are better than the competition, you see significantly fewer illegal aliens.  Ironically, most of those products are made legally in foreign countries.  You must be advocating trade tariffs and pegging minimum wage to local costs of living.
 
2014-01-30 01:20:42 PM  

JK47: Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc). Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.


That's not a bug.  That's a feature.
 
2014-01-30 01:21:11 PM  

MugzyBrown: JK47: 1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

Which led to



Which led to the Insurance Indusdry getting an anti-trust exemption that allows them to implement anti-competitive measures like price fixing and collusion.

Interestingly enough, when health reform negotiations were happening in 2009, the Democrats pitched the idea of repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act and removing the insurance industry's anti-trust exemption, forcing them to play on a competitive market, the "defenders of the free market" GOP pitched a gale force hissy fit to nip it in the bud.

Which is why any GOPer who claims they're for "free market solutions" for curbing America's runaway health care costs can promptly be pointed and laughed at.
 
2014-01-30 01:21:21 PM  

SlothB77: gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face


The web servers were overloaded for a month, therefore the entire health insurance endeavor is a failure and should be scrapped. If only we had listened to those kind Republicans who knew this would happen. After all they were only looking out for the American people. Maybe you listen to too much partisan hate radio if that's your take.
 
2014-01-30 01:21:23 PM  
Both journalist and Costco employee deserve to be fire.d
 
2014-01-30 01:22:20 PM  

dpzum1:
Yea... and income tax in France is around 40% Sales tax, around 20%..Go on, have at it.

And people are on average happier. It seems to be working quite well.

MugzyBrown: JK47: 1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

Which led to

2)  The private sector, particularly the segment dealing with individual policyholders purchasing health plans, hasn't been able to provide an product with adequate coverage at a reasonable price as evinced by the fact that large segments of the population remained uninsured due to the fact that coverage was not affordable.  Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc).  Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.

this is a cause again of #2


You're seriously arguing that it's the government's fault that private medical insurance sucks? lol... let me laugh louder.

Then why is it that virtually every other first world country in the world does health care better than the US, getting better outcomes for less money and covering more of their people, by having MORE government involvement in the system than we do?
 
2014-01-30 01:22:36 PM  
FTA:While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard.
Sons of biatches, they want you to actually work? How unjust is that?
 
2014-01-30 01:23:01 PM  

MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.

The question is if the president is stupid or disingenuous.  Probably the latter.


Uh, wut?  Did you even read the article?
 
2014-01-30 01:23:07 PM  

InmanRoshi: Which led to the Insurance Indusdry getting an anti-trust exemption that allows them to implement anti-competitive measures like price fixing and collusion.

Interestingly enough, when health reform negotiations were happening in 2009, the Democrats pitched the idea of repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act and removing the insurance industry's anti-trust exemption, forcing them to play on a competitive market, the "defenders of the free market" GOP pitched a gale force hissy fit to nip it in the bud.

Which is why any GOPer who claims they're for "free market solutions" for curbing America's runaway health care costs can promptly be pointed and laughed at.


Anti-trust laws do not make a free market by definition.
 
2014-01-30 01:23:17 PM  

patrick767: We do? Then they're not working.


oh yes they are.

/things were a lot worse before they got better
 
2014-01-30 01:24:30 PM  

MugzyBrown: Anti-trust laws do not make a free market by definition.


And this is why I can't worship the free-market as blindly as you guys do. When has a monopoly ever been a positive thing for the consumer?
 
2014-01-30 01:24:32 PM  

patrick767: ou're seriously arguing that it's the government's fault that private medical insurance sucks? lol... let me laugh louder.


It's government involvement that has made the whole medical industry a cluster fark.
 
2014-01-30 01:25:09 PM  

MugzyBrown: patrick767: ou're seriously arguing that it's the government's fault that private medical insurance sucks? lol... let me laugh louder.

It's government involvement that has made the whole medical industry a cluster fark.


"It's not free-markety enough!"
 
2014-01-30 01:25:13 PM  

MugzyBrown: dpzum1: Yea... and income tax in France is around 40% Sales tax, around 20%..Go on, have at it.

and 90% Debt to GDP


Yes, if there's one great indicator for a great country to live in, it's the Debt to GDP ratio.

Liberia, Cuba, North Korea, Algeria, Bulgaria, Kazakhstan ... all paradises with their insanely low debt to GDP ratios.
 
2014-01-30 01:25:48 PM  
To all who oppose the existence of a minimum wage, I would ask you to list all countries in the world without a minimum wage.  Then once you have that figured out, tell me how many of those lovely, advanced countries you would want to move to and work in.
 
2014-01-30 01:26:43 PM  
I've been shopping at the same Costco for over 10 years.  Some of the current checkers were there when I first started working there (not necessarily as a checker), and its rare to see more than one new face on my monthly visit.  So sounds like this dude either works at a shiatty Costco, or is just full of shiat.
 
2014-01-30 01:26:50 PM  

Mrtraveler01: And this is why I can't worship the free-market as blindly as you guys do. When has a monopoly ever been a positive thing for the consumer?


In almost every scenario, a monopoly is the result of government intervention.

Do you really think there could be an insurance monopoly?  Do you know how many insurance companies there are out there and how many more there would be if health insurance was able to actually underwrite their policies?
 
2014-01-30 01:26:55 PM  

patrick767: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

I'd say more like 50 to 1 would be appropriate. 40 years ago the average S&P 500 CEO wage was about 30x the company median wage. In 1950 it was 20x the median. Now it's over 350x the median.

Of course there are multiple ways the government could address income and wealth inequality. They don't necessarily have to put a hard cap on CEO pay. More tax brackets at the high end that include some much higher rates with fewer loopholes would help.


And treat all income as the same for tax purposes.
 
2014-01-30 01:27:05 PM  

MugzyBrown: InmanRoshi: Which led to the Insurance Indusdry getting an anti-trust exemption that allows them to implement anti-competitive measures like price fixing and collusion.

Interestingly enough, when health reform negotiations were happening in 2009, the Democrats pitched the idea of repealing the McCarran-Ferguson Act and removing the insurance industry's anti-trust exemption, forcing them to play on a competitive market, the "defenders of the free market" GOP pitched a gale force hissy fit to nip it in the bud.

Which is why any GOPer who claims they're for "free market solutions" for curbing America's runaway health care costs can promptly be pointed and laughed at.

Anti-trust laws do not make a free market by definition.


 Sooooooo ... illiterate, lazy or a combination of both?
 
2014-01-30 01:27:44 PM  
See? They're ungrateful. We pay them too much.
 
2014-01-30 01:28:04 PM  
Maybe there is something left out of the article:

If the store he works in is anything like the one I shop at, then he's probably getting almost no data reception on his iPhone.

Working an entire 8 hour shift and not being able to Facebook and Twitter every 5 minutes?  Can you even imagine such a thing?  For shame, Costco!  For shame!

He should quit and go to Walmart.  4g signal, and he'll fit right in with the rest of the staff.
 
2014-01-30 01:28:14 PM  

MugzyBrown: Mrtraveler01: And this is why I can't worship the free-market as blindly as you guys do. When has a monopoly ever been a positive thing for the consumer?

In almost every scenario, a monopoly is the result of government intervention.

 

Skipped 19th Century US History, I take it.
 
2014-01-30 01:28:38 PM  

MugzyBrown: patrick767: ou're seriously arguing that it's the government's fault that private medical insurance sucks? lol... let me laugh louder.

It's government involvement that has made the whole medical industry a cluster fark.


I miss the days insurance companies employed people who specifically searched for pre-existing conditions to deny coverage of life saving health care, directly leading to their death too.

Why doesn't anybody care about profits like we do?
 
2014-01-30 01:29:30 PM  

Mrtraveler01: "It's not free-markety enough!"


Explain what part of the health care industry was free market at all?

The US Healthcare industry is the worst of all worlds because it is a mutant hybrid of crony capitalism and government interventions
 
2014-01-30 01:30:04 PM  

MugzyBrown: In almost every scenario, a monopoly is the result of government intervention.


So government intervention allowed Standard Oil to have a monopoly, until that same government broke that monopoly up?
 
2014-01-30 01:30:22 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


It's how most businesses works now, especially customer service.

Reduced hours per employee plus fewer employees, but they still expect you to do the same total amount of work. They get to keep the pay low because by intentionally hiring too few employees, national unemployment is high. What are you going to do, quit and get a new job? No one's hiring, for the same reason.
 
2014-01-30 01:30:26 PM  

MugzyBrown: In almost every scenario, a monopoly is the result of government intervention.


Oh hey, it's the part of the conversation where we get to just flat make things up.  Neat!
 
2014-01-30 01:31:07 PM  

InmanRoshi: Sooooooo ... illiterate, lazy or a combination of both?


I'm not sure which you are.  If you're removing an anti-trust exemption, then you're saying they're subject to anti-trust laws... which in in the opposite direction of making it more 'free'.
 
2014-01-30 01:31:49 PM  

MugzyBrown: In almost every scenario, a monopoly is the result of government intervention.


lolwut.

