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(The Raw Story)   At last night's debate for GOP gubernatorial candidates in TX, all four candidates re-affirmed their strong pro-zombie stances, saying a brain dead woman should have been kept alive until she delivered her deformed fetus   (rawstory.com) divider line 144
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2014-01-28 12:34:25 PM
"We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?
 
2014-01-28 12:39:21 PM
Patrick conceded that some exceptions must be made in the case where a mother's life is placed "truly in danger," and he advocated helping low-income women who are pregnant.

"You always protect life in every situation," Patrick said. "Provide money for low-income women. Do whatever it takes to protect life - even raise money from businesses."


Oh, your screwed. Abortion isn't about the fetus you fool. It's about punishing whores, and it's CERTAINLY not about asking Job Creators (PBUT) to contribute to the dirty little whores and their filthy bastards.
 
2014-01-28 12:41:39 PM
Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.
 
2014-01-28 12:48:49 PM

BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


Not to mention all the people on death row.  He still wants them dead, and very badly, I take it.
 
2014-01-28 01:02:01 PM
Insure that likely brain damaged child is born = good
Insure that likely brain damaged child has social programs and funding to help = SOCIALOBAMACARE!!1!1!!

Is that how this goes?
 
2014-01-28 01:02:46 PM
Remember, Government should be small, but have complete control of your actions in all matters related to religion.
 
2014-01-28 01:27:26 PM

Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.


so we're bringing back death panels? Cause it sounds like what they were saying about death panels.
 
2014-01-28 01:28:29 PM
If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.
 
2014-01-28 01:47:22 PM

somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.


This was a Lt. Governor debate, but yeah if we managed to elect Governor Good Hair to three farking terms, I am not entirely optimistic.
 
2014-01-28 01:48:20 PM

BizarreMan: We should always err on the side of life


Does that mean Patterson supports abolishing the death penalty in favor of life imprisonment? Or does he deny that Texas has ever erred by convicting and executing someone who was innocent?

Marcus Aurelius: Not to mention all the people on death row. He still wants them dead, and very badly, I take it.


Ah. So much for hoping for logical consistency from a Texas politician.
 
2014-01-28 01:55:01 PM

somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.


She won't win. Texas isn't ready for a Democratic Governor and she doesn't have the ground game. However, the fact that the idiots in TX are making a national story out of her life means that she'll stick around for a long, long time.

Texas will go blue, eventually. And when it does, people will know who she is and they'll know that her opponents focused on her divorce and student loans instead of her policies. Most people think that's bullshiat.
 
2014-01-28 02:00:30 PM
Well, I'm convinced.
 
2014-01-28 02:00:34 PM
Somewhere, Mel Martinez is shaking his head and mumbling.
 
2014-01-28 02:04:19 PM
"When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.
 
2014-01-28 02:17:10 PM
It's a well-known fact that babies with birth defects grow up to comprise the heart of the Republican voting bloc.
 
2014-01-28 02:19:43 PM
Texas' Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson:"We should always err on the side of life."

img.fark.net


Riiight...
 
2014-01-28 02:27:29 PM

what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.


Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.
 
2014-01-28 02:27:30 PM
All four Republican candidates for Texas lieutenant governor agreed that state law should prevent families from removing brain dead women and their badly deformed fetuses from life support.

Or as we call it, "increasing the voter base."
 
2014-01-28 02:27:44 PM
The GOP has a long pro-zombie record. See: Jesus.
 
2014-01-28 02:28:56 PM

Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.


My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll
 
2014-01-28 02:30:17 PM
Spend taxpayer money keeping a brain-dead woman "alive"? No problem.
Spend taxpayer money on actual living people's health care? We'd rather go to hell.
Spend taxpayer money delivering a dead fetus? You bet. All life is sacred!
Spend taxpayer money on health care for infants, children, and their mothers? Nope, they're just moochers.

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

 
2014-01-28 02:30:18 PM

Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.


Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.
 
2014-01-28 02:30:20 PM

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


So oil profits are the devils' gift? Or God's?

/I haz a ponder...
 
2014-01-28 02:32:20 PM

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll



Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.
 
2014-01-28 02:36:34 PM
I've tried to give a fark about this, but really, this is a decision between the doctors and her husband, and now unfortunately the courts because the hospital would not follow the families instructions.  Damn the media in this country, and damn those that are fueling it by consuming it (myself not exempt from that condemnation).

Hopefully more people will have those end of life instructions ready, and if you're a women consider you might be pregnant and brain dead at the same time.
 
2014-01-28 02:37:04 PM
Good. Keep it up. This will never come back to haunt you.
 
2014-01-28 02:37:20 PM
"I think kids growing up in Texas ought to learn about other religions as well," Patterson said. "In part so they feel comfortable with their own (and) in part because they see some of the things that would give them pause."

In regards to Christianity? Good point.
 
2014-01-28 02:39:37 PM

somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.


It's Texas.
 
2014-01-28 02:39:42 PM

orclover: what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.

Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.


I think you'll pleasantly surprised in the coming years actually.

Being from Texas, I know quite a few staunch, lifelong family Republicans there, who can't stand what the GOP has become in Texas. There was a time that they would openly debate Republican positions with anyone, and anywhere. Now? They pull a tight light and do not open that cans of worms. And these aren't people in their 20's and 30's. These are people in their 50's through their 70's, who have been Texas anywhere from 30 to 60+ years, or even more.

You would be VERY surprised at some of the non-vocal discomfort people with Republican and Conservative values are feeling right now with the idiots in charge.
 
2014-01-28 02:40:50 PM
"We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

I thought that the actual phrase was "always err on the bright side of life".
 
2014-01-28 02:40:53 PM

Lord_Baull: Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


Hell, ask Job that one.

