Publikwerks: Which is why he should come home and face the people he helped in a jury trial
Publikwerks: Snowden blew the whistle on a government he knew was overstepping its bounds. And god knows how much harm has already been done by their zeal, hypocrisy and violation of other people's rights.Which is why he should come home and face the people he helped in a jury trial
whidbey: Snowden blew the whistle on a government he knew was overstepping its bounds.
SirEattonHogg: So, you can't discern the difference between a private citizen who writes political articles critical of a government but neither works for the government nor has access to any sensitive information versus a person who signed a confidentiality agreement with his employer (a government), had access to a lot of state secrets and then fled to various foreign countries revealing sensitive state secrets along the way.Okay, that makes sense.
Lsherm: whidbey: Snowden blew the whistle on a government he knew was overstepping its bounds.You blow the whistle after finding a wrongdoing, attempting to fix it, and then going public when your complaints fall on deaf ears. You don't set out to find wrongdoing, skip step two, and then claim victimhood at step three and get to call yourself a whistleblower, nor a "victim" for that matter.
cowgirl toffee: xanadian: oren0: Hard Nard: brantgoose: .../no, but seriously, there's no way Snowden escapes martyr status of the US gets his hands on himSnowden is going to die of heavy metals poison when he's accidentally poked with an umbrella or a fountain pen.
smoky2010: I can't wait until that little prick gets "Rosenburged".\Thats what you do to traitors
dbaggins: Whether you like Snowden, I think everyone from all parts of the political spectrum can agree that Clapper needs to be put in jail. He is either in a conspiracy to subvert the constitution with elements in the Whitehouse, or he has lied to his superiors and violated the law of his own accord.
vudukungfu: dbaggins: Whether you like Snowden, I think everyone from all parts of the political spectrum can agree that Clapper needs to be put in jail. He is either in a conspiracy to subvert the constitution with elements in the Whitehouse, or he has lied to his superiors and violated the law of his own accord.yep
Bith Set Me Up: Snowden didn't reveal anything anyone with a functioning brain stem knew since at least 2006.
MrEricSir: Everyone in the House Intelligence Committee should stand trial for treason.
whidbey: t's cute you think this is an open and shut, cut and dried matter, and that there shouldn't be any protections in place for someone who basically showed the world the hypocritical kind of bullshiat our government is doing.
RanDomino: You're the one who's unwilling to accept the reality of the situation, which is that these security agencies are profoundly and fundamentally evil. I'm constantly amazed by the mental prowess people show in this feat of forcing themselves to ignore what is staring them plainly in the face.
FormlessOne: but also the industrial espionage Snowden alluded to a couple of weeks ago
Lsherm: I already outlined two steps he skipped.
vodka: not sure how he promoted peace... If anything he stirred the pot
sendtodave: smoky2010: sendtodave: SirEattonHogg: TheWhoppah: wee: ManateeGag: He deserves it just as much as Obama did.More than Obama. Snowden actually did something.Giving the award to Obama was a gesture to recognize the citizen voters of the United States... to recognize our collective ability to see the fear mongering GOP asswipes for who they really were and reject their "bomb bomb Iran" preemptive-war policies. We elected, as our president, a man named Barack Hussein Obama just a few years after falling hook-line-and-sinker for the GOP/FoxNews lie machine regarding another man named Hussein. I'm sure it took brass balls for Obama to even consider running for president but this award was for the everyday Americans that stood in line to vote for him.Probably the dumbest post on Fark today. Good jerb.This. A gesture to the voters of the US? Get the f--k out of here.It was a plain and simple "f--k you" to Dubya. I didn't like Bush, but it was akin to Europeans constantly whining about America this and that during the entire two terms of George Bush. I don't think the American public needs a pat on the head from the Nobel Prize Committee for how it votes or condemnation either.They think we do.Have you ever met an actual European? When you tell them you are from America, they start speaking slowly and simply, because they assume you are a child."That's good, American Johnny! You finally learned that voting for Republican is wrong! Oh, no, maybe not, you just allowed them to shut down your government. Keep trying, Johnny!"They just know that they are the real adults in the room.So, democrats are adults and republicans children.. what about unaffiliated voters? I assume we are the group standing in the corner watching the adults and children try to one-up each other, laughing.No, Europeans are adults and Americans are children. This is obvious to them, based on the stupidity of those who we elect.Good guess though! Keep practicing, Johnny!
jshine: whidbey: OH THE HUMANITY I MISS CHEESEBURGERS!"
