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(The Raw Story)   At last night's debate for GOP gubernatorial candidates in TX, all four candidates re-affirmed their strong pro-zombie stances, saying a brain dead woman should have been kept alive until she delivered her deformed fetus   (rawstory.com) divider line 144
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2014-01-28 03:03:06 PM  

Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.


Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.
 
2014-01-28 03:04:15 PM  
A dead woman on life-support is the ideal GOP woman. Why, if you play your cards right, you can maker her have her baby even when she is dead.

I kind of wish the state would have won then billed the father for all those medical expenses the state incurred.
 
2014-01-28 03:09:04 PM  

Deucednuisance: Lord_Baull: Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

Hell, ask Job that one.

/He did get a lifetime supply of salt out of the deal, though...


Heh, and atheist to the correction,

Lot's wife was turned into a piller of NaCl
 
2014-01-28 03:09:26 PM  
The modern GOP, "we're fine with sending you into crippling debt over medical bills and using state funds as long as it's to force an unwanted or dead child birth or to keep someone who is clinically brain dead alive.  If you want help after you can go fark yourself."
 
2014-01-28 03:10:20 PM  

Tigger: Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.

Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.


No question.  I wasn't really arguing though.  More like citing that the idea of the evil genius has been done.
 
2014-01-28 03:11:18 PM  
How typically small government of them.
 
2014-01-28 03:11:40 PM  
I live in Texas.  I listened to the debate.   No matter who wins, the state loses.
 
2014-01-28 03:12:13 PM  

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.
 
2014-01-28 03:14:23 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.


Meh.  It's just another manifestation of the magic "God did it" loophole.  No answer?  "God did it."  Contradiction?  Moral ambiguity?  Bible not clear enough?  "God's testing us."
 
2014-01-28 03:14:24 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: A dead woman on life-support is the ideal GOP woman. Why, if you play your cards right, you can maker her have her baby even when she is dead.

I kind of wish the state would have won then billed the father for all those medical expenses the state incurred.


As I had stated in a previous discussion: intervention by the state was a no-win scenario.

Even without the knowledge of how the public generally disapproved of the government intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, any politician with a competent advisor would be aware that Ms. Muñoz's fetus was not likely to survive for any significant time outside of the womb. Therefore, a "victory" for the state in forcing Ms. Muñoz's corpse to remain connected to a ventilator would be the extraction of a hideously deformed mass of flesh, barely recognizable as human, from a rotting womb that would spend its existence gasping, retching or heaving and the only comfort available to witnesses would be that it lacked the brain development to have any cognition of its condition. When it died -- likely no more than a week after extraction, but likely within hours or even minutes -- Ms. Muñoz's family could again gain media attention, showcasing the further emotional distress forced upon them by the state and -- perhaps even more damningly -- the substantial financial burden from the unwanted medical treatment of a dead person for what amounted to absolutely no benefit whatsoever.

The extremist "pro-life" movement would be mollified by the outcome, based upon their belief that all human "life" is sacred, but they are already voting for conservative, Republican candidates and thus the intervention would have no effect on their political support. Meanwhile, more moderate individuals and those who are currently ambivalent regarding the subject of abortion would be repulsed, pushing them away from supporting a government that would allow such a state.

While I might have found the sudden drop in support for the "pro life" movement amusing, I prefer the actual outcome where the Muñoz family is finally able to bury their loved one without further interference.

This was not a fight that the "pro-life" movement could actually win; any victory would have been Pyrrhic. I suspect that most Republican elected officials in the state (including the Governor) knew this, which would explain the lack of involvement apart from token statements of support (for the hospital) from a few state Representatives.
 
Ant
2014-01-28 03:17:18 PM  
We should always err on the side of life

♫ Always err on the right side of life ♫
♪ Dee doo de do de do de do ♪
 
2014-01-28 03:19:11 PM  

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


She HAD ONE.  The hospital refused to honor it however saying State law forbids withdrawal of life support from a preganant woman and that her Advanced Directive was meaningless
 
2014-01-28 03:20:00 PM  
SMALL GOVERNMENT!
 
