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2014-01-29 05:43:27 PM  

Stinkyy: smoky2010: Stinkyy: Wow, can we get this to over 4,000? The B.O. Nobel thread went down in the anals of Fark.

/(Ignore the thread badge on the right, I don't have time to fix it right now.)

//Yes, the missing n was on purpose

Anals? The word you were looking for is "annals"


Thanks for the superb annalysis, bro!


I laughed.  It's like he didn't even read your post.
 
2014-01-29 05:44:13 PM  

smoky2010: I can't wait until that little prick gets "Rosenburged".

\Thats what you do to traitors


Um, that little prick General Alexander? Because if anyone is a traitor, it's the head of the NSA. These guys take an oath to uphold the constitution- Alexander and many other very high ranking officials willingly broke that oath. They are the greater traitors deserving our wrath, not Snowden. Snowden only showed us how these guys were violating our civil rights.
 
2014-01-29 05:44:18 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: "He has contributed to revealing the extreme level of surveillance by nations against other nations and of citizens," former Socialist Left Party minister Baard Vegar Solhjell

You know who else liked extreme levels of surveillance against Norway?

I just hope Obama does the right thing and returns Henry Kissinger's Peace Prize.

/that lying fat fark who left people behind in SE Asia


Are you talking about the bodies along the Laotian and Cambodian borders?
 
2014-01-29 05:44:29 PM  
I hope he gets it, shows up to pick it up, and gets splattered as the mic he leans down to give his speech to explodes in his face.

ahhhhhhh.
 
2014-01-29 05:44:31 PM  

yakmans_dad: Well, to many on the left, Obama has just been a continuation of Bush. Particularly on foreign policy. So, yes, he's been disappointing.


Actually many of us "on the left" understand that Obama can only do so much, and Presidents don't control foreign policy, hardliners do. We also understand what happens to prospective progressives who try to challenge them.

The fact that we are still farking around the world stage is an indication of a much bigger problem than a cautious President.
 
2014-01-29 05:45:01 PM  
dittybopper:

You could argue that Snowden, by exposing the pervasive surveillance capabilities of the NSA, made us all a little bit more free, if only because we *KNOW* we're being surveilled now.

You could also argue that he made us less free by revealing an intelligence method.  Sources and Methods are two of the most closely guarded secrets.  Now that this is publically known, the NSA does not need to use nearly as much discretion when acting on data collected by the means Snowden revealed.  They're still collecting the data. Now they can use it without fear of revealing how they got it, making it far more likely to be used against someone other than an Al Qaeda operative.
 
2014-01-29 05:45:39 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: When I was growing up in the 80s I thought of Republicans as the police state's biggest proponents. And the war on drugs. And also the people most likely to say stupid shiat like, "America, love it or leave it." Turns out there are authority fellators everywhere.


It's not a left-right thing -- it's just that people can't look at their own side with a critical eye.  I hated Bush, but that doesn't automatically imply that I adore Obama.  He's better, certainly, but far from perfect.  Yes, when it comes to "police state" issues, he seems to be basically unprincipled -- at least as much as Bush was.

But people cling to their political affiliations with almost religious zeal: my candidate, right or wrong.
 
2014-01-29 05:46:14 PM  
I think, eventually, Snowden will be back and welcomed as a hero.  History tends to be kind to whistleblowers and not to over-reaching governments.
 
2014-01-29 05:46:36 PM  

smoky2010: whidbey: yakmans_dad: People asking why did Obama win the Nobel are being disingenuous.   He won because he wasn't George W. Bush.

No farking shiat. The entire world breathed a sigh of relief when Bush left office. That right there deserves an award.

In hindsight, seeing what a crappy president Obama is, I'd take 4 more years of Dubya. No, I don't like wars and such, but Obama is just taking up space in the White House. Its like were are all just waiting out this last term so that we can start actually doing something.


Roger that, Smoky, but people seem to forget that President Bush had 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina to deal with. I don't think the guy was that bad. Watch the documentary that Pelosi's daughter made; he actually looks like a pretty cool dude. Most of the hate for Uncle George is just fashionable and/or reflexive.
 
2014-01-29 05:47:31 PM  

jshine: But people cling to their political affiliations with almost religious zeal: my candidate, right or wrong.


Sorry but that's bullshiat.
 
2014-01-29 05:48:52 PM  

MJMaloney187: Roger that, Smoky, but people seem to forget that President Bush had 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina to deal with.


Yea, and Obama had Bush's messes to deal with, which were arguably bigger disasters.