Finger51: Rent Party: He is no different than the asshole that let Valerie Plame's status be known.Scooter Libby?Rent Party: He effectively broke into your house, stole your filing cabinet and then pulled out that "questionable" tax return and declared you a tax evader.I guess I don't see it that way. Him stealing my docs and declaring me a tax evader is a pretty huge stretch. My tax evasion doesn't equate to the US government spying on citizens, shiatting on the 4th, and absolutely destroying high levels of trust amongst our allies (Merkel et al)nope. not even close.
Lusiphur: You mean Angela "I totally swear I'm not a spy for the nazi party no matter what evidence you have" Merkel? You know, I've spoken to quite a few Germans about this recently, and most of them aren't terribly upset by the NSA tapping of her phone, and think it was probably deserved.
RanDomino: Would that be the same 'collective of millions' that gave us this gem?
EdgeRunner: Evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force may sometimes be necessary is not a call to cynicism -- it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason.
ISO15693: The tragedy of all of this is that there are thousands upon thousands of "good" people, doing their best to be honest and trustworthy, and doing their best to protect not only their own families, or even just the families of their own countrymen, but people doing their best to protect everyone -who had access to the same information, and realized that the best choice would be to protect that information in the best interests of everyone - the tragedy is that Snowden undermined all of their efforts, for his own misguided sense of idealism. He betrayed the trust of many, many, MANY "good" people doing their best to do "good" things for "good" reasons while forced to make extremely difficult sacrifices and choices to reach those "good" goals.
EdgeRunner: Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force may sometimes be necessary is not a call to cynicism -- it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason.
dbaggins: For any one Snowden, there are probably 40 slimy Booz-Allen-Hamilton rats that are *selling* their intelligence on the black market.and nobody will touch them, since Booz-Allen-Hamilton probably has dirt on everyone.They all want Snowden gone and off the radar before people start to wise up.
Joe USer: EdgeRunner: Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force may sometimes be necessary is not a call to cynicism -- it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason.Going off topic, but what do you, personally, think AL Qaeda wants from us?
xanadian: oren0: Hard Nard: brantgoose: Lookit tha funny man, Momma, his head assploded!Come away, dear. That man's just a conservative. The cognitive dissonance of supporting law and order politics while hating and distrusting the government police state just became too much for his skull. When he tried to believe that the cops are never wrong and that the cops think of him as a terrorist at the same time, his brain just self-destructed in self-defence.Conservative here, and I am a supporter of Snowden. Whether he wins the Nobel or not you have to admire a person who is willing to put his life, and maybe even the lives of his family and friends, to bring what he considers a violation of peoples rights into the light.+1. In theory, anyone that supports liberty and a smaller government should applaud Snowden's actions. In practice, it seems that ordinary people across the political spectrum support Snowden, and politicians across the spectrum want him arrested and tried.I liken it to the difference between the "correct" thing to do (obey the law) and the "right" thing to do (stick your neck out for other people's rights). I don't think anyone on FARK knows the full breadth of what Snowden did or what the ultimate consequences will be on the world stage, so it's hard to judge fairly if what he did was "right" or not. It sure the fark wasn't correct.Personally, I wouldn't be saddened if he was arrested, tried and convicted. If they strike him down, he shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine./no, but seriously, there's no way Snowden escapes martyr status of the US gets his hands on him
wee: Anyone mentioned all the drone strikes yet? How abut the ones that killed U.S. citizens with zero due process whatsoever? Anyone mention that? What about the people in gitmo that still haven't had charges filed against them? Anyone mentioned a campaign promise from 2007 yet?
ISO15693: the tragedy is that Snowden undermined all of their efforts, for his own misguided sense of idealism. He betrayed the trust of many, many, MANY "good" people doing their best to do "good" things for "good" reasons while forced to make extremely difficult sacrifices and choices to reach those "good" goals.
RanDomino: The fact that we are still farking around the world stage is an indication of a much bigger problem than a cautious President.Again with the assumption that Obama really truly means well but has his hands tied by The System.Things make much more sense when you realize that the moderate-conservative Democrats like him and the Clintons really truly are more acolytes of Reagan than people like you prefer to believe. I mean, god damn, how can a person look at Obama calling Showden a criminal for releasing this important information which will endanger agents and vital security efforts, but which has no effect on the security agencies, and everything the agencies have been doing is legal, but we're going to review it and make changes, but those reviews have nothing to do with Snowden or the leaks, and not feel physically disgusted?
whidbey: Imagine if an Al Qaeda operative had done it.
Mouser: By that same logic, Julius and Ethel Rosenberg should be awarded one for ending the US monopoly on nuclear weapons.
Headso: smoky2010: In hindsight, seeing what a crappy president Obama is, I'd take 4 more years of Dubya.how old are you?
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