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2014-01-29 08:50:47 PM
Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins
 
2014-01-29 10:42:16 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins


They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.
 
2014-01-29 10:44:41 PM

TuteTibiImperes: They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.


I learned a new word today.  And you are 100% correct.

/submitter
 
2014-01-29 11:40:02 PM

TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.


Ohhhh, ok!  I couldn't figure out what the f*ck TBOYF was talking about.
 
2014-01-29 11:41:10 PM
Fuq! Fuqqin China!  I bought a Motorola phone cuz I wanted to support the home team (Chicagoan). Google is buying office space in the city. I will be surprised if Lenovo keeps jobs here. Fuqqers.
 
2014-01-29 11:46:18 PM

jaytkay: Fuq! Fuqqin Fuqqers


That's more irritating than the filter.
 
2014-01-29 11:50:00 PM
Google wanted Motorola Mobility's patents.  They just happened to get a hardware manufacturing division along with their purchase.  I'm not surprised to see them selling off the hardware side while retaining the patents.

After Lenovo's recent purchase of IBM's x86 server division, I am surprised to see them in another major acquisition so quickly.
 
2014-01-30 12:07:12 AM

Dinjiin: Google wanted Motorola Mobility's patents.  They just happened to get a hardware manufacturing division along with their purchase.  I'm not surprised to see them selling off the hardware side while retaining the patents.

After Lenovo's recent purchase of IBM's x86 server division, I am surprised to see them in another major acquisition so quickly.


And yet Motorola has lost every patent lawsuit to date. So great strategy there.

/if Apple had done this - everyone would be calling for Cooks head
 
2014-01-30 12:09:25 AM
so patents aside, Google is taking a $9B bath on Motorola?
 
2014-01-30 12:32:48 AM

TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.


Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's
 
2014-01-30 12:33:45 AM

The Bestest: so patents aside, Google is taking a $9B bath on Motorola?


743M is all... and that is not even a concrete number. More like a wash.

http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-may-not-have-hurt-google-s-bo tt om-line-quite-badly-it-seems#comment-877956
 
2014-01-30 12:47:16 AM

Piizzadude: The Bestest: so patents aside, Google is taking a $9B bath on Motorola?

743M is all... and that is not even a concrete number. More like a wash.

http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-may-not-have-hurt-google-s-bo tt om-line-quite-badly-it-seems#comment-877956


yeah, I completely forgot about Google selling off cable boxes and modems/routers to Arris and didn't even know about the other stuff
 
2014-01-30 01:43:53 AM

Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's


Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.
 
2014-01-30 02:21:54 AM

wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. WeI


I am not really talking about tablets. Phones are harder and tablets are still coming into their own
 
2014-01-30 02:57:11 AM
I think Google did this to satisfy the device makers and also they got the patents, why hold on longer. The fact that moto was selling their phones so cheap because Google isn't interested in making money on hardware must have pissed off the OEMs. I have a nexus 5 and i didn't understand what they were trying with Motorola. Almost stock but not, sub par hardware to boot. Maybe in India, but not in America.
 
2014-01-30 04:00:32 AM
Lenotorolvo. Don't forget the car company.
 
2014-01-30 06:39:22 AM
I love hearing about this literally two days after I order a Moto X from their big sale on Monday. I know it shouldn't affect anything in the short term but I hope that it remains as well supported as I expected it to be back when it was still technically a google phone.

/arrives tomorrow. excited.
 
2014-01-30 06:45:30 AM
Before smartphones, Motorola did make some nice cellphones. I had the Motorola Pebl phone, which was light, worked well and had a nice style to it.
 
2014-01-30 08:19:11 AM

wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.


I would expect them to keep the tablets and go GPe on phones. Tablets are pretty straight forward to sell. Phones are a nightmare(especially in the US. See Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus) and Google would probably like nothing more than to get as much of that development off their table and just put their own software on finished phones so there's less investment to recoup.
 
2014-01-30 08:53:51 AM

bsharitt: wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.

