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2014-01-28 08:19:47 PM  
Don't worry all you feet draggers.  The Department of Homeland Security will have the gulag set up by the end of March so you can be moved to permanent quarters.
 
2014-01-28 08:37:59 PM  
I'm on the "Obamacare will establish death panels to kill old people" side....am I right?
 
2014-01-28 08:40:41 PM  
I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.
 
2014-01-28 08:48:49 PM  
WTF is Spundge?
 
2014-01-28 08:54:21 PM  
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166982/uninsured-rate-shows-initial-declin e -2014.aspx

you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones

no really, if you are that foolish, you need to suffer
 
2014-01-28 08:57:40 PM  
I'm on the "sh*t, I STILL can't afford this" side
 
2014-01-28 09:02:15 PM  

GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.


/awesome
 
2014-01-28 09:08:56 PM  

Prey4reign: Don't worry all you feet draggers.  The Department of Homeland Security will have the gulag set up by the end of March so you can be moved to permanent quarters.


Typical projection from fans of the  last administration,
 
2014-01-28 09:18:23 PM  

namatad: GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.

/awesome


Yeah, it is- especially when you have a chronic medical condition. :)
 
2014-01-28 11:35:25 PM  
Seems like asking people in a poll if they have health insurance is an oddly tangential way of just getting at the same numbers HHS releases. They have released the number of enrollees and the age breakdowns; what more does this poll add?
 
2014-01-28 11:36:42 PM  

GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.


The value of this, repeated a few million times thus far, cannot be under-estimated.
 
2014-01-28 11:39:13 PM  

namatad: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166982/uninsured-rate-shows-initial-declin e -2014.aspx

you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones

no really, if you are that foolish, you need to suffer


Yeah but you can't afford health insurance and a Porsche. Sacrifices must be made
 
2014-01-28 11:44:52 PM  
THEY NEED TO KILL THIS TERRIBLE ADEQUATE HEALTHCARE REFORM BEFORE WE ALL DIE!
 
2014-01-28 11:50:59 PM  
Sorry, pretty sure "the numbers" don't validate your utter butthurt over ACA.
 
2014-01-28 11:52:13 PM  
All I know is my gut says "maybe".
 
2014-01-28 11:55:24 PM  
In Texas we have many conservative lowlife's causing problems. When can I death panel them?
 
2014-01-28 11:56:01 PM  

fusillade762: All I know is my gut says "maybe".


If I don't make it, tell my wife I said hello.
 
2014-01-28 11:56:49 PM  

maniacbastard: In Texas we have many conservative lowlife's causing problems. When can I death panel them?


Make sure it's made out mesquite. Crackles nicely in the fire.
 
2014-01-28 11:57:02 PM  

GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.


If you can afford the deductible, yeah.
 
2014-01-28 11:58:13 PM  

clowncar on fire: GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.

If you can afford the deductible, yeah.


Zero is a lot.
 
2014-01-29 12:04:11 AM  
Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.
 
2014-01-29 12:04:28 AM  
On the upside, my old catastrophic plan has been converted to a Bronze plan and the rates actually went down $10.00/mo.

On the downside, my GP who ran his own clinic very near my house, decided to give it up upon the laws implementation and move to one of the giant corporate providers.

I could have still seen him, but it's something of a haul.
 
2014-01-29 12:07:22 AM  

clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.


Dude, read between the lines. I'm below the poverty level. You should count your blessings.
 
2014-01-29 12:07:41 AM  
I hope I can finally get this weeping sore on my penis taken care of now.  It hurts.
 
2014-01-29 12:12:29 AM  

whidbey: clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.

Dude, read between the lines. I'm below the poverty level. You should count your blessings.


-It's sad when you work at a hospital and they can't find a way to provide their own employees reduced healthcare :(  My kid gets a better discount working at Hollister.
 
2014-01-29 12:18:19 AM  
"prove"
 
2014-01-29 12:24:28 AM  

Triple Oak: "prove"


That's the nice thing about strangers- you don't even feel the need to prove a thing to them.  But if you feel that strong about the issue- gis Hollister employee benefits or some such.  As to the increase in my deductible, I'm probably not the first to make this claim and probably won't be the last.  I don't have the means (one of the last humans on earth  to not own a scanner) nor the ambition to back up my claim as it really wouldn't matter to you anyhow.
 
2014-01-29 12:25:02 AM  

clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.


I was browsing through the FL ACA plans on healthcare.gov and the difference between the Bronze plan (with a high deductible and almost everything coming out of pocket up to it) and the Platinum plan (with a reasonable deductible and low or $0 copays on almost everything so the deductible wouldn't really come into play anyway) is only $100/month.  The overall cost for the Bronze was a little higher than I'd like it to be, but for as cheap as it was to move to the Platinum where the coverage is great, it seems like a no-brainer.

