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2014-01-28 11:59:46 PM  
 
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2014-01-29 12:10:32 AM  
Well then why don't they close that one down and open up a new Delhi?
 
2014-01-29 12:13:11 AM  
Dehlis have the best NOx
 
2014-01-29 12:35:49 AM  
No, the pictures of China look much worse.
 
2014-01-29 12:37:09 AM  
 
2014-01-29 12:38:50 AM  
Just when you think you have a deal in China, you have the beginnings of a deal in China.

Just when you think you have a deal in India, you have the beginnings of a deal in your pants.
 
2014-01-29 12:41:39 AM  
Exhibit "A".
 
2014-01-29 12:44:28 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Dehlis have the best NOx


If Beijing's smog is so famous, how come it doesn't have its own reality show?
 
2014-01-29 12:50:22 AM  

cryinoutloud: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Dehlis have the best NOx

If Beijing's smog is so famous, how come it doesn't have its own reality show?


Dreck Dynasty?
 
2014-01-29 12:55:30 AM  

cryinoutloud: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Dehlis have the best NOx

If Beijing's smog is so famous, how come it doesn't have its own reality show?


Peking Duck Dynasty
 
2014-01-29 01:03:04 AM  
Too many flatulent cows?
 
2014-01-29 01:06:01 AM  
kinialohaguy.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-29 01:07:50 AM  
In Delhi the smog is 20% cremation smoke.
 
2014-01-29 01:15:16 AM  
What about Cleveland or Detroit?

/send him to Detroit!
 
2014-01-29 01:16:48 AM  
Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!
 
2014-01-29 01:22:37 AM  

Cyrusv10: Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!



I was gonna post "Therefore China gets yet another free pass..." but yours was better.
 
2014-01-29 01:22:55 AM  

Cyrusv10: Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!


Both sides are polluted so breathe America.
 
2014-01-29 01:23:52 AM  

Cyrusv10: Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!


America has successfully decoupled GDP from carbon production.

Some of that is by shipping carbon overseas, some of it is switching to computers, but a lot of it is actually fracking (Coal is nasty, natural gas is nasty, natural gas is sufficiently less nasty that using it on a large-scale basis is really awesome).
 
2014-01-29 01:25:22 AM  
Salt Lake City topped out just over 200 the other day.  Not as bad as Beijing or Delhi, but approaching that.  My daughter hasn't been allowed outside at recess for over a week now.
 
2014-01-29 01:26:28 AM  
That's what happens when third world countries try to bring a billion people to the middle class but have yet to master the concept of resource preservation or sanitation.
 
2014-01-29 01:28:51 AM  
Also, new rule: all future submission to paywall'd sites must have url to none paywall'd articles.

Here's a (hopefully) functioning link:  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/world/asia/beijings-air-would-be-s te p-up-for-smoggy-delhi.html?_r=0
 
2014-01-29 01:28:51 AM  

Cyrusv10: Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!


Come take in a nice fat breath of Wasatch Front smog, where just breathing is equivalent to smoking one cigarette a day, and tell me we shouldn't do something about pollution, asswipe.
 
2014-01-29 01:29:42 AM  
I flew over Beijing a few years ago and couldn't believe how bad the smog was - I could barely make out any structures on the ground. I grew up in L.A. in the 70s and 80s, and it was never that bad.
 
2014-01-29 01:30:56 AM  

Gig103: Almost as bad as the NYT pay wall.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-28/smog-in-new-delhi-is -w orse-than-in-beijing


OK, so I clicked the Yale EPI link in that article to find out why a "PM 2.5-fine particulate air pollution that poses a severe threat to human health " posed such a severe threat to human health, and I found nothing of the sort, instead I found a graphic labeling countries from best to worst on environmentalism based on how they've changed over the past few years... and the US got a 14.35 out of a hundred in forestation and a 3.34 in our fisheries... leading to our overall 33rd ranking.

Which is interesting that that would drive down our overall ranking as unlike the old world, the new world didn't obliterate our old forests and fisheries as thoroughly, meaning we don't have as much to rebound from... something about three types of lies.

Oh, and PM 2.5 means particulate matter 2.5 millimeters or less, which covers most bacteria and all viruses *the real reason the category is dangerous, not smog... and Smaug, while dangerous is way bigger than that.*
 
2014-01-29 01:34:17 AM  
micrometers not millimeters damnit.
 
2014-01-29 01:38:57 AM  

electricjebus: Gig103: Almost as bad as the NYT pay wall.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-28/smog-in-new-delhi-is -w orse-than-in-beijing

OK, so I clicked the Yale EPI link in that article to find out why a "PM 2.5-fine particulate air pollution that poses a severe threat to human health " posed such a severe threat to human health, and I found nothing of the sort, instead I found a graphic labeling countries from best to worst on environmentalism based on how they've changed over the past few years... and the US got a 14.35 out of a hundred in forestation and a 3.34 in our fisheries... leading to our overall 33rd ranking.