I would expect them to keep the tablets and go GPe on phones. Tablets are pretty straight forward to sell. Phones are a nightmare(especially in the US. See Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus) and Google would probably like nothing more than to get as much of that development off their table and just put their own software on finished phones so there's less investment to recoup.


I don't see why they'd give up on phones, to be honest.  The Nexus 4 was so massively successful, they couldn't keep it in stock longer than a day for three months.  People were reselling them on eBay for almost twice their retail value.
 
2014-01-30 09:08:17 AM
Here's hoping they bring some of the design from the Moto X into the next version of the Android OS.  I would totally have gotten one if my contract were up for renewal.
 
2014-01-30 09:26:57 AM
Hopefully they keep up the quality, because I love my Razr maxx which has never run out of battery on me even after long days of heavy usage.
 
2014-01-30 09:32:37 AM
Something overlooked in almost every article in US media. Lenovo is already a large smartphone manufacturer.

I love my Lenovo K900. It's thinner than pretty much everything else, and is pretty awesome.

What wasn't overlooked is that the margins in the smartphone market are dropping just like the PC business, and Lenovo has kicked ass with high quality devices in that space while making money.

Samsung should be scared. They finally have a large successful company to fight the android space. Should be fun.
 
2014-01-30 09:35:50 AM
Moto was my first employer out of college.  They've already sold off the Home division to Arris so once they sell the Mobile division to Lenovo that will be it for Moto.

Chris Galvin sucked as CEO.  He's the stereotype of the heirs of corporate leadership.  The third generation always pisses everything away.
 
2014-01-30 09:49:31 AM
Here's a funny thing about working at Motorola in the late 90s.  The CEO would send these company-wide emails that were supposed to be a pep talk, but pretty much highlighted how out of touch he was with both the employees and the business.

He would puff up whatever new hot technology we were marketing by working it into whatever he was doing.  So on a Thursday afternoon after already putting in 50 hours for the week you would read "fresh powder at Deer Valley today!  Fortunately, I had my Motorola Iridium satellite phone so I could make dinner reservations from the lodge" or "beautiful day at the Maui Regatta!  Can't wait to get back to the resort and enjoy the famous seafood!  I'm glad I had my Motorola Star Tac 1 to call our jai lai team in Miami!  Great work, Pedro!"

It was a little tone deaf when your wage slaves are putting up all nighters on another ill-conceived product and you only seem to communicate to them your vacation and dinner plans.
 
2014-01-30 09:56:59 AM
Lenovo Group said on Wednesday it agreed to buy Google Inc's Motorola handset division for $2.91 billion

Google paid $12.5 billion for Motorola in 2012


Now I'm no Jimmy Buffett, but I thought that you were supposed to buy low and sell high.
 
2014-01-30 10:30:50 AM

tricycleracer: Lenovo Group said on Wednesday it agreed to buy Google Inc's Motorola handset division for $2.91 billion

Google paid $12.5 billion for Motorola in 2012

Now I'm no Jimmy Buffett, but I thought that you were supposed to buy low and sell high.


Except they didn't buy and sell the same thing.

They already sold off part of Motorola. They pulled a pile of cash out of Motorola. And they kept Motorola's patents.

They may have lost money in the deal, but you can't compare the $12.5 Billion to the $2.9 Billion.
 
2014-01-30 11:19:40 AM
Nest is worth more than Motorola Mobility.

Ponder that for a while.
 
2014-01-30 11:38:30 AM

BullBearMS: Nest is worth more than Motorola Mobility.

Ponder that for a while.


Correction:  Nest, with all of its IP and infrastructure, is worth more than Motorola Mobility AFTER having been stripped of its IP, manufacturing, etc.
 
2014-01-30 11:44:31 AM
Android Central has a better breakdown of the math that tally's up the previous sale of the Motorola Home division to Arris, the financing, etc.:
http://www.androidcentral.com/motorola-may-not-have-hurt-google-s-bo tt om-line-quite-badly-it-seems

The net takeaway there is that Google's actual "sunk" cost, not counting the value of assets acquired and still retained is actually only around $739million


I made the analogy to some friends that this whole multi-year deal was like the original plan for the end of Django Unchained, before moral fortitude overruled pragmatism and people started getting shot.  The thought was that nobody could just ride into Candieland and buy one minor slave - the egos involved vs. the "small potatoes" of the deal would make things impractical.  Instead, there was an elaborate con put in place to win Hildie's freedom as a side-portion of some larger deal regarding a fighter.  Google basically did the same thing here and moved around tens of billions of dollars, broke up and sold billion-dollar companies, etc. all to net themselves the one thing that nobody would sell them directly: $5.5 Billion worth of patents.
 