Of course, in the end it turned out I didn't need to deal with it anyway since I switched employers and the new one has a kickass health plan that's less than the exchange bronze (after employer contribution) but overall I was impressed with the options on the exchange.
 
2014-01-29 12:25:13 AM  

clowncar on fire: Triple Oak: "prove"

That's the nice thing about strangers- you don't even feel the need to prove a thing to them.  But if you feel that strong about the issue- gis Hollister employee benefits or some such.  As to the increase in my deductible, I'm probably not the first to make this claim and probably won't be the last.  I don't have the means (one of the last humans on earth  to not own a scanner) nor the ambition to back up my claim as it really wouldn't matter to you anyhow.


Yeah but you're on Trollwatch. Big difference.
 
2014-01-29 12:28:00 AM  

clowncar on fire: whidbey: clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.

Dude, read between the lines. I'm below the poverty level. You should count your blessings.

-It's sad when you work at a hospital and they can't find a way to provide their own employees reduced healthcare :(  My kid gets a better discount working at Hollister.


Be thankful your kid works corporate.

I'm 30 and I've never even sniffed a check-up since I was 17.

Lord knows how many innocent girls in high-school and college I might have pumped full of AIDS or some other STD.

/casts a new lure
 
2014-01-29 12:29:11 AM  
Do fleshlights get AIDS?

*ducks*
 
2014-01-29 12:32:05 AM  

whidbey: clowncar on fire: Triple Oak: "prove"

That's the nice thing about strangers- you don't even feel the need to prove a thing to them.  But if you feel that strong about the issue- gis Hollister employee benefits or some such.  As to the increase in my deductible, I'm probably not the first to make this claim and probably won't be the last.  I don't have the means (one of the last humans on earth  to not own a scanner) nor the ambition to back up my claim as it really wouldn't matter to you anyhow.

Yeah but you're on Trollwatch. Big difference.



Being a conservative on a progressive leaning site will earn you that title.  Due to the limited population of conservative posters, I tend to post a little more often then I should just to pick up the slack.
 
2014-01-29 12:34:37 AM  

whidbey: Do fleshlights get AIDS?
*ducks*


You probably shouldn't share, even if all your friends really, really like her.
 
2014-01-29 12:36:44 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: WTF is Spundge?


It means "it's a great idea but possibly not and I'm not being indecisive."
 
2014-01-29 12:41:36 AM  

Mithiwithi: HaywoodJablonski: WTF is Spundge?

It means "it's a great idea but possibly not and I'm not being indecisive."


Sort of a wait and see approach. Or maybe not.
 
2014-01-29 12:45:14 AM  

whidbey: clowncar on fire: Triple Oak: "prove"

That's the nice thing about strangers- you don't even feel the need to prove a thing to them.  But if you feel that strong about the issue- gis Hollister employee benefits or some such.  As to the increase in my deductible, I'm probably not the first to make this claim and probably won't be the last.  I don't have the means (one of the last humans on earth  to not own a scanner) nor the ambition to back up my claim as it really wouldn't matter to you anyhow.

Yeah but you're on Trollwatch. Big difference.



I peeked at your profile- seem to be quite the bike fan.  Just curious into the nature of cyclists:  Did you pick up riding the bike on your own or get help from parents or friends?  Working on a theory.
 
2014-01-29 12:58:41 AM  

DamnYankees: what more does this poll add?


They're SERIOUS POLLSTERS and this information is VERY IMPORTANT!

Just ask them!
 
2014-01-29 01:01:41 AM  
After I got my free Obamacare, I just quit working. Now I'm living like a Socialist blood sucker on the fat ass of David Koch.Good times.
 
2014-01-29 01:29:17 AM  

clowncar on fire: -It's sad when you work at a hospital and they can't find a way to provide their own employees reduced healthcare :( My kid gets a better discount working at Hollister.


Let me guess: for-profit hospital?  Then that's makes you "part of the problem".

/given that your kid works for part of the Abecrombie & Fitch empire, that makes them "part of the problem", too,
 
2014-01-29 01:39:03 AM  

GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.


Same here. Feels farking great too.

namatad:you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones


This times a brazillian. The people that are the most "screwed" by the ACA seem to be those who to little to no responsibility prior.
 
2014-01-29 01:45:08 AM  
I'm on the "This doesn't affect me directly because I have insurance through my employer, but because I'm capable of feeling empathy for my fellow man I'm glad that the uninsured will now be able to afford insurance" side.
 
2014-01-29 01:51:21 AM  
You can't spell Denver Post without DERP.

