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2014-01-28 11:56:57 PM
Whenever a sequel/prequel has a major character who's a descendant/ancestor of a main character from the original, you know it's going to suck.
Data's Grandpa as the guy who made the Klingons use their forehead ridges.
that Young MacGyver pilot that had MacGyver's nephew working for the Phoenix foundation.
James Bond Junior (who was James Bond's nephew, so I'm not really sure "Junior" is accurate)
The kid from the Phantom Menace being Luke Skywalker's dad.
The white house between 2001 and 2009
etc

Just make some new characters.
 
2014-01-29 02:00:52 AM
So no video, just 6 pages of text?

If I wanted to read shiat, I'd hang out in the Politics tab instead of lurking in the WWE threads.
 
2014-01-29 04:27:59 AM

serial_crusher: Data's Grandpa as the guy who made the Klingons use their forehead ridges.


I actually thought it was a fairly clever way to explain away the differences from the original series.
 
2014-01-29 06:51:57 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: So no video, just 6 pages of text?

If I wanted to read shiat, I'd hang out in the Politics tab instead of lurking in the WWE threads.


TLDR is often the complain in Politics, but seldom used in SciFi. This is an exception.
 
2014-01-29 06:54:50 AM

log_jammin: serial_crusher: Data's Grandpa as the guy who made the Klingons use their forehead ridges.

I actually thought it was a fairly clever way to explain away the differences from the original series.


Worf saying, "We don't like to talk about it," at the end of that  wonderful DS9/TOS crossover episode, and leaving it at that, was way better.

Though, I did like the idea of the ancestor of Data's creator being a wacky geneticist.
 
2014-01-29 07:01:21 AM

drumhellar: Worf saying, "We don't like to talk about it," at the end of that  wonderful DS9/TOS crossover episode, and leaving it at that, was way better.


yeah, I did like that too.
 
2014-01-29 07:11:11 AM

drumhellar: log_jammin: serial_crusher: Data's Grandpa as the guy who made the Klingons use their forehead ridges.

I actually thought it was a fairly clever way to explain away the differences from the original series.

Worf saying, "We don't like to talk about it," at the end of that  wonderful DS9/TOS crossover episode, and leaving it at that, was way better.

Though, I did like the idea of the ancestor of Data's creator being a wacky geneticist.


Well of course... Genetics and robotics are so similar, so it makes perfect sense for someone to do groundbreaking, head of the field work in both.

/cough

Gotta agree with serial_crusher on the ancestor/descendant thing. It's a big universe out there with a gazillion beings in it... Having everyone important always be related to the same handful of people isn't just unlikely - it's lazy and stupid.
 
2014-01-29 07:15:32 AM
While I love Star Trek, even the reboot although not as much, it always bugged me that Earth, Romulus, and basically every home world and major planet was all but defenseless. No minefields, no fleets, no orbital defense platforms, no shields, no ground based weapons capable of attacking ships in orbit.

I remember in The Best of Both Worlds, Mars defense perimeter consisted of literally 3 shuttlecraft.

I don't see why you'd leave major population centers so vulnerable when a single starship can cause unfathomable destruction.

Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.
 
2014-01-29 07:27:20 AM

mongbiohazard: so it makes perfect sense for someone to do groundbreaking, head of the field work in both.


*nerd posture*

actually it was Arik Soong who was in Genetics. It was Noonian Soong who was in robotics, and created Data. two different people.
 
2014-01-29 07:28:55 AM

Enlightened Liberal: While I love Star Trek, even the reboot although not as much, it always bugged me that Earth, Romulus, and basically every home world and major planet was all but defenseless. No minefields, no fleets, no orbital defense platforms, no shields, no ground based weapons capable of attacking ships in orbit.

I remember in The Best of Both Worlds, Mars defense perimeter consisted of literally 3 shuttlecraft.

I don't see why you'd leave major population centers so vulnerable when a single starship can cause unfathomable destruction.

Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.


It's like future NASA, even though their ships are better nobody cares about space exploration.
 
2014-01-29 07:32:24 AM

Enlightened Liberal: I don't see why you'd leave major population centers so vulnerable when a single starship can cause unfathomable destruction.


Sounds like 9/11.
 
2014-01-29 07:38:01 AM
but since we've got decades' worth of Trek canon that takes place after it, we know things can only get so bad. The Romulans aren't going to destroy the Earth or exterminate the Vulcans. We know both sides survived that war, which led to the creation of the Neutral Zone.