2014-01-30 12:35:49 PM

Herbie555: $5.5 Billion worth of patents


What did Google get out of their $5.5 Billion attempt to use FRAND encumbered patents as a weapon against their competitors?

Antitrust action in the EU for misusing FRAND encumbered patents. The standard penalty for which is ten percent of the companies profits.

Court rulings that make clear that the FRAND encumbered Motorola patents are pretty nearly worthless in comparison to what Google paid for them.

The Motorola purchase was Andy Rubin's idea, and he was quickly removed from his executive position soon after it became obvious what an expensive mistake this was.

They didn't just overpay for the patents. They opened themselves up for a huge fine in the EU to boot.
 
2014-01-30 03:39:36 PM

HeartBurnKid: bsharitt: wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.

I would expect them to keep the tablets and go GPe on phones. Tablets are pretty straight forward to sell. Phones are a nightmare(especially in the US. See Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus) and Google would probably like nothing more than to get as much of that development off their table and just put their own software on finished phones so there's less investment to recoup.

I don't see why they'd give up on phones, to be honest.  The Nexus 4 was so massively successful, they couldn't keep it in stock longer than a day for three months.  People were reselling them on eBay for almost twice their retail value.


If I make 5 phones and sell 10 I am gonna be on backorder too. The Nexus 4 sold roughly 1.5M (as per the detectives on XDA) and maybe the Nexus 5 sold 2.5-3.5M.

That not a success by any means
 
2014-01-30 06:01:08 PM

Piizzadude: HeartBurnKid: bsharitt: wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.

I would expect them to keep the tablets and go GPe on phones. Tablets are pretty straight forward to sell. Phones are a nightmare(especially in the US. See Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus) and Google would probably like nothing more than to get as much of that development off their table and just put their own software on finished phones so there's less investment to recoup.

I don't see why they'd give up on phones, to be honest.  The Nexus 4 was so massively successful, they couldn't keep it in stock longer than a day for three months.  People were reselling them on eBay for almost twice their retail value.

If I make 5 phones and sell 10 I am gonna be on backorder too. The Nexus 4 sold roughly 1.5M (as per the detectives on XDA) and maybe the Nexus 5 sold 2.5-3.5M.

That not a success by any means


It was apparently a bigger success than Google expected it to be.
 
2014-01-30 07:47:21 PM

Piizzadude: HeartBurnKid: bsharitt: wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.

I would expect them to keep the tablets and go GPe on phones. Tablets are pretty straight forward to sell. Phones are a nightmare(especially in the US. See Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus) and Google would probably like nothing more than to get as much of that development off their table and just put their own software on finished phones so there's less investment to recoup.

I don't see why they'd give up on phones, to be honest.  The Nexus 4 was so massively successful, they couldn't keep it in stock longer than a day for three months.  People were reselling them on eBay for almost twice their retail value.

If I make 5 phones and sell 10 I am gonna be on backorder too. The Nexus 4 sold roughly 1.5M (as per the detectives on XDA) and maybe the Nexus 5 sold 2.5-3.5M.

That not a success by any means


It's pretty impressive given the way they sold them.  Online only, no carrier backing, and full price up front.  Most people in the US are used to paying $0-$199 for their phone with a two year contract extension, asking them to pay twice that with no option to subsidize it over time took guts.
 
2014-01-30 07:52:09 PM
Motororra.
 
2014-01-30 07:58:31 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: HeartBurnKid: bsharitt: wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.

I would expect them to keep the tablets and go GPe on phones. Tablets are pretty straight forward to sell. Phones are a nightmare(especially in the US. See Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus) and Google would probably like nothing more than to get as much of that development off their table and just put their own software on finished phones so there's less investment to recoup.