/He did get a lifetime supply of salt out of the deal, though...
 
2014-01-28 02:41:01 PM

Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


The response will be 'ineffable plan'
 
2014-01-28 02:42:10 PM

qorkfiend: WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE


They're Republicans, they're obviously supposed to be like that. Perhaps you could phrase your question differently.
 
2014-01-28 02:43:32 PM

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


Texas law overrode the husband because of its abortion rules. A vegetable is being kept alive because she has a fetus inside her.
 
2014-01-28 02:43:44 PM

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


That is completely wrong. She HAD an advanced directive, the hospital ignored it because Texas law overrules the directive in the case of a pregnant woman on life support.

The problem- she was not longer alive. She wasn't ON life support, she wasn't in a coma, she was dead, but the hospital's attorney decided to make his bones to the pro-life crowd.
 
2014-01-28 02:44:13 PM

Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'



So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."
 
2014-01-28 02:46:20 PM
Candidates for Lieutenant Governor, subby. Not Governor. Though it used to be that the Lt. Gov. wielded as much or more power than the Governor on account of how the Legislature is set up. Not sure how that morphed in recent years. I know Perry's been around long enough to use his appointment power to exert a lot more control than had been seen in a while. That's my impression, at least.
 
2014-01-28 02:47:38 PM
Have any of these assholes been arrested yet for mandating and making creationism(retards science) a part of schools, which is a violation of church and state?

/Oh right, it's Texass where laws and regulations are only for those you violently hate.
 
2014-01-28 02:49:11 PM
Well to make the argument that abortion of a fetus shouldn't be legal you also have to make the argument that releasing brain dead people from life support should be illegal because both are brain dead. If consciousness is the definition of life, your whole argument against abortion goes to hell.
 
2014-01-28 02:50:40 PM

cold_weather_tex: orclover: what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.

Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.

I think you'll pleasantly surprised in the coming years actually.

Being from Texas, I know quite a few staunch, lifelong family Republicans there, who can't stand what the GOP has become in Texas. There was a time that they would openly debate Republican positions with anyone, and anywhere. Now? They pull a tight light and do not open that cans of worms. And these aren't people in their 20's and 30's. These are people in their 50's through their 70's, who have been Texas anywhere from 30 to 60+ years, or even more.

You would be VERY surprised at some of the non-vocal discomfort people with Republican and Conservative values are feeling right now with the idiots in charge.


No, sadly.  LBJ was right.  Not in my lifetime at least.  Maybe in another 20-30 years Texas might turn purple.  Texas is not Houston, or Austin, or San Antonio.  These are merely islands of sanity in a sea of pure hate.
 
2014-01-28 02:50:54 PM
So the GOP does want government to get between a patient and her doctor.  I wish they'd make up their tiny little minds.
 
2014-01-28 02:54:18 PM

Hoban Washburne: somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.

This was a Lt. Governor debate, but yeah if we managed to elect Governor Good Hair to three farking terms, I am not entirely optimistic.


Sad but true.

I will be voting for not-GOP forever, but I doubt it will help.
 
2014-01-28 02:55:14 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: It's a well-known fact that babies with birth heart defects grow up to comprise the birth of the Republican voting bloc.


FTFY
 
2014-01-28 02:56:07 PM

sobriquet by any other name: Bareefer Obonghit: It's a well-known fact that babies with birth heart defects grow up to comprise the heart birth of the Republican voting bloc.

FTFY


/sorry, itchy enter finger
 
2014-01-28 02:56:08 PM

Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


Were talking about the same god who lied to Adam and Eve saying that eating from the Tree of Knowledge would kill them, when in fact the knowledge gained allowed them to live for hundreds of years beyond their natural lifespan. Yahweh thinks lying to humans is funny.
 
2014-01-28 02:58:51 PM

verbaltoxin: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

Texas law overrode the husband because of its abortion rules. A vegetable is being kept alive because she has a fetus inside her.


Your statement is inaccurate for two reasons.

Ms. Muñoz was brain dead, not a vegetable. A person in a persistent vegetative state is alive. A person who is brain dead is deceased. That difference is important, because it was the basis of Judge R.H. Wallace's ruling: because Ms. Muñoz was dead, the law mandating continued "life support" could not apply (as she had no "life" to "support").

Ms. Muñoz's organs are no longer being sustained by medical machines; she was removed from ventilation on Sunday. Presumably her organs and the fetus within her died very soon after.
 
2014-01-28 02:58:59 PM

BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


Remember, they don't care about the baby any more once it's been born, so while its stay n the womb was a little longer than normal, it had to stay there for it to be a wedge issue for the Right.
 
2014-01-28 02:59:19 PM
What a travesty.  That fetus could have become a Congressman!
 
2014-01-28 03:00:58 PM

rwdavis: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

Were talking about the same god who lied to Adam and Eve saying that eating from the Tree of Knowledge would kill them, when in fact the knowledge gained allowed them to live for hundreds of years beyond their natural lifespan. Yahweh thinks lying to humans is funny.


Also, keep in mind that before they ate of the tree they didn't comprehend sin, so couldn't have known that disobeying god was wrong.  Dick move on god's part, but what do you expect from a bronze age desert death cult?
 
2014-01-28 03:02:18 PM

Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."


Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.
 
2014-01-28 03:03:06 PM

Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.


Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.
 
2014-01-28 03:04:15 PM
A dead woman on life-support is the ideal GOP woman. Why, if you play your cards right, you can maker her have her baby even when she is dead.

I kind of wish the state would have won then billed the father for all those medical expenses the state incurred.
 
2014-01-28 03:09:04 PM

Deucednuisance: Lord_Baull: Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

Hell, ask Job that one.

/He did get a lifetime supply of salt out of the deal, though...


