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(Slate)   The comma is disappearing from English which is fine because it's pointless silly and dumb but while nobody really needs to use it anymore that doesn't mean grammar isn't like important   (slate.com) divider line 179
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2014-01-29 06:21:23 PM  
She said she was
A magic mama
And she could throw a mean tarot
And carried on without a comma
That she was someone I should know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6diCm4x3iRg

Nobody referenced this yet?  Fark, I am disappointed.
 
2014-01-29 06:21:28 PM  

whidbey: red5ish: whidbey: Grammar isn't very important period. Anymore, people just do what they want with it, and practically any attempt to point out rules gets you branded as old fashioned.

I suppose it all comes down to what you do for a living. Based on your comment, I am guessing that you are a butcher.

I'm a writer. Pretty sure that's how I know what I'm talking about.


That isn't possible.
 
2014-01-29 06:27:30 PM  

cman: Why cant we update the spelling standards to have English spelled phonetically again? No one pronounces the "gh" anymore, why still have it?


If you get rid of the gh, then it would be "Enlis," and that doesn't really look like a phonetic spelling to me.  I like it the way it is.
 
2014-01-29 06:31:06 PM  

whidbey: Dragonflew: rzrwiresunrise: Because what grammar thread would be complete without it:

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

See page 1 of thread.

Well, this is America, after all, and you know what reading's for...


I'm Canadian. We still read here.
 
2014-01-29 06:33:01 PM  

Dragonflew: whidbey: Dragonflew: rzrwiresunrise: Because what grammar thread would be complete without it:

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

See page 1 of thread.

Well, this is America, after all, and you know what reading's for...

I'm Canadian. We still read here.


Both sides of the package? Also, not sure I want to read the ingredients on those really yummy rivals to Cheetos you have up there.
 
2014-01-29 06:42:45 PM  

whidbey: I'm a writer. Pretty sure that's how I know what I'm talking about.


A writer who thinks grammar is not important.
 
2014-01-29 06:46:42 PM  
 
2014-01-29 06:47:03 PM  
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2014-01-29 06:49:27 PM  

red5ish: whidbey: I'm a writer. Pretty sure that's how I know what I'm talking about.

A writer who thinks grammar is not important.


Just summarizing the current paradigm. Not what I personally think.
 
2014-01-29 06:55:54 PM  

whidbey: Dragonflew: whidbey: Dragonflew: rzrwiresunrise: Because what grammar thread would be complete without it:

A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling

See page 1 of thread.

Well, this is America, after all, and you know what reading's for...

I'm Canadian. We still read here.

Both sides of the package?


Well, many of us are bilingual.
 
2014-01-29 07:23:23 PM  
 
2014-01-29 07:26:09 PM  

red5ish: whidbey: Grammar isn't very important period. Anymore, people just do what they want with it, and practically any attempt to point out rules gets you branded as old fashioned.

I suppose it all comes down to what you do for a living. Based on your comment, I am guessing that you are a butcher.


+10 for making me actually laugh (rather than simple "LOL"ing).   :)
 
2014-01-29 07:29:35 PM  

whidbey: I'm a writer. Pretty sure that's how I know what I'm talking about.


Citations needed.
 
2014-01-29 07:57:37 PM  

cman: Why cant we write English like we say it?

Why must we be so fanciful with our writing style?

Why cant we update the spelling standards to have English spelled phonetically again? No one pronounces the "gh" anymore, why still have it?


Ugh!
 
2014-01-29 08:03:51 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: whidbey: I'm a writer. Pretty sure that's how I know what I'm talking about.

Citations needed.


Ah... Well... I attended Julliard... I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively.

lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT...
 
2014-01-29 08:49:46 PM  
http://www.ted.com/talks/john_mcwhorter_txtng_is_killing_language_jk. h tml
"Does texting mean the death of good writing skills? John McWhorter posits that there's much more to texting -- linguistically, culturally -- than it seems, and it's all good news."
 
2014-01-29 08:53:19 PM  

whidbey: MelGoesOnTour: whidbey: I'm a writer. Pretty sure that's how I know what I'm talking about.

Citations needed.

Ah... Well... I attended Julliard... I'm a graduate of the Harvard business school. I travel quite extensively.

lived through the Black Plague and had a pretty good time during that. I've seen the EXORCIST ABOUT A HUNDRED AND SIXTY-SEVEN TIMES, AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT...


