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(Reuters)   U.S. intelligence head wants Snowden, 'accomplices' to return documents. Oh wait, you're serious, let me laugh even harder   (reuters.com) divider line 89
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2014-01-29 04:14:28 PM
Sure.  Just as soon as we've made tens of thousands of copies of each and posted them all over the intarwebs.  Then you can have them back.
 
2014-01-29 04:40:50 PM
someone doesn't know how electronic copies work.
 
2014-01-29 04:44:30 PM
At a hearing where the heads of five U.S. intelligence agencies ratcheted up rhetoric calling Snowden a "grave threat" to the nation

He's a threat to the NSA budget is what he is.
 
2014-01-29 04:54:56 PM

Marcus Aurelius: At a hearing where the heads of five U.S. intelligence agencies ratcheted up rhetoric calling Snowden a "grave threat" to the nation

He's a threat to the NSA budget is what he is.


This.

And don't they get that the more they try to demonize him, the more people are going to believe his intentions are legit? Bradley Chelsea Manning? Not one shiat was given, other than a few pressers. People mostly took that as a sign that most of what he released was inconsequential shiat and stopped giving a fark about him.

Edward Snowden? The NSA is basically wanting everything short of ordering a drone attack on him. People actually give a shiat about that and figure that he must have some REALLY serious shiat if they want him dead or seriously discredited.

Hey NSA: if you want this shiat to disappear, STOP PAYING ATTENTION TO HIM.

Hey Edward: DUMP SOME OF THE REALLY JUICY shiat!
 
2014-01-29 05:41:20 PM

ManateeGag: someone doesn't know how electronic copies work.


you wouldnt electronic copy a car
 
2014-01-29 08:15:09 PM
And I want Clapper in a jail cell for lying before Congress. Sometimes you don't get what you want.
 
2014-01-29 08:19:15 PM
"Accomplices"?
The Supremes disagree.

/Go sniff your own sweaty taint, DIRNSA, you pustulent oath-breaker.
 
2014-01-29 08:23:07 PM

Marcus Aurelius: At a hearing where the heads of five U.S. intelligence agencies ratcheted up rhetoric calling Snowden a "grave threat" to the nation

He's a threat to the NSA budget is what he is.


You act like those aren't the same thing to pants-shiatting cowards.
 
2014-01-29 08:23:38 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: "Accomplices"?
The Supremes disagree.

/Go sniff your own sweaty taint, DIRNSA, you pustulent oath-breaker.


Pentagon Papers?

*clicks*

Ayup. Go pound sand, dickbag.
 
2014-01-29 08:30:46 PM
Again, the NSA doesn't really seem to have a grasp of what's going here, that the cat is out of the bag, and they are the ones--for once--who are in the compromising position.

There's no farking way in Hell Snowden is going to cooperate.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't go into Russia and bring him back.
 
2014-01-29 08:32:02 PM

ManateeGag: someone doesn't know how electronic copies work.


I just emailed mine back to them, it's all good now.
 
2014-01-29 08:40:55 PM
Let him live in Russia.  That will suck.
 
2014-01-29 08:42:10 PM

Kit Fister: Hey Edward: DUMP SOME OF THE REALLY JUICY shiat!


The "really juicy sh*t" is probably locked behind a dead man's switch, and won't get released until or unless Snowden is disappeared and/or suicided. It may also double as a sort of life insurance policy -- as long as he still draws breath as a (relatively) free man, that stuff stays under wraps and nobody who doesn't already know what it is will learn what it is; but if he gets compromised, those secrets become as "secret" as the fact that the NSA can cyberstalk and is cyberstalking every man, woman and child in the US who has access to any sort of electronic communications device.
 
2014-01-29 08:43:57 PM

Kit Fister: Edward Snowden? The NSA is basically wanting everything short of ordering a drone attack on him. People actually give a shiat about that and figure that he must have some REALLY serious shiat if they want him dead or seriously discredited.


To add to your 'this':

Or they don't know what he took so they don't know what to deny.  They NSA head already was caught saying, "we weren't collecting information from domestic sources" only to be proven a liar a couple days later.
 