Son, try not to huff paint thinner prior to posting.
 
2014-01-30 01:33:09 PM  

MugzyBrown: Mrtraveler01: "It's not free-markety enough!"

Explain what part of the health care industry was free market at all?

The US Healthcare industry is the worst of all worlds because it is a mutant hybrid of crony capitalism and government interventions


You're right, we should just take the capitalism outta there- it's a drag on the system. Seems to work just fine for most other developed countries. We don't have to have worse average health outcomes than the rest of the first world just to line the pockets of a few insurance execs.
 
2014-01-30 01:33:30 PM  

Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.


I want to know what "working us really hard" means to a Costco employee.  When I was younger I literally dug ditches, ran outside plumbing, and dug/prepped commercial fish ponds (Mike Rowe should visit one of THOSE).  All of that year round in Central Florida.  Moving 9 cubic yards of egg rock with a shovel and a wheelbarrow also comes to mind.  And I made bare-ass minimum wage.

And I have no regrets about any of it - learning those skills allowed me to replace all of the crappy polybutylene plumbing in my house all by myself.  Saved about $2,000 over having it done by a contractor.

/I have the scars to prove it all
 
2014-01-30 01:33:33 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


You're right. You're absolutely right. THAT was the dumbest thing I've read all day.

Mobile, so: +1 vote for Funny.
 
2014-01-30 01:33:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: MugzyBrown: In almost every scenario, a monopoly is the result of government intervention.

lolwut.

Son, try not to huff paint thinner prior to posting.


It's always amusing when you run into someone who's grasp of macro economics doesn't go deeper than "Bumper Sticker Slogan" depth level
 
2014-01-30 01:35:17 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.



Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.
 
2014-01-30 01:36:01 PM  
High turnover at Costco?  I've been shopping at the same Costco for over 13 years and I've seen the same employees there the whole time.  That's amazing to me.  There are new ones and some do go but a surprising large number of them are still there.  Enough so some even know who I am.
 
2014-01-30 01:36:57 PM  
The GOP talking point is true; some people are happy to be the poors.
 
2014-01-30 01:37:15 PM  

Mrtraveler01: So government intervention allowed Standard Oil to have a monopoly, until that same government broke that monopoly up?


Standard Oil had about 150 competitors at the time of their Supreme Court case and their 'Monopoly' killed the consumer by lower the cost of refined oil from about 40 cents in the 1860's to about 6 cents in 1897.
 
2014-01-30 01:37:50 PM  

MugzyBrown: Mrtraveler01: "It's not free-markety enough!"

Explain what part of the health care industry was free market at all?

The US Healthcare industry is the worst of all worlds because it is a mutant hybrid of crony capitalism and government interventions


Your thesis is that since with the current amount of regulation, insurance companies do their damnedest not to pay out claims and to provide care for people, if we would only get rid of government's interference, the insurance companies will magically start caring about patients more than profits?  Is there a unicorn variable I'm missing in here somewhere because this equation isn't adding up.
 
2014-01-30 01:38:07 PM  

Lando Lincoln: MugzyBrown: Costco serves a mid-to upper middle class customer base

Sams serves a low to low middle class customer base

That's why.

Please elaborate. Are Sam's Club's wares geared towards lower class people?


A 2-gallon tub of mayo is pretty much the same no matter who buys it.
 
2014-01-30 01:38:10 PM  

Ant: Headso: cato113: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You didn't read the comments

fark is like the Algonquin Round Table compared to that.

The average Fark post is like a doctoral thesis compared to the posts on most comment sections on the internet.


So, slighly crazed and only half-finished?
 
2014-01-30 01:38:23 PM  

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.


This might be valid if every store charged an annual fee in order to shop there.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?

This might be valid if it were true, rather than the $10.10 he proposed.  Basically, you're a liar.
 
2014-01-30 01:39:49 PM  

coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.


I did.  And this wasn't some "back in 1992" deal, this was the starting pay at a job I started at 5 years ago.  $24,500 starting.  No OT and I put in at least 50 a week.  More when I became a supervisor 6 months into starting without a raise.
 
2014-01-30 01:42:18 PM  
Or maybe that ONE employee is a whiny little shiat that thinks working hard at all is
Equivalent to being "overworked" and doesn't appreciate the fact that he works for a pretty good retail employer. Perhaps he should give working at wal mart a try.
 
2014-01-30 01:43:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: KTAR is the right-wing derpy talk station in Phoenix. Based on what I've read on this forum, the article in questions is just as derpy as I anticipated.


KTAR is RINO compared to the derpnado which is KFYI.
 
2014-01-30 01:44:45 PM  

KidneyStone: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

I want to know what "working us really hard" means to a Costco employee.  When I was younger I literally dug ditches, ran outside plumbing, and dug/prepped commercial fish ponds (Mike Rowe should visit one of THOSE).  All of that year round in Central Florida.  Moving 9 cubic yards of egg rock with a shovel and a wheelbarrow also comes to mind.  And I made bare-ass minimum wage.

And I have no regrets about any of it - learning those skills allowed me to replace all of the crappy polybutylene plumbing in my house all by myself.  Saved about $2,000 over having it done by a contractor.

/I have the scars to prove it all


Chucking bales of hay in the July sun for (big money in 1980) $4 per hour.
It made two-a-day football practices in August seem like a holiday.


/still had the burger-flipping gig in the evenings
 
2014-01-30 01:45:57 PM  

patrick767: Then why is it that virtually every other first world country in the world does health care better than the US, getting better outcomes for less money and covering more of their people, by having MORE government involvement in the system than we do?


Compare Cuban and American health care. Cuba spends a smaller % of its dinky GDP on health care than we do. And Cubans live longer.

The right wing in this country is insane. Or criminal. Or both.
 
2014-01-30 01:46:21 PM  

mike_d85: Why did you guys make me go back and read the comments?  That was frightening and cruel.

"I own shares in wal*mart and Costco, f*ck Obama for praising a company I own stock in!" *
"F*ck republicans.  You're all c*nts"


*exactly one share in each, I'm sure

That comment section hurt my brain.
 
2014-01-30 01:46:36 PM  

yoyoyo: This needs the Arizona tag for these idiots(both the writer and the one person who had bad things to say)...so happy to not be living in that state anymore


And Utah's much better?
 
2014-01-30 01:47:39 PM  

MugzyBrown: Do you really think there could be an insurance monopoly?  Do you know how many insurance companies there are out there and how many more there would be if health insurance was able to actually underwrite their policies?


Currently there are 2,648 property & casualty insurers and 1,257 life & health insurers operating in the United States.  Collectively they have over $7 trillion in assets.   There's no shortage of insurance companies.
 
2014-01-30 01:47:44 PM  

Lando Lincoln: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.

No, we do, since 99% of company owners would rather have their teeth removed with rusty pliers than give their workers a decent salary. The President was using Costco as a good example of how well and profitable a company can run when their workers are treated well to show the business world that it actually CAN be done. But they won't listen, because they'll just sit there in bed at night, thinking about all of that money they're pissing away by paying their workers more. "Who cares if my workers can afford to live moderately nicely now? I'm not as rich as my super rich neighbor, and that makes me sad!"


That mindset's actually been validated by a recent research study (too lazy to look up reference).  The researchers found, to their amazement, that there's no satisfaction point for money earned.  In fact, the more money the study population made, the more they focused on money in all aspects of their lives. The researchers were dumbfounded, since this was the first time they'd witnessed a phenomenon where people literally could not get enough of something, from their perspective.
 
2014-01-30 01:49:26 PM  

mike_d85: coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.

I did.  And this wasn't some "back in 1992" deal, this was the starting pay at a job I started at 5 years ago.  $24,500 starting.  No OT and I put in at least 50 a week.  More when I became a supervisor 6 months into starting without a raise.


Where was this?
 
2014-01-30 01:49:31 PM  
yakmans_dad: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.


Well, is curing one cancer enough?  Why didn't he cure two types?  Why not three?  How did he choose which cancer he cured?  It was arbitrary, just like Benghazi.  You can't just cure one type of cancer arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Health care doesn't work like that.  Even at the current cancer cure rates, illegal immigrants are sneaking across the borders getting health care for free to subvert these cures.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Second, think about what kind of repercussions this will have on taxes.  Remember the IRS scandal?  Well if Obama cures one type of cancer, he's probably going to tax the hell out of it, showing that he can just arbitrarily tax whatever he wants.  And when are we going to let the public have this cure?  Will it be fast and furious?  Like when Eric Holder murdered that border patrol agent and Obama covered it up?  What's he going to tell us, if you like your cancer cure, you can keep it?  What about after my cancer is cured and the doctor won't prescribe it anymore.  I thought I could keep it?  What if the hospital I get my cure at is powered by Solyndra?  How long are taxpayers going to have to prop that place up, just so I can pay my high tax fast and furious Solyndra fueled Benghazi chosen cancer cure.

SlothB77 is right.
 
2014-01-30 01:52:08 PM  

yakmans_dad: patrick767: Then why is it that virtually every other first world country in the world does health care better than the US, getting better outcomes for less money and covering more of their people, by having MORE government involvement in the system than we do?