Okay. You tolled me. +10.   :)

/ touche!   :)
 
2014-01-29 08:54:54 PM  

MelGoesOnTour: tolled


"Trolled". Dmng typo-fingers.

/comma
 
2014-01-29 10:13:31 PM  

TheOtherMisterP: So his basic argument is "We don't need commas because Twitter."

That's just stupid. It's like saying "it isn't raining today so I should throw out my umbrella." There's a time and place for everything, and twitter should not be driving basic language rules.

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That's not entirely fair.  He also included the "this is old, so we should get rid of it," argument too.
 
2014-01-29 10:22:24 PM  
I'm torn.  On the one hand, the best part of this piece MIGHT be that the author doesn't appear to know jack about the topic on which he is writing:

Correction, Jan. 29, 2014: Due to an editing error, this article originally misstated that the Oxford comma comes after the last item in a series. It comes after the penultimate item.

On the other hand, it might be his failure to use parentheses correctly:

McWhorter and Curzan both suggest that the lack of definitive comma guidelines results in a punctuation mark that is especially malleable and prone to use modifications. (There is no similar confusion about when to place a question mark or a period.)

CSB:

I had an Irish student the first year I was teaching freshmen composition at the local college.  I got his first paper and spent about ten minutes trying to figure out when in the hell he had been smoking, because the thing was barely readable (the words that were comprehensible were spelled fantastically wrong).  Then I realized that, much like many American students, he was just spelling words the way they sounded... and they sound pretty freaking different when spoken in an Irish accent.  I had a good laugh about it, spent the semester working with the kid, and he got himself shipshape.

The moral of the story: standards matter, you stupid reformers.

/Even if adhere to them imperfectly
 
2014-01-30 12:15:56 AM  

busy chillin': Who gives a f*ck about an Oxford comma?


came for this, leaving satisfied
 
2014-01-30 02:50:45 AM  
As a software engineer, what really bugs me is the accepted English method of closing nested parentheticals with just a single parentheses.

"I was walking down the street (Mulberry Street (the one on the east side of town) and witnessed a car accident. "

It just seems WRONG
 
2014-01-30 07:06:33 AM  
 

ISO15693: As a software engineer, what really bugs me is the accepted English method of closing nested parentheticals with just a single parentheses.

"I was walking down the street (Mulberry Street (the one on the east side of town) and witnessed a car accident. "

It just seems WRONG


I've learned to avoid nesting partheticals. Saves my sanity as well as keeps me from digressing too much.
 
2014-01-30 07:13:05 AM  
Hasn't saved my typing any.
 
2014-01-30 09:20:54 AM  
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2014-01-30 10:25:32 AM  

The hopeless imp: ISO15693: As a software engineer, what really bugs me is the accepted English method of closing nested parentheticals with just a single parentheses.

"I was walking down the street (Mulberry Street (the one on the east side of town) and witnessed a car accident. "

It just seems WRONG

I've learned to avoid nesting partheticals. Saves my sanity as well as keeps me from digressing too much.


Wait wait wait.  It just "seems wrong" because it IS wrong.  Since when is that kind of sloppy stupidity accepted in formal writing?  Of COURSE you close out all your parentheses; I wasn't aware this was a question.

The best way to approach it, for me, is to alternate [ brackets and ( parentheses, and maybe throw in a { or two if you want to get fancy.  Of course, if you find yourself nesting like that, you're probably expressing yourself incorrectly.

A "writer" using "anymore" to BEGIN a sentence?  Really?  I think not.
 
2014-01-30 02:52:44 PM  

Far Cough: The best way to approach it, for me, is to alternate [ brackets and ( parentheses, and maybe throw in a { or two if you want to get fancy.  Of course, if you find yourself nesting like that, you're probably expressing yourself incorrectly.


This actually what I do! ..but apparently the (yadda(yadda(yadda(yadda) thing is the "officially approved" ISO194788.12.1b syntax as set forth by the Standard Grammar Institute of America, or something.
 
2014-01-30 02:56:06 PM  

ISO15693: ISO194788.12.1b


Well I guess you would know.
 
2014-01-30 06:23:50 PM  

Far Cough: A "writer" using "anymore" to BEGIN a sentence?  Really?  I think not.


Yeah styles of writing explored (and published) more than 60 years ago are so controversial.
 
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