Heh, and atheist to the correction,

Lot's wife was turned into a piller of NaCl
 
2014-01-28 03:09:26 PM
The modern GOP, "we're fine with sending you into crippling debt over medical bills and using state funds as long as it's to force an unwanted or dead child birth or to keep someone who is clinically brain dead alive.  If you want help after you can go fark yourself."
 
2014-01-28 03:10:20 PM

Tigger: Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.

Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.


No question.  I wasn't really arguing though.  More like citing that the idea of the evil genius has been done.
 
2014-01-28 03:11:18 PM
How typically small government of them.
 
2014-01-28 03:11:40 PM
I live in Texas.  I listened to the debate.   No matter who wins, the state loses.
 
2014-01-28 03:12:13 PM

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.
 
2014-01-28 03:14:23 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.


Meh.  It's just another manifestation of the magic "God did it" loophole.  No answer?  "God did it."  Contradiction?  Moral ambiguity?  Bible not clear enough?  "God's testing us."
 
2014-01-28 03:14:24 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: A dead woman on life-support is the ideal GOP woman. Why, if you play your cards right, you can maker her have her baby even when she is dead.

I kind of wish the state would have won then billed the father for all those medical expenses the state incurred.


As I had stated in a previous discussion: intervention by the state was a no-win scenario.

Even without the knowledge of how the public generally disapproved of the government intervention in the Terri Schiavo case, any politician with a competent advisor would be aware that Ms. Muñoz's fetus was not likely to survive for any significant time outside of the womb. Therefore, a "victory" for the state in forcing Ms. Muñoz's corpse to remain connected to a ventilator would be the extraction of a hideously deformed mass of flesh, barely recognizable as human, from a rotting womb that would spend its existence gasping, retching or heaving and the only comfort available to witnesses would be that it lacked the brain development to have any cognition of its condition. When it died -- likely no more than a week after extraction, but likely within hours or even minutes -- Ms. Muñoz's family could again gain media attention, showcasing the further emotional distress forced upon them by the state and -- perhaps even more damningly -- the substantial financial burden from the unwanted medical treatment of a dead person for what amounted to absolutely no benefit whatsoever.

The extremist "pro-life" movement would be mollified by the outcome, based upon their belief that all human "life" is sacred, but they are already voting for conservative, Republican candidates and thus the intervention would have no effect on their political support. Meanwhile, more moderate individuals and those who are currently ambivalent regarding the subject of abortion would be repulsed, pushing them away from supporting a government that would allow such a state.

While I might have found the sudden drop in support for the "pro life" movement amusing, I prefer the actual outcome where the Muñoz family is finally able to bury their loved one without further interference.

This was not a fight that the "pro-life" movement could actually win; any victory would have been Pyrrhic. I suspect that most Republican elected officials in the state (including the Governor) knew this, which would explain the lack of involvement apart from token statements of support (for the hospital) from a few state Representatives.
 
Ant
2014-01-28 03:17:18 PM
We should always err on the side of life

♫ Always err on the right side of life ♫
♪ Dee doo de do de do de do ♪
 
2014-01-28 03:19:11 PM

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


She HAD ONE.  The hospital refused to honor it however saying State law forbids withdrawal of life support from a preganant woman and that her Advanced Directive was meaningless
 
2014-01-28 03:20:00 PM
SMALL GOVERNMENT!
 
2014-01-28 03:20:01 PM

baka-san: Heh, and atheist to the correction,

Lot's wife was turned into a piller of NaCl


You are of course correct, thanks.

Just another card in the deck marked "Yahweh is a dick", though.
 
Ant
2014-01-28 03:21:57 PM

what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually


When blue moves further to the right.
 
2014-01-28 03:23:15 PM
My pro-life friends were so hostile with me when I posted this a few weeks ago. Basically it's a "pro-lifer" who's actually for abortions and birth control. Why? Because when women have access to those options you actually save more lives to include that of unborn babies. It was a good read. How I Lost Faith in the Pro-Life Movement.

But anyway, this topic has definitely been a hot button issue with the Catholic side of my family who actually are living in Texas right now. But when my grandparents came out and said it was time to unplug this poor woman I knew the fight was over.

Here's a fun fact: Back in the 60s the above mentioned grandmother was very pregnant with their 4th child and confirmed first son when she suffered a cardiac arrest in a public setting. Basically a doctor on the scene told my grandfather that he could only save one of them right there before transport could arrive (and if this gentleman wasn't there to begin with grandpa would have been a single dad in less than an hour). He chose his wife over the viable fetus. I can't even imagine the outrage that would have taken place after the fact these days.
 
2014-01-28 03:24:39 PM

Wyalt Derp: SMALL GOVERNMENT!


Small enough to fit in a woman's womb.
 
2014-01-28 03:26:47 PM
Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

i55.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-28 03:26:48 PM

Tigger: Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.

Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.


Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.
 
2014-01-28 03:27:12 PM

qorkfiend: Spend taxpayer money keeping a brain-dead woman "alive"? No problem.
Spend taxpayer money delivering a dead fetus? You bet. All life is sacred!

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE


Actually I read an article that the family of the deceased woman was going to get a bill for hundreds of thousands of dollars for "keeping her and the baby 'alive'".
 
2014-01-28 03:27:12 PM

Magorn: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

She HAD ONE.  The hospital refused to honor it however saying State law forbids withdrawal of life support from a preganant woman and that her Advanced Directive was meaningless


Holy shiat, is that a fact?!

Okay, then the state acted absolutely improperly, in this case and in my opinion.

Your body belongs to you. What if she had one that stated she wanted intervention and the laws interfered with access to that?