2014-01-29 08:44:10 PM
Now you're all starting to sound like 'accomplices'.
 
2014-01-29 08:44:46 PM

rnld: Let him live in Russia.  That will suck.


The alternative is the PFC Manning treatment. That would suck more.
 
2014-01-29 08:46:18 PM

Barfmaker: I just emailed mine back to them, it's all good now.


So I don't need to e-mail them my copy?
 
2014-01-29 08:47:17 PM

Kit Fister: Hey Edward: DUMP SOME OF THE REALLY JUICY shiat!


He has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0w36GAyZIA

Watch that video.  Takes about an hour, and it summarizes the technical capability of what the NSA can do, and does do, based upon the documents Snowden leaked.

You will be both amazed at the technical capabilities and the subtlety, and appalled that any governmental organization could have that much power.  It makes the capability theorized in the film "Enemy of the State" look amateurish.

/Some NSFW language.
 
2014-01-29 08:48:03 PM
Yeah how about they do that right after all the top brass at the NSA turn in their resignations.
 
2014-01-29 08:48:04 PM

King Something: rnld: Let him live in Russia.  That will suck.

The alternative is the PFC Manning treatment. That would suck more.


I say it's more of a toss up.
 
2014-01-29 08:50:34 PM

sprawl15: ManateeGag: someone doesn't know how electronic copies work.

you wouldnt electronic copy a car


fark you, I would if I could.
 
2014-01-29 08:50:53 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-29 08:51:07 PM

whidbey: Again, the NSA doesn't really seem to have a grasp of what's going here, that the cat is out of the bag, and they are the ones--for once--who are in the compromising position.

There's no farking way in Hell Snowden is going to cooperate.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't go into Russia and bring him back.


I think you mean to say you wouldn't be surprised if they did. But that is IMO extremely unlikely in the short term. Snowden is a very, very public figure right now and if anything untoward happens to him, the US govt will without doubt be tried & convicted in the court of public opinion and opponents of spying programs will have a martyr - whether the US govt was in fact involved or not. The immediate and assured public backlash, and the known existence of insurance.gpg or something similar, guarantee that no US agency will make a move on him.

Now in the longer term when the fracas fades... Well, if I were Snowden I'd stay away from small airplanes, let's put it that way.
 
2014-01-29 08:54:36 PM

Mrtraveler01: King Something: rnld: Let him live in Russia.  That will suck.

The alternative is the PFC Manning treatment. That would suck more.

I say it's more of a toss up.


He currently has mostly-full control over what time of day he eats his meals, and of their contents. In all likelihood, he also isn't forced to wear a blindfold, thick mittens and airport earmuffs a la Jose Padilla; and isn't forced to stand and listen to loud metal music all night when he's sleepy. And he has a slightly lower chance of being waterboarded in a Moscow slum than there is in an American prison.

If it's a toss up, the coin is weighted.
 
2014-01-29 08:55:06 PM

fusillade762: demaL-demaL-yeH: "Accomplices"?
The Supremes disagree.

/Go sniff your own sweaty taint, DIRNSA, you pustulent oath-breaker.

Pentagon Papers?

*clicks*

Ayup. Go pound sand, dickbag.


Agreed.

# S&.
 
2014-01-29 08:55:29 PM

King Something: Kit Fister: Hey Edward: DUMP SOME OF THE REALLY JUICY shiat!

The "really juicy sh*t" is probably locked behind a dead man's switch, and won't get released until or unless Snowden is disappeared and/or suicided. It may also double as a sort of life insurance policy -- as long as he still draws breath as a (relatively) free man, that stuff stays under wraps and nobody who doesn't already know what it is will learn what it is; but if he gets compromised, those secrets become as "secret" as the fact that the NSA can cyberstalk and is cyberstalking every man, woman and child in the US who has access to any sort of electronic communications device.


No he has stated publicly that there is no dead man's switch on that BECAUSE there are those who would very much like all that data leaked and would kill him to make that happen.

It would be like getting life insurance payable to those who want you dead.

rnld: Let him live in Russia.  That will suck.