/That was the only thing I could think of when I read this
 
2014-01-29 01:54:15 AM  
I'm on the, "I'm gainfully employed and have a nice insurance plan, but I recognize there are many other human beings out there who are not as fortunate and having seen other people suffer unnecessarily due to how things were before, I could never in good conscience attempt to revert the law back to how it was previously without feeling like a monster. I don't care if my paycheck is lighter, if my taxes are heavier, or if I end up sending my grandmother to a death panel, other human beings are suffering and I want to see it stopped." line of things.
 
2014-01-29 02:07:19 AM  

GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.


F*ck yeah.
 
2014-01-29 02:53:48 AM  

Prey4reign: Don't worry all you feet draggers.  The Department of Homeland Security will have the gulag set up by the end of March so you can be moved to permanent quarters.


I love a good tasty gulag.
 
2014-01-29 03:05:50 AM  

Prey4reign: Don't worry all you feet draggers.  The Department of Homeland Security will have the gulag set up by the end of March so you can be moved to permanent quarters.


img.fark.net
 
2014-01-29 03:35:05 AM  

namatad: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166982/uninsured-rate-shows-initial-declin e -2014.aspx

you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones

no really, if you are that foolish, you need to suffer


This doesn't apply to me, but this is silly and needlessly cruel in nature. If you honestly feel that way you need a break from the Internet to regain your humanity.  90 thousand a year isn't billions or even millions of dollars, and in fact, it's jack shiat to many people who are decent, work hard and are responsible and are not buying new cars every year and so forth.

Get some humanity.   Your opinion of a person without insurance can be anything, but it's stupid of you to assume the circumstances of others, e.i, that they make 90K a year means they can pay insurance.

Maybe they have their money earmarked already to help their elderly grandmother, father, or mother?

Don't be such a prick.
 
2014-01-29 03:46:53 AM  

clowncar on fire: GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.

If you can afford the deductible, yeah.


Given that pre-ACA, the premium would have been $3k/month and now it's less than $300/month with NO deductible, and a max out-of-pocket of a couple thousand, I think I'm happy.

/just sayin'
 
2014-01-29 03:49:22 AM  

walktoanarcade: namatad: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166982/uninsured-rate-shows-initial-declin e -2014.aspx

you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones

no really, if you are that foolish, you need to suffer

This doesn't apply to me, but this is silly and needlessly cruel in nature. If you honestly feel that way you need a break from the Internet to regain your humanity.  90 thousand a year isn't billions or even millions of dollars, and in fact, it's jack shiat to many people who are decent, work hard and are responsible and are not buying new cars every year and so forth.

Get some humanity.   Your opinion of a person without insurance can be anything, but it's stupid of you to assume the circumstances of others, e.i, that they make 90K a year means they can pay insurance.

Maybe they have their money earmarked already to help their elderly grandmother, father, or mother?

Don't be such a prick.


Nobody has enough money to not have health insurance unless they can't get it, or are stupid beyond belief.

There's just no excuse to not have some kind of health insurance unless you can't get it or are stupid beyond belief.

And I say this as someone who has been turned down for insurance for the past 20+ years except when I have employee insurance, and I've been dancing in the streets since Jan 1, 2014 rolled around. At this point, I don't even care how much I have to pay

If you could afford insurance and choose not to, then you're stupid beyond belief, and I refuse to listen to any other excuse you might have, except rank stupidity. Try living in terror of hospitalization, car accidents or catastrophic illness for a couple of decades, and then come tell me how much money you need for your aged parents and how much good you'll be able to do them when you're crippled or dead.
 
2014-01-29 03:50:00 AM  

whidbey: Zero is a lot.


SRSLY.

Picked up my new blood sugar meter, 3 months worth of test strips, etc, plus almost a year's supply of one of my insulins for about $100.

In all seriousness, THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2014-01-29 04:19:48 AM  

Weatherkiss: I'm on the, "I'm gainfully employed and have a nice insurance plan, but I recognize there are many other human beings out there who are not as fortunate and having seen other people suffer unnecessarily due to how things were before, I could never in good conscience attempt to revert the law back to how it was previously without feeling like a monster. I don't care if my paycheck is lighter, if my taxes are heavier, or if I end up sending my grandmother to a death panel, other human beings are suffering and I want to see it stopped. I also hope that because more people are insured eventually healthcare costs will go down to balance things out a bit. May not happen but I hope" line of things


I am on this side with a the final thought in bold
 
2014-01-29 04:37:51 AM  
I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries, will everyone have to stop using definite articles before the word "hospital" like they do in Europe?

Such as, "Bill was hit by a large truck, and taken to hospital." "Roger is recovering in hospital from his skiing accident."

It seems like it would take some getting used to. I fear change such as this.
 