Texas is quite FUBAR. President Bush (whilst governor) signed into law a bill that would allow hospitals to NOT honor your advanced directive if they (their 'ethics committees') determined such care was futile.

Does that state actually give a fark about life or are they just trying to enforce what THEY think is a right to life.

Either way, too farked up for my sensibilities.
 
2014-01-28 03:29:53 PM

Deucednuisance: baka-san: Heh, and atheist to the correction,

Lot's wife was turned into a piller of NaCl

You are of course correct, thanks.

Just another card in the deck marked "Yahweh is a dick", though.



My favorite is the psyche he pulled on Abraham. He must have been laughing his ass off when Abraham was about to kill his son. "Oh, you should have *snicker* seen your face. Priceless." *snort* "But seriously, go f*ck Sarah's handmaiden."
 
Ant
2014-01-28 03:31:56 PM

qorkfiend: Spend taxpayer money keeping a brain-dead woman "alive"? No problem.
Spend taxpayer money on actual living people's health care? We'd rather go to hell.
Spend taxpayer money delivering a dead fetus? You bet. All life is sacred!
Spend taxpayer money on health care for infants, children, and their mothers? Nope, they're just moochers.

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE


Part of the problem is that their sense of what is moral is based on blindly following divine authority instead of being based on what actually causes harm in the real world.
 
2014-01-28 03:35:56 PM

cold_weather_tex: orclover: what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.

Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.

I think you'll pleasantly surprised in the coming years actually.

Being from Texas, I know quite a few staunch, lifelong family Republicans there, who can't stand what the GOP has become in Texas. There was a time that they would openly debate Republican positions with anyone, and anywhere. Now? They pull a tight light and do not open that cans of worms. And these aren't people in their 20's and 30's. These are people in their 50's through their 70's, who have been Texas anywhere from 30 to 60+ years, or even more.

You would be VERY surprised at some of the non-vocal discomfort people with Republican and Conservative values are feeling right now with the idiots in charge.


Is their discomfort reflected come election time?
 
2014-01-28 03:44:37 PM

menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

[i55.photobucket.com image 282x428]


The problem with that is we would be bordering a failed state within two years.
 
2014-01-28 03:46:32 PM
UrukHaiGuyz:

Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.

In my brief year of philosophy before I shiatcanned it for a real degree, the tutor started with. "Descartes is considered to be both the founder of modern philosophy and everything that's wrong with it".
 
2014-01-28 03:51:09 PM

Tigger: UrukHaiGuyz:

Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.

In my brief year of philosophy before I shiatcanned it for a real degree, the tutor started with. "Descartes is considered to be both the founder of modern philosophy and everything that's wrong with it".


Well, he was a drunken fart.
 
2014-01-28 03:51:25 PM
Still worth it. We've had not-so-great countries over our borders at times in the past.

Just think, without them we'd have the ability to govern like grown-ups.
 
2014-01-28 03:55:50 PM
The fundies really were looking forward to having a deformed kid to punish and smite, weren't they?
 
2014-01-28 03:56:02 PM
GOP - Ensuring that retards and the unwanted are born so that conservatives can feel superior to them since forever.™

//there may be some redundancies in the above statement
 
2014-01-28 03:56:59 PM

menschenfresser: Still worth it. We've had not-so-great countries over our borders at times in the past.

Just think, without them we'd have the ability to govern like grown-ups.


Until they decided they were the True Heirs of American Democracy and invaded to "reclaim their birthright".
 
2014-01-28 03:58:14 PM

BizarreMan: What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


and what it stayed for 2 1/2 months. I briefly thought maybe these dickholes would lear that just because you can make blood flow and push air in and out, death is death.
Then I lol'd because I knew better.
 
2014-01-28 03:59:43 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-01-28 04:01:32 PM

qorkfiend: menschenfresser: Still worth it. We've had not-so-great countries over our borders at times in the past.

Just think, without them we'd have the ability to govern like grown-ups.

Until they decided they were the True Heirs of American Democracy and invaded to "reclaim their birthright".


Right, and of course they would do that I suppose. We'd have to work out the return of all the weaponry and military infrastructure to the US (we paid for it anyhow, the federal tax moochers) before the handover. Then their invasion would likely not be any more successful than last time they tried to invade the north. I know it'll be fraught with little details like this, but they obviously hate being forced to live in civilized society (or with government at all, it seems) and they're preventing us from governing like a first-world country. It's a win/win since it's mutually-desired.
 
2014-01-28 04:01:47 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.


That may have been true, and then some retard thought the libs were serious and believed it.
 
2014-01-28 04:04:36 PM

menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.


Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.
 
2014-01-28 04:05:37 PM
I honestly believe we should have a five year plan to split this country up.  Not sure how the coasts are going to remain together - maybe we need to have a little trail connecting them via the least derpy states in the middle.

At any rate, it's beyond sad that we have certain morons trying to dictate morality as their sole legislative agenda, and the rest do not have the slightest f*cking clue how economics work.  Can you imagine if New York and the other metro areas were severed from the Red States of America?  We can find people to work in plants and on farms in the Blue States of America, good luck finding intellectuals to run your failed state, assholes
 
2014-01-28 04:06:50 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.


Um, you realize there are plenty of southerners who moved North?  I don't think the North has the inability to have good BBQ, it just doesn't have the desire to make it every other restaurant.
 
2014-01-28 04:06:51 PM

Lord_Baull: My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


We don't talk. I am, however, on her Christmas letter list, which I read for the laffs. My spouse doesn't do that much. They don't get along very well.
 
2014-01-28 04:11:25 PM

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


IIRC, she had a DNR.  The hospital determined that the law trumped it.
 
2014-01-28 04:12:28 PM
phenn: Texas is quite FUBAR. President Bush (whilst governor) signed into law a bill that would allow hospitals to NOT honor your advanced directive if they (their 'ethics committees') determined such care was futile.