Doesn't seem like a problem to me. In 95% of sci fi movies, we know the humans will win. The fun is in seeing HOW. Did anyone watch Independence Day and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch Star Trek IV and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch (gag) Fantastic Four 2 and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? I admit, Abrams got me with the destruction of Vulcan in the 2009 film, but was anyone actually worried that Nero was going to destroy Earth as well?
 
2014-01-29 07:39:26 AM
...Okay - I liked the reboot, and ID wasn't bad (could have been soooooooooooooooo much better though) - but had Abrams gone with this, he would have been like a God unto me.

/You may fire when ready
 
2014-01-29 07:43:34 AM

Enlightened Liberal: While I love Star Trek, even the reboot although not as much, it always bugged me that Earth, Romulus, and basically every home world and major planet was all but defenseless. No minefields, no fleets, no orbital defense platforms, no shields, no ground based weapons capable of attacking ships in orbit.

I remember in The Best of Both Worlds, Mars defense perimeter consisted of literally 3 shuttlecraft.

I don't see why you'd leave major population centers so vulnerable when a single starship can cause unfathomable destruction.

Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.


Well, at least in "Best of Both Worlds," 39 ships were lost at Wolf 359, which is one of the nearest stars to the Earth system.

But, yeah. Earth seems awfully defenseless an awful lot.
 
2014-01-29 08:04:45 AM

Enlightened Liberal: Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.


The whole "lone ship" thing is kinda silly, if you think about it. I mean, I know, FUTURE TECH and all, but realistically, ships operate in task groups for a  reason. For a lot of reasons, actually. I understand the dramatic logic behind it, but it's still silly. It worked fine in TOS, when the  Enterprise was out there exploring, but by TNG, the  Enterprise was mostly doing diplomatic missions and flag-waving.
 
2014-01-29 08:34:28 AM

Son of Thunder: but since we've got decades' worth of Trek canon that takes place after it, we know things can only get so bad. The Romulans aren't going to destroy the Earth or exterminate the Vulcans. We know both sides survived that war, which led to the creation of the Neutral Zone.

Doesn't seem like a problem to me. In 95% of sci fi movies, we know the humans will win. The fun is in seeing HOW. Did anyone watch Independence Day and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch Star Trek IV and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch (gag) Fantastic Four 2 and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? I admit, Abrams got me with the destruction of Vulcan in the 2009 film, but was anyone actually worried that Nero was going to destroy Earth as well?


For all the anger at Abrams for goofing with exsisting canon in the Trek we now know , this whole scenario better make them just as annoyed since NONE OF IT HAPPENED EITHER.
 
2014-01-29 08:35:04 AM

Enlightened Liberal: While I love Star Trek, even the reboot although not as much, it always bugged me that Earth, Romulus, and basically every home world and major planet was all but defenseless. No minefields, no fleets, no orbital defense platforms, no shields, no ground based weapons capable of attacking ships in orbit.

I remember in The Best of Both Worlds, Mars defense perimeter consisted of literally 3 shuttlecraft.

I don't see why you'd leave major population centers so vulnerable when a single starship can cause unfathomable destruction.

Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.



The Mars Defense Perimeter ships were unmanned drone bombs that are supposed to be able to destroy starships (so they're presumably shielded). Of course the Borg made short work of them like they did everything else Starfleet could throw at them. Presumably in the alternate timeline of the new films the more warlike stance of the Federation means that Earth has stronger defenses than in the original timeline, because for all the power of his ship, Nero goes to a lot of trouble getting the codes to shut down the defenses out of Pike. Why a starship captain would even know the codes to disable planetary defenses is another question entirely.
 
2014-01-29 08:41:35 AM

serial_crusher: Whenever a sequel/prequel has a major character who's a descendant/ancestor of a main character from the original, you know it's going to suck.
Data's Grandpa as the guy who made the Klingons use their forehead ridges.
that Young MacGyver pilot that had MacGyver's nephew working for the Phoenix foundation.
James Bond Junior (who was James Bond's nephew, so I'm not really sure "Junior" is accurate)
The kid from the Phantom Menace being Luke Skywalker's dad.
The white house between 2001 and 2009
etc

Just make some new characters.


LOL

That just made my day. Thanks :)
 
2014-01-29 08:41:46 AM

Enlightened Liberal: While I love Star Trek, even the reboot although not as much, it always bugged me that Earth, Romulus, and basically every home world and major planet was all but defenseless. No minefields, no fleets, no orbital defense platforms, no shields, no ground based weapons capable of attacking ships in orbit.