2014-01-29 05:13:29 AM  

walktoanarcade: namatad: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166982/uninsured-rate-shows-initial-declin e -2014.aspx

you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones

no really, if you are that foolish, you need to suffer

This doesn't apply to me, but this is silly and needlessly cruel in nature. If you honestly feel that way you need a break from the Internet to regain your humanity.  90 thousand a year isn't billions or even millions of dollars, and in fact, it's jack shiat to many people who are decent, work hard and are responsible and are not buying new cars every year and so forth.

Get some humanity.   Your opinion of a person without insurance can be anything, but it's stupid of you to assume the circumstances of others, e.i, that they make 90K a year means they can pay insurance.

Maybe they have their money earmarked already to help their elderly grandmother, father, or mother?

Don't be such a prick.


Yeah. That's pretty close to what I make, and I run out of hookers and blow pretty regularly.
 
2014-01-29 05:17:19 AM  

Conservative Humor: I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries, will everyone have to stop using definite articles before the word "hospital" like they do in Europe?

Such as, "Bill was hit by a large truck, and taken to hospital." "Roger is recovering in hospital from his skiing accident."

It seems like it would take some getting used to. I fear change such as this.


As long as the doctors and nurses still have to go to university before they can practice, I'm good with it.

Oh, noes! I'm turning into a socialist!
 
2014-01-29 05:37:47 AM  
I'd rather not be able to go to good doctors than go to doctors who can't doctor properly because the government is all up ins.
 
2014-01-29 05:47:09 AM  

clowncar on fire: Did you pick up riding the bike on your own or get help from parents or friends?  Working on a theory.


I dunno, but I'm starting to think that you and m00 should get together and form an Evil Empire™.
 
2014-01-29 06:14:32 AM  

Conservative Humor: I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries, will everyone have to stop using definite articles before the word "hospital" like they do in Europe?

Such as, "Bill was hit by a large truck, and taken to hospital." "Roger is recovering in hospital from his skiing accident."

It seems like it would take some getting used to. I fear change such as this.


Under socialism one's sojourn in a hospital is indefinite.
 
2014-01-29 06:15:09 AM  
I honestly can't imagine how weird it must be to live in a country where healthcare is optional/income dependent, rather than just the standard bedrock.

/the NHS has saved the lives of many of my family, and no-one has ever seen a bill.
//threatening cutting funding to the NHS is how governments in the UK stop being governments, very quickly.
 
2014-01-29 06:17:50 AM  

whidbey: clowncar on fire: Did you pick up riding the bike on your own or get help from parents or friends?  Working on a theory.

I dunno, but I'm starting to think that you and m00 should get together and form an Evil Empire™.


Not sure about that. In order to have power, you'll need your worshippers to stop dying left and right. Maybe some type of healthcare.
 
2014-01-29 06:29:06 AM  

clowncar on fire: GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.

If you can afford the deductible, yeah.


Hey, glad you've noticed health insurance has sucked for many of us for years... if only there was some other solution... maybe one the rest of the civilized world uses...
 
2014-01-29 06:31:51 AM  

Prey4reign: Don't worry all you feet draggers.  The Department of Homeland Security will have the gulag set up by the end of March so you can be moved to permanent quarters.


Yeah, but I bet the flogging stations won't be ready the first month, I hear they outsourced that!
 
2014-01-29 06:40:03 AM  

Bungles: I honestly can't imagine how weird it must be to live in a country where healthcare is optional/income dependent, rather than just the standard bedrock.

/the NHS has saved the lives of many of my family, and no-one has ever seen a bill.
//threatening cutting funding to the NHS is how governments in the UK stop being governments, very quickly.


the govts in the US are beholden to the rich and not the voters. the rich control the media and the populace.
 
2014-01-29 06:40:47 AM  
One need only look to Massachusetts to see how it will play out...

In a few years, the majority of people will have some sort of coverage and most people will be happy with their health insurance.

I was on MAhealth for three years, and it was basically the best insurance I've ever had.


And boy, will all the GOP hand-wringing and hair pulling over this look even sillier than it does now.
 
2014-01-29 06:41:10 AM  

Stile4aly: I'm on the "This doesn't affect me directly because I have insurance through my employer, but because I'm capable of feeling empathy for my fellow man I'm glad that the uninsured will now be able to afford insurance" side.


If you are feeling empathy and have health insurance, you can presumably get a pill to fix that.

/consult your doctor
//side effects may include shortness of breath, tiredness, heart attacks, and voting Republican
 
2014-01-29 06:49:04 AM  

Hobodeluxe: Bungles: I honestly can't imagine how weird it must be to live in a country where healthcare is optional/income dependent, rather than just the standard bedrock.

/the NHS has saved the lives of many of my family, and no-one has ever seen a bill.
//threatening cutting funding to the NHS is how governments in the UK stop being governments, very quickly.

the govts in the US are beholden to the rich and not the voters. the rich control the media and the populace.