No man deserves that fate.
 
2014-01-29 08:57:08 PM

Marcus Aurelius: At a hearing where the heads of five U.S. intelligence agencies ratcheted up rhetoric calling Snowden a "grave threat" to the nation

He's a threat to the NSA budget is what he is.



I was listening to this hearing today on C-Span and it literally made my stomach turn. These clowns were saying that Snowden was going to be - no doubt through some tortured Rube Goldberg machine of logic - responsible for making American soldiers more vulnerable on the battlefield, so more of them would die in battle because of him.  So we're supposed to believe that Snowden revealing clandestine spying of our government against its own citizens is going to make body armor weaker or enemies shoot straighter or something?

And then the Senators were practically tripping over one another to get a chance to slobber all over these asshats and call Snowden a traitor. Fark all of them. These out of control intelligence agencies and their boot-licking sycophants in the Senate are more of a threat to the future of our country then any sand-punching asshole terrorist could ever be.
 
2014-01-29 08:57:27 PM

King Something: Mrtraveler01: King Something: rnld: Let him live in Russia.  That will suck.

The alternative is the PFC Manning treatment. That would suck more.

I say it's more of a toss up.

He currently has mostly-full control over what time of day he eats his meals, and of their contents. In all likelihood, he also isn't forced to wear a blindfold, thick mittens and airport earmuffs a la Jose Padilla; and isn't forced to stand and listen to loud metal music all night when he's sleepy. And he has a slightly lower chance of being waterboarded in a Moscow slum than there is in an American prison.

If it's a toss up, the coin is weighted.


Eh, it was more of a dig at Russia than anything else.
 
2014-01-29 08:58:59 PM
www.27bslash6.com
 
2014-01-29 09:03:49 PM

mongbiohazard: Fark all of them. These out of control intelligence agencies and their boot-licking sycophants in the Senate are more of a threat to the future of our country then any sand-punching asshole terrorist could ever be.


this
 
2014-01-29 09:05:09 PM

Hector Remarkable: Now you're all starting to sound like 'accomplices'.


good.
 
2014-01-29 09:14:32 PM
"U.S. intelligence head wants Snowden, 'accomplices' to return documents "

People in Hell want ice water.
 
2014-01-29 09:16:18 PM
Ok fine, sheesh here they are I'll send them over.

c:\NSA_FILES\mr_magoriums_wonder_emporium.avi
 
2014-01-29 09:17:45 PM

blasterz: [www.27bslash6.com image 200x150]


Thank you for making my crappy day end on a happy note. Teehee.
 
2014-01-29 09:25:36 PM
Aren't we forgetting a little something called "please," Director Clapper?
 
2014-01-29 09:37:31 PM
I would send them a stack of Hello Kitty books

And one copy of this

www.soldiers-of-light.org
 
2014-01-29 09:39:04 PM

mongbiohazard: So we're supposed to believe that Snowden revealing clandestine spying of our government against its own citizens is going to make body armor weaker or enemies shoot straighter or something?


No. We're supposed to believe that Snowden revealing clandestine spying techniques of our government against other governments and organizations is going to make our enemies better prepared to fight us.

Snowden took everything he could get, not just domestic intelligence information.
He could have released just the information related to domestic spying, and been a hero.

Instead he fled to China then Russia with stuff that could actually aid our enemies.
And now he's threatening to release it if his demands aren't met.
How does this help?
 
2014-01-29 10:00:21 PM
If we got what we wanted, Director Clapper, you'd be pulling more trains than Amtrak right about now.
 
2014-01-29 10:03:44 PM

pueblonative: If we got what we wanted, Director Clapper, you'd be pulling more trains than Amtrak right about now.


Do you really think this is the proper forum for your sexual fantasies?
 
2014-01-29 10:07:35 PM

Without Fail: pueblonative: If we got what we wanted, Director Clapper, you'd be pulling more trains than Amtrak right about now.

Do you really think this is the proper forum for your sexual fantasies?


Well, if you're going to knob polish a perjuorer. . .
 
2014-01-29 10:09:16 PM

rnld: Let him live in Russia.  That will suck.