Yeah, it's pretty farked. Now there are articles coming out where the lawyers and law makers who helped draft the law didn't intend for this kind of consequence. They were thinking more along the lines of, say, a cancer patient who signed a DNR but is also 6 months pregnant. Even then that's kind of messed up too. They didn't think that a brain dead corpse was going to be included.

Yeah right *eye roll*
 
2014-01-28 04:12:44 PM

BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


Maybe he thinks dead woman should be kept alive as long as there is a chance the night janitor could fertilize one of her eggs.  Err on the side of life.
 
x23
2014-01-28 04:12:57 PM

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


controversy.wearscience.com
 
2014-01-28 04:14:35 PM

urbangirl: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

IIRC, she had a DNR.  The hospital determined that the law trumped it.


She did. Both she and her husband had filed the appropriate legal paper work to make their wishes known because they knew what end of life care looked like and knew that that they didn't want to go through with it. However in this case the judge basically ruled that the hospital misinterpreted the law.
 
2014-01-28 04:16:01 PM
Well someone had to tell Quaid to start the reactor.
 
2014-01-28 04:16:11 PM

mrshowrules: BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?

Maybe he thinks dead woman should be kept alive as long as there is a chance the night janitor could fertilize one of her eggs.  Err on the side of life.


I'm thinking that most Republicans read the Handmaid's Tale and saw it more as a social proposal than a dystopic horror.
 
2014-01-28 04:17:47 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.


Yes, they exist and they have friends and offspring that echo and reinforce such things. And don't get me wrong, I support homeschooling in principle, but she (and her church buddies) homeschool so they're not getting exposed to anything else.
 
2014-01-28 04:17:51 PM
The Axlotl Tank (a combination of the term "Axlotl", a small animal capable of regenerating limbs) was a device used by the Bene Tleilax to create and nurture their products, especially gholas and other complete organisms. Tank" is a misnomer term. The actual artifact consists of a sessile human female who has been modified to dormantly accept chemical and biological cues necessary to grow the needed biological artifacts. These may be "grown" in another Axlotl tank or may be formed from a sexually mature human female. Normally the personality of the adult female is either suppressed or destroyed during the process of "formation" or "installation".
The Tleilaxu's use of their females for this purpose was beleived to demonstrate either a profound sense of devotion to their God or a horrific ultimate gesture of "utilitarianism". In any case, supressing the wisdom and complementary mental and emotional skills of their females may have doomed the all male Bene Tleilax to destruction at the hands of the "Honored Matres" and was certainly a immense and profound flaw in their culture.
 
2014-01-28 04:19:23 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.


Absolutely, we should welcome people who want to live in the first-world part of the former USA - just like we should forcibly boot out regressive conservatards like Bachmann, etc. so they can experience the "paradise" they've been fighting for all these years.
 
2014-01-28 04:20:19 PM

coeyagi: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

Um, you realize there are plenty of southerners who moved North?  I don't think the North has the inability to have good BBQ, it just doesn't have the desire to make it every other restaurant.


You guys grill and put barbecue sauce on it. It's tasty, and cute.

I'm just saying some of us are sane and would defect. And we know how to make the slow-cooked whole pig kind of barbecue.
 
2014-01-28 04:22:56 PM

KatjaMouse: mrshowrules: BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?

Maybe he thinks dead woman should be kept alive as long as there is a chance the night janitor could fertilize one of her eggs.  Err on the side of life.

I'm thinking that most Republicans read the Handmaid's Tale and saw it more as a social proposal than a dystopic horror.


Republicans look at A Handmaid's Tale in the same way Jeffrey Dahmer looked at A Modest Proposal.

/These moralizing assholes are monsters and the husband should sue them into the farking ground for putting her family through that sort of hell.
 
2014-01-28 04:24:28 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.

Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.


Cogito ergo groan
 
2014-01-28 04:27:41 PM
Heh... This is what happens when you're proudly ignorant and blinded by a farked up ideology.
 
2014-01-28 04:28:40 PM

phenn: Magorn: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

She HAD ONE.  The hospital refused to honor it however saying State law forbids withdrawal of life support from a preganant woman and that her Advanced Directive was meaningless

Holy shiat, is that a fact?!

Okay, then the state acted absolutely improperly, in this case and in my opinion.

Your body belongs to you. What if she had one that stated she wanted intervention and the laws interfered with access to that?

Texas is quite FUBAR. President Bush (whilst governor) signed into law a bill that would allow hospitals to NOT honor your advanced directive if they (their 'ethics committees') determined such care was futile.

Does that state actually give a fark about life or are they just trying to enforce what THEY think is a right to life.

Either way, too farked up for my sensibilities.


I have always wondered how he got a pass from "pro-lifers" on that one and why it never came up when he was posturing during the Terry Schaivo mess.   I wonder what the people screaming about "death panels" would say if they realized the Bush actually created one in Texas.

I also think the family would have a decent tort case for assault  and battery for continuing to treat the woman when it was clear that she and her proxies did not consent to continued treatment
 
2014-01-28 04:33:04 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: coeyagi: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

Um, you realize there are plenty of southerners who moved North?  I don't think the North has the inability to have good BBQ, it just doesn't have the desire to make it every other restaurant.

You guys grill and put barbecue sauce on it. It's tasty, and cute.

I'm just saying some of us are sane and would defect. And we know how to make the slow-cooked whole pig kind of barbecue.


Come on up, but again, we have people who know what vinegar is.
 
2014-01-28 04:38:01 PM

Diogenes: UrukHaiGuyz: Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.

Which is why a good intro to philosophy class will cover him in the intro. Sometimes you gotta put Descartes before the course.

