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2014-01-29 09:32:00 AM  
And why is any of this a problem?

There is no market for cheerleading.  Nobody cares about their plight.

They are entertainers without a market.
 
2014-01-29 09:33:37 AM  
People doing a hobby they enjoy and not being paid a great salary for it = ponzi scheme
 
2014-01-29 09:36:16 AM  
Oh come on, they couldn't say "pyramid" scheme?
 
2014-01-29 09:38:16 AM  
Can someone come in here and be outraged by this? I can't seem to muster much care.
 
2014-01-29 09:43:54 AM  

INeedAName: Can someone come in here and be outraged by this? I can't seem to muster much care.


Minimum wage!
Misogyny!
Personal dignity!
NFL is tax exempt!
Exploitation!
Teams are rich!
This is BULLSHIAT!!!!

/you are welcome
 
2014-01-29 09:50:25 AM  

johnny_vegas: INeedAName: Can someone come in here and be outraged by this? I can't seem to muster much care.

Minimum wage!
Misogyny!
Personal dignity!
NFL is tax exempt!
Exploitation!
Teams are rich!
This is BULLSHIAT!!!!

/you are welcome


The only one that I can muster any outrage about is the tax-exempt status. They are neither non-profit, nor are they a religious institution. Just absurd.
 
2014-01-29 09:51:29 AM  
If they're being exploited so badly why not, oh I don't know, stop farking cheerleading?

The reason they get paid $10 bucks a game is because there's a hundred bleached blondes with tit jobs waiting to take their places if they quit.
 
2014-01-29 10:02:28 AM  

Semper IvXx: If they're being exploited so badly why not, oh I don't know, stop farking cheerleading working at McDonalds, WalMart or any of a thousand different minimum wage jobs?


FTFY.

 
2014-01-29 10:11:36 AM  

Cymbal: They are neither non-profit, nor are they a religious institution. Just absurd.


The NFL is non-profit.  It is a trade organization to promote the teams.. which are for profit and are taxed.
 
2014-01-29 10:16:53 AM  
Cheerleaders, ignore the callous remarks above and just know that this guy here is on your side. I condemn this injustice and offer to comfort you in any way I can.
 
2014-01-29 10:31:51 AM  
There's a simpler solution, you don't have to be a cheerleader.

They are outraged that they have to maintain strict weight requirements?
Why do you think you beat out the other fatties in the tryouts?

They are outraged that the men aren't held to the same standards?
How often do the men get any face time at all.  They are just there to lift you girls up so that more people can see you, no one cares if they are a bit overweight if they can do the lifting required and aren't portly.

They are outraged that they have to do a swimsuit calendar and then sell it?
Heavens to betsy!  Oh whoa is me!  Never in my life have I been forced to make a profit off of my looks especially as I work in a career that is entirely based on looks and a complain that I'm not making enough profit from how good I look.

This is the biggest non-story outrage since Obama's birth certificate.
 
2014-01-29 10:43:10 AM  
I'm curious what the "scam" is. Are they holograms or something? Are they secretly cheering for the other team?

Yeah, as representatives of the team, they should get paid a decent wage. They should also get some percentage of merchandising that involves their image. I get all of that, but that doesn't make this a "scam", and most definitely not a "Ponzi scheme".


What it IS is a crappy job.
 
2014-01-29 10:46:58 AM  
Getting a kick bc I had a friend from HS who cheered for the Redskins.

She almost always ends up in the 'Hot Cheerleader' threads.
 
2014-01-29 10:49:43 AM  
And those guys on the football team.  They don't have to live up to standards set by the organization!
/oh, wait
 
2014-01-29 10:51:10 AM  
On the one hand I sympathize with anyone who is being treated poorly by a massive institution of wealth and power. On the other hand I feel like if the cheerleaders keep this up the teams will just say, 'ok, no cheerleaders' and it would barely be noticed.
 
2014-01-29 10:55:29 AM  

Mikey1969: What it IS is a crappy job.


Not a crappy job.  A hobby.  I think this article made it clear that they are compensated volunteers that have to meet certain standards to remain.

A crappy job is concession stand worker or janitor.  Ask the people who work for Aramark if they are crying for the plight of these cheerleaders
 
2014-01-29 10:57:23 AM  
This thread didn't go where I thought it might.

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2014-01-29 11:01:52 AM  

Super Chronic: Cheerleaders, ignore the callous remarks above and just know that this guy here is on your side. I condemn this injustice and offer to comfort you in any way I can.


I second this notion.

Zoe, call me...

ultimatecheerleaders.com

 
2014-01-29 11:02:53 AM  
once the calendars are printed up and ready to go, all cheerleaders are required to purchase a certain number of issues. For women, that number is 100; for men, it's 20.