Compare Cuban and American health care. Cuba spends a smaller % of its dinky GDP on health care than we do. And Cubans live longer.

The right wing in this country is insane. Or criminal. Or both.


How do the Cubans live longer?  I thought all of them healthy enough to swim 90 miles left.  That should really move a heart failure bell.
 
2014-01-30 01:52:56 PM  
Shorter version: Sure, they pay us, but would you believe they expect us to work?
 
2014-01-30 01:53:25 PM  

badLogic: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You must not have checked the Politics tab yet.


This is the politics tab:

ninjamonkey.us
 
2014-01-30 01:53:54 PM  

dpzum1: Yea... and income tax in France is around 40% Sales tax, around 20%..Go on, have at it.


Not really. I did the research and calculations a few years ago, and if I had the same paying job over there as here, I'd be paying about the same amount of taxes. But I'd be getting a hell of a lot more in social services over there. But not nearly as cool a military.
 
2014-01-30 01:54:54 PM  
Decisions, Decisions.

Do I believe "if you like your health plan you can keep it-period", "the most transparent administration in history" (despite stonewalling everything from Fast and furious to Food stamp data), "no lobbyist will be employed by my administration", shovel ready and green jobs President?

Or do I believe an anonymous source of information that contradicts the President's claims and by doing that makes the source racist?
 
2014-01-30 01:54:59 PM  
There's working hard at Costco - stocking X shelves in a section, running a register, folding clothes and maintaining the floor, and then there is miserably understaffed working hard at Costco - stocking all the shelves in multiple sections by oneself, running a register AND maintaining the floor, bathrooms etc...

Any job can be miserable if the place is too understaffed.  I don't remember too many threads where office workers, biatching that everyone in their department got laid off but them and they were doing the job of 5 people, were told to shut up and stop whining because working hard was what they were supposed to do.  This thread is just another example of it being okay to shiat on lower paid hourly employees even when working conditions can be just as ridiculous.
 
2014-01-30 01:55:05 PM  
Was it this guy?

s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-01-30 01:55:22 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


I realize I'm late to the party, but "this."
 
2014-01-30 01:59:10 PM  

hasty ambush: Decisions, Decisions.

Do I believe "if you like your health plan you can keep it-period", "the most transparent administration in history" (despite stonewalling everything from Fast and furious to Food stamp data), "no lobbyist will be employed by my administration", shovel ready and green jobs President?

Or do I believe an anonymous source of information that contradicts the President's claims and by doing that makes the source racist?


Sure, you can believe that the President was lying when he said that Costco pays its employees more than minimum wage. It would make you an idiot, but you're free to believe that.
 
2014-01-30 02:01:36 PM  

MugzyBrown: Mrtraveler01: So government intervention allowed Standard Oil to have a monopoly, until that same government broke that monopoly up?

Standard Oil had about 150 competitors at the time of their Supreme Court case and their 'Monopoly' killed the consumer by lower the cost of refined oil from about 40 cents in the 1860's to about 6 cents in 1897.


What about the breakup of Ma Bell then?  Seriously, how many examples of the government breaking up monopolies do we have to show before you admit you're just full of shiat and making things up?
 
2014-01-30 02:02:15 PM  
Why are so many people allergic to work? That's what you're being PAID to do. Stop whining.
 
2014-01-30 02:02:39 PM  

bongmiester: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)


More than that. It's also the level of scrutiny about your hours on the job, mistakes made, etc.

Really, the biggest incentive for career advancement is the ever decreasing likelihood that you'll get shiat for something that is a rounding error on a mistake someone higher up makes.
 
2014-01-30 02:03:01 PM  

Infernalist: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

 
2014-01-30 02:03:22 PM  
TFA's writer and our Fark mod min can rest easy knowing they have fired shots against tyranny. The culture wars are at an end. Thanks, Drew for putting this on the main
 
2014-01-30 02:03:59 PM  
So basically the one person in the article they could find to complain is biatching that work is hard.
 
2014-01-30 02:04:25 PM  

hawcian: mike_d85: coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.

I did.  And this wasn't some "back in 1992" deal, this was the starting pay at a job I started at 5 years ago.  $24,500 starting.  No OT and I put in at least 50 a week.  More when I became a supervisor 6 months into starting without a raise.

Where was this?


A shipping company in South Carolina.  The turnover was sky-high for new employees.  They could only keep people who wanted a job for benefits.  I've never heard of benefits better outside of military.  And a few military took the benefits there because they didn't like the VA.

I assumed for years that I would hit a point where I would get paid significantly more.  I did, but I found out a LOT about micro-management from that job.  I was to monitor salary employees' breaks to ensure they were exactly 15 minutes.  If an employee was not at their desk working at precisely 8am, I was to have them make up time Friday evening and only Friday evening.  The same rule applied to breaks and lunch.

Management training amounted to "Sociopath 101" including how to recognize when an employee is job hunting so you can deny time off on short notice and change their breaks.
 
2014-01-30 02:05:46 PM  
Yeah we get paid way more than employees at Walmart, but we hand out like a ton of samples.
 
2014-01-30 02:06:23 PM  

quiotu: Seriously, how many examples of the government breaking up monopolies do we have to show before you admit you're just full of shiat and making things up?


Trick question.

There is no answer that will satisfy the criteria presented.
 
2014-01-30 02:06:43 PM  
So yeah, they pay well and have good benefits, but they make you actually work for it? Oh the huge manitee!

I suspect that if this is a real person, that upon seeing this article most people who work at that location roll their eyes and say, "I know who that is."
 
2014-01-30 02:07:11 PM  
I'm not a fan of the president, but that was a pretty damn weak rebuttal.
 
2014-01-30 02:07:40 PM  
The Obama does not like to be rebuttalled. Never rebuttall the Obama-in-chief. Do not make him go Mau Mau on your ass.
 
2014-01-30 02:10:43 PM  

mhix01: High turnover at Costco?  I've been shopping at the same Costco for over 13 years and I've seen the same employees there the whole time.  That's amazing to me.  There are new ones and some do go but a surprising large number of them are still there.  Enough so some even know who I am.


Those are different people. Costo got a machine that transforms new employees into one of 40 shopper-friendly skins.
 
2014-01-30 02:16:31 PM  

mod3072: I'm not a fan of the president, but that was a pretty damn weak rebuttal.


So, basically, everything the GOP does that is petualent / retarded / asinine / obstructionist was fine for the past 5 years, but THIS is where you draw the line?

//i know, that's PROBABLY strawmaning it a bit.
 
2014-01-30 02:18:24 PM  

MindStalker: FTA: "While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard. He said that his store has a high turnover rate and is understaffed, leading to a heavier work load for those that still work there.  "


Wow, the guy sounds lazy. Maybe after he's worked a few more jobs he'll come back to realize life is hard.


Here's a thought, Mr. Costco employee - quit.  Find a job where you get paid $11.50 an hour where you don't have to work so hard and open up your position for someone that's willing to do the work.
 
2014-01-30 02:18:39 PM  

lennavan: yakmans_dad: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.

Well, is curing one cancer enough?  Why didn't he cure two types?  Why not three?  How did he choose which cancer he cured?  It was arbitrary, just like Benghazi.  You can't just cure one type of cancer arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Health care doesn't work like that.  Even at the current cancer cure rates, illegal immigrants are sneaking across the borders getting health care for free to subvert these cures.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Second, think about what kind of repercussions this will have on taxes.  Remember the IRS scandal?  Well if Obama cures one type of cancer, he's probably going to tax the hell out of it, showing that he can just arbitrarily tax whatever he wants.  And when are we going to let the public have this cure?  Will it be fast and furious?  Like when Eric ...


*starts slow clap*
 
2014-01-30 02:21:15 PM  

coeyagi: mod3072: I'm not a fan of the president, but that was a pretty damn weak rebuttal.

So, basically, everything the GOP does that is petualent / retarded / asinine / obstructionist was fine for the past 5 years, but THIS is where you draw the line?

//i know, that's PROBABLY strawmaning it a bit.


You are apparently reading a lot more into my post than I was intending to say, because I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
 
2014-01-30 02:21:23 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?


YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?
 
2014-01-30 02:21:33 PM  

JK47: SlothB77: Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


1)  The Government has been involved in the insurance industry since the 19th century (states) and 1944 (United States vs. SEUA) and codified in the McCarran Act.

2)  The private sector, particularly the segment dealing with individual policyholders purchasing health plans, hasn't been able to provide an product with adequate coverage at a reasonable price as evinced by the fact that large segments of the population remained uninsured due to the fact that coverage was not affordable.  Further, insurance companies have no incentive to write policies that cover the sick (those with pre-existing conditions), the elderly (those who do or may develop such conditions), or those who present personal or financial risks (smokers, people who drink alcohol, the poor, etc).  Without gov't intervention such populations would have to do without health insurance, and as a consequence, without true medical care.