Cogito ergo groan


Thought it went under the radar, cheers!

/and profuse apologies :)
 
2014-01-28 04:40:16 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.


If you need recipe, it's not BBQ
 
2014-01-28 04:46:32 PM

cretinbob: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

If you need recipe, it's not BBQ


THANK YOU!

For gods sakes people if you are using more than 3 seasons then your cooking, not BBQing.  The most important ingredients are smoke and time.   Its technique, not secret family spices.  This aint yankee fodder.
 
2014-01-28 04:49:24 PM
The GOP are so obsessed with abortion that they could have confirmation a woman was pregnant with the AntiChrist and wanted to abort and they would force her to term.

/not that they don't want Armageddon to start to begin with.
 
2014-01-28 04:52:52 PM

phenn: Magorn: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

She HAD ONE.  The hospital refused to honor it however saying State law forbids withdrawal of life support from a preganant woman and that her Advanced Directive was meaningless

Holy shiat, is that a fact?!

Okay, then the state acted absolutely improperly, in this case and in my opinion.

Your body belongs to you. What if she had one that stated she wanted intervention and the laws interfered with access to that?

Texas is quite FUBAR. President Bush (whilst governor) signed into law a bill that would allow hospitals to NOT honor your advanced directive if they (their 'ethics committees') determined such care was futile.

Does that state actually give a fark about life or are they just trying to enforce what THEY think is a right to life.

Either way, too farked up for my sensibilities.


How did you not already know this?  This is "small government" in action.  A power vacuum is created and filled with Jesus Juice.  A government so small it fits in your pants.
 
2014-01-28 04:56:33 PM

Magorn: I have always wondered how he got a pass from "pro-lifers" on that one and why it never came up when he was posturing during the Terry Schaivo mess. I wonder what the people screaming about "death panels" would say if they realized the Bush actually created one in Texas.


As with most things, conveniently absent from the discourse.

When Terri was dying, another girl in Texas was the center of a case. Forgive me, but I cannot recall her name at the moment. In any event, the family wished to continue treatment (this is a minor we're discussing) and the hospital did not. Nor did they want to allow the family to get her moved. I do believe the young girl died in the process.

Mr. Bush made that happen - along with the 'pro-life' legislative body in Texas.

I honestly think that, if the 'state' values human life, they will stay the fark out of it. Back to what I said earlier: Your body belongs to you.
 
2014-01-28 04:58:35 PM

orclover: cretinbob: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

If you need recipe, it's not BBQ

THANK YOU!

For gods sakes people if you are using more than 3 seasons then your cooking, not BBQing.  The most important ingredients are smoke and time.   Its technique, not secret family spices.  This aint yankee fodder.


I hate to say this, but I prefer nearly every other method of making meat edible to BBQ. I like grilling because I can create delicious vegetable, fruit or meats using my grill, and also my grill is about the size of my cat, which is perfect for my apartment. I can still only use it when it's warm enough that I don't want to kill someone when I go outside.

I'm glad that this poor woman, who has been dead since before Thanksgiving, and her family can finally rest a little bit. Not that the woman noticed anything.
 
2014-01-28 05:00:16 PM

Deucednuisance: Lord_Baull: Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

Hell, ask Job that one.

/He did get a lifetime supply of salt out of the deal, though...


You're thinking of Lot.
 
2014-01-28 05:00:45 PM

Selena Luna: orclover: cretinbob: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

If you need recipe, it's not BBQ

THANK YOU!

For gods sakes people if you are using more than 3 seasons then your cooking, not BBQing.  The most important ingredients are smoke and time.   Its technique, not secret family spices.  This aint yankee fodder.

I hate to say this, but I prefer nearly every other method of making meat edible to BBQ. I like grilling because I can create delicious vegetable, fruit or meats using my grill, and also my grill is about the size of my cat, which is perfect for my apartment when I want to grill my cat.

 
2014-01-28 05:03:25 PM

phenn: Magorn: I have always wondered how he got a pass from "pro-lifers" on that one and why it never came up when he was posturing during the Terry Schaivo mess. I wonder what the people screaming about "death panels" would say if they realized the Bush actually created one in Texas.

As with most things, conveniently absent from the discourse.

When Terri was dying, another girl in Texas was the center of a case. Forgive me, but I cannot recall her name at the moment. In any event, the family wished to continue treatment (this is a minor we're discussing) and the hospital did not. Nor did they want to allow the family to get her moved. I do believe the young girl died in the process.

Mr. Bush made that happen - along with the 'pro-life' legislative body in Texas.

I honestly think that, if the 'state' values human life, they will stay the fark out of it. Back to what I said earlier: Your body belongs to you.


As I recall, the child in Texas was not white, so allowing the child to die was acceptable.
 
2014-01-28 05:11:50 PM
Love the "government shouldn't make your healthcare choices" Republicans.
 
2014-01-28 05:30:04 PM

UrukHaiGuyz: Selena Luna: orclover: cretinbob: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

If you need recipe, it's not BBQ

THANK YOU!

For gods sakes people if you are using more than 3 seasons then your cooking, not BBQing.  The most important ingredients are smoke and time.   Its technique, not secret family spices.  This aint yankee fodder.

I hate to say this, but I prefer nearly every other method of making meat edible to BBQ. I like grilling because I can create delicious vegetable, fruit or meats using my grill, and also my grill is about the size of my cat, which is perfect for my apartment when I want to grill my cat.


To be fair i'm a smoker not a griller.
i153.photobucket.com
Good fer about 50 or 60 cats at a time depending on size.
 
2014-01-28 05:41:47 PM
Do people who are brain dead but on a ventilator come back as zombies? Or do you have to pull the plug first? This question has been bugging me for a while.
 