I don't see why they'd give up on phones, to be honest.  The Nexus 4 was so massively successful, they couldn't keep it in stock longer than a day for three months.  People were reselling them on eBay for almost twice their retail value.

If I make 5 phones and sell 10 I am gonna be on backorder too. The Nexus 4 sold roughly 1.5M (as per the detectives on XDA) and maybe the Nexus 5 sold 2.5-3.5M.

That not a success by any means

It's pretty impressive given the way they sold them.  Online only, no carrier backing, and full price up front.  Most people in the US are used to paying $0-$199 for their phone with a two year contract extension, asking them to pay twice that with no option to subsidize it over time took guts.


Considering the Note 3 sold more combined in a month, not a success

Most of the Nexus phones have been supported by more than one carrier, sold in carrier stores, and recently in BB as well.

So no, not a success.
 
2014-01-30 08:57:57 PM

Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: Piizzadude: HeartBurnKid: bsharitt: wholedamnshow: Piizzadude: TuteTibiImperes: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Stay classy, subby.

/you too, admins

They're just portmanteaus of Motorola and Lenovo, not pot shots at the tendency of certain native speakers of Asian languages to mix up Ls and Rs, which is what I'm guessing you took offense to.

The deal makes sense, Google is already gaining traction with their Nexus branded devices, they don't need a second brand name.  If I'm going to buy a phone from Google I'd want the Nexus anyway so that I can avoid any of the manufacturer or carrier crapware or skins.

Except the rumors are strong that they dump the Nexus in favor of GPe's

Except that rumors are just that. Rumors. The Nexus 7 has been very successful. The Moto X, despite being a fantastic device, not so much. We will wait and see, but seems doubtful to me.

I would expect them to keep the tablets and go GPe on phones. Tablets are pretty straight forward to sell. Phones are a nightmare(especially in the US. See Verizon and Sprint Galaxy Nexus) and Google would probably like nothing more than to get as much of that development off their table and just put their own software on finished phones so there's less investment to recoup.

I don't see why they'd give up on phones, to be honest.  The Nexus 4 was so massively successful, they couldn't keep it in stock longer than a day for three months.  People were reselling them on eBay for almost twice their retail value.

If I make 5 phones and sell 10 I am gonna be on backorder too. The Nexus 4 sold roughly 1.5M (as per the detectives on XDA) and maybe the Nexus 5 sold 2.5-3.5M.

That not a success by any means

It's pretty impressive given the way they sold them.  Online only, no carrier backing, and full price up front.  Most people in the US are used to paying $0-$199 for their phone with a two year contract extension, asking them to pay twice that with no option to subsidize it over time took guts.

Consi ...


Selling as many as you make has to be considered a success on some level.  Google doesn't really advertise the Nexus line, and I'm not sure they're trying to become a major handset provider anyway.  I appreciate that they're doing it, and if I were to buy an Android phone the Nexus 5 would be very tempting (the specs on the 4 were a bit underwhelming, no LTE, and no 1080p resolution).

Right now I'm toying with the idea of replacing my Lumia 920.  I love the phone, but I use Google Voice a lot, and Google has never made a Windows Phone app for it.  It hasn't been a problem up to this point because there's an excellent third party app called MetroTalk that does the job well.  Unfortunately, Google has decided to ban all third party Google Voice apps starting in May, so while I'll still be able to receive calls on the Google voice line, I believe I'll lose access to my voicemails and the ability to make calls from the Google Voice number on my phone, unless Google completely changes their position and actually starts supporting Windows Phone like they do Android and iOS.

Part of me doesn't want to turn around and buy an Android and thus reward Google for their actions, but Apple won't release a new iPhone until the fall, and even then there's no guarantee they'll make something with a big enough screen to satisfy me.

Since I can't get the upgrade price for a new phone until December, I've been toying with the idea of just buying a Google Play Edition Moto G.  For $200 it looks to be a pretty decent, if slightly underpowered, device, and it would be enough to hold me over from May through December when I can get something good.  The lack of LTE is a big drawback though.
 
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