WTF? Seriously, the whole NFL cheerleading thing is skeeve and sleaze all the way down. I imagine it has only been allowed to flourish for so long because it attracts people who aren't bright enough to realize it's a scam.
 
2014-01-29 11:03:41 AM  
I can think of a way these NFL cheerleaders could increase their hourly rate.  At my house.  Tonight.  All of you. The working conditions would be swell if you discount the fact that I'd be there.  I'd spend my life savings minus what I'd need for vitamin V and a skin graft later.
 
2014-01-29 11:04:23 AM  

degenerate-afro: Mikey1969: What it IS is a crappy job.

Not a crappy job.  A hobby.  I think this article made it clear that they are compensated volunteers that have to meet certain standards to remain.

A crappy job is concession stand worker or janitor.  Ask the people who work for Aramark if they are crying for the plight of these cheerleaders


A crappy job is a crappy job. When your compensation is not at all equal to what the company makes off of you, it's a shiatty job.

And yeah the Aramark folks wouldn't be crying a tear when they thought the cheerleaders were making bank, but when they find out it's a freebie, they'd think it was a bullshiat job for little pay.
 
2014-01-29 11:06:47 AM  

someonelse: once the calendars are printed up and ready to go, all cheerleaders are required to purchase a certain number of issues. For women, that number is 100; for men, it's 20.

WTF? Seriously, the whole NFL cheerleading thing is skeeve and sleaze all the way down. I imagine it has only been allowed to flourish for so long because it attracts people who aren't bright enough to realize it's a scam.


Did you miss the part where thye take home $50 per hour in appearance fees?
 
2014-01-29 11:10:28 AM  

Mikey1969: And yeah the Aramark folks wouldn't be crying a tear when they thought the cheerleaders were making bank, but when they find out it's a freebie, they'd think it was a bullshiat job for little pay.


$50 per hour for showing up and shaking a few hands.  I'm sure the Aramark people are outraged at the plight of these poor women.
 
2014-01-29 11:11:26 AM  
The more you learn about the NFL, the slimier, sleazier, and more corrupt everything about it looks.
 
2014-01-29 11:19:40 AM  

Mikey1969: They should also get some percentage of merchandising that involves their image. I get all of that, but that doesn't make this a "scam", and most definitely not a "Ponzi scheme".


True, it's more like a Mary Kay system in which they're required to purchase merchandise that they may then sell at a slight profit. That's neither a Ponzi scheme nor pyramid scheme, as they're not recruiting other salespeople. It is, nonetheless, a scam.
 
2014-01-29 11:20:45 AM  
I used to think women needed to be treated fairly and humanely and given a decent wage. Then I saw what happened to stewardesses after they got fairness implemented. Now unless you are in first class your stewardess is going to be a 45 year old hag with halitosis or a gay man. Which is fine if that is what you want to see happen to cheerleaders. I for one do not.
 
2014-01-29 11:23:03 AM  
Dear Mr./Ms. witer of TFA and Mr./Ms. editor of TFA,
I you write the phrase "ponzi scheme in hotpants" as the hook, the rest of your article must detail how the job of cheerleeding is akin to a fraudulent investment scam. You did not do this.
What you did do is describe a very, very shiatty job that has no relation whatsoever to a ponzi scheme. There are interestig things in your piece, and no need for a bait and switch.
 
2014-01-29 11:23:52 AM  

degenerate-afro: Mikey1969: And yeah the Aramark folks wouldn't be crying a tear when they thought the cheerleaders were making bank, but when they find out it's a freebie, they'd think it was a bullshiat job for little pay.

$50 per hour for showing up and shaking a few hands.  I'm sure the Aramark people are outraged at the plight of these poor women.


FTFA:

With three-hour rehearsals held twice weekly and an eight-hour game-day shift, that works out to $7.14 per hour.

I get it, cherry picking is totes fun.
 
2014-01-29 11:24:09 AM  

degenerate-afro: Not a crappy job.  A hobby.  I think this article made it clear that they are compensated volunteers that have to meet certain standards to remain.


FTFY. Since they have significant out of pocket expenses that their "wages" do not seem to cover, they are, at best, partially reimbursed volunteers.

I'd say the bigger question is whether they have occupational insurance - if they slip and fall at the game or get hit by a player running out of bounds, are their medical expenses covered by the team? Or are they immediately "dismissed" and told that they're volunteers and have no recourse?
 
2014-01-29 11:27:27 AM  
TIL: there are apparently male NFL cheerleaders.
 