/ far, far more people died in the Iraq war than in 9/11 and Katrina combined
 
2014-01-29 05:49:05 PM  

whidbey: Presidents don't control foreign policy


Yet Bush gets the blame for his.

whidbey: jshine: But people cling to their political affiliations with almost religious zeal: my candidate, right or wrong.

Sorry but that's bullshiat.


You were saying?
 
2014-01-29 05:49:16 PM  

MJMaloney187: Most of the hate for Uncle George is just fashionable and/or reflexive.


lol no
 
2014-01-29 05:49:47 PM  

TheDirtyNacho: I think, eventually, Snowden will be back and welcomed as a hero.  History tends to be kind to whistleblowers and not to over-reaching governments.


I'm not so sure. I think both sides are in the wrong here and I wouldn't call him a hero. Unless he took up Anna Chapman's offer of marriage.
 
2014-01-29 05:50:00 PM  

umad: whidbey: Presidents don't control foreign policy

Yet Bush gets the blame for his.

whidbey: jshine: But people cling to their political affiliations with almost religious zeal: my candidate, right or wrong.

Sorry but that's bullshiat.

You were saying?


Stuff you obviously can't fathom.
 
2014-01-29 05:52:23 PM  

Nemo's Brother: As the French have month-long riots and black soccer players are called racial slurs and people stab and riot over soccer. Soccer is a third-world sport perfect for those with a third-world mentality. Much like feeding Christians to lions and gladiator events.

Europeans have set themselves up to be completely dependent upon the government for their day-to-day survival. And when they don't get their way, they riot and loot.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/07/16-ways-europeans-are-just- be tter-at-life_n_3950351.html

16 Ways Europeans Are Just Better At Life

6. FOOTBALL (SOCCER)


/le'l
 
2014-01-29 05:52:27 PM  

voran: I hope he gets it, shows up to pick it up, and gets splattered as the mic he leans down to give his speech to explodes in his face.

ahhhhhhh.


Why?
 
2014-01-29 05:52:31 PM  

whidbey: Lsherm: whidbey: How is this a "troll," subby? The little biatch risked his life and career to blow the whistle on the NSA.

It's totally a peace move. Do yourself a favor and look up the word "troll" sometime.

He farking took the job on purpose to collect evidence.  That's not "risking your career" that's "achieving your goal."

Boo-farking-hoo if he didn't think it out.

He still took a huge risk doing what he did.

Jesus, does the Police State give you that big of a hardon or what, dude?


No, I can't even say I appreciate what the NSA is doing.  But I also don't appreciate blanket disclosure of state secrets without any concern for the damage it may cause, which is precisely the business Wikileaks is in.  Snowden strikes me as either ridiculously idealistic, profoundly ignorant, or maybe a mixture of both, about what he actually stole.  He stole particulars but not enough to see them in a whole context.

I had a few security clearances in my early career (absolutely nothing NSA level), and one of the instructions they either told me or I picked up on, I can't remember, was that something that seems like worthless information to you becomes infinitely more valuable when paired with information that seems like worthless information to someone else.  So one guy saying "hey, I built a hypersensitive infrared camera" doesn't sound like much until you find the guy that says "I just learned how to put this new camera in a missile guidance system."

He's only a victim of his own stupidity and megalomania - he planned this without any forethought to the damage he would cause to others, nor, it seems, what damage he would do to himself.  He exploited a hole in our national security apparatus, and for that he's to be thanked and then thrown in jail for 20 years.  Or he can live in Russia - more power to him.  He farked up, and he seems unwilling to accept that.
 
2014-01-29 05:53:14 PM  

MJMaloney187: smoky2010: whidbey: yakmans_dad: People asking why did Obama win the Nobel are being disingenuous.   He won because he wasn't George W. Bush.

No farking shiat. The entire world breathed a sigh of relief when Bush left office. That right there deserves an award.

In hindsight, seeing what a crappy president Obama is, I'd take 4 more years of Dubya. No, I don't like wars and such, but Obama is just taking up space in the White House. Its like were are all just waiting out this last term so that we can start actually doing something.

Roger that, Smoky, but people seem to forget that President Bush had 9/11 and Hurricane Katrina to deal with. I don't think the guy was that bad. Watch the documentary that Pelosi's daughter made; he actually looks like a pretty cool dude. Most of the hate for Uncle George is just fashionable and/or reflexive.


I live with my mom
 
2014-01-29 05:53:27 PM  

sendtodave: Lsherm: whidbey: How is this a "troll," subby? The little biatch risked his life and career to blow the whistle on the NSA.

It's totally a peace move. Do yourself a favor and look up the word "troll" sometime.

He farking took the job on purpose to collect evidence.  That's not "risking your career" that's "achieving your goal."