Which is interesting that that would drive down our overall ranking as unlike the old world, the new world didn't obliterate our old forests and fisheries as thoroughly, meaning we don't have as much to rebound from... something about three types of lies.

Oh, and PM 2.5 means particulate matter 2.5 millimeters or less, which covers most bacteria and all viruses *the real reason the category is dangerous, not smog... and Smaug, while dangerous is way bigger than that.*


http://www.epa.gov/pm/health.html
 
2014-01-29 01:42:47 AM  
QU!RK1019:

http://www.epa.gov/pm/health.html

Thank you, why couldn't the article have just linked to that.  Would have saved me looking like an ass.  But I still maintain that if the category contains viruses and bacteria, they're the bulk of why it's a severe health risk.
 
2014-01-29 01:44:35 AM  

QU!RK1019: Cyrusv10: Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!

Come take in a nice fat breath of Wasatch Front smog, where just breathing is equivalent to smoking one cigarette a day, and tell me we shouldn't do something about pollution, asswipe.


So, what should we do about it? What's the solution?
 
2014-01-29 01:47:02 AM  
Now now Beijing and Delhi there's enough smog for the both of you,  no need to fight.

/cough
//wheeze
 
2014-01-29 01:49:28 AM  
Anyone who has been to both could tell you that.  Delhi's air is foul.  There is still the tradition common throughout India of burning their trash on the sides of the roads each night, the tuk tuks leave a black soot everywhere, the cow dung everywhere dries out in the dry season and gets kicked up, and the whole north of India suffers from severe hyperindustrialisation, even far from the cities.  Delhi, being so concentrated, is the worst of what is generally a bad set of circumstances throughout the north (and to a lesser extent down south).  Anyone who spends some time there will be blowing black boogers at some point.

Beijing is bad, but it's just smog.  They have ozone problems and some smoke from their own factories, but you don't smell it.

Both countries are going through what the US did in the 1800's, with mostly unregulated factory growth to fuel their desperate economies, but China's centralized economy at least controls the distribution and spreads the pain around.  I am not the type that argues for centralized economic planning, but it is clear that when the choice is between these two extremes, the anything goes only concentrates the toxins, causes mass migrations, and is generally an unstable situation for health.
 
2014-01-29 01:50:09 AM  

electricjebus: QU!RK1019:

http://www.epa.gov/pm/health.html

Thank you, why couldn't the article have just linked to that.  Would have saved me looking like an ass.  But I still maintain that if the category contains viruses and bacteria, they're the bulk of why it's a severe health risk.


Maybe, I dunno. My assumption would be that the percentage of viable, harmful airborne bacteria and viruses would account for only a minuscule percentage of all particulate matter captured in a sample from Beijing, Delhi, or a Salt Lake. The reason they don't want you breathing air full of 2.5 pm isn't because you have an increased risk of infection, but because even inanimate 2.5 pm damages the lungs, and chemicals that fine are easily ingested into the blood stream. But that's just a guess.
 
2014-01-29 01:51:27 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: QU!RK1019: Cyrusv10: Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!

Come take in a nice fat breath of Wasatch Front smog, where just breathing is equivalent to smoking one cigarette a day, and tell me we shouldn't do something about pollution, asswipe.

So, what should we do about it? What's the solution?


Alternative energy and reduced consumption.
 
2014-01-29 01:55:20 AM  

ex0du5: Anyone who has been to both could tell you that.  Delhi's air is foul.  There is still the tradition common throughout India of burning their trash on the sides of the roads each night, the tuk tuks leave a black soot everywhere, the cow dung everywhere dries out in the dry season and gets kicked up, and the whole north of India suffers from severe hyperindustrialisation, even far from the cities.  Delhi, being so concentrated, is the worst of what is generally a bad set of circumstances throughout the north (and to a lesser extent down south).  Anyone who spends some time there will be blowing black boogers at some point.

Beijing is bad, but it's just smog.  They have ozone problems and some smoke from their own factories, but you don't smell it.

Both countries are going through what the US did in the 1800's, with mostly unregulated factory growth to fuel their desperate economies, but China's centralized economy at least controls the distribution and spreads the pain around.  I am not the type that argues for centralized economic planning, but it is clear that when the choice is between these two extremes, the anything goes only concentrates the toxins, causes mass migrations, and is generally an unstable situation for health.


Well, the other thing is that when the US industrialized our population wasn't in excess of a billion...

Ow! That was my feelings!:

So, what should we do about it? What's the solution?

Punch a Mormon in the gut, preferably in an upward motion.  That sort of pollution isn't even remotely necessary in that region, it's bad planning.
 
2014-01-29 01:55:30 AM  
QU!RK1019:
So, what should we do about it? What's the solution?

Alternative energy and reduced consumption.


What the f*ck are you on about?
 
2014-01-29 01:56:24 AM  

QU!RK1019: Ow! That was my feelings!: QU!RK1019: Cyrusv10: Bu....bu...bu...but...America is a terrible, oppressive polluter.  Someone should do something about American smog production!!

Come take in a nice fat breath of Wasatch Front smog, where just breathing is equivalent to smoking one cigarette a day, and tell me we shouldn't do something about pollution, asswipe.