2014-01-29 11:29:10 AM  
Sex sells, but not for very much at a football game.
 
2014-01-29 11:48:29 AM  

degenerate-afro: Mikey1969: What it IS is a crappy job.

Not a crappy job.  A hobby.  I think this article made it clear that they are compensated volunteers that have to meet certain standards to remain.

A crappy job is concession stand worker or janitor.  Ask the people who work for Aramark if they are crying for the plight of these cheerleaders


Not a hobby.  A job.  See, I can do that, too!

For most of these women, it's an entry-level position into the world of modeling.  It absolutely is a crappy job and they mostly make less money than those concession workers or janitors on a per-hour basis.
 
2014-01-29 11:49:28 AM  
How many of these cheerleaders go on to meet successful affluent gentlemen which they later marry?

They aren't doing it for the money, they do it because they like the attention associated with it. They know saying they are a "nfl cheerleader" immediate turns heads and gets people's attention. I understand they make not like the environment, but they can stop at anytime and go find other work. But being a corporate attorney doesn't turn near as many heads or open near as many doors as being a cheerleader.
 
2014-01-29 11:53:14 AM  

degenerate-afro: someonelse: once the calendars are printed up and ready to go, all cheerleaders are required to purchase a certain number of issues. For women, that number is 100; for men, it's 20.

WTF? Seriously, the whole NFL cheerleading thing is skeeve and sleaze all the way down. I imagine it has only been allowed to flourish for so long because it attracts people who aren't bright enough to realize it's a scam.

Did you miss the part where thye take home $50 per hour in appearance fees?


That doesn't really shift my meter from "sleezy and vaguely unethical" to "profession I would totally encourage my daughter to pursue."
 
2014-01-29 12:16:38 PM  
I have no sympathy.  The captain of the cheerleaders gets to go to homecoming with the QB. There are many benefits for them.

However, I guess all the other cheerleaders end up with the offensive linemen huffing and puffing on top of them so that probably isn't much fun.
 
2014-01-29 12:30:33 PM  
I'm beginning to think that no one really understands what a Ponzi scheme is.
 
2014-01-29 12:38:22 PM  

someonelse: That doesn't really shift my meter from "sleezy and vaguely unethical" to "profession I would totally encourage my daughter to pursue."


Cheerleading isn't a profession.
Aerobics Instructor is a profession.
 
2014-01-29 12:44:40 PM  

WhyKnot: How many of these cheerleaders go on to meet successful affluent gentlemen which they later marry?

They aren't doing it for the money, they do it because they like the attention associated with it. They know saying they are a "nfl cheerleader" immediate turns heads and gets people's attention. I understand they make not like the environment, but they can stop at anytime and go find other work. But being a corporate attorney doesn't turn near as many heads or open near as many doors as being a cheerleader.


The current Mrs. Elway would agree, she was a Raiderette I believe.
 
2014-01-29 12:50:16 PM  

BMulligan: I'm beginning to think that no one really understands what a Ponzi scheme is.


Send them here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ponzi

Or they could just look up Bernie Madoff - he was pretty good at it. But yeah, there is nothing remotely resembling a ponzi scheme at work here. Subby may as well have said "an accordion in hot pants" or a "snow plow in hot pants" for all the sense that made.
 
2014-01-29 12:51:19 PM  

someonelse: That doesn't really shift my meter from "sleezy and vaguely unethical" to "profession I would totally encourage my daughter to pursue."


That's probably a good thing, a grown woman should aspire to more than being "professional" eye candy.
 
2014-01-29 12:56:43 PM  

degenerate-afro: someonelse: once the calendars are printed up and ready to go, all cheerleaders are required to purchase a certain number of issues. For women, that number is 100; for men, it's 20.

WTF? Seriously, the whole NFL cheerleading thing is skeeve and sleaze all the way down. I imagine it has only been allowed to flourish for so long because it attracts people who aren't bright enough to realize it's a scam.

Did you miss the part where thye take home $50 per hour in appearance fees?


I'm sure they make bank showing up at all those car dealership/radio station/sell-a-thons
 
2014-01-29 01:05:33 PM  
Well if they were smart they would do it for as short as a time as they could and use the exposure for bigger and better things. Who knew pretty people could get treated as bad as us normies.
 
2014-01-29 01:31:15 PM  

JohnBigBootay: BMulligan: I'm beginning to think that no one really understands what a Ponzi scheme is.

Send them here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ponzi

Or they could just look up Bernie Madoff - he was pretty good at it. But yeah, there is nothing remotely resembling a ponzi scheme at work here. Subby may as well have said "an accordion in hot pants" or a "snow plow in hot pants" for all the sense that made.