3)  The government has often gotten involved in the pricing of insurance policies, regulating rates and rate increases, especially in the property and casualty arena.  The government has also often required parties to provide insurance which is why you currently benefit from workers compensation insurance (instead of being shiat out of luck) and the third party liability coverage provided by auto insurance purch ...


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2014-01-30 02:22:37 PM  

gar1013: More than that. It's also the level of scrutiny about your hours on the job, mistakes made, etc.

Really, the biggest incentive for career advancement is the ever decreasing likelihood that you'll get shiat for something that is a rounding error on a mistake someone higher up makes.


So true. The hourly employees here have to put "Lunch Time" or "Break Time" on their screen if they browse the Internet. Meanwhile I am expected to take some "down time" in order to "decompress" while on the clock.

Not saying it's fair. I'm saying "Study hard and stay in school!"
 
2014-01-30 02:28:27 PM  
does anyone else remember to call me this adag, " they pretend to pass so we pretend to work"
 
2014-01-30 02:28:47 PM  
While the store pays $11.50, he complained that Costco works its employees too hard.

Welcome to the working world, entitled snowflake
 
2014-01-30 02:29:15 PM  

Newfiesnowman: So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?


Well given that capital gains are actually taxed at a lower rate, and that stock awards are not actually considered "salary," the loophole is already built in.

Good luck trying to best highly-compensated executives and their $500/hr corporate attorneys at games involving the letter of the law.
 
2014-01-30 02:31:24 PM  
See? Costco doesn't discriminate in hiring! They even have TeaTards like this asshat on the payroll!
 
2014-01-30 02:39:07 PM  

AeAe: Obama: "Costco pays their employees $11.50/hour"

Rebuttal:  "True, but Costco makes their employees work hard"


Yeah...the so-called "journalist" certainly stuck it to them libs.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:08 PM  

Pangea: Newfiesnowman: So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

Well given that capital gains are actually taxed at a lower rate, and that stock awards are not actually considered "salary," the loophole is already built in.

Good luck trying to best highly-compensated executives and their $500/hr corporate attorneys at games involving the letter of the law.


Damn them law games! If only activision developed something for PS4 we might stand a fighting chance.

I keep forgetting you need a large sum of money to steal a large sum of money to make profits
 
2014-01-30 02:43:30 PM  

Newfiesnowman: Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?


Since when is life about people getting what they deserve? It's about what you can get. If I can get a million a month, I'm not going to feel bad because a janitor only makes 10 bucks an hour.
 
2014-01-30 02:43:30 PM  

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.


Like all Republican, you fail at basic logic.

The existence of CostCo does not prove big retailers care about their employees, because Wal Mart proves they don't.

However, it does prove big retailers can pay above minimum wage and be profitable.
 
2014-01-30 02:47:03 PM  

tricycleracer: The socialist should mind his own business about private business. By the way if you raise the minimum wage you will raise the cost of all food. Ten bucks for a hamburger anyone?

Oh the horror that your junk food may cost more!


Someone should make a video explaining this.
 
2014-01-30 02:47:39 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Since when is life about people getting what they deserve? It's about what you can get. If I can get a million a month, I'm not going to feel bad because a janitor only makes 10 bucks an hour.


I believe he's making the argument it SHOULD be that way.  Thus he wants a maximum wage instituted.
 
2014-01-30 02:48:14 PM  

SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.


One company out of (insert some huge number here) bucks the trend and pays a semi-living wage - and is successful - and that is an argument that no government intervention is required for the other 99% of companies that will continue to pay minimum wage at it's current pathetically low rate?

I don't even know how to respond to something so backwards.
 
2014-01-30 02:48:37 PM  

Dog Welder: AeAe: Obama: "Costco pays their employees $11.50/hour"

Rebuttal:  "True, but Costco makes their employees work hard"

Yeah...the so-called "journalist" certainly stuck it to them libs.


How many libs do you know actually work hard?  They keep having to be told about their bootstraps after all.
 
2014-01-30 02:55:22 PM  

yakmans_dad: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.


Obama curing cancer would mean that the millions, if not billions, of dollars currently dedicated to cancer research had been for nothing. This would include money from government grants; this would be money that could have been better spent, such as on a new aircraft carrier or a tank, instead of dumped into research that Obama made entirely unnecessary and irrelevant.

Imagine if I bought a load of potatoes to make French fries, and you come home with a bag of French fries from McDonalds. Now what do I do with those potatoes? You just made my effort in obtaining them a waste, and now I am stuck with more than I can count.
 
2014-01-30 02:57:08 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Newfiesnowman: Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?

Since when is life about people getting what they deserve? It's about what you can get. If I can get a million a month, I'm not going to feel bad because a janitor only makes 10 bucks an hour.


I sincerely hope you are not a Christian. Life isn't about getting what people deserve, there is no set way to live a life. You may believe it's about getting what you can get. I believe differently. Whatever you can get in this life is of no consequence when diagnosed with terminal cancer. Do you see how quickly this whole 'it's about what you can get' becomes meaningless so quickly?

After all, getting whatever you can will make you no happier. There's no difference in happiness between 10,000 / month, 100,000/month or 1,000,000 / month. You will however notice a major difference in happiness between 1,000/month and 10,000/month. Why? Simple, once you can afford to do things you can afford to do things. The logo on the car or jeans won't make you any happier then the point at which you can comfortably afford jean or a car.

So, one person can have 25 homes at the expense of thousands working pay cheque to pay cheque simply because they won the birth lottery or happened to have certain circumstances go their way on their journey through life?

It's not about feeling bad it's about having a social conscience. But hey, what do I know, no one really knows how to live a life
 
2014-01-30 02:57:50 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


First, the exception proves the rule.

Second, no shiat Sherlock. Economics is not a precise science, so that's your argument for fark the poors? Oh, and thanks for pointing out another reason for sweeping immigration reform.

Finally, you sound...wait for it...EXTREMELY CONCERNED.
 
2014-01-30 02:57:52 PM  

Mell of a Hess: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Let's make it $50/hour.  No matter that milk will be $25/gallon.


If "hurr let's make it $eleventy billion/hr!" is your only argument, you've already lost.
 
2014-01-30 02:58:39 PM  

ShawnDoc: I've been shopping at the same Costco for over 10 years.  Some of the current checkers were there when I first started working there (not necessarily as a checker), and its rare to see more than one new face on my monthly visit.  So sounds like this dude either works at a shiatty Costco, or is just full of shiat.


My bet is he is the author's son, who wants to have a cushy job like his old man, but was forced to find a better paying job to fund his hobbies since he won't move out even after getting his degree, &tc.
 
2014-01-30 03:06:18 PM  

impaler: However, it does prove big retailers can pay above minimum wage and be profitable.


If they all charge at least $55 membership fee, carry limit products, and stay out of poor neighborhoods.
 
2014-01-30 03:06:54 PM  

qorkfiend: hasty ambush: Decisions, Decisions.

Do I believe "if you like your health plan you can keep it-period", "the most transparent administration in history" (despite stonewalling everything from Fast and furious to Food stamp data), "no lobbyist will be employed by my administration", shovel ready and green jobs President?

Or do I believe an anonymous source of information that contradicts the President's claims and by doing that makes the source racist?

Sure, you can believe that the President was lying when he said that Costco pays its employees more than minimum wage. It would make you an idiot, but you're free to believe that.

  Has it been fact checked?  Was the President talking about all Costcos or maybe ones in specific locals that have a higher minimum wage than the federal one?

Of course I am only going by the headline and DNRTFA
 
2014-01-30 03:07:23 PM  

mike_d85: hawcian: mike_d85: coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.

I did.  And this wasn't some "back in 1992" deal, this was the starting pay at a job I started at 5 years ago.  $24,500 starting.  No OT and I put in at least 50 a week.  More when I became a supervisor 6 months into starting without a raise.

Where was this?

A shipping company in South Carolina.  The turnover was sky-high for new employees.  They could only keep people who wanted a job for benefits.  I've never heard of benefits better outside of military.  And a few military took the benefits there because they didn't like the VA.

I assumed for years that I would hit a point where I would get paid significantly more.  I did, but I found out a LOT about micro-management from that job.  I was to monitor salary employees' breaks to ensure they were exactly 15 minutes.  If an employee was not at their desk working at precisely 8am, I was to have them make up time Friday evening and only Friday evening.  The same rule applied to breaks and lunch.

Management training amounted to "Sociopath 101" including how to recognize when an employee is job hunting so you can deny time off on short notice and change their breaks.


Hrrm... wonder why, so high turnover was, I am.
 
2014-01-30 03:07:25 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.
Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face,


Well, bless your heart.  I'm sure you do the best you can.

 
2014-01-30 03:08:10 PM  
If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match
 
2014-01-30 03:10:58 PM  

Bullseyed: why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house


Maybe you smell funny?
 
2014-01-30 03:11:17 PM  
"I guarantee that if workers had a little more money in their pocket, they'll spend more at Costco," the president said. "And if Costco starts seeing more customers, they'll start hiring some more folk."