So, what should we do about it? What's the solution?

Alternative energy and reduced consumption.


Riiiiiiight. Maybe you should just move your family out of a valley that naturally traps pollution, especially in the cold air of winter. We are generations away from carbon free energy, even without Asia crapping in our air.
 
2014-01-29 01:58:45 AM  

electricjebus: pm 2.5


Assuming you're being serious and want to learn, searching "pm2.5" gave me as the top result:
http://www.epa.gov/pmdesignations/faq.htm

Particles less than 10 micrometers in diameter (PM10) pose a health concern because they can be inhaled into and accumulate in the respiratory system. Particles less than 2.5 micrometers in diameter (PM2.5) are referred to as "fine" particles and are believed to pose the greatest health risks. Because of their small size (approximately 1/30th the average width of a human hair), fine particles can lodge deeply into the lungs.
 
2014-01-29 02:04:07 AM  
It's smelly in Delhi.
 
2014-01-29 02:05:15 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: We are generations away from carbon free energy, even without Asia crapping in our air.


Stupid Asians. Messing with our air.

This is 'Merica!

i1309.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-29 02:07:01 AM  
QU!RK1019:

Maybe, I dunno. My assumption would be that the percentage of viable, harmful airborne bacteria and viruses would account for only a minuscule percentage of all particulate matter captured in a sample from Beijing, Delhi, or a Salt Lake. The reason they don't want you breathing air full of 2.5 pm isn't because you have an increased risk of infection, but because even inanimate 2.5 pm damages the lungs, and chemicals that fine are easily ingested into the blood stream. But that's just a guess.

Viruses and bacteria play a part in a goddamn lot of human deaths.  I'm not advocating pollution, It's a bad thing, I just really wish that reporting on the subject would be more transparent and honest.  Smog causes enough problems on it's own, and there are scales to measure it, so I don't see why the article would use a scale that puts it in a category that includes unrelated viruses and bacteria, and then use that category to say why smog is a bad thing.

One of the greatest values of science is it's objectivity, when you sensationalize science in journalism you devalue it.
 
2014-01-29 02:08:26 AM  

TinyFist: Ow! That was my feelings!: We are generations away from carbon free energy, even without Asia crapping in our air.

Stupid Asians. Messing with our air.

This is 'Merica!

[i1309.photobucket.com image 400x300]


blogs.ocweekly.com
 
2014-01-29 02:10:08 AM  
If u think dehli's air is bad, I suggest you don't want to know about their water.
 
2014-01-29 02:12:22 AM  
Wake Up Sheeple:

Assuming you're being serious and want to learn, searching "pm2.5" gave me as the top result:
http://www.epa.gov/pmdesignations/faq.htm

Particles less than 10 micrometers in diameter (PM10) pose a health concern because they can be inhaled into and accumulate in the respiratory system. Particles less than 2.5 micrometers in diameter (PM2.5) are referred to as "fine" particles and are believed to pose the greatest health risks. Because of their small size (approximately 1/30th the average width of a human hair), fine particles can lodge deeply into the lungs.


Right, but when I googled why it's a severe health risk, what I found was viruses and bacteria.  I'm not claiming to have done a whole bunch of research on the subject, and I'm not claiming that pollution isn't a problem.  But that's besides the point I'm just saying that it's bad journalism to use that, and back it up with a link that has nothing to do with it.
 
2014-01-29 02:18:27 AM  
It'll be fine in the long-run. It'll toughen up the lungs.
 
2014-01-29 02:19:02 AM  
 
2014-01-29 02:22:36 AM  

Foxxinnia: It'll be fine in the long-run. It'll toughen up the lungs.


Heh, I imagine Humans in 500 years with massive lungs and chest cavities. We evolve to have triple the lung capacity to help filter the air. Actually, that is farking sad. sigh.
 
2014-01-29 02:22:49 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: No, the pictures of China look much worse.


Some of it is from the sands blown from the Gobi Desert.
 
2014-01-29 02:24:23 AM  

Fallout Boy: AverageAmericanGuy: No, the pictures of China look much worse.

Some of it is from the sands blown from the Gobi Desert.


Gobi sandy somewhere else!
 
2014-01-29 02:28:06 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Foxxinnia: It'll be fine in the long-run. It'll toughen up the lungs.

Heh, I imagine Humans in 500 years with massive lungs and chest cavities. We evolve to have triple the lung capacity to help filter the air. Actually, that is farking sad. sigh.


Nah, I'll have my HEPA filter lung technology worked out in the next 3-5 years.

You'll even be able to take up smoking again worry free. I'm already at a 20% survival rate just 3 years in.

*patent pending
 
2014-01-29 02:29:37 AM  
I don't care how many Chinese or Indian people die of lung cancer, I just want this to bring about real change.
We need a gritty reboot of Godzilla Vs. Hedorah right now!!!
 
2014-01-29 02:32:13 AM  
On the bright side, each country has over a billion pair of lungs actively filtering the air.
 
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