I did live in Russia for 4 1/2 years. Conditions did suck much of the time, the people more than made up for the conditions and I found that they have a LOT more personal freedom than we are "permitted" to enjoy. If it weren't for their governments backwards attitude on personal firearms I would be happy to go back.

By the way, Snowden's "accomplices" are giving the documents back, one at a time as fast as they can read and publish them.
 
2014-01-29 10:10:39 PM

vudukungfu: mongbiohazard: Fark all of them. These out of control intelligence agencies and their boot-licking sycophants in the Senate are more of a threat to the future of our country then any sand-punching asshole terrorist could ever be.

this


Yup, fuk them hard with a rusty spoon.  Clapper wants to treat journalists as spies and Snowden's the grave threat? I beg to differ.
 
2014-01-29 10:13:42 PM

pueblonative: Well, if you're going to knob polish a perjuorer. . .


Do you really think this is the proper forum for your sexual fantasies?
 
2014-01-29 10:14:28 PM
This thread is evidence that the US government and the people are at war.
 
2014-01-29 10:21:14 PM

Without Fail: pueblonative: Well, if you're going to knob polish a perjuorer. . .

Do you really think this is the proper forum for your sexual fantasies?


7/10 for the bite.
 
2014-01-29 11:26:49 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: The Supremes disagree


I spy with my little eye someone who doesn't understand the holding in that case.
 
2014-01-29 11:38:55 PM

Kit Fister: Hey Edward: DUMP SOME OF THE REALLY JUICY shiat!


Apparently you missed this very-interesting letter from the other NSA whistleblowers earlier this month. THIS is the "really juicy" stuff, and the final piece to the puzzle.

I never could reconcile how the farking NSA could be so... pathetically amateur that Snowden's activities were even possible. This is the agency that basically defined the concept of "need to know" as we've know it today. This is the agency that was always so paranoid about maintaining separate, compartmentalized data, real air gaps, red-wire/black-wire separation in electronics. They were the only freaking reason we made the 100baseFX (fibre optic - so you can't inductively couple to the network through the wall) variant of ethernet crossbar switches and the primary customer of our earlier Serial HIPPI SBus cards.

With security paranoia that tight, Snowden should have only been able to find a TINY fraction of those documents. This has always been a paradox to me. These amateurs that let him even have access to 50k sensitive documents didn't look like those "mysterious" orders for our hardware from "no such agency" on a military base in Maryland.

Of course, you *could* reconcile this if all those people from the "old" NSA were replaced, as Binney/Drake/etc describe in this letter. Instead of people that cared about spying, we got people that were more interested in moving money to their contractor friends. So it makes sense now... even if it is yet more proof that we REALLY should have listened to Eisenhower's warning.

/*sigh*
//oh, juicy bits? they're in there...
 
2014-01-29 11:39:36 PM

sprgrss: demaL-demaL-yeH: The Supremes disagree

I spy with my little eye someone who doesn't understand the holding in that case.


I see somebody didn't read even the FIRST FARKING SENTENCE of TFA:
"The top U.S. intelligence official called on Wednesday for Edward Snowden and journalists who obtained documents the former contractor took without authorization from the National Security Agency to return the materials to authorities."

The case was about prior restraint.
/I even read the dissenting opinions.
//Maybe you should have your eyes examined.
///DIRNSA is an oath-breaking douchebag.
 
2014-01-29 11:44:22 PM

pdkl95: Of course, you *could* reconcile this if all those people from the "old" NSA were replaced, as Binney/Drake/etc describe in this letter. Instead of people that cared about spying, we got people that were more interested in moving money to their contractor friends. So it makes sense now... even if it is yet more proof that we REALLY should have listened to Eisenhower's warning.

/*sigh*
//oh, juicy bits? they're in there...


Don't you dare start saying that the trough opened just recently. I still have farking nightmares about utter crap foisted on US by DoD contractors decades ago.
 
2014-01-29 11:46:58 PM
calling Snowden a "grave threat" to the nation


The only "grave threat" to the nation are the people calling Snowden a grave threat.
 
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