I had a libby friend try that logic.  "All these companies are just sitting on money.  They need to hire more people.  It doesnt matter if the work is there.  Those people will have money and they will buy more things from the company.  Everyone wins"

I then then asked him what the company does if the employees decide they want a big screen tv instead of a vacuum cleaner their employer sells.  The company would then be out the money, have increased weekly expenses, and be less likely to survive a recession.

He said nothing.. but later kept up his opinion that business just need to pay more money.  (and orders will magically show up)

Needless to say, he never owned a business in his life, and works for the federal government.
 
2014-01-30 03:11:57 PM  

Newfiesnowman: After all, getting whatever you can will make you no happier. There's no difference in happiness between 10,000 / month, 100,000/month or 1,000,000 / month. You will however notice a major difference in happiness between 1,000/month and 10,000/month. Why? Simple, once you can afford to do things you can afford to do things. The logo on the car or jeans won't make you any happier then the point at which you can comfortably afford jean or a car.


I doubt either of us are in the position to know that.
 
2014-01-30 03:13:19 PM  

Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match


Could be like the town my brother lives in....

The local commerce board and city hall are actively blocking them because they want to remain "small town". Include surrounding county, it is 50000 peeps nearby and another 20k within 30 minutes.

Sigh.
 
2014-01-30 03:15:51 PM  
Maybe my Costcos are different, but I've seen the same people working there forever, so I don't think they have massive turnover issues.
 
2014-01-30 03:16:04 PM  

ndeans: That worker is most likely a millennial. They biatch and moan about having to get out of bed in the morning. I could feel some sympathy if he said he is having to work overtime with short pay, or say he actually wasn't getting the $11.50 an hour like they say he is. But he doesn't. Instead it is all "Blah, blah, blah. I have to actually do work and shiat. It's hard to have to earn my living and get paid for it."


Well, to be fair, I do too...
 
2014-01-30 03:16:32 PM  

Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match


So Wal-Mart is there and Costco is not, huh?  Maybe your area is just full of poors.  Pretty sure there aren't any Costco stores in eastern Kentucky, either.
 
2014-01-30 03:17:16 PM  
BTW, this isn't a really bad rate. 1 in 127,000 U.S.Costco employees disagrees with Obama.
 
2014-01-30 03:19:50 PM  

Lexx: bongmiester: Lando Lincoln: "Sure, we start out at $11.50 per hour, but they work us really hard! And there's high turnover!"

Apparently this guy hasn't worked in other places, like Kmart, where they have the same problems but they pay you less.

it's been my experience that the amount you are worked is inversely proportional to the amount your are paid (for some reason)
You're not the only one who's noticed that.  I worked far harder for $6.85 an hour than I did for $65,000 a year.


Wow.. this just in.  If you do not have to use your brain, you might have to do some work.

Who would have thought that most engineers do not make $11 an hour and have skinny arms.
 
2014-01-30 03:25:50 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


You're right! One retailer paying their employees more than minimum wage proves that we don't need to increase the minimum wage, except that it doesn't. That's like saying one person giving 5 dollars to a homeless man means we can get rid of soup kitchens.

Here a good place to start drawing that line, right about where the taxpayers don't have to pick up the tab for the welfare that companies like McDonalds and Walmart get.

http://business.time.com/2013/10/15/fast-food-workers-are-costing-th e- u-s-7-billion-a-year-in-public-aid/

How is it you're OK with the taxpayers bailing out big companies for not paying their workers a livable wage? Nothing causes big government like having to have agencies to distribute money for food to employees who aren't paid a livable wage by the companies that employ them. So you want to get rid of the minimum wage so we can have higher taxes and bigger government?

This is one of the dumber republican arguments I've ever heard, and I've been hearing it a lot lately.
 
2014-01-30 03:27:22 PM  

Lando Lincoln: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.

No, we do, since 99% of company owners would rather have their teeth removed with rusty pliers than give their workers a decent salary. The President was using Costco as a good example of how well and profitable a company can run when their workers are treated well to show the business world that it actually CAN be done.


Of course it can be done.  All companies need to do is only have shops in wealthy white neighborhoods and non where city dwellers live.  I'm sure that will work out well.
 
2014-01-30 03:28:05 PM  
Fark Costco, I rather work for BJs
 
2014-01-30 03:30:02 PM  

Mell of a Hess: SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Let's make it $50/hour.  No matter that milk will be $25/gallon.


Yes it's much better to let McDonald's get rich while the taxpayers fund the welfare it's employees are on.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-15/mcdonalds-low-wages- co me-with-a-7-billion-side-of-welfare

It's much better that employed people be taxed more so that McDonalds can make more money, you know, as long as milk is still cheap (milk is cheap because it's subsidized by the government, anyway).

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/1206/Milk-for-7-a-gallon-F a rm-bill-impasse-could-send-US-off-dairy-cliff.
 
2014-01-30 03:38:46 PM  
"I don't like the way they treat their employees, and I don't like some of the products they import," she said. "Even though some of Costco's products are imported, I still like them better."

WTF does that even mean? I know it's English and Iooks to be grammatically correct but how come I'm confuse then?

What exactly is she trying to say? WHAT?!?!?
 
2014-01-30 03:44:13 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Newfiesnowman: After all, getting whatever you can will make you no happier. There's no difference in happiness between 10,000 / month, 100,000/month or 1,000,000 / month. You will however notice a major difference in happiness between 1,000/month and 10,000/month. Why? Simple, once you can afford to do things you can afford to do things. The logo on the car or jeans won't make you any happier then the point at which you can comfortably afford jean or a car.

I doubt either of us are in the position to know that.


No, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Lets say you find yourself in the woods, cold, hungry, thirsty and alone. Then someone finds you brings you back to their shack gives you some warm tea and a meal. You're happiness just went from non-existent to immeasurable.

That basically happened to us as a society. Then, we took that same idea and figured hey, look how our happiness increased because we are now warm and fed, imagine what it'd be if we had Steak! After the steak was delicious we thought, hmmmm, you know what would be even better? A yacht to eat the steak on! shiat yeah it makes you happy for a short period but it's no where near that first happiness fix we had. So, how do we get that fix again?

What is life if not an experience? Deep I know. I firmly believe my experience shouldn't come at the expense of someone else.

This is why a wage cap of 250 - 300 times the lowest paid worker is not unreasonable. An argument could even be made that it'd increase profits being that the CEO gets paid based on the lowest livable wage of their employees. Novel concept
 
2014-01-30 04:02:46 PM  
So one anonymous worker complains about his wage that's already higher than the proposed new minimum wage... and then the rest of TFA also disagrees with him as well.

Wow, gee, I'm sure convinced...
 
2014-01-30 04:07:14 PM  

KidneyStone: And I made bare-ass minimum wage.

And I have no regrets about any of it - learning those skills allowed me to replace all of the crappy polybutylene plumbing in my house all by myself. Saved about $2,000 over having it done by a contractor



If you had worked at Costco you could have afforded that $2000.
 
2014-01-30 04:14:39 PM  
The article was too dumb to engage so let me instead note these interesting facts:

Sam's Club also charges a membership fee, has the exact same business model as Costco but only pays, on average minimum wage. According to the Harvard Business Review, Costco's average hourly wage for employees is 72% higher than Sam's ($17 vs $9.62/hr) Furthermore 82% of Costco workers have health insurance vs. only 50% of Sam's workers and Costco pays 88% of health insurance premiums whereas Sams pays just 66%
Despite all this, even though Costco is paying MUCH more per employee, Costco has MUCH higher profits both overall and on a per-store basis. Some of the reasons for that is employee turn-over is much lower than at Sams 17% v 44% which saves Costco almost half-billion a year in employee turn over costs. Also Costco has the lowest rate of "shrinkage" in the industry (theft of inventory by workers) saving them even more.
They really are doing good by doing right
 
2014-01-30 04:15:15 PM  
Here's a good thought experiment regarding minimum wage:

1) Would you be fine with minimum wage being set at your current earnings?

2) Would you still put in the same amount of effort at your job if you knew that you were compensated at the minimum amount required by law?

3) Would you contine to work at your same job, or would you find another job, knowing that you wouldn't be any worse of financially for having done so?

4) Would you still invest the same amount of time and effort in your education and career development, knowing that those efforts don't produce an incremental benefit in your earning capacity?

5) Assume we let the minimum wage be less than what you make. What level should that be? What impact would it have on those who were above minimum wage, who now find themselves at minimum wage?

6) For those who are currently at minimum wage, and still seem barely able to handle their jobs, do you think they would be employed at a higher minimum wage, or do you think they would be chronically locked out of the labor market?
 
2014-01-30 04:16:07 PM  
"Costco Employee biatches About 'Working Too Hard' For Higher-Than-Minimum-Wage Pay."

FTFY
 
2014-01-30 04:18:03 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


How much is "enough"? Well, that's very simple.  Enough is the Hourly wage that allows a person to wrk 40 hours per week and not need government assistance to afford healthcare, Housing, transportation or food.  In other words "enough" is the number at which the economic activity and profits of a large corporation are nont subsidized by me, the taxpayer in the form of financial assistance to its employees
 
2014-01-30 04:21:17 PM  

Magorn: Sam's Club also charges a membership fee, has the exact same business model as Costco but only pays, on average minimum wage.