I suspect it helps in the UK that:

a) We have an independent media network that is also has one of most watched, and also, generally, treasured.

2) We have election campaigns that are only 6 or so weeks long, a ban on TV/radio political advertising outside specifically allocated slots, and - this is the big one - the spending limit for each candidate in seat is just over £10,000, and that is funded by the government.
 
2014-01-29 06:59:15 AM  

maniacbastard: In Texas we have many conservative lowlife's causing problems. When can I death panel them?


Right now (and you don't even need the ACA)
 
2014-01-29 07:14:43 AM  
I'm on the "I want free healthcare" side.
 
2014-01-29 07:16:24 AM  

DamnYankees: Seems like asking people in a poll if they have health insurance is an oddly tangential way of just getting at the same numbers HHS releases. They have released the number of enrollees and the age breakdowns; what more does this poll add?


A larger sample size. The HHS sample size was more than adequate, but this one has upwards of 9000 participants. That goes a long way in controlling the margin of error and getting a clear picture.
 
2014-01-29 07:45:52 AM  

johnnyrocket: I'm on the "I want free healthcare" side.


No such thing as free when it comes to government.
The parties always paid with taxes, till the politicians run out and start printing money.

The question is if its sustainable.

/With the cost of healthcare relatively stagnant in a down economy, the answer will probably be no.
 
2014-01-29 07:45:58 AM  

clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.


Your company is screwing you and expecting you to blame it on Obamacare.
 
2014-01-29 07:51:22 AM  

cryinoutloud: whidbey: Do fleshlights get AIDS?
*ducks*

You probably shouldn't share, even if all your friends really, really like her.


But... but sloppy seconds. Hell, filthy fourths!
 
2014-01-29 08:06:11 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I'm on the "Obamacare will establish death panels to kill old people" side....am I right?


No. Don't be silly. Old people's organs are worn out and worthless.

The real threat of ObamaCare was demonstrated with the knockout game, where random "inner city thugs" knock out heathy normal suburbanites, and then ObamaCare sells the victims organs to Al Qaeda.
 
2014-01-29 08:10:27 AM  
Finally, a thread where we can all be right! Let's hug.
 
2014-01-29 08:11:29 AM  

Bungles: I suspect it helps in the UK that:

a) We have an independent media network that is also has one of most watched, and also, generally, treasured.

2) We have election campaigns that are only 6 or so weeks long, a ban on TV/radio political advertising outside specifically allocated slots, and - this is the big one - the spending limit for each candidate in seat is just over £10,000, and that is funded by the government.


iii) You have a parliamentary system and not a two-party mess.

// There are certainly downsides, too, but I do find many aspects compelling.
 
2014-01-29 08:15:34 AM  

BMFPitt: Bungles: I suspect it helps in the UK that:

a) We have an independent media network that is also has one of most watched, and also, generally, treasured.

2) We have election campaigns that are only 6 or so weeks long, a ban on TV/radio political advertising outside specifically allocated slots, and - this is the big one - the spending limit for each candidate in seat is just over £10,000, and that is funded by the government.

iii) You have a parliamentary system and not a two-party mess.

// There are certainly downsides, too, but I do find many aspects compelling.


The nature of first-past-the-post constituency voting with no PR means that, for real purposes, the UK is essentially a 2 party system as well.
 
KIA
2014-01-29 08:16:41 AM  

Bungles: Hobodeluxe: Bungles: I honestly can't imagine how weird it must be to live in a country where healthcare is optional/income dependent, rather than just the standard bedrock.

/the NHS has saved the lives of many of my family, and no-one has ever seen a bill.
//threatening cutting funding to the NHS is how governments in the UK stop being governments, very quickly.

the govts in the US are beholden to the rich and not the voters. the rich control the media and the populace.

I suspect it helps in the UK that:

a) We have an independent media network that is also has one of most watched, and also, generally, treasured.

2) We have election campaigns that are only 6 or so weeks long, a ban on TV/radio political advertising outside specifically allocated slots, and - this is the big one - the spending limit for each candidate in seat is just over £10,000, and that is funded by the government.


When did the UK get a free press? Last I heard, the government dictated what they could and could not report.
 
2014-01-29 08:18:16 AM  

clowncar on fire: GWSuperfan: I'm on the "HOLY CRAP, I CAN AFFORD TO GO THE THE DOCTOR NOW" side.

If you can afford the deductible, yeah.


Jesus Christ, not this crap again.  Preventive care (among other services) does not fall under the deductible. Hate if you want, but at least be honest,
 
2014-01-29 08:20:46 AM  

clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.


What in the hell does that have to do with Obamacare?

