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(The Raw Story)   At last night's debate for GOP gubernatorial candidates in TX, all four candidates re-affirmed their strong pro-zombie stances, saying a brain dead woman should have been kept alive until she delivered her deformed fetus   (rawstory.com ) divider line
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2014-01-28 01:02:01 PM  
9 votes:
Insure that likely brain damaged child is born = good
Insure that likely brain damaged child has social programs and funding to help = SOCIALOBAMACARE!!1!1!!

Is that how this goes?
2014-01-28 02:30:17 PM  
8 votes:
Spend taxpayer money keeping a brain-dead woman "alive"? No problem.
Spend taxpayer money on actual living people's health care? We'd rather go to hell.
Spend taxpayer money delivering a dead fetus? You bet. All life is sacred!
Spend taxpayer money on health care for infants, children, and their mothers? Nope, they're just moochers.

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

2014-01-28 01:48:20 PM  
5 votes:

BizarreMan: We should always err on the side of life


Does that mean Patterson supports abolishing the death penalty in favor of life imprisonment? Or does he deny that Texas has ever erred by convicting and executing someone who was innocent?

Marcus Aurelius: Not to mention all the people on death row. He still wants them dead, and very badly, I take it.


Ah. So much for hoping for logical consistency from a Texas politician.
2014-01-28 02:43:44 PM  
4 votes:

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


That is completely wrong. She HAD an advanced directive, the hospital ignored it because Texas law overrules the directive in the case of a pregnant woman on life support.

The problem- she was not longer alive. She wasn't ON life support, she wasn't in a coma, she was dead, but the hospital's attorney decided to make his bones to the pro-life crowd.
2014-01-28 01:55:01 PM  
4 votes:

somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.


She won't win. Texas isn't ready for a Democratic Governor and she doesn't have the ground game. However, the fact that the idiots in TX are making a national story out of her life means that she'll stick around for a long, long time.

Texas will go blue, eventually. And when it does, people will know who she is and they'll know that her opponents focused on her divorce and student loans instead of her policies. Most people think that's bullshiat.
2014-01-28 01:28:29 PM  
4 votes:
If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.
2014-01-28 01:02:46 PM  
4 votes:
Remember, Government should be small, but have complete control of your actions in all matters related to religion.
2014-01-28 12:41:39 PM  
3 votes:
Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.
2014-01-28 12:39:21 PM  
3 votes:
Patrick conceded that some exceptions must be made in the case where a mother's life is placed "truly in danger," and he advocated helping low-income women who are pregnant.

"You always protect life in every situation," Patrick said. "Provide money for low-income women. Do whatever it takes to protect life - even raise money from businesses."


Oh, your screwed. Abortion isn't about the fetus you fool. It's about punishing whores, and it's CERTAINLY not about asking Job Creators (PBUT) to contribute to the dirty little whores and their filthy bastards.
2014-01-28 12:34:25 PM  
3 votes:
"We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?
2014-01-28 03:14:24 PM  
2 votes:

TheShavingofOccam123: A dead woman on life-support is the ideal GOP woman. Why, if you play your cards right, you can maker her have her baby even when she is dead.

I kind of wish the state would have won then billed the father for all those medical expenses the state incurred.


As I had stated in a previous discussion: intervention by the state was a no-win scenario.

Even without the knowledge of how the public generally disapproved of the government intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, any politician with a competent advisor would be aware that Ms. Muñoz's fetus was not likely to survive for any significant time outside of the womb. Therefore, a "victory" for the state in forcing Ms. Muñoz's corpse to remain connected to a ventilator would be the extraction of a hideously deformed mass of flesh, barely recognizable as human, from a rotting womb that would spend its existence gasping, retching or heaving and the only comfort available to witnesses would be that it lacked the brain development to have any cognition of its condition. When it died -- likely no more than a week after extraction, but likely within hours or even minutes -- Ms. Muñoz's family could again gain media attention, showcasing the further emotional distress forced upon them by the state and -- perhaps even more damningly -- the substantial financial burden from the unwanted medical treatment of a dead person for what amounted to absolutely no benefit whatsoever.

The extremist "pro-life" movement would be mollified by the outcome, based upon their belief that all human "life" is sacred, but they are already voting for conservative, Republican candidates and thus the intervention would have no effect on their political support. Meanwhile, more moderate individuals and those who are currently ambivalent regarding the subject of abortion would be repulsed, pushing them away from supporting a government that would allow such a state.

While I might have found the sudden drop in support for the "pro life" movement amusing, I prefer the actual outcome where the Muñoz family is finally able to bury their loved one without further interference.