Magorn: According to the Harvard Business Review, Costco's average hourly wage for employees is 72% higher than Sam's ($17 vs $9.62/hr)


So which is it?
 
2014-01-30 04:26:41 PM  
 Yah I know this place pretty good, I went to law school here.

qzprod.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-30 04:29:05 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Of course it can be done. All companies need to do is only have shops in wealthy white neighborhoods and non where city dwellers live. I'm sure that will work out well.


Hope you're not talking about Costco, which has a location in the city of Chicago. Also several other large cities.
 
2014-01-30 04:29:52 PM  

Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?


If you can't figure out how to raise everyone's pay, then yes.

Lol, of course suddenly every single person in America would suddenly become a "independent contractor."
 
2014-01-30 04:35:45 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week. I don't get overtime. Be happy you have a job and get back to work.


So you're getting taken advantage of and instead of fixing your situation, you want everyone else to get taken advantage of. Doesn't matter what you do, if you're not getting overtime you're being taken advantage of. Also if you're working those hours every week, you're being taken advantage of.
 
2014-01-30 04:43:29 PM  

gar1013: Here's a good thought experiment regarding minimum wage:

1) Would you be fine with minimum wage being set at your current earnings?

2) Would you still put in the same amount of effort at your job if you knew that you were compensated at the minimum amount required by law?

3) Would you contine to work at your same job, or would you find another job, knowing that you wouldn't be any worse of financially for having done so?



Here's where your thought experiment failed.  You didn't realize if minimum wage was set at my current compensation level, my current employer would raise the salary for my position in order to keep competitive.  They'd probably raise prices, not that they need to because they can afford it quite easily.

But yes, yes I would keep working my same job even if other people in easier jobs made as much as I do.  I don't gauge my success by how much better I am doing than other people.  You see, I'm not an asshole like it seems you are.  I get by just fine.  If my neighbors are also getting by just fine, that has no bearing on my life -- I'm happy for them.
 
2014-01-30 04:44:21 PM  

Newfiesnowman: Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?


Well, and the nice thing is that if you thought that you deserved more than that, all you would have to do is raise the wages of the lowest paid employees.  If you've got 250 people making 60,000 a year, that probably deserves more than the 500,000 a month.

On the other hand, if you're Walmart, and your business is built around a million employees making poverty level wages, you definitely don't deserve even six million dollars a year.
 
2014-01-30 04:46:09 PM  
How the F did this get greenlit with the "Interesting" tag?  Hey subby use the Asinine tag for 1) an article as ridiculously stupid as this, 2) for the poor worker whining about having to work hard.
 
2014-01-30 04:49:24 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week. I don't get overtime. Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

So you're getting taken advantage of and instead of fixing your situation, you want everyone else to get taken advantage of. Doesn't matter what you do, if you're not getting overtime you're being taken advantage of. Also if you're working those hours every week, you're being taken advantage of.


But he/she likes it when her company takes advantage of her!  How else can she prove to the people that she works for that she's sufficiently grateful for the chance to spend ten or more hours at work every day for them?
 
2014-01-30 04:52:36 PM  
Sounds like the whiny farks who complain about the company on Glassdoor because the starting wage isn't enough to live near work.

It's an entry level position in the call center, it pays full benefits, and you can work from your farking home (and the company will provide the computer/phone/software).

Oh, and it's $15/hour to start.

Some people are never happy.
 
2014-01-30 05:00:47 PM  
Every place I have ever worked paid more because of 1) the work was harder and they couldn't keep workers or 2) they required more skill to do the work.  Most kids today are hard workers, however the whiny farkers are the ones that get the most attention (and get promoted to management)
 
2014-01-30 05:07:54 PM  

impaler: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.

Like all Republican, you fail at basic logic.

The existence of CostCo does not prove big retailers care about their employees, because Wal Mart proves they don't.

However, it does prove big retailers can pay above minimum wage and be profitable.



<sarcasm on>
By his logic if 99.99999% of the people do not game the voting system then we do not need voter ID. Wait a minute I think that might work.

<sarcasm off>

The real problem Mr SlothB77 is that there is significant evidence that a the number of retailers like WalMart far exceed the number like CostCo.

<sarcasm on>
If only everyone was as smart and logical as SlothB77 the world would be a better place.
<sarcasm off>

The tags are to help the humor impaired.
 
2014-01-30 05:10:57 PM  
i got my law degree there. President Camacho rocks.
 
2014-01-30 05:11:14 PM  

Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match


Costco wants educated rational customers and Walmart does not care?
 
2014-01-30 05:20:19 PM  

SphericalTime: Newfiesnowman: Uncontrolled_Jibe: SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.

So if you have 100 employees at $30k or 10,000 employees at $30k you make the same pay?

YES! That's still 6,000,000 / year or 500,000 / month. What does it matter that you have 100, 10,000, or 100,000? Are you even trying to argue that anyone deserves more then 500,000/month?

It's greed and nothing short of that. Most people would be happy with 100,000 / year.

Also, if someone wants to pay me 6,000,000 per year and tax me at 70% I'm perfectly fine with that. You'd still clear 1,800,000 per year or 150,000 / month.

Seriously, what's wrong with people?

Well, and the nice thing is that if you thought that you deserved more than that, all you would have to do is raise the wages of the lowest paid employees.  If you've got 250 people making 60,000 a year, that probably deserves more than the 500,000 a month.

On the other hand, if you're Walmart, and your business is built around a million employees making poverty level wages, you definitely don't deserve even six million dollars a year.


Exactly and you'd no doubt see walmart employee salaries rise. The CEO is still responsible to the shareholders but their salary is dependent solely upon their employees which is as is should be. It's just a theory, but I'm willing to bet morale and productivity would increase throughout the work force. Said CEO would be invested in the development and progress of their employees just as much as the business.

Forcing companies to be socially responsible through CEO pay. Imagine.
 
2014-01-30 05:22:37 PM  

ndeans: That worker is most likely a millennial. They biatch and moan about having to get out of bed in the morning. I could feel some sympathy if he said he is having to work overtime with short pay, or say he actually wasn't getting the $11.50 an hour like they say he is. But he doesn't. Instead it is all "Blah, blah, blah. I have to actually do work and shiat. It's hard to have to earn my living and get paid for it."


My guess would be a Fox News watching, 40 something Palinite.
 
2014-01-30 05:43:40 PM  
Maybe he should go work at Walmart and get on food stamps?

Hey at least then he gets a 30 hour work week.
 
2014-01-30 05:45:00 PM  

OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.


your posting on fark
 
2014-01-30 05:49:32 PM  

sdd2000: Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match

Costco wants educated rational customers and Walmart does not care?


Well, I've yet to see a People Of Costco website..
 
2014-01-30 05:50:03 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.

Yeah, that article was bad.  But the president is doing more to hurt his cause here.

First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.


Right that is why we should do away with the minimum wage and guarantee every health adult an annual income of 50,000 dollars a year, tied to inflation. Sure, some will have to suffer for everyone to have a great standard of living comrade, but that is the price you pay in service to the state.
 
2014-01-30 06:15:41 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: impaler: However, it does prove big retailers can pay above minimum wage and be profitable.

If they all charge at least $55 membership fee, carry limit products, and stay out of poor neighborhoods.


Limited products? I only get meat, protein powder, and whiskey from Costco.

And if they can open a warehouse in the poorer areas of San Jose, San Leandro, and Richmond, I'm gonna disagree with the last part.

You're right about the membership fee funding their profits, but I make it back in AmEx rewards.

I love Costco.
 
2014-01-30 06:28:50 PM  

lennavan: gar1013: Here's a good thought experiment regarding minimum wage:

1) Would you be fine with minimum wage being set at your current earnings?

2) Would you still put in the same amount of effort at your job if you knew that you were compensated at the minimum amount required by law?

3) Would you contine to work at your same job, or would you find another job, knowing that you wouldn't be any worse of financially for having done so?

Here's where your thought experiment failed.  You didn't realize if minimum wage was set at my current compensation level, my current employer would raise the salary for my position in order to keep competitive.  They'd probably raise prices, not that they need to because they can afford it quite easily.

But yes, yes I would keep working my same job even if other people in easier jobs made as much as I do.  I don't gauge my success by how much better I am doing than other people.  You see, I'm not an asshole like it seems you are.  I get by just fine.  If my neighbors are also getting by just fine, that has no bearing on my life -- I'm happy for them.


Actually where you failed is this: if your job does not produce a surplus above the new minimum wage, why would they increase your comp? If you provide $100 of value, you will get paid less than $100 unless minimum wage dictates otherwise. If you produce $50 of value, but must be paid $100, then someone else is going to have to subsidize your value - thus, if they produce $200, they will get paid at most $150 just to break even.

I will ignore the personal attack out of the assumption that you maybe have never had a high stress job. If you have someone who is working 6 or 7 days a week for a company, 14 hour days minimum, and they are willing to do it when they could do similar work and have a 9 to 5 earning the same amount...well, they are just being stupid to the benefit of the company making money off of them. I've experienced it first hand, and I can honestly say that earning the same amount of money with half the stress is a noticeable improvement.
 