2014-01-28 05:43:13 PM

fusillade762: Do people who are brain dead but on a ventilator come back as zombies? Or do you have to pull the plug first? This question has been bugging me for a while.


As the brain of a brain dead individual has died and will liquefy relatively quickly, reanimation of such a corpse is extremely unlikely.
 
2014-01-28 05:43:17 PM

phenn: Magorn: I have always wondered how he got a pass from "pro-lifers" on that one and why it never came up when he was posturing during the Terry Schaivo mess. I wonder what the people screaming about "death panels" would say if they realized the Bush actually created one in Texas.

As with most things, conveniently absent from the discourse.

When Terri was dying, another girl in Texas was the center of a case. Forgive me, but I cannot recall her name at the moment. In any event, the family wished to continue treatment (this is a minor we're discussing) and the hospital did not. Nor did they want to allow the family to get her moved. I do believe the young girl died in the process.

Mr. Bush made that happen - along with the 'pro-life' legislative body in Texas.

I honestly think that, if the 'state' values human life, they will stay the fark out of it. Back to what I said earlier: Your body belongs to you.


I'm pretty sure that family didn't have money, which is what made her different than Schiavo.  At the time people did comment on the difference.  The hospital basically refused treatment because the family couldn't pay.
 
2014-01-28 05:45:16 PM
A 'dead woman kept alive for fetus' thread morphs into BBQ discussion....

....I'mOKwiththis.jpg

/only on fark
 
2014-01-28 05:47:53 PM

Flatulent_Flea: A 'dead woman kept alive for fetus' thread morphs into BBQ discussion....

....I'mOKwiththis.jpg

/only on fark


I'm just amazed we got this far in the thread without anyone posting pictures of trophy cases on pianos.
 
2014-01-28 05:50:00 PM

Dimensio: fusillade762: Do people who are brain dead but on a ventilator come back as zombies? Or do you have to pull the plug first? This question has been bugging me for a while.

As the brain of a brain dead individual has died and will liquefy relatively quickly, reanimation of such a corpse is extremely unlikely.


I would think that they would come back as zombies before the ventilator is pulled. They would probably pull it themselves.  Maybe drag it along.   Zombiefication seems to take place more with brain death than body death.  So she would have come back shortly after her trip to the hospital.  Before her brain had a chance to liquefy.
 
2014-01-28 06:28:44 PM
Yet these farktards will willingly deny healthcare or any assistance once the child was born.
 
2014-01-28 06:31:06 PM
All the "conservatives" on Fark are self loathing poors.
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2014-01-28 06:36:48 PM
So, I use to think that the most horrifying thing I could imagine happening to myself or a family member would involve some kind of traumatic brain injury.

Now I have competition for first place.  This - the idea that under state law my wife or other loved one could be forcibly kept on life support, past the point of brain death, so that they could carry to term a heavily deformed fetus, which would likely, maybe even hopefully, die during or shortly after child birth - this is horror movie material.  I would be in therapy for life if I had to deal with that shiat.

So now Texas Republicans are saying the nightmare scenario above is what they actually intended and wanted to happen?
 
2014-01-28 06:41:14 PM

Nuuu: So, I use to think that the most horrifying thing I could imagine happening to myself or a family member would involve some kind of traumatic brain injury.

Now I have competition for first place.  This - the idea that under state law my wife or other loved one could be forcibly kept on life support, past the point of brain death, so that they could carry to term a heavily deformed fetus, which would likely, maybe even hopefully, die during or shortly after child birth - this is horror movie material.  I would be in therapy for life if I had to deal with that shiat.

So now Texas Republicans are saying the nightmare scenario above is what they actually intended and wanted to happen?


Your scenario is not a complete representation of what "pro-life" Republican activists desire.

They also wish for you to be burdened with the substantial costs for the medical "care" provided to the corpse of your loved one for the duration of the fetus's gestation.
 
2014-01-28 06:42:38 PM

ParallelUniverseParking: Texas' Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson:"We should always err on the side of life."[img.fark.net image 225x224]
Riiight...


Cushions and a pillow? What the fark? You're killing someone, not giving them a handjob!
 
2014-01-28 06:44:38 PM

Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


People would rather beleive that their God is a lying bastard then entertain the idea that their beliefs are false.
 
2014-01-28 07:05:11 PM
phenn:   Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian.


Last line of Texas Advance Directive form, right above your signature:

"I understand that under Texas law this directive has no effect if I have been diagnosed as pregnant."

NOT avoiding the Texas Advance Directive by actually signing the document serves as written consent for the state to VOID the entire contract and take control if you're pregnant.

As far as guardianship, when a spouse dies the surviving spouse is granted legal and medical power of attorney just like everywhere else.
 
2014-01-28 07:05:14 PM

Lord_Baull: All four Republican candidates for Texas lieutenant governor agreed that state law should prevent families from removing brain dead women and their badly deformed fetuses from life support.

Or as we call it, "increasing the voter base."


And, all of them are going against even the state of Texas, which stated that this law wasn't made for cases like this...though they damn well should have known some "pro-life" nut would use it for it.
 
2014-01-28 07:18:43 PM
Did it seem at all creepy that each and every candidate bragged with the exact same words how the four most-powerful 'pro-life' groups gave them A's for their 'pro-life' words and deeds?

Did it seem at all financially motivated that each and every candidate parroted verbatim the 'pro-life' script??

Did it seem at all reprehensible that each and every candidate pretended their beliefs are actually their own and not that of the 'pro-life' groups who sign their campaign contributions???


I would have puked while watching this debate-of-the-snakes, but simply could not find a vomitorium large enough.
 