This was not a fight that the "pro-life" movement could actually win; any victory would have been Pyrrhic. I suspect that most Republican elected officials in the state (including the Governor) knew this, which would explain the lack of involvement apart from token statements of support (for the hospital) from a few state Representatives.
2014-01-28 03:00:58 PM  
2 votes:

rwdavis: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

Were talking about the same god who lied to Adam and Eve saying that eating from the Tree of Knowledge would kill them, when in fact the knowledge gained allowed them to live for hundreds of years beyond their natural lifespan. Yahweh thinks lying to humans is funny.


Also, keep in mind that before they ate of the tree they didn't comprehend sin, so couldn't have known that disobeying god was wrong.  Dick move on god's part, but what do you expect from a bronze age desert death cult?
2014-01-28 02:44:13 PM  
2 votes:

Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'



So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."
2014-01-28 02:19:43 PM  
2 votes:
Texas' Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson:"We should always err on the side of life."

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Riiight...
2014-01-29 03:16:28 AM  
1 vote:
Can you imagine?  One day, your wife is pregnant with your child, the next she has a freak medical issue and is brain dead.  Then, after the completely traumatic and terrible loss of your wife and unborn baby, the farking hospital insists that they need to keep her organs running against her explicit wishes because they have religious beliefs you don't have?

I hope this guy sues them into the ground.  He should own that farking hospital when this is all said and done.
2014-01-28 06:44:38 PM  
1 vote:

Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


People would rather beleive that their God is a lying bastard then entertain the idea that their beliefs are false.
2014-01-28 06:36:48 PM  
1 vote:
So, I use to think that the most horrifying thing I could imagine happening to myself or a family member would involve some kind of traumatic brain injury.

Now I have competition for first place.  This - the idea that under state law my wife or other loved one could be forcibly kept on life support, past the point of brain death, so that they could carry to term a heavily deformed fetus, which would likely, maybe even hopefully, die during or shortly after child birth - this is horror movie material.  I would be in therapy for life if I had to deal with that shiat.

So now Texas Republicans are saying the nightmare scenario above is what they actually intended and wanted to happen?
2014-01-28 04:40:16 PM  
1 vote:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.


If you need recipe, it's not BBQ
2014-01-28 04:27:41 PM  
1 vote:
Heh... This is what happens when you're proudly ignorant and blinded by a farked up ideology.
2014-01-28 04:22:56 PM  
1 vote:

KatjaMouse: mrshowrules: BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?

Maybe he thinks dead woman should be kept alive as long as there is a chance the night janitor could fertilize one of her eggs.  Err on the side of life.

I'm thinking that most Republicans read the Handmaid's Tale and saw it more as a social proposal than a dystopic horror.


Republicans look at A Handmaid's Tale in the same way Jeffrey Dahmer looked at A Modest Proposal.

/These moralizing assholes are monsters and the husband should sue them into the farking ground for putting her family through that sort of hell.
2014-01-28 04:17:51 PM  
1 vote:
The Axlotl Tank (a combination of the term "Axlotl", a small animal capable of regenerating limbs) was a device used by the Bene Tleilax to create and nurture their products, especially gholas and other complete organisms. Tank" is a misnomer term. The actual artifact consists of a sessile human female who has been modified to dormantly accept chemical and biological cues necessary to grow the needed biological artifacts. These may be "grown" in another Axlotl tank or may be formed from a sexually mature human female. Normally the personality of the adult female is either suppressed or destroyed during the process of "formation" or "installation".
The Tleilaxu's use of their females for this purpose was beleived to demonstrate either a profound sense of devotion to their God or a horrific ultimate gesture of "utilitarianism". In any case, supressing the wisdom and complementary mental and emotional skills of their females may have doomed the all male Bene Tleilax to destruction at the hands of the "Honored Matres" and was certainly a immense and profound flaw in their culture.
2014-01-28 04:16:11 PM  
1 vote:

mrshowrules: BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?

Maybe he thinks dead woman should be kept alive as long as there is a chance the night janitor could fertilize one of her eggs.  Err on the side of life.


I'm thinking that most Republicans read the Handmaid's Tale and saw it more as a social proposal than a dystopic horror.
2014-01-28 04:06:50 PM  
1 vote:

Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.


Um, you realize there are plenty of southerners who moved North?  I don't think the North has the inability to have good BBQ, it just doesn't have the desire to make it every other restaurant.
2014-01-28 04:01:32 PM  
1 vote:

qorkfiend: menschenfresser: Still worth it. We've had not-so-great countries over our borders at times in the past.