2014-01-30 06:32:21 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: "I don't like the way they treat their employees, and I don't like some of the products they import," she said. "Even though some of Costco's products are imported, I still like them better (than their competitors)"

WTF does that even mean? I know it's English and Iooks to be grammatically correct but how come I'm confuse then?

What exactly is she trying to say? WHAT?!?!?


She's saying she doesn't necessarily  agree with all of their business practices but she still shops there.
She also sounds like a biatch.
 
2014-01-30 06:38:12 PM  

gar1013: lennavan: gar1013: Here's a good thought experiment regarding minimum wage:

1) Would you be fine with minimum wage being set at your current earnings?

2) Would you still put in the same amount of effort at your job if you knew that you were compensated at the minimum amount required by law?

3) Would you contine to work at your same job, or would you find another job, knowing that you wouldn't be any worse of financially for having done so?

Here's where your thought experiment failed.  You didn't realize if minimum wage was set at my current compensation level, my current employer would raise the salary for my position in order to keep competitive.  They'd probably raise prices, not that they need to because they can afford it quite easily.

But yes, yes I would keep working my same job even if other people in easier jobs made as much as I do.  I don't gauge my success by how much better I am doing than other people.  You see, I'm not an asshole like it seems you are.  I get by just fine.  If my neighbors are also getting by just fine, that has no bearing on my life -- I'm happy for them.

Actually where you failed is this: if your job does not produce a surplus above the new minimum wage, why would they increase your comp? If you provide $100 of value, you will get paid less than $100 unless minimum wage dictates otherwise. If you produce $50 of value, but must be paid $100, then someone else is going to have to subsidize your value - thus, if they produce $200, they will get paid at most $150 just to break even.

I will ignore the personal attack out of the assumption that you maybe have never had a high stress job. If you have someone who is working 6 or 7 days a week for a company, 14 hour days minimum, and they are willing to do it when they could do similar work and have a 9 to 5 earning the same amount...well, they are just being stupid to the benefit of the company making money off of them. I've experienced it first hand, and I can honestly say that earni ...


Your whole argument is based on pay being directly proportionate to productivity / all positions in a company must produce a net profit.
Neither of which is true.
 
2014-01-30 06:45:48 PM  

Saners: gar1013: lennavan: gar1013: Here's a good thought experiment regarding minimum wage:

1) Would you be fine with minimum wage being set at your current earnings?

2) Would you still put in the same amount of effort at your job if you knew that you were compensated at the minimum amount required by law?

3) Would you contine to work at your same job, or would you find another job, knowing that you wouldn't be any worse of financially for having done so?

Here's where your thought experiment failed.  You didn't realize if minimum wage was set at my current compensation level, my current employer would raise the salary for my position in order to keep competitive.  They'd probably raise prices, not that they need to because they can afford it quite easily.

But yes, yes I would keep working my same job even if other people in easier jobs made as much as I do.  I don't gauge my success by how much better I am doing than other people.  You see, I'm not an asshole like it seems you are.  I get by just fine.  If my neighbors are also getting by just fine, that has no bearing on my life -- I'm happy for them.

Actually where you failed is this: if your job does not produce a surplus above the new minimum wage, why would they increase your comp? If you provide $100 of value, you will get paid less than $100 unless minimum wage dictates otherwise. If you produce $50 of value, but must be paid $100, then someone else is going to have to subsidize your value - thus, if they produce $200, they will get paid at most $150 just to break even.

I will ignore the personal attack out of the assumption that you maybe have never had a high stress job. If you have someone who is working 6 or 7 days a week for a company, 14 hour days minimum, and they are willing to do it when they could do similar work and have a 9 to 5 earning the same amount...well, they are just being stupid to the benefit of the company making money off of them. I've experienced it first hand, and I can honestly say that earni ...

Your whole argument is based on pay being directly proportionate to productivity / all positions in a company must produce a net profit.
Neither of which is true.


All positions in a company must produce a profit in aggregate or else the company will eventually cease to exist. Not rocket science.
 
2014-01-30 07:34:00 PM  
What I think is interesting is that with a consumer based economy one would think that you would want to get as much money to the people so the economy will grow and thrive not the other way around. How dumb do you have to be to rob the consumer of spending power and expect to have a growing economy based on consumption.
 
2014-01-30 07:41:24 PM  

jst3p: lennavan: yakmans_dad: SlothB77: First, he is showing that we don't need to raise the minimum wage to force companies to pay their workers more.  Here he shows CostCo willingly does pay their workers more without government intervention.  Kind of implodes the myth that big retailers don't care about their employees and will only pay them the bare minimum.  So it argues for not raising the minimum wage and let companies have the choice.

Second, Obama says $11.50 an hour still isn't enough.  Well, what is enough?  Where do you draw the line?  Is $12.50 enough?  Is $13.50 enough?  All of these numbers are very arbitrary.  Just like when this gov got involved in health care and thought they could do it smarter than the private sector and it blew up in their face, the same will happen here.  You can't just pick a number arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Economies don't work like that.  Even at the current minimum wage figure, companies use illegals in a secondary black market to subvert those controls.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Sounds like you'd complain if Obama cured cancer.

Well, is curing one cancer enough?  Why didn't he cure two types?  Why not three?  How did he choose which cancer he cured?  It was arbitrary, just like Benghazi.  You can't just cure one type of cancer arbitrarily and expect everything to function smoothly.  Health care doesn't work like that.  Even at the current cancer cure rates, illegal immigrants are sneaking across the borders getting health care for free to subvert these cures.  That problem will only get worse if the minimum wage is raised.

Second, think about what kind of repercussions this will have on taxes.  Remember the IRS scandal?  Well if Obama cures one type of cancer, he's probably going to tax the hell out of it, showing that he can just arbitrarily tax whatever he wants.  And when are we going to let the public have this cure?  Will it be fast and furious?  Like when Eric ...

*starts slow clap*


Headline: Obama cures cancer!
GOP response: Obama contributes to overpopulation!

Headline: Obama perfects cold fusion!
GOP response: Obama destroys coal industry!

Headline: Obama shiats golden eggs, gives them away
GOP response: Obama destabilizes precious metal markets!
 
2014-01-30 08:21:59 PM  
www.filmdope.com


static2.wikia.nocookie.net

RIP, SLOTH B.
 
2014-01-30 08:29:15 PM  

thamike: baka-san: Boo farking hoo, yeah, retail and warehouse work is hard.

Always get a MUCH better vibe in Costco than Sam's.

The Koi pond martini bar is what clinches it.


....don't forget the Polish Sausage dog

/ hope they still have those
// haven't been to a Costco in a few years  :-(
 
2014-01-30 08:38:16 PM  

kg2095: ndeans: That worker is most likely a millennial. They biatch and moan about having to get out of bed in the morning. I could feel some sympathy if he said he is having to work overtime with short pay, or say he actually wasn't getting the $11.50 an hour like they say he is. But he doesn't. Instead it is all "Blah, blah, blah. I have to actually do work and shiat. It's hard to have to earn my living and get paid for it."

My guess would be a Fox News watching, 40 something Palinite.


I work with one of those, except I don't work for Costco.
 
2014-01-30 08:41:30 PM  

Headso: cato113: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

You didn't read the comments

fark is like the Algonquin Round Table compared to that.


Can I be Robert Benchley? Robert Benchley was awesome.
 
2014-01-30 08:44:29 PM  

DORMAMU: Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match

Could be like the town my brother lives in....

The local commerce board and city hall are actively blocking them because they want to remain "small town". Include surrounding county, it is 50000 peeps nearby and another 20k within 30 minutes.

Sigh.


I live in a town with an NFL and NHL team. And an international airport. Costco is a small, regional company. Incomparable to Walmart.
 
2014-01-30 08:44:33 PM  

pmdgrwr: What I think is interesting is that with a consumer based economy one would think that you would want to get as much money to the people so the economy will grow and thrive not the other way around. How dumb do you have to be to rob the consumer of spending power and expect to have a growing economy based on consumption.


Who are "the people"?

You can do things: increase the size of the pie, or change how it is divided up.

Increasing the size of the pie requires an existing business to expand, a new technological innovation, discovery of untapped resources, etc.

Raising a minimum wage doesn't do any of this. Raising the minimum wage changes how the pie is split. Specifically, some people will make more money than they do now, some people will lose their jobs. Some products will become more expensive, and some will stay the same.

The people who benefit from raising the minimum wage are not the people that grow the pie. While they will have more disposable income, they tend to buy lower cost goods - goods that are increasingly produced in other countries.

At the same time, some of the current minimum wage folks would be unemployable at a higher wage. Those guys that can't even get your order straight at McDonald's? They are going to be first to go. Inner city teenagers trying to make some money and get work experience? Even higher unemployment than they currently face.

Frankly, they should bifurcate the minimum wage. If you had a different minimum wage for people under 21, I suspect you'd see a big decrease in teenage unemployment and a big spike in adult non-skilled unemployment.
 