I can just imagine the wheels spinning in your head right now, "Obamacare is about insurance. My stingy employer dicked us over on insurance this year. Hmm... I know! I'll complain about how crappy the company I work for is with some vague and unintelligible criticism, and then immediately switch the topic to some random babble about Hollister."

Look, I know I've said this before. I understand you're not an actual conservative with unbelievably stupid posts. You're a liberal troll who pretends to be a very stupid conservative for the lulz. I get that. But damn it, I don't think you're funny. And, fark is here for my amusement. Step up your game. Be funnier. I demand it.
 
2014-01-29 08:22:04 AM  

KIA: Bungles: Hobodeluxe: Bungles: I honestly can't imagine how weird it must be to live in a country where healthcare is optional/income dependent, rather than just the standard bedrock.

/the NHS has saved the lives of many of my family, and no-one has ever seen a bill.
//threatening cutting funding to the NHS is how governments in the UK stop being governments, very quickly.

the govts in the US are beholden to the rich and not the voters. the rich control the media and the populace.

I suspect it helps in the UK that:

a) We have an independent media network that is also has one of most watched, and also, generally, treasured.

2) We have election campaigns that are only 6 or so weeks long, a ban on TV/radio political advertising outside specifically allocated slots, and - this is the big one - the spending limit for each candidate in seat is just over £10,000, and that is funded by the government.

When did the UK get a free press? Last I heard, the government dictated what they could and could not report.


Care to explain? Outside the ban on certain in-progress court reporting and D-notices (which are only advisory), I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at - and neither of those are controversial with the public. Superinjunctions? That's a function of the court system, and isn't a political tool.

Given that The Guardian is the vanguard of all the Snowden reporting, that suggests that the Government doesn't exactly have an ability to muzzle the press.
 
2014-01-29 08:24:10 AM  
I bit the bullet yesterday, got online, and tried to sign up. The first thing they did was bounce my information off of a credit rating agency to confirm my identity. That didn't work for whatever reason, so I had to call their help desk. The lady on the phone, who seemed a little befuddled but very nice, told me I had to send a photocopy of my driver's license to some government office and wait two weeks for a reply.

So far, I'm not horribly impressed. But I'm willing to wait and see before passing final judgement on this. I DID find out that I'll be paying around $400 a month, and that's with some "help".

Good thing I didn't wait until a week before the deadline.
 
2014-01-29 08:41:41 AM  

TuteTibiImperes: clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.

I was browsing through the FL ACA plans on healthcare.gov and the difference between the Bronze plan (with a high deductible and almost everything coming out of pocket up to it) and the Platinum plan (with a reasonable deductible and low or $0 copays on almost everything so the deductible wouldn't really come into play anyway) is only $100/month.  The overall cost for the Bronze was a little higher than I'd like it to be, but for as cheap as it was to move to the Platinum where the coverage is great, it seems like a no-brainer.

Of course, in the end it turned out I didn't need to deal with it anyway since I switched employers and the new one has a kickass health plan that's less than the exchange bronze (after employer contribution) but overall I was impressed with the options on the exchange.


The reason for this is that the real cost to insurance companies is when you get really sick and they are spending millions on you. In these cases the bronze and platinum are very similar base cost for catastrophic coverage. The little bit extra pays for all your doctors visits and whatnot and statistically brings down the chances of you needing catastrophic coverage by a small amount.
 
2014-01-29 09:08:44 AM  

clowncar on fire: whidbey: clowncar on fire: Lucky you- my company family plan went from 250.00 to 1450.00  Payments dropped $2 a pay period so I'm supposed to get the word out there about how much this is saving me.  As long as I don't get sick, this is like getting a .025/hr raise.

Dude, read between the lines. I'm below the poverty level. You should count your blessings.

-It's sad when you work at a hospital and they can't find a way to provide their own employees reduced healthcare :(  My kid gets a better discount working at Hollister.


my take on this is it's sad that you continue to work at such a shiatty hospital.  It's not like healthcare is a low demand field, go find somewhere better to work.  The way the "free market" is supposed to work is you and a bunch of other smart people leave that shiatty hospital to work at better companies, they can't find competent staff, their quality of care goes down, people stop going there, and they go out of business.  Current and future companies see what happened to this one, realize if they provide shiatty healthcare it will happen to them, and change their policies.  Your continuing to work there is perpetuating the very behavior you're lamenting.

Free market - it's not just on the puchasing side...
 
2014-01-29 09:39:50 AM  

johnnyrocket: I'm on the "I want free healthcare" side.


I'm on the "would you look at that--I don't make enough for Obamacare subsidies, and not little enough for (my state's non-expanded) Medicare." side. I'm like Lucky Ducky--I have complete freedom from the dictates of health insurance.

/need to do my taxes and see if I can hit the actual poverty line this year.
 
