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(NPR)   In what's been a long-standing battle, some scientists have always believed the Grand Canyon is very, very old. Others believe it's quite young. Now new evidence shows they both might be right. See, creationists and evolutionists? You can get along   (npr.org) divider line 71
    More: Cool, Grand Canyon, University of New Mexico, Nature Geoscience  
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2014-01-29 12:06:19 PM  
so, wait, Paris Hilton is how old?
 
2014-01-29 12:07:37 PM  

Frank N Stein: See, I'm a catholic. So I believe that God's hand guides evolution. So I can look down on both people. I'm not a retarded anti-science creationist, and I'm not a fedora tipping hell-bound athiest :)


This is the game that religious people play. Their book makes a claim about the origins of life on earth (for example in Genesis) and when this is found to be inaccurate they tell you that it wasn't meant to be taken literally. Even worse, when scientific discoveries are made, then these same people will tell you, "That's how God did it." The obvious problem is that all of these mechanics work perfectly well without an assumption of a God.

How anyone can identify as a Catholic defies reason. That church matches the definition of organized crime.
 
2014-01-29 12:10:53 PM  

Sapper_Topo: [img.fark.net image 240x210]


assets.amuniversal.com
 
2014-01-29 12:11:27 PM  

Langdon Alger: so, wait, Paris Hilton is how old?


w/w/o the recent work?
 
2014-01-29 12:20:15 PM  
I'da thunk they'd have figured all this out already.
 
2014-01-29 12:24:52 PM  
hey gaiz whats this th++++ carrier lost +++++
 
2014-01-29 12:26:28 PM  

Frank N Stein: See, I'm a catholic. So I believe that God's hand guides evolution. So I can look down on both people. I'm not a retarded anti-science creationist, and I'm not a fedora tipping hell-bound athiest :)



At least you've found a way to feel superior to both groups.
 
2014-01-29 12:38:30 PM  

Civchic: I like this guy! He's one of the guys instrumental in the "Trail of Time", so he has some professional pride on the line, and here he is saying "Whoa! I was wrong. This new info is pretty neat, though - let's check it out."


This is how scientists think and how everyone should.

You find truth in doubt
 
2014-01-29 12:39:35 PM  

cynicalbastard: Frank N Stein: See, I'm a catholic. So I believe that God's hand guides evolution. So I can look down on both people. I'm not a retarded anti-science creationist, and I'm not a fedora tipping hell-bound athiest :)


At least you've found a way to feel superior to both groups.


low fruit
not even hanging, on the ground, like acorns
 
2014-01-29 01:06:53 PM  

Frank N Stein: See, I'm a catholic. So I believe that God's hand guides evolution. So I can look down on both people. I'm not a retarded anti-science creationist, and I'm not a fedora tipping hell-bound athiest :)


Now I want a fedora so I can tip my hat :/
 
2014-01-29 01:13:09 PM  

talkertopc: This has nothing to do with evolution. Geology is not Biology.
Creationists mix biological and geological origins together, scientists don't.


Actually, the geology of the Grand Canyon has quite a bit to do with our understanding of biology and evolution, in terms of recording the geologic column and lifeforms contained therein, not to mention climate conditions and worldwide volcanic events which have influenced the course of evolution.
 
2014-01-29 01:48:03 PM  

tylerdurden217: Frank N Stein: See, I'm a catholic. So I believe that God's hand guides evolution. So I can look down on both people. I'm not a retarded anti-science creationist, and I'm not a fedora tipping hell-bound athiest :)

This is the game that religious people play. Their book makes a claim about the origins of life on earth (for example in Genesis) and when this is found to be inaccurate they tell you that it wasn't meant to be taken literally. Even worse, when scientific discoveries are made, then these same people will tell you, "That's how God did it." The obvious problem is that all of these mechanics work perfectly well without an assumption of a God.

How anyone can identify as a Catholic defies reason. That church matches the definition of organized crime.


*tips fedora*
 
2014-01-29 01:52:34 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-29 01:57:52 PM  

Frank N Stein: See, I'm a catholic. So I believe that God's hand guides evolution. So I can look down on both people. I'm not a retarded anti-science creationist, and I'm not a fedora tipping hell-bound athiest :)


Sorry, but Egyptian Coptic is the one true religion. You're going to hell like most everyone else also.
 
2014-01-29 02:25:39 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Looks old.
 
2014-01-29 06:02:47 PM  

cretinbob: TheShavingofOccam123: My guess is it started on a fault line and grew from there. Or it grew and found a fault line and grew from there.

Yes, and occasioally there was heavy flooding, sayof a sea draining of ice sheet meltig, that caused rapid erosio, then slow erosion, then another event causing rapid erosion etc.

If you look at a lot of the terrain out west, it was formed by rapid processes.


I assume that you are on a cell phone from the spelling, but yes. That theory (called the Breached dam Theory) has a lot of recently discovered evidence too. And there is precedent for rapid geological sculpting in well documented cases in the form of the Missoula Floods .
 
2014-01-29 09:21:11 PM  

2KanZam: Civchic: I like this guy! He's one of the guys instrumental in the "Trail of Time", so he has some professional pride on the line, and here he is saying "Whoa! I was wrong. This new info is pretty neat, though - let's check it out."

This is how scientists think and how everyone should.

You find truth in doubt


Late to the party, but I have to say this is BS. The article claims there was consensus in 2012, and this is different from the consensus. So this guy is just a denier and needs to be shunned. There is consensus. The debate is over.

I mean, that is how science is done, right?
 
2014-01-29 09:42:27 PM  

washington-babylon: cretinbob: TheShavingofOccam123: My guess is it started on a fault line and grew from there. Or it grew and found a fault line and grew from there.

Yes, and occasioally there was heavy flooding, sayof a sea draining of ice sheet meltig, that caused rapid erosio, then slow erosion, then another event causing rapid erosion etc.

If you look at a lot of the terrain out west, it was formed by rapid processes.

I assume that you are on a cell phone from the spelling, but yes. That theory (called the Breached dam Theory) has a lot of recently discovered evidence too. And there is precedent for rapid geological sculpting in well documented cases in the form of the Missoula Floods .


Yes, I have a bad "N" key. sometimes I catch it, sometimes ot.
 
2014-01-30 01:39:49 AM  
Um. Uh. Miss Hoover?

It's a continuing process. Canyon formation isn't a one-off event so it doesn't have an age.
 
2014-01-30 01:40:58 AM  
Also,

"And all of this is exciting for a scientist, Karlstrom says. "It's spectacular. If you're willing to change your mind based on evidence, it's great fun.""

Yes scientistical person, that's called SCIENCE :/
 
2014-01-30 08:48:57 AM  
Kinda reminds me of how the Niagara River may be working its way back through an old buried gorge... I'd have to do some fact-checking before I could give the whole story.

\also, 'The Great Unconformity' is going to be the title of my solo album, which I will play on my Peavey amp.
 
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