I remember in The Best of Both Worlds, Mars defense perimeter consisted of literally 3 shuttlecraft.

I don't see why you'd leave major population centers so vulnerable when a single starship can cause unfathomable destruction.

Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.


Yes, much like how the major metropolitan area you live near or in is surrounded by mines and anti-aircraft guns.

Hell, even on 9/11/2001 it took the Navy over six hours to get a ship to New York Harbor.

Most of the time in Star Trek the military is useless because the Big Dumb Object threatening Earth can swat away attackers like gnats. I can't really blame them for saying, "Dammit Jim, go find some whales to make this thing quit it."
 
2014-01-29 08:50:18 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Enlightened Liberal: While I love Star Trek, even the reboot although not as much, it always bugged me that Earth, Romulus, and basically every home world and major planet was all but defenseless. No minefields, no fleets, no orbital defense platforms, no shields, no ground based weapons capable of attacking ships in orbit.

I remember in The Best of Both Worlds, Mars defense perimeter consisted of literally 3 shuttlecraft.

I don't see why you'd leave major population centers so vulnerable when a single starship can cause unfathomable destruction.

Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.

Yes, much like how the major metropolitan area you live near or in is surrounded by mines and anti-aircraft guns.

Hell, even on 9/11/2001 it took the Navy over six hours to get a ship to New York Harbor.

Most of the time in Star Trek the military is useless because the Big Dumb Object threatening Earth can swat away attackers like gnats. I can't really blame them for saying, "Dammit Jim, go find some whales to make this thing quit it."


Also, if you're talking about TOS, i do believe most of the fleet was busy fighting some sort of war with the klingons?
 
2014-01-29 08:58:08 AM

Smoking GNU: Also, if you're talking about TOS, i do believe most of the fleet was busy fighting some sort of war with the klingons?


That was emphatically a  cold war. Through the TOS era there were no open wars, and that was by design. Roddenberry purposefully built a setting where war just basically didn't happen, or at least could be avoided through the courageous actions of our protagonists.
 
2014-01-29 09:01:46 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Son of Thunder: but since we've got decades' worth of Trek canon that takes place after it, we know things can only get so bad. The Romulans aren't going to destroy the Earth or exterminate the Vulcans. We know both sides survived that war, which led to the creation of the Neutral Zone.

Doesn't seem like a problem to me. In 95% of sci fi movies, we know the humans will win. The fun is in seeing HOW. Did anyone watch Independence Day and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch Star Trek IV and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch (gag) Fantastic Four 2 and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? I admit, Abrams got me with the destruction of Vulcan in the 2009 film, but was anyone actually worried that Nero was going to destroy Earth as well?

For all the anger at Abrams for goofing with exsisting canon in the Trek we now know , this whole scenario better make them just as annoyed since NONE OF IT HAPPENED EITHER.


I really liked the reboot universe. After I saw the newest one, I stupidly looked for other people's thoughts on the movie. There was a large number of people who could not get into these movies because these movies "didn't really happen," and that they want to get the real star trek movies back. It is almost as if they treat these movies as some sort of weird future history.

What a strange critique of the movie. Nothing about the merits; just that they couldn't get into it because it didn't actually happen. My mind has been blown.
 
2014-01-29 09:06:34 AM

t3knomanser: Smoking GNU: Also, if you're talking about TOS, i do believe most of the fleet was busy fighting some sort of war with the klingons?

That was emphatically a  cold war. Through the TOS era there were no open wars, and that was by design. Roddenberry purposefully built a setting where war just basically didn't happen, or at least could be avoided through the courageous actions of our protagonists.


No wonder DS9 was my favourite series of the lot.
 
2014-01-29 09:08:09 AM

serial_crusher: Whenever a sequel/prequel has a major character who's a descendant/ancestor of a main character from the original, you know it's going to suck.
Data's Grandpa as the guy who made the Klingons use their forehead ridges.
that Young MacGyver pilot that had MacGyver's nephew working for the Phoenix foundation.
James Bond Junior (who was James Bond's nephew, so I'm not really sure "Junior" is accurate)
The kid from the Phantom Menace being Luke Skywalker's dad.
The white house between 2001 and 2009
etc

Just make some new characters.