2.bp.blogspot.com

It's hard to say for sure - she might be wearing hot pants, or it may just be a skirt.
 
2014-01-29 01:42:03 PM  

relaxitsjustme: I'm sure they make bank showing up at all those car dealership/radio station/sell-a-thons


I think people still aren't understanding my point.

FTFDocumentation:
You must attend all home games and be at the stadium, prepared for practice (taped and in practice attire) at least five (@) hours before kickoff

 Generally, two (6) rehearsals will be scheduled weekly, however, the director, in conjunction with management, reserves the right to schedule additional practices as needed due to appearances, inclement weather conditions, or specific stadium activities.


Rehearsal dates and times are Tuesday and Thursday nights from 6:30 p.m. until 9:30 p.m. exact rehearsal hours may change at the discretion of the Ravens


So basically they spend 6 hours a week and 9 hours on Sundays (4 hours for the game and they show up 5 hours before the game) doing cheerleading.

15 HOURS A WEEK IS NOT A CAREER.


They "work" 8 games a year.
They get a bonus for playoffs games.
They get $50 an hour for appearances.
They get additional revenue if they are selected to be in the calendar.
They can sell the calendar and make additional profit from the sales.
Their only requirement is to stay within the physical requirements and be able to follow a basic dance routine.
They are not grinding 9-5 at a job.  They are a selected few that choose to participate in a part-time activity that has more perks than downsides.
If they don't like it they don't have to do it.
 
2014-01-29 01:56:13 PM  

BMulligan: I'm beginning to think that no one really understands what a Ponzi scheme is.


It's easy to explain, it's like fish in a barrel, my friend.Town's the fish, people are the barrel.
 
2014-01-29 02:03:41 PM  
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2014-01-29 02:16:11 PM  

degenerate-afro: relaxitsjustme: I'm sure they make bank showing up at all those car dealership/radio station/sell-a-thons

I think people still aren't understanding my point.

FTFDocumentation:
You must attend all home games and be at the stadium, prepared for practice (taped and in practice attire) at least five (@) hours before kickoff

 Generally, two (6) rehearsals will be scheduled weekly, however, the director, in conjunction with management, reserves the right to schedule additional practices as needed due to appearances, inclement weather conditions, or specific stadium activities.


Rehearsal dates and times are Tuesday and Thursday nights from 6:30 p.m. until 9:30 p.m. exact rehearsal hours may change at the discretion of the Ravens

So basically they spend 6 hours a week and 9 hours on Sundays (4 hours for the game and they show up 5 hours before the game) doing cheerleading.15 HOURS A WEEK IS NOT A CAREER.


"Not a career" is not the same as "It's a hobby, not a job".  No one is suggesting that it's a career.  They're saying it's an exploitative job.
 
2014-01-29 02:18:12 PM  

TheLopper: BMulligan: I'm beginning to think that no one really understands what a Ponzi scheme is.

It's easy to explain, it's like fish in a barrel, my friend.Town's the fish, people are the barrel.


ah...of course, now I see where I was going wrong.
 
2014-01-29 02:23:08 PM  
degenerate-afro:

They "work" 8 games a year.
They are also required to attend practices - which their own coaches and trainers sometimes don't even bother to attend - and team functions without getting paid

They get a bonus for playoffs games.
See above

They get $50 an hour for appearances.
While the team makes $250/hour from each cheerleader's appearance.

They get additional revenue if they are selected to be in the calendar.
Maybe. The article doesn't say anything about this.

They can sell the calendar and make additional profit from the sales.

After each cheerleader is required to buy 100 calendars at $12 a pop. Too bad if they can't sell all 100. The male cheerleaders are required to buy only 20, BTW.

Their only requirement is to stay within the physical requirements and be able to follow a basic dance routine.
Did you bother reading the article? There is a LOT more to it than that. And the "physical requirement" means that if you happen to gain two or three pounds over the season (even if you're still underweight) you're off the team.

They are not grinding 9-5 at a job.  They are a selected few that choose to participate in a part-time activity that has more perks than downsides.
Judging from the control the team insists on having over your life, the barely minimum wage pay (that barely covers the required costs), the bureaucracy, and the numerous double-standards (sexist and otherwise), it sounds to me like there are way more downsides than perks.

If they don't like it they don't have to do it.
Doesn't make it right.
 
2014-01-29 02:38:51 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Or they could just look up Bernie Madoff - he was pretty good at it. But yeah, there is nothing remotely resembling a ponzi scheme at work here. Subby may as well have said "an accordion in hot pants" or a "snow plow in hot pants" for all the sense that made.


To be fair, subby just quoted TFA.

/not subby
 
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