2014-01-29 09:52:16 AM  

Bungles: I honestly can't imagine how weird it must be to live in a country where healthcare is optional/income dependent, rather than just the standard bedrock.

/the NHS has saved the lives of many of my family, and no-one has ever seen a bill.
//threatening cutting funding to the NHS is how governments in the UK stop being governments, very quickly.


Exactly the same here in Canada.  Even suggesting a shift away from single-payer or towards two-tier, is political suicide.
 
2014-01-29 09:57:00 AM  
The most important numbers will come at the end of March, when this year's deadline for signing up for insurance hits, since many Americans - especially younger uninsured - will enroll at the last minute.

Or not.
 
2014-01-29 09:58:34 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm on the "sh*t, I STILL can't afford this" side


I'm on the "I was able to afford this before and now I'm not side."
 
2014-01-29 10:01:11 AM  

Conservative Humor: I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries,


Most of Europe doesn't use single payer insurance!
 
2014-01-29 10:06:52 AM  

jigger: I'm on the "I was able to afford this before and now I'm not side."


I like your profile pic.

funzoon.com
 
2014-01-29 10:13:41 AM  

jigger: Conservative Humor: I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries,

Most of Europe doesn't use single payer insurance!


Wut?
 
2014-01-29 10:47:09 AM  

jigger: Conservative Humor: I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries,

Most of Europe doesn't use single payer insurance!



Ummmm...Uk, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France and on and on....
 
2014-01-29 10:56:45 AM  
Try and frame it how you like it, the fact still remains that wishing suffering on others is wrong, and especially for something as trivial as whether or not they had insurance.

Really, some of you are wishing pain and suffering on people because they can't or won't buy a product.

Get a farking grip. It's not your business no matter what the foolish talking heads on TV stated.

Oh, and it also makes the person saying such things a hypocrite. Sure, tolerance..right.  Hating someone for not having insurance, whether it be health, homeowners, or life, is one of the stupidest things in the world.  Seriously, don't ever get on a high horse about how any of you help the downtrodden or the misunderstood or how you sow peace and brotherhood in the world somehow. You're full of it.

Honestly, you're only inventing new ways to hate people.

Peace, everyone.

/see ya in another thread
 
2014-01-29 11:02:08 AM  

walktoanarcade: namatad: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166982/uninsured-rate-shows-initial-declin e -2014.aspx

you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones

no really, if you are that foolish, you need to suffer

This doesn't apply to me, but this is silly and needlessly cruel in nature. If you honestly feel that way you need a break from the Internet to regain your humanity.  90 thousand a year isn't billions or even millions of dollars, and in fact, it's jack shiat to many people who are decent, work hard and are responsible and are not buying new cars every year and so forth.

Get some humanity.   Your opinion of a person without insurance can be anything, but it's stupid of you to assume the circumstances of others, e.i, that they make 90K a year means they can pay insurance.

Maybe they have their money earmarked already to help their elderly grandmother, father, or mother?

Don't be such a prick.


bullshiat.  there's nowhere in the country where 90k won't allow you to provide basic necessities, cover healthcare, and also have money left over for discretionary purchases.  he's talking about people that would put healthcare low enough on that priority list that they couldn't afford it with that salary, and I agree with him/her that prioritizing it that way is misguided and selfish.
 
2014-01-29 11:08:33 AM  

PawisBetlog: walktoanarcade: namatad: http://www.gallup.com/poll/166982/uninsured-rate-shows-initial-declin e -2014.aspx

you make 90k a year and you dont have health insurance ?
god I hope you get hit by a car, catch the plague and break multiple bones

no really, if you are that foolish, you need to suffer

This doesn't apply to me, but this is silly and needlessly cruel in nature. If you honestly feel that way you need a break from the Internet to regain your humanity.  90 thousand a year isn't billions or even millions of dollars, and in fact, it's jack shiat to many people who are decent, work hard and are responsible and are not buying new cars every year and so forth.

Get some humanity.   Your opinion of a person without insurance can be anything, but it's stupid of you to assume the circumstances of others, e.i, that they make 90K a year means they can pay insurance.

Maybe they have their money earmarked already to help their elderly grandmother, father, or mother?

Don't be such a prick.

bullshiat.  there's nowhere in the country where 90k won't allow you to provide basic necessities, cover healthcare, and also have money left over for discretionary purchases.  he's talking about people that would put healthcare low enough on that priority list that they couldn't afford it with that salary, and I agree with him/her that prioritizing it that way is misguided and selfish.


Misguided, sure maybe. Selfish, debatable, but possible in some case, still not matter what, it's wrong to wish pain on them.

Really, this earnest wholesale wishing of pain on others-and for mundane reasons-is sickening.