2014-01-28 03:20:01 PM  

baka-san: Heh, and atheist to the correction,

Lot's wife was turned into a piller of NaCl


You are of course correct, thanks.

Just another card in the deck marked "Yahweh is a dick", though.
 
Ant
2014-01-28 03:21:57 PM  

what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually


When blue moves further to the right.
 
2014-01-28 03:23:15 PM  
My pro-life friends were so hostile with me when I posted this a few weeks ago. Basically it's a "pro-lifer" who's actually for abortions and birth control. Why? Because when women have access to those options you actually save more lives to include that of unborn babies. It was a good read. How I Lost Faith in the Pro-Life Movement.

But anyway, this topic has definitely been a hot button issue with the Catholic side of my family who actually are living in Texas right now. But when my grandparents came out and said it was time to unplug this poor woman I knew the fight was over.

Here's a fun fact: Back in the 60s the above mentioned grandmother was very pregnant with their 4th child and confirmed first son when she suffered a cardiac arrest in a public setting. Basically a doctor on the scene told my grandfather that he could only save one of them right there before transport could arrive (and if this gentleman wasn't there to begin with grandpa would have been a single dad in less than an hour). He chose his wife over the viable fetus. I can't even imagine the outrage that would have taken place after the fact these days.
 
2014-01-28 03:24:39 PM  

Wyalt Derp: SMALL GOVERNMENT!


Small enough to fit in a woman's womb.
 
2014-01-28 03:26:47 PM  
Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

i55.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-28 03:26:48 PM  

Tigger: Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.

Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.


Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.
 
2014-01-28 03:27:12 PM  

qorkfiend: Spend taxpayer money keeping a brain-dead woman "alive"? No problem.
Spend taxpayer money delivering a dead fetus? You bet. All life is sacred!

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE


Actually I read an article that the family of the deceased woman was going to get a bill for hundreds of thousands of dollars for "keeping her and the baby 'alive'".
 
2014-01-28 03:27:12 PM  

Magorn: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

She HAD ONE.  The hospital refused to honor it however saying State law forbids withdrawal of life support from a preganant woman and that her Advanced Directive was meaningless


Holy shiat, is that a fact?!

Okay, then the state acted absolutely improperly, in this case and in my opinion.

Your body belongs to you. What if she had one that stated she wanted intervention and the laws interfered with access to that?

Texas is quite FUBAR. President Bush (whilst governor) signed into law a bill that would allow hospitals to NOT honor your advanced directive if they (their 'ethics committees') determined such care was futile.

Does that state actually give a fark about life or are they just trying to enforce what THEY think is a right to life.

Either way, too farked up for my sensibilities.
 
2014-01-28 03:29:53 PM  

Deucednuisance: baka-san: Heh, and atheist to the correction,

Lot's wife was turned into a piller of NaCl

You are of course correct, thanks.

Just another card in the deck marked "Yahweh is a dick", though.



My favorite is the psyche he pulled on Abraham. He must have been laughing his ass off when Abraham was about to kill his son. "Oh, you should have *snicker* seen your face. Priceless." *snort* "But seriously, go f*ck Sarah's handmaiden."
 
Ant
2014-01-28 03:31:56 PM  

qorkfiend: Spend taxpayer money keeping a brain-dead woman "alive"? No problem.
Spend taxpayer money on actual living people's health care? We'd rather go to hell.
Spend taxpayer money delivering a dead fetus? You bet. All life is sacred!
Spend taxpayer money on health care for infants, children, and their mothers? Nope, they're just moochers.

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE


Part of the problem is that their sense of what is moral is based on blindly following divine authority instead of being based on what actually causes harm in the real world.
 
2014-01-28 03:35:56 PM  

cold_weather_tex: orclover: what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.

Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.

I think you'll pleasantly surprised in the coming years actually.

Being from Texas, I know quite a few staunch, lifelong family Republicans there, who can't stand what the GOP has become in Texas. There was a time that they would openly debate Republican positions with anyone, and anywhere. Now? They pull a tight light and do not open that cans of worms. And these aren't people in their 20's and 30's. These are people in their 50's through their 70's, who have been Texas anywhere from 30 to 60+ years, or even more.

You would be VERY surprised at some of the non-vocal discomfort people with Republican and Conservative values are feeling right now with the idiots in charge.


Is their discomfort reflected come election time?
 
2014-01-28 03:44:37 PM  

menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

[i55.photobucket.com image 282x428]


The problem with that is we would be bordering a failed state within two years.
 
2014-01-28 03:46:32 PM  
UrukHaiGuyz:

Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.

In my brief year of philosophy before I shiatcanned it for a real degree, the tutor started with. "Descartes is considered to be both the founder of modern philosophy and everything that's wrong with it".
 
2014-01-28 03:51:09 PM  

Tigger: UrukHaiGuyz:

Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.

In my brief year of philosophy before I shiatcanned it for a real degree, the tutor started with. "Descartes is considered to be both the founder of modern philosophy and everything that's wrong with it".


Well, he was a drunken fart.
 
2014-01-28 03:51:25 PM  
Still worth it. We've had not-so-great countries over our borders at times in the past.

Just think, without them we'd have the ability to govern like grown-ups.
 
2014-01-28 03:55:50 PM  
The fundies really were looking forward to having a deformed kid to punish and smite, weren't they?
 
2014-01-28 03:56:02 PM  
GOP - Ensuring that retards and the unwanted are born so that conservatives can feel superior to them since forever.™

//there may be some redundancies in the above statement
 
2014-01-28 03:56:59 PM  

menschenfresser: Still worth it. We've had not-so-great countries over our borders at times in the past.

Just think, without them we'd have the ability to govern like grown-ups.


Until they decided they were the True Heirs of American Democracy and invaded to "reclaim their birthright".
 
2014-01-28 03:58:14 PM  

BizarreMan: What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


and what it stayed for 2 1/2 months. I briefly thought maybe these dickholes would lear that just because you can make blood flow and push air in and out, death is death.
Then I lol'd because I knew better.
 
2014-01-28 03:59:43 PM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-01-28 04:01:32 PM  

qorkfiend: menschenfresser: Still worth it. We've had not-so-great countries over our borders at times in the past.

Just think, without them we'd have the ability to govern like grown-ups.

Until they decided they were the True Heirs of American Democracy and invaded to "reclaim their birthright".


Right, and of course they would do that I suppose. We'd have to work out the return of all the weaponry and military infrastructure to the US (we paid for it anyhow, the federal tax moochers) before the handover. Then their invasion would likely not be any more successful than last time they tried to invade the north. I know it'll be fraught with little details like this, but they obviously hate being forced to live in civilized society (or with government at all, it seems) and they're preventing us from governing like a first-world country. It's a win/win since it's mutually-desired.
 
2014-01-28 04:01:47 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.


That may have been true, and then some retard thought the libs were serious and believed it.
 
2014-01-28 04:04:36 PM  

menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.


Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.
 
2014-01-28 04:05:37 PM  
I honestly believe we should have a five year plan to split this country up.  Not sure how the coasts are going to remain together - maybe we need to have a little trail connecting them via the least derpy states in the middle.

At any rate, it's beyond sad that we have certain morons trying to dictate morality as their sole legislative agenda, and the rest do not have the slightest f*cking clue how economics work.  Can you imagine if New York and the other metro areas were severed from the Red States of America?  We can find people to work in plants and on farms in the Blue States of America, good luck finding intellectuals to run your failed state, assholes
 
2014-01-28 04:06:50 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.