Boo-farking-hoo if he didn't think it out.

Huh.  Don't recall reading that before.


Well of course not, it doesn't fit in the "narrative."
 
2014-01-29 05:54:38 PM  

smoky2010: whidbey: yakmans_dad: People asking why did Obama win the Nobel are being disingenuous.   He won because he wasn't George W. Bush.

No farking shiat. The entire world breathed a sigh of relief when Bush left office. That right there deserves an award.

In hindsight, seeing what a crappy president Obama is, I'd take 4 more years of Dubya. No, I don't like wars and such, but Obama is just taking up space in the White House. Its like were are all just waiting out this last term so that we can start actually doing something.


Doing "something"?  Like failing to prevent 9/11 even after reading a security memo that read "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S."?  Like making up WMD claims in order to start a costly war against a country that didn't attack us?  Cutting taxes for the wealthy and sparking the Great Recession?  Turning a surplus into an $11 Trillion deficit?  Cutting spending on education, health care, environmental protection, and regulatory agencies?  Being the only industrialized nation to reject the Kyoto agreements to protect the environment?  Restricting states from regulating predatory lenders?  Badly mismanaging the Katrina disaster?  Denying global climate change -- or any science -- because it didn't line up with his politics?  Never apologizing or even recognizing any mistakes?

You mean those kinds of things?

You're smoking some pretty strong stuff, smoky2010.
 
2014-01-29 05:55:02 PM  
I think he totally deserves it.
 
2014-01-29 05:56:10 PM  

Lsherm: He's only a victim of his own stupidity and megalomania - he planned this without any forethought to the damage he would cause to others, nor, it seems, what damage he would do to himself.  He exploited a hole in our national security apparatus, and for that he's to be thanked and then thrown in jail for 20 years.  Or he can live in Russia - more power to him.  He farked up, and he seems unwilling to accept that.


I'm really not seeing the "megalomania" angle. And if anything, it takes a lot of courage to stand up to nearly indefensible policy like the NSA, or for that matter, the US as the aggressively hypocritical mega-state it's become.

I don't think it's "stupid" to challenge that, either. Snowden is forcing this country to behave mercifully. For once.
 
2014-01-29 05:56:11 PM  

Chris Ween: voran: I hope he gets it, shows up to pick it up, and gets splattered as the mic he leans down to give his speech to explodes in his face.

ahhhhhhh.

Why?



Authoritarian bootlicker mindset.
 
2014-01-29 05:56:46 PM  

Lsherm: sendtodave: Lsherm: whidbey: How is this a "troll," subby? The little biatch risked his life and career to blow the whistle on the NSA.

It's totally a peace move. Do yourself a favor and look up the word "troll" sometime.

He farking took the job on purpose to collect evidence.  That's not "risking your career" that's "achieving your goal."

Boo-farking-hoo if he didn't think it out.

Huh.  Don't recall reading that before.

Well of course not, it doesn't fit in the "narrative."


Which narrative, the one where he is only an innocent bystander, or the one where he is a malicious, monomaniacal traitor?
 
2014-01-29 05:57:14 PM  

MadMattressMack: TheDirtyNacho: I think, eventually, Snowden will be back and welcomed as a hero.  History tends to be kind to whistleblowers and not to over-reaching governments.

I'm not so sure. I think both sides are in the wrong here and I wouldn't call him a hero. Unless he took up Anna Chapman's offer of marriage.



A not-great comparison might be Pete Seeger.  He was hauled before Congress to be accused of being a Communist (and he was!) and then tossed in jail for contempt because he wouldn't name names.  But he stuck to his principles and despite being very unpopular in love-it-or-leave-it circles became an important element to the protests and social upheaval and eventually an icon of history.

Obviously not the same situation, and nobody's a perfect angel pure in deed, but I think history will look at his actions with favor.
 
2014-01-29 05:57:47 PM  
Good. Give him Obama's.
 
2014-01-29 05:57:55 PM  

sendtodave: SirEattonHogg: TheWhoppah:  wee: ManateeGag: He deserves it just as much as Obama did.


Have you ever met an actual European?   When you tell them you are from America, they start speaking slowly and simply, because they assume you are a child....................................

They just know that they are the real adults in the room.



The fact that the Europeans have a false sense of superiority doesn't make them "the adults in the room". Over the last 100 years, or so,  how have the Europeans proven themselves to be superioror more mature than the Americans?  Starting WWI? Starting WWII? Getting rebuilt through the US-designed Marshall Plan? Or perhaps you're referring to the way the Europeans managed more recent international issues, like the "successful" breakup of Yugoslavia?
 