Save your outrage for those that deserve it, like trial lawyers and JW's that come to your door, ignoring a no pestering sign, then lecture your on your own property that the Supreme Count said that they could bother you and they love the Court for that and the U.S., but wait...they hate them too because no military service and they hate the country, and those that give blood are evil-but they have the law on their side!
 
2014-01-29 11:14:49 AM  

Bungles: jigger: Conservative Humor: I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries,

Most of Europe doesn't use single payer insurance!


Ummmm...Uk, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France and on and on....


Officially:

Norway    Single Payer
UK        Single Payer
Portugal    Single Payer
Cyprus    Single Payer
Italy        Single Payer
Sweden    Single Payer
Finland    Single Payer
Slovenia    Single Payer
Spain        Single Payer
France        Single Payer (Two Tier)
Ireland    Single Payer (Two-Tier)
Netherlands    Single Payer (Two-Tier)
Denmark    Single Payer (Two-Tier)
Germany    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Belgium    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Austria    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Luxembourg    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Greece    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Switzerland    Universal (Insurance Mandate)

Of course, he is probably just happy to threadshiat and move on
 
2014-01-29 11:16:54 AM  
Dang typos. ""no matter what" "cases"

Just be nicer. Save the hate for the obvious enemies of us all, such as large corporations that pay no taxes and take away people's choices through outrageous lobbying the likes of which regular citizens cannot compete.
 
2014-01-29 11:22:51 AM  
I work at a Big Name Tax Prep service and already we've had a couple meltdowns from clients about the health care law. Sorry folks, I know you hate it but it's on the books and we have to obey the law.

We also had one guy melt down because he got a raise and got bumped up into a new tax bracket. He blamed Obama "for all the new taxes", the tax preparer told him to blame Regan since that's the administration that set the tax brackets, but noo this 30 year old law is Obama's fault.
 
2014-01-29 12:28:26 PM  

Wyalt Derp: jigger: I'm on the "I was able to afford this before and now I'm not side."

I like your profile pic.

[funzoon.com image 600x551]


He doesn't believe in climate change, either. That says a lot.
 
2014-01-29 12:55:07 PM  

xria: Stile4aly: I'm on the "This doesn't affect me directly because I have insurance through my employer, but because I'm capable of feeling empathy for my fellow man I'm glad that the uninsured will now be able to afford insurance" side.

If you are feeling empathy and have health insurance, you can presumably get a pill to fix that.

/consult your doctor
//side effects may include shortness of breath, tiredness, heart attacks, and voting Republican


Yeah, the whole "fark you, I got mine" point of view never made much sense to me.
 
2014-01-29 01:29:05 PM  

Stile4aly: xria: Stile4aly: I'm on the "This doesn't affect me directly because I have insurance through my employer, but because I'm capable of feeling empathy for my fellow man I'm glad that the uninsured will now be able to afford insurance" side.

If you are feeling empathy and have health insurance, you can presumably get a pill to fix that.

/consult your doctor
//side effects may include shortness of breath, tiredness, heart attacks, and voting Republican

Yeah, the whole "fark you, I got mine" point of view never made much sense to me.


Any ideology based on which group you are already in seems philosophically flawed.
 
2014-01-29 04:48:08 PM  

mrshowrules: Bungles: jigger: Conservative Humor: I'm curious:

If we move to Single Payer like the European countries,

Most of Europe doesn't use single payer insurance!


Ummmm...Uk, Spain, Italy, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, France and on and on....

Officially:

Norway    Single Payer
UK        Single Payer
Portugal    Single Payer
Cyprus    Single Payer
Italy        Single Payer
Sweden    Single Payer
Finland    Single Payer
Slovenia    Single Payer
Spain        Single Payer
France        Single Payer (Two Tier)
Ireland    Single Payer (Two-Tier)
Netherlands    Single Payer (Two-Tier)
Denmark    Single Payer (Two-Tier)
Germany    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Belgium    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Austria    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Luxembourg    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Greece    Universal (Insurance Mandate)
Switzerland    Universal (Insurance Mandate)

Of course, he is probably just happy to threadshiat and move on


Aren't many of those "universal" systems also essentially single payer? I know that the German system isn't radically different, on the front end, from the UK system - the mandatory insurance, in essence, is just a specified, labelled slice on your tax form, and the majority of hospitals are mainly government institutions.
 
2014-01-29 05:27:11 PM  

platedlizard: I work at a Big Name Tax Prep service and already we've had a couple meltdowns from clients about the health care law. Sorry folks, I know you hate it but it's on the books and we have to obey the law.

We also had one guy melt down because he got a raise and got bumped up into a new tax bracket. He blamed Obama "for all the new taxes", the tax preparer told him to blame Regan since that's the administration that set the tax brackets, but noo this 30 year old law is Obama's fault.


You should also tell him he's an idiot who doesn't understand marginal tax rates either.
 
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