2014-01-28 07:29:13 PM

abb3w: BizarreMan: We should always err on the side of life

Does that mean Patterson supports abolishing the death penalty in favor of life imprisonment? Or does he deny that Texas has ever erred by convicting and executing someone who was innocent?

Marcus Aurelius: Not to mention all the people on death row. He still wants them dead, and very badly, I take it.

Ah. So much for hoping for logical consistency from a Texas politician.


Anyone on death row must be guilty of something. Sure, maybe one or two didn't commit the specific crime they were executed for, but good, upstanding Christians don't get convicted of capital crimes.
 
2014-01-28 07:32:02 PM
And really, who HASN'T thought that lobotomizing women and turning them into baby factorys was a good idea!

/ You know who you are...
 
2014-01-28 07:39:20 PM

what_now: somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, our country is boned.


She won't win. Texas isn't ready for a Democratic Governor and she doesn't have the ground game.  Texas will go blue, eventually.


Texas Monthly has already called it, that no way Davis can win and Texas won't go blue for another decade.

Since Texas is so thumbs-up for dead women on life-support, I say we dig up Ann Richards and put her on a ventilator.  Even and perhaps especially as an angry zombie, Ann Richards would open a weapons-grade can of anti-tard whoopass on Texas so staggering that even Goober Gohmert couldn't shout over it.

Ann did not suffer fools gladly, but her real gift was charming them into thinking she did.
 
2014-01-28 07:39:52 PM
Like I said. There was never going to be a happy ending to that story.
At least these guys didn't get their way, though.
 
2014-01-28 07:57:38 PM

Tigger: Diogenes: Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."

Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.

Problem with using Descartes to argue anything is that he was completely wrong all the time. He's sort of the Bill Kristol of philosophy.


He was also a drunken fart.

/hopefully not obscure
 
2014-01-28 08:05:04 PM

Crusader: Insure that likely brain damaged child is born = good
Insure that likely brain damaged child has social programs and funding to help = SOCIALOBAMACARE!!1!1!!

Is that how this goes?


That fetus wasn't brain damaged. From all I've read, doctors said it had no brain tissue, only a blob of liquid where it's brain was supposed to be. Every doctor that examined this case said that the deformities were not compatible with life. Basically, it would have been born dead. But the hospital and these candidates wanted to put an already suffering family through that because Jesus or something.
 
2014-01-28 08:05:27 PM

meat0918: I've tried to give a fark about this, but really, this is a decision between the doctors and her husband, and now unfortunately the courts because the hospital would not follow the families instructions.  Damn the media in this country, and damn those that are fueling it by consuming it (myself not exempt from that condemnation).

Hopefully more people will have those end of life instructions ready, and if you're a women consider you might be pregnant and brain dead at the same time.


Um, she did

coeyagi: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll

Wait, there are people who still seriously believe that?

I thought that was just a joke amongst liberals to make fun of fundies by exaggerating their beliefs.

That may have been true, and then some retard thought the libs were serious and believed it.


A little sketch about the subject (borderline NSFW)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlqDu2cDT0A
 
2014-01-28 08:06:27 PM
Damn formatting.
 
2014-01-28 10:15:40 PM

coeyagi: I honestly believe we should have a five year plan to split this country up.  Not sure how the coasts are going to remain together - maybe we need to have a little trail connecting them via the least derpy states in the middle.

At any rate, it's beyond sad that we have certain morons trying to dictate morality as their sole legislative agenda, and the rest do not have the slightest f*cking clue how economics work.  Can you imagine if New York and the other metro areas were severed from the Red States of America?  We can find people to work in plants and on farms in the Blue States of America, good luck finding intellectuals to run your failed state, assholes


We can have a safe harbor in Colorado.

I don't know what the hell is wrong with people regarding this issue. I mean, IF the baby had somehow actually survived to be "born"--a big enough if right there--was the next step going to be to force the father to raise it? Who was going to devote the hundreds of thousands of dollars to the hideously deformed blob? Do these weirdos not even think beyond the next talking point?

.....okay, well, that answers that question, I guess.
 
2014-01-29 12:10:37 AM

orclover: UrukHaiGuyz: Selena Luna: orclover: cretinbob: Zarquon's Flat Tire: menschenfresser: Just get rid of the potato states already. This derp-derp imaginationland nonsense is beyond being a joke now.

Y'all just be ready to offer political asylum to quite a few of us. But we're bringing the BBQ recipes with us, so I'm sure we'll be welcomed with open arms.

If you need recipe, it's not BBQ

THANK YOU!

For gods sakes people if you are using more than 3 seasons then your cooking, not BBQing.  The most important ingredients are smoke and time.   Its technique, not secret family spices.  This aint yankee fodder.

I hate to say this, but I prefer nearly every other method of making meat edible to BBQ. I like grilling because I can create delicious vegetable, fruit or meats using my grill, and also my grill is about the size of my cat, which is perfect for my apartment when I want to grill my cat.

To be fair i'm a smoker not a griller.
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Good fer about 50 or 60 cats at a time depending on size.


That's quite a box........

I have a Brinkman like that that's 15 years old. Good heavy steel. I've looked at newer ones and they are thin crappy things that won't hold heat. I may go electric if I ever have to replace it.
 
2014-01-29 03:16:28 AM
Can you imagine?  One day, your wife is pregnant with your child, the next she has a freak medical issue and is brain dead.  Then, after the completely traumatic and terrible loss of your wife and unborn baby, the farking hospital insists that they need to keep her organs running against her explicit wishes because they have religious beliefs you don't have?

I hope this guy sues them into the ground.  He should own that farking hospital when this is all said and done.
 
2014-01-29 03:49:54 AM
I am not showing this grotesque nightmare to my Finns, no frakkin way.
 
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