2014-01-29 05:58:04 PM  

whidbey: m00: I hope he wins.

I would love to see the politicians trying to condemn china for jailing its nobel price winners, but justify (trying to) jail snowden.

I love how just because Snowden blew the whistle he is somehow automagically immune from prosecution.



Except for the fact that he is immune ... or at least should be

The Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101-12 as amended, is a United States federal law that protects federal employees who work for the government and report agency misconduct.
 
2014-01-29 05:59:00 PM  

smoky2010: whidbey: yakmans_dad: People asking why did Obama win the Nobel are being disingenuous.   He won because he wasn't George W. Bush.

No farking shiat. The entire world breathed a sigh of relief when Bush left office. That right there deserves an award.

In hindsight, seeing what a crappy president Obama is, I'd take 4 more years of Dubya. No, I don't like wars and such, but Obama is just taking up space in the White House. Its like were are all just waiting out this last term so that we can start actually doing something.


Wow...
Can I have some of whatever you're smoking?
 
2014-01-29 05:59:46 PM  

FatherofWallaby: Over the last 100 years, or so, how have the Europeans proven themselves to be superioror more mature than the Americans?


Their wars are much more deadly & vicious?
 
2014-01-29 06:00:04 PM  

FatherofWallaby: sendtodave: SirEattonHogg: TheWhoppah:  wee: ManateeGag: He deserves it just as much as Obama did.


Have you ever met an actual European?   When you tell them you are from America, they start speaking slowly and simply, because they assume you are a child....................................

They just know that they are the real adults in the room.


The fact that the Europeans have a false sense of superiority doesn't make them "the adults in the room". Over the last 100 years, or so,  how have the Europeans proven themselves to be superioror more mature than the Americans?  Starting WWI? Starting WWII? Getting rebuilt through the US-designed Marshall Plan? Or perhaps you're referring to the way the Europeans managed more recent international issues, like the "successful" breakup of Yugoslavia?


I guess you can ask them why they know they are better than you.

Kinda like when you ask why the adults get to stay up late, while you have to go to bed.
 
2014-01-29 06:01:12 PM  

Finger51: whidbey: m00: I hope he wins.

I would love to see the politicians trying to condemn china for jailing its nobel price winners, but justify (trying to) jail snowden.

I love how just because Snowden blew the whistle he is somehow automagically immune from prosecution.


Except for the fact that he is immune ... or at least should be

The Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101-12 as amended, is a United States federal law that protects federal employees who work for the government and report agency misconduct.


A law which has about as much bite as a toothless old Grishnar cat, thanks to successful efforts over the years.
 
2014-01-29 06:01:58 PM  
Seriously, though.  Just about every European I've ever met looks down on Americans.

The ones that don't make a real big show of it.  "I love Americans!  America is great!  I'm not like those other, american hating Europeans!"

I think you're just supposed to hate Americans if you are a European.
 
2014-01-29 06:02:18 PM  
Is he really worthy of standing along side luminaries of peace like Yasser Arafat and Barack Obama?
How many suicide bombers and hellfire missiles has this loser contributed to the cause of peace?
I think you should have to at least blow up four weddings and a funeral before you are even considered for nomination.

Call it the Gandhi rule.
 
2014-01-29 06:02:23 PM  

sendtodave: I guess you can ask them why they know they are better than you.

Kinda like when you ask why the adults get to stay up late, while you have to go to bed.


...and just remember:

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2014-01-29 06:02:52 PM  

generallyso: Chris Ween: voran: I hope he gets it, shows up to pick it up, and gets splattered as the mic he leans down to give his speech to explodes in his face.

ahhhhhhh.

Why?


Authoritarian bootlicker mindset.


I dunno, I don't think its fair to call Mr. Ween that.
 
2014-01-29 06:03:57 PM  

hardinparamedic: As much as I dislike snowden's personality and motives for doing what he did as less than altruistic,'


I don't get that sentiment in the least. How the fark did he do anything but suffer for his actions? And what the fark is wrong with his personality? You people all seem like basic slaves to the media. They can't program you with a 'take' on a situation no matter what the facts are.
 
2014-01-29 06:05:33 PM  

Finger51: whidbey: m00: I hope he wins.

I would love to see the politicians trying to condemn china for jailing its nobel price winners, but justify (trying to) jail snowden.

I love how just because Snowden blew the whistle he is somehow automagically immune from prosecution.


Except for the fact that he is immune ... or at least should be

The Whistleblower Protection Act of 1989, Pub.L. 101-12 as amended, is a United States federal law that protects federal employees who work for the government and report agency misconduct.


Snowden's actions are specifically excluded from protection by that act.