Just think, without them we'd have the ability to govern like grown-ups.

Until they decided they were the True Heirs of American Democracy and invaded to "reclaim their birthright".


Right, and of course they would do that I suppose. We'd have to work out the return of all the weaponry and military infrastructure to the US (we paid for it anyhow, the federal tax moochers) before the handover. Then their invasion would likely not be any more successful than last time they tried to invade the north. I know it'll be fraught with little details like this, but they obviously hate being forced to live in civilized society (or with government at all, it seems) and they're preventing us from governing like a first-world country. It's a win/win since it's mutually-desired.
2014-01-28 03:26:48 PM  
1 vote:

Tigger: Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.

Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.


Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.
2014-01-28 03:19:11 PM  
1 vote:

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


She HAD ONE.  The hospital refused to honor it however saying State law forbids withdrawal of life support from a preganant woman and that her Advanced Directive was meaningless
2014-01-28 03:14:23 PM  
1 vote:

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.


Meh.  It's just another manifestation of the magic "God did it" loophole.  No answer?  "God did it."  Contradiction?  Moral ambiguity?  Bible not clear enough?  "God's testing us."
2014-01-28 03:09:04 PM  
1 vote:

Deucednuisance: Lord_Baull: Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

Hell, ask Job that one.

/He did get a lifetime supply of salt out of the deal, though...


Heh, and atheist to the correction,

Lot's wife was turned into a piller of NaCl
2014-01-28 03:04:15 PM  
1 vote:
A dead woman on life-support is the ideal GOP woman. Why, if you play your cards right, you can maker her have her baby even when she is dead.

I kind of wish the state would have won then billed the father for all those medical expenses the state incurred.
2014-01-28 03:03:06 PM  
1 vote:

Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.


Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.
2014-01-28 02:58:51 PM  
1 vote:

verbaltoxin: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

Texas law overrode the husband because of its abortion rules. A vegetable is being kept alive because she has a fetus inside her.


Your statement is inaccurate for two reasons.

Ms. Muñoz was brain dead, not a vegetable. A person in a persistent vegetative state is alive. A person who is brain dead is deceased. That difference is important, because it was the basis of Judge R.H. Wallace's ruling: because Ms. Muñoz was dead, the law mandating continued "life support" could not apply (as she had no "life" to "support").

Ms. Muñoz's organs are no longer being sustained by medical machines; she was removed from ventilation on Sunday. Presumably her organs and the fetus within her died very soon after.
2014-01-28 02:56:08 PM  
1 vote:

Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


Were talking about the same god who lied to Adam and Eve saying that eating from the Tree of Knowledge would kill them, when in fact the knowledge gained allowed them to live for hundreds of years beyond their natural lifespan. Yahweh thinks lying to humans is funny.
2014-01-28 02:55:14 PM  
1 vote:

Bareefer Obonghit: It's a well-known fact that babies with birth heart defects grow up to comprise the birth of the Republican voting bloc.


FTFY
2014-01-28 02:50:54 PM  
1 vote:
So the GOP does want government to get between a patient and her doctor.  I wish they'd make up their tiny little minds.
2014-01-28 02:49:11 PM  
1 vote:
Well to make the argument that abortion of a fetus shouldn't be legal you also have to make the argument that releasing brain dead people from life support should be illegal because both are brain dead. If consciousness is the definition of life, your whole argument against abortion goes to hell.
2014-01-28 02:43:32 PM  
1 vote:

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


Texas law overrode the husband because of its abortion rules. A vegetable is being kept alive because she has a fetus inside her.
2014-01-28 02:39:42 PM  
1 vote:

orclover: what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.

Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.


I think you'll pleasantly surprised in the coming years actually.

Being from Texas, I know quite a few staunch, lifelong family Republicans there, who can't stand what the GOP has become in Texas. There was a time that they would openly debate Republican positions with anyone, and anywhere. Now? They pull a tight light and do not open that cans of worms. And these aren't people in their 20's and 30's. These are people in their 50's through their 70's, who have been Texas anywhere from 30 to 60+ years, or even more.

You would be VERY surprised at some of the non-vocal discomfort people with Republican and Conservative values are feeling right now with the idiots in charge.
2014-01-28 02:32:20 PM  
1 vote:

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll



Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.
2014-01-28 02:27:44 PM  
1 vote:
The GOP has a long pro-zombie record. See: Jesus.
2014-01-28 02:17:10 PM  
1 vote:
It's a well-known fact that babies with birth defects grow up to comprise the heart of the Republican voting bloc.
 
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