Um, you realize there are plenty of southerners who moved North?  I don't think the North has the inability to have good BBQ, it just doesn't have the desire to make it every other restaurant.
 
2014-01-28 04:06:51 PM  

Lord_Baull: My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


We don't talk. I am, however, on her Christmas letter list, which I read for the laffs. My spouse doesn't do that much. They don't get along very well.
 
2014-01-28 04:11:25 PM  

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


IIRC, she had a DNR.  The hospital determined that the law trumped it.
 
2014-01-28 04:12:28 PM  
phenn: Texas is quite FUBAR. President Bush (whilst governor) signed into law a bill that would allow hospitals to NOT honor your advanced directive if they (their 'ethics committees') determined such care was futile.

Yeah, it's pretty farked. Now there are articles coming out where the lawyers and law makers who helped draft the law didn't intend for this kind of consequence. They were thinking more along the lines of, say, a cancer patient who signed a DNR but is also 6 months pregnant. Even then that's kind of messed up too. They didn't think that a brain dead corpse was going to be included.

Yeah right *eye roll*
 
2014-01-28 04:12:44 PM  

BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


Maybe he thinks dead woman should be kept alive as long as there is a chance the night janitor could fertilize one of her eggs.  Err on the side of life.
 
x23
2014-01-28 04:12:57 PM  

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


controversy.wearscience.com
 
2014-01-28 04:14:35 PM  

urbangirl: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

IIRC, she had a DNR.  The hospital determined that the law trumped it.


She did. Both she and her husband had filed the appropriate legal paper work to make their wishes known because they knew what end of life care looked like and knew that that they didn't want to go through with it. However in this case the judge basically ruled that the hospital misinterpreted the law.
 
2014-01-28 04:16:01 PM  
Well someone had to tell Quaid to start the reactor.
 
2014-01-28 04:16:11 PM  

mrshowrules: BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?

Maybe he thinks dead woman should be kept alive as long as there is a chance the night janitor could fertilize one of her eggs.  Err on the side of life.


I'm thinking that most Republicans read the Handmaid's Tale and saw it more as a social proposal than a dystopic horror.
 
2014-01-28 04:17:47 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.


Yes, they exist and they have friends and offspring that echo and reinforce such things. And don't get me wrong, I support homeschooling in principle, but she (and her church buddies) homeschool so they're not getting exposed to anything else.
 
2014-01-28 04:17:51 PM  
The Axlotl Tank (a combination of the term "Axlotl", a small animal capable of regenerating limbs) was a device used by the Bene Tleilax to create and nurture their products, especially gholas and other complete organisms. Tank" is a misnomer term. The actual artifact consists of a sessile human female who has been modified to dormantly accept chemical and biological cues necessary to grow the needed biological artifacts. These may be "grown" in another Axlotl tank or may be formed from a sexually mature human female. Normally the personality of the adult female is either suppressed or destroyed during the process of "formation" or "installation".
The Tleilaxu's use of their females for this purpose was beleived to demonstrate either a profound sense of devotion to their God or a horrific ultimate gesture of "utilitarianism". In any case, supressing the wisdom and complementary mental and emotional skills of their females may have doomed the all male Bene Tleilax to destruction at the hands of the "Honored Matres" and was certainly a immense and profound flaw in their culture.
 
2014-01-28 04:19:23 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.


Absolutely, we should welcome people who want to live in the first-world part of the former USA - just like we should forcibly boot out regressive conservatards like Bachmann, etc. so they can experience the "paradise" they've been fighting for all these years.
 
2014-01-28 04:20:19 PM  

coeyagi: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

Um, you realize there are plenty of southerners who moved North?  I don't think the North has the inability to have good BBQ, it just doesn't have the desire to make it every other restaurant.


You guys grill and put barbecue sauce on it. It's tasty, and cute.

I'm just saying some of us are sane and would defect. And we know how to make the slow-cooked whole pig kind of barbecue.
 
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