The exception to this rule is "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".  Sadly they reinstated the rule when they had "Indiana Jones and the Movie we made to shut people up about another Indiana Jones movie" with aliens in it.
 
2014-01-29 09:11:48 AM

Smoking GNU: No wonder DS9 was my favourite series of the lot


Whereas that's why I really dislike it. I think TOS struck a perfect balance between a realistic and idealistic world, even if it would drift into fairly daft stories (and relied too heavily on the "Humans are being judged by a power far beyond them" trope). TNG spent too much time  talking about things (and with the exception of Data, had the most boring characters ever). DS9 drifted too far away from the ethos that made TOS great. VOY and ENT were just incompetent for very different reasons.
 
2014-01-29 09:17:38 AM

t3knomanser: fairly daft stories


www.toplessrobot.com


Fairly daft?
 
2014-01-29 09:28:36 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: t3knomanser: fairly daft stories

[www.toplessrobot.com image 396x300]


Fairly daft?


Man, it was the 60s. Everybody was high on tranya.
 
2014-01-29 09:34:23 AM

t3knomanser: Enlightened Liberal: Also, "we're the only starship in range" when they're in a major system, like Sol. Stop it.

The whole "lone ship" thing is kinda silly, if you think about it. I mean, I know, FUTURE TECH and all, but realistically, ships operate in task groups for a  reason. For a lot of reasons, actually. I understand the dramatic logic behind it, but it's still silly. It worked fine in TOS, when the  Enterprise was out there exploring, but by TNG, the  Enterprise was mostly doing diplomatic missions and flag-waving.


It is in line with the TV trope where the lone cop enters a building first and without backup. Not realistic and lazy way to manufacture drama.
 
2014-01-29 09:56:31 AM

log_jammin: mongbiohazard: so it makes perfect sense for someone to do groundbreaking, head of the field work in both.

*nerd posture*

actually it was Arik Soong who was in Genetics. It was Noonian Soong who was in robotics, and created Data. two different people.


You are, of course, correct, but I have to wonder whether the nerd posture involves one's voice sounding as if it's muffled in a length of colon.
 
2014-01-29 09:59:29 AM

Valiente: log_jammin: mongbiohazard: so it makes perfect sense for someone to do groundbreaking, head of the field work in both.

*nerd posture*

actually it was Arik Soong who was in Genetics. It was Noonian Soong who was in robotics, and created Data. two different people.

You are, of course, correct, but I have to wonder whether the nerd posture involves one's voice sounding as if it's muffled in a length of colon.


No, that's *politics posture*.
 
2014-01-29 10:11:11 AM

Smoking GNU: t3knomanser: Smoking GNU: Also, if you're talking about TOS, i do believe most of the fleet was busy fighting some sort of war with the klingons?

That was emphatically a  cold war. Through the TOS era there were no open wars, and that was by design. Roddenberry purposefully built a setting where war just basically didn't happen, or at least could be avoided through the courageous actions of our protagonists.

No wonder DS9 was my favourite series of the lot.


I'm in that minority as well. All the political conniving and espionage seemed more representative of how things would actually work out in a small part of the Galaxy in which about fifty intelligent humanoid species exist at roughly the same level of technological prowess. I mean, if you buy that, you'll buy anything. So the wheels within wheels of DS9 provided a slight antidote to "WTF? These guys have warp drive, too?" Space is very, very big, but time is, too: we've gone from "try these, it's called "bronze" and it's totally better than flint!" to "Space probe enters heliopause" in about 5,000 years, i.e. an eyeblink.

If intelligent life is out there, it's either so far behind us to be treated as specimens we should probably not manifest in front of (Prime Directive logic) or so far ahead of us that we ourselves won't identify as intelligent or perhaps even as life, assuming they also aren't hiding from poo-flingers such as ourselves.

Of course, it makes better drama to put a forehead ridge on a haughty hot chick in a catsuit and call 'em an alien. The TNG episode "The Chase", which was widely hated for some reason, was the only episode that treated in even a laughingly implausible, retconned way why most of the "teams" in the various quadrant look like humans with make-up on, to the point where some of them can hybridize, or at least Kirk can fark 'em.

I think the "Tiberius Chase" (heh) concept is fun adventure time, but there have been better ideas in the TV shows.
 
2014-01-29 10:11:53 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Valiente: log_jammin: mongbiohazard: so it makes perfect sense for someone to do groundbreaking, head of the field work in both.