The dude is a criminal that indiscriminately released state secrets to the public.   He is no different than the asshole that let Valerie Plame's status be known.

He effectively broke into your house, stole your filing cabinet and then pulled out that "questionable" tax return and declared you a tax evader.
 
2014-01-29 06:06:32 PM  

ManateeGag: He deserves it just as much as Obama did.


Nope.  He's a few drone strike orders short of what Obama has achieved.
 
2014-01-29 06:08:36 PM  

hardinparamedic: As much as I dislike snowden's personality and motives for doing what he did as less than altruistic, they're right. Exposing wide-spread abuse of the NSA's telecom monitoring network and the US Government flagrantly violation it's citizens constitutional rights is a big deal, might be worthy of the prize.

However, as people have mentioned, a nomination does not mean he'll win it, and it's not really notable.



What is his personality?  And from where did you get your understanding of it?
 
2014-01-29 06:10:30 PM  

BafflerMeal: hardinparamedic: As much as I dislike snowden's personality and motives for doing what he did as less than altruistic, they're right. Exposing wide-spread abuse of the NSA's telecom monitoring network and the US Government flagrantly violation it's citizens constitutional rights is a big deal, might be worthy of the prize.

However, as people have mentioned, a nomination does not mean he'll win it, and it's not really notable.


What is his personality?  And from where did you get your understanding of it?


He's obviously an arrogant prick because he didn't break down on international TV and say "I'm SOWWY USA for what I did OH THE HUMANITY I MISS CHEESEBURGERS!"
 
2014-01-29 06:12:35 PM  

BafflerMeal: hardinparamedic: As much as I dislike snowden's personality and motives for doing what he did as less than altruistic, they're right. Exposing wide-spread abuse of the NSA's telecom monitoring network and the US Government flagrantly violation it's citizens constitutional rights is a big deal, might be worthy of the prize.

However, as people have mentioned, a nomination does not mean he'll win it, and it's not really notable.


What is his personality?  And from where did you get your understanding of it?


Just, like, listen to him.  Doesn't he sound smug, and sneering?

All like, "Oh, I know better than the entire US government regarding people's rights!  I should try and undermine my protector and benefactor!"

Who thinks that?

People with no loyalty, that's who.
 
2014-01-29 06:12:54 PM  

whidbey: OH THE HUMANITY I MISS CHEESEBURGERS!"


personal.psu.eduView Full Size
 
2014-01-29 06:13:25 PM  

voran: generallyso: Chris Ween: voran: I hope he gets it, shows up to pick it up, and gets splattered as the mic he leans down to give his speech to explodes in his face.

ahhhhhhh.

Why?


Authoritarian bootlicker mindset.

I dunno, I don't think its fair to call Mr. Ween that.


That doesn't even register on the top 100 names I've been called. :)
 
2014-01-29 06:14:12 PM  

jshine: whidbey: OH THE HUMANITY I MISS CHEESEBURGERS!"

[www.personal.psu.edu image 479x459]


Jeez 9.50 for a burger? What's become of this country?
 
2014-01-29 06:14:34 PM  

sendtodave: BafflerMeal: hardinparamedic: As much as I dislike snowden's personality and motives for doing what he did as less than altruistic, they're right. Exposing wide-spread abuse of the NSA's telecom monitoring network and the US Government flagrantly violation it's citizens constitutional rights is a big deal, might be worthy of the prize.

However, as people have mentioned, a nomination does not mean he'll win it, and it's not really notable.


What is his personality?  And from where did you get your understanding of it?

Just, like, listen to him.  Doesn't he sound smug, and sneering?

All like, "Oh, I know better than the entire US government regarding people's rights!  I should try and undermine my protector and benefactor!"

Who thinks that?

People with no loyalty, that's who.


Somalians!
 
2014-01-29 06:15:37 PM  

whidbey: jshine: whidbey: OH THE HUMANITY I MISS CHEESEBURGERS!"

[www.personal.psu.edu image 479x459]

Jeez 9.50 for a burger? What's become of this country?


Its the new flavorful quarter pounder menus.
 
2014-01-29 06:16:57 PM  
MAXIMUM TROLLING would be if St Vlad made Snowy Ambassador to the US he could come to the US and have diplomatic immunity.
 
2014-01-29 06:18:12 PM  

Chris Ween: whidbey: jshine: whidbey: OH THE HUMANITY I MISS CHEESEBURGERS!"

[www.personal.psu.edu image 479x459]

Jeez 9.50 for a burger? What's become of this country?

Its the new flavorful quarter pounder menus.


In Putin Mafia Russia, quarter pound YOU.
 
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