2014-01-30 08:46:18 PM  

sdd2000: Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match

Costco wants educated rational customers and Walmart does not care?


One of the many universities here ranks in the top 25 for international recruitment. Pretty sure that counts as educated.
 
2014-01-30 08:47:24 PM  

Robo Beat: Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match

So Wal-Mart is there and Costco is not, huh?  Maybe your area is just full of poors.  Pretty sure there aren't any Costco stores in eastern Kentucky, either.


I live in a northeast state, not southern.
 
2014-01-30 10:24:50 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: I then then asked him what the company does if the employees decide they want a big screen tv instead of a vacuum cleaner their employer sells. The company would then be out the money, have increased weekly expenses, and be less likely to survive a recession.


Then the guy who sells big screen TVs will want to buy a vacuum cleaner.  Or maybe the TV guy's barber or waiter or somebody else down the line.

Even my local chamber of commerce has a buy local TV commercial using this argument.  The script is something like "Jim's dollar goes to Sue's local store store who uses it to buy from Bob's local store who uses that dollar to buy from Jane etc."
 
2014-01-31 06:52:04 AM  

gadian: I don't remember too many threads where office workers, biatching that everyone in their department got laid off but them and they were doing the job of 5 people, were told to shut up and stop whining because working hard was what they were supposed to do.  This thread is just another example of it being okay to shiat on lower paid hourly employees even when working conditions can be just as ridiculous.


That's a troubling trend I've noticed lately. "You! Peon! You're not supposed to have feelings! Shut up and do your job and be thankful your corporate overlords even saw fit to employ you!" Yeah, how dare they vent anonymously on the Internet while they're off the clock.

That said, I doubt the subject of TFA is an actual person. I suspect he's an illustration of the GOP's idea of the typical poor person being lazy and ungrateful.
 
2014-01-31 07:55:03 AM  

coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.


Multiply that by 3.  The perk of being an engineer is I get paid to theorize, but were still a start up so we don't mind putting in a little extra effort.  It'll be worth it in the long run.  Keep hating
 
2014-01-31 07:58:39 AM  

Funkyourdaughter: coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.

Multiply that by 3.  The perk of being an engineer is I get paid to theorize, but were still a start up so we don't mind putting in a little extra effort.  It'll be worth it in the long run.  Keep hating


Thanks for making my point, you dipsh*t. Keep derping, mongoloid.
 
2014-01-31 08:10:34 AM  

coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: coeyagi: Funkyourdaughter: I'm salaried, but I usually put in close to 55-60 hours a week.  I don't get overtime.  Be happy you have a job and get back to work.

I am sure you work that salaried position for $11.50.  Maybe $12.  No?  Oh, then maybe you should eat your f*cking apple and stick that orange up your ass.

Multiply that by 3.  The perk of being an engineer is I get paid to theorize, but were still a start up so we don't mind putting in a little extra effort.  It'll be worth it in the long run.  Keep hating

Thanks for making my point, you dipsh*t. Keep derping, mongoloid.


I've put in the work, so I'm sorry if some lazy ass thinks he deserves more for working some entry level retail job.  Especially since hes making way above minimum wage to begin with.
 
2014-01-31 09:59:10 AM  
I believe the President's point was that a retail chain company can pay more than minimum wage and still be profitable.

The store in question pays $11.50/hr (above minimum wage by a good margin) and appears to remain profitable (it's open, at least).

The employee in question is paid more than minimum wage.  WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

Oh, he doesn't like his job.  That doesn't in any way refute the fact that there are millions of other retail workers who are employed by other companies who also don't like their jobs (or do, it doesn't matter) and are being offered minimum wage or marginally more.  Nowhere near $11.50/hr.
 
2014-01-31 10:03:46 AM  

Funkyourdaughter: The perk of being an engineer is I get paid to theorize


The steep is that you get relegated into the works, and when you ask for a raise, rudely climbing past your stunned supervisors,  you're looking at high-paid plastic mannequins of indifference.

Then they tell you that you're acting scary.  There's no ladder awesome enough to climb out of that, you short-eyed false analyst.
 
2014-01-31 10:50:30 AM  

thamike: Funkyourdaughter: The perk of being an engineer is I get paid to theorize

The steep is that you get relegated into the works, and when you ask for a raise, rudely climbing past your stunned supervisors,  you're looking at high-paid plastic mannequins of indifference.

Then they tell you that you're acting scary.  There's no ladder awesome enough to climb out of that, you short-eyed false analyst.


Sounds like you need to find another company to work for.  I work for a company that pays for our benefits in full.  The CEO has a beer with us on Fridays at 3 and we bullshiat til 4.  Believe it or not, some companies have higher ups that treat people like co workers and not just employees.
 
2014-01-31 03:19:55 PM  
Bullseyed:

 Costco is a small, regional company.


Costco is an international company with locations across the United States, #22 on the Fortune 500 and has locations across the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Costco_USA_footprint_2010-08.png

But please don't let the facts get in the way of your argument -- which (ironically) seems to be motivated by butthurt from not having a Costco in your nearby area.
 
2014-01-31 03:30:58 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: Sounds like you need to find another company to work for.  I work for a company that pays for our benefits in full.  The CEO has a beer with us on Fridays at 3 and we bullshiat til 4.  Believe it or not, some companies have higher ups that treat people like co workers and not just employees.


Higher ups are supposed to treat you like coworkers, because you are, and "just employees" is something only the CEO might squeak in a moment of weakness, maybe during a fire or a hostage situation, or something.

 Yeah, I've done my share of start-ups. I'm going back to solid companies with security. Get back to me in six months, you optimist.
 
2014-01-31 03:48:51 PM  

SlothB77: OregonVet: That has to be the dumbest thing I read today.

I haven't commented on the story yet.


EVERYONE STOP THE PRESSES! THIS IS BREAKING NEWS!


Slothy just showed self-awareness.
 
2014-01-31 03:49:42 PM  

thamike: Funkyourdaughter: Sounds like you need to find another company to work for.  I work for a company that pays for our benefits in full.  The CEO has a beer with us on Fridays at 3 and we bullshiat til 4.  Believe it or not, some companies have higher ups that treat people like co workers and not just employees.

Higher ups are supposed to treat you like coworkers, because you are, and "just employees" is something only the CEO might squeak in a moment of weakness, maybe during a fire or a hostage situation, or something.

 Yeah, I've done my share of start-ups. I'm going back to solid companies with security. Get back to me in six months, you optimist.


It helps were being backed by Fujikura, and did $24M in revenue this year.  And its been 6 years...
 
2014-01-31 03:50:01 PM  

hasty ambush: Decisions, Decisions.

Do I believe "if you like your health plan you can keep it-period", "the most transparent administration in history" (despite stonewalling everything from Fast and furious to Food stamp data), "no lobbyist will be employed by my administration", shovel ready and green jobs President?

Or do I believe an anonymous source of information that contradicts the President's claims and by doing that makes the source racist?


You're boring. You bore me.
 
2014-01-31 04:04:28 PM  

Bullseyed: sdd2000: Bullseyed: If Costco is so successful and pays their employees more while maintaining this level of success, why isn't there one within 100s of miles of my house? Walmart has money to expand here.

/game, set, match

Costco wants educated rational customers and Walmart does not care?

One of the many universities here ranks in the top 25 for international recruitment. Pretty sure that counts as educated.


Judging by this and you comment about having an NFL and NHL team, plus an international airport, plus being in the north east, my first guess would be you live in or near Boston.

Doing some quick googling showed there are 7 Costco's within 30 miles of Boston, including one that is 3 miles away and four more that are 15 miles away.

On the other hand, you might also be talking about Buffalo, some quick googling revealed they are looking to open up a location near you.

Not that I blame them for waiting this long if that's true. It's Buffalo.
 
2014-01-31 04:06:52 PM  
grumpfuff:


Random side note, if you do in fact live in Buffalo, there are also several Costco's in Ontario that are all within 30 miles of Buffalo.
 
2014-01-31 04:15:04 PM  

Funkyourdaughter: thamike: Funkyourdaughter: Sounds like you need to find another company to work for.  I work for a company that pays for our benefits in full.  The CEO has a beer with us on Fridays at 3 and we bullshiat til 4.  Believe it or not, some companies have higher ups that treat people like co workers and not just employees.

Higher ups are supposed to treat you like coworkers, because you are, and "just employees" is something only the CEO might squeak in a moment of weakness, maybe during a fire or a hostage situation, or something.

 Yeah, I've done my share of start-ups. I'm going back to solid companies with security. Get back to me in six months, you optimist.

It helps were being backed by Fujikura, and did $24M in revenue this year.  And its been 6 years...


Okay. Try not to kill any stars.
 
2014-01-31 04:34:39 PM  

SphericalTime: What about a maximum wage? CEOs could only make 200x more than the lowest paid employee at a company. That mean that if your minimum wage is 30,000 dollars a year, your CEO is maxed out at 6 million. That would make the CEOs raise their starting salaries pretty quickly.


I have wondered about this too.  I have zero understanding of economic theory to know the pros and cons.  Anyone want to educate me?
 
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