*nerd posture*

actually it was Arik Soong who was in Genetics. It was Noonian Soong who was in robotics, and created Data. two different people.

You are, of course, correct, but I have to wonder whether the nerd posture involves one's voice sounding as if it's muffled in a length of colon.

No, that's *politics posture*.


*muffled* My mistake! *muffled*
 
2014-01-29 10:13:46 AM

Falstaff: The exception to this rule is "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".  Sadly they reinstated the rule when they had "Indiana Jones and the Movie we made to shut people up about another Indiana Jones movie" with aliens in it.


That movie was bad, really bad, but not because of the aliens.  The other three had outright magic and ghosts in them so aliens fit right into the films.
 
2014-01-29 10:24:57 AM

Egoy3k: Falstaff: The exception to this rule is "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".  Sadly they reinstated the rule when they had "Indiana Jones and the Movie we made to shut people up about another Indiana Jones movie" with aliens in it.

That movie was bad, really bad, but not because of the aliens.  The other three had outright magic and ghosts in them so aliens fit right into the films.


THAT.

Open up an ancient artifact and everyone who looks at i has their face meleted? No problem.

Pull a man's hear out of his chest while he looks at it (also voodoo is effective)? Sure!

Drink from a cup that grants you eternal life? OK!

Introduce Aliens as a thing? OMG MY CHILDHOOD IS RAPED!
 
2014-01-29 10:26:51 AM
Didn't read tfa but...

While I hate what Abrahms did with Star Trek, I have to admit he probably saved the franchise that I know and love. The worst part, THE WORST part of Star Trek in TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise was that stupid ass time war. I hated those dumb ass episodes. What a terrible plot line. And because Enterprise was set preKirk, from what i understand it essentially ruined the timeline.  Well...... not considering the finale which I just don't care about.

Ok, the absolute worst part were the f-ing Chakote episodes in Voyager...... "The ancient wisdom of my people....." Chakote was like a cross between a Native American, a douchebag surfer and a zen Buddhist, but with face tattoos. I hated his episodes. And don't get me started on Neelix.
 
2014-01-29 10:28:11 AM

Dangl1ng: And because Enterprise was set preKirk, from what i understand it essentially ruined the timeline


You understand incorrectly. They do not goof up canon.
 
2014-01-29 10:28:55 AM

Jim from Saint Paul: Egoy3k: Falstaff: The exception to this rule is "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".  Sadly they reinstated the rule when they had "Indiana Jones and the Movie we made to shut people up about another Indiana Jones movie" with aliens in it.

That movie was bad, really bad, but not because of the aliens.  The other three had outright magic and ghosts in them so aliens fit right into the films.

THAT.

Open up an ancient artifact and everyone who looks at i has their face meleted? No problem.

Pull a man's hear out of his chest while he looks at it (also voodoo is effective)? Sure!

Drink from a cup that grants you eternal life? OK!

Introduce Aliens as a thing? OMG MY CHILDHOOD IS RAPED!


I didn't mind the aliens or the nuke proof fridge. LaBeef swinging through the jungle on shoddy CGI vines and monkeys. Now my childhood has been raped.
 
2014-01-29 10:30:44 AM

hausman007: Jim from Saint Paul: Egoy3k: Falstaff: The exception to this rule is "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".  Sadly they reinstated the rule when they had "Indiana Jones and the Movie we made to shut people up about another Indiana Jones movie" with aliens in it.

That movie was bad, really bad, but not because of the aliens.  The other three had outright magic and ghosts in them so aliens fit right into the films.

THAT.

Open up an ancient artifact and everyone who looks at i has their face meleted? No problem.

Pull a man's hear out of his chest while he looks at it (also voodoo is effective)? Sure!

Drink from a cup that grants you eternal life? OK!

Introduce Aliens as a thing? OMG MY CHILDHOOD IS RAPED!

I didn't mind the aliens or the nuke proof fridge. LaBeef swinging through the jungle on shoddy CGI vines and monkeys. Now my childhood has been raped.


You have a very sensitive childhood.
 
2014-01-29 10:32:04 AM

hausman007: Jim from Saint Paul: Egoy3k: Falstaff: The exception to this rule is "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade".  Sadly they reinstated the rule when they had "Indiana Jones and the Movie we made to shut people up about another Indiana Jones movie" with aliens in it.

That movie was bad, really bad, but not because of the aliens.  The other three had outright magic and ghosts in them so aliens fit right into the films.

THAT.

Open up an ancient artifact and everyone who looks at i has their face meleted? No problem.

Pull a man's hear out of his chest while he looks at it (also voodoo is effective)? Sure!

Drink from a cup that grants you eternal life? OK!

Introduce Aliens as a thing? OMG MY CHILDHOOD IS RAPED!

I didn't mind the aliens or the nuke proof fridge. LaBeef swinging through the jungle on shoddy CGI vines and monkeys. Now my childhood has been raped.


Yeah that part sucked.  The really bad part is he's not terrible in everything but he is in a lot of terrible movies.  He needs to fire his agent.
 
2014-01-29 10:47:48 AM
This sounds a bit like another Trek premise. Set far into the future where Vulcan, having unified with the Romulans, have left a Federation which has dwindled down to a mere handful of worlds by then, and a future descendent of Kirk assumes the Captain's chair to help re-establish order in a growing chaos.
 
2014-01-29 11:26:56 AM

TV's Vinnie: This sounds a bit like another Trek premise. Set far into the future where Vulcan, having unified with the Romulans, have left a Federation which has dwindled down to a mere handful of worlds by then, and a future descendent of Kirk assumes the Captain's chair to help re-establish order in a growing chaos.


Sooooo... "Andromeda".
 
2014-01-29 11:28:25 AM
Despite being a lifelong fan, I wasn't horrified by the Abrams reboot.  I was all-in on the new timeline opening up all these new possibilities.

So what do they do for the second act? Go directly back to the TOS well for a villain that already existed.  When I found that out, my excitement for seeing it quickly faded.  Still haven't seen it, and I'm in no hurry to.
 
2014-01-29 11:48:25 AM

t3knomanser: TV's Vinnie: This sounds a bit like another Trek premise. Set far into the future where Vulcan, having unified with the Romulans, have left a Federation which has dwindled down to a mere handful of worlds by then, and a future descendent of Kirk assumes the Captain's chair to help re-establish order in a growing chaos.

Sooooo... "Andromeda".


KEVIN SORBO FTW.
 
2014-01-29 12:00:05 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: t3knomanser: TV's Vinnie: This sounds a bit like another Trek premise. Set far into the future where Vulcan, having unified with the Romulans, have left a Federation which has dwindled down to a mere handful of worlds by then, and a future descendent of Kirk assumes the Captain's chair to help re-establish order in a growing chaos.

Sooooo... "Andromeda".

KEVIN SORBO FTW.


Oh, there was a guy in that show?
www.chaoticshrine.com
 
2014-01-29 12:07:36 PM

Valiente: Jim from Saint Paul: t3knomanser: TV's Vinnie: This sounds a bit like another Trek premise. Set far into the future where Vulcan, having unified with the Romulans, have left a Federation which has dwindled down to a mere handful of worlds by then, and a future descendent of Kirk assumes the Captain's chair to help re-establish order in a growing chaos.

Sooooo... "Andromeda".

KEVIN SORBO FTW.

Oh, there was a guy in that show?


It's good to be the Daniel Jackson
 
2014-01-29 12:12:39 PM

My favorite alternate universe version of Star Trek.


classicgold.webs.com
 
2014-01-29 12:54:46 PM
My two year old son's name is Tiberius, so it's safe to call me a fan of Star Trek.

While the reboot films were enjoyable, I felt they were just action sci-fi films with characters named Kirk, Spock and McCoy on a ship named Enterprise. Very little of what makes Star Trek Star Trek was in those films.

The concept from the article is very intriguing. I had hoped that Enterprise would be able to delve into the Romulan War. Manny Coto did some fine work in the fourth season, and I felt he could have made it different enough than to just be a rehash of DS9's Dominion War.
 
2014-01-29 01:35:03 PM
Son of Thunder:

Doesn't seem like a problem to me. In 95% of sci fi movies, we know the humans will win. The fun is in seeing HOW. Did anyone watch Independence Day and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch Star Trek IV and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? Did anyone watch (gag) Fantastic Four 2 and actually worry that Earth might get destroyed? I admit, Abrams got me with the destruction of Vulcan in the 2009 film, but was anyone actually worried that Nero was going to destroy Earth as well?

Yeah, that's unfortunate, especially since you may have different expectations depending on what you watched as a kid.
 
2014-01-29 03:13:37 PM

Nexzus: My two year old son's name is Tiberius,


Well that was mean of you.
 
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