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(The Raw Story)   At last night's debate for GOP gubernatorial candidates in TX, all four candidates re-affirmed their strong pro-zombie stances, saying a brain dead woman should have been kept alive until she delivered her deformed fetus   (rawstory.com) divider line 144
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2014-01-28 12:34:25 PM
"We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?
 
2014-01-28 12:39:21 PM
Patrick conceded that some exceptions must be made in the case where a mother's life is placed "truly in danger," and he advocated helping low-income women who are pregnant.

"You always protect life in every situation," Patrick said. "Provide money for low-income women. Do whatever it takes to protect life - even raise money from businesses."


Oh, your screwed. Abortion isn't about the fetus you fool. It's about punishing whores, and it's CERTAINLY not about asking Job Creators (PBUT) to contribute to the dirty little whores and their filthy bastards.
 
2014-01-28 12:41:39 PM
Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.
 
2014-01-28 12:48:49 PM

BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


Not to mention all the people on death row.  He still wants them dead, and very badly, I take it.
 
2014-01-28 01:02:01 PM
Insure that likely brain damaged child is born = good
Insure that likely brain damaged child has social programs and funding to help = SOCIALOBAMACARE!!1!1!!

Is that how this goes?
 
2014-01-28 01:02:46 PM
Remember, Government should be small, but have complete control of your actions in all matters related to religion.
 
2014-01-28 01:27:26 PM

Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.


so we're bringing back death panels? Cause it sounds like what they were saying about death panels.
 
2014-01-28 01:28:29 PM
If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.
 
2014-01-28 01:47:22 PM

somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.


This was a Lt. Governor debate, but yeah if we managed to elect Governor Good Hair to three farking terms, I am not entirely optimistic.
 
2014-01-28 01:48:20 PM

BizarreMan: We should always err on the side of life


Does that mean Patterson supports abolishing the death penalty in favor of life imprisonment? Or does he deny that Texas has ever erred by convicting and executing someone who was innocent?

Marcus Aurelius: Not to mention all the people on death row. He still wants them dead, and very badly, I take it.


Ah. So much for hoping for logical consistency from a Texas politician.
 
2014-01-28 01:55:01 PM

somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.


She won't win. Texas isn't ready for a Democratic Governor and she doesn't have the ground game. However, the fact that the idiots in TX are making a national story out of her life means that she'll stick around for a long, long time.

Texas will go blue, eventually. And when it does, people will know who she is and they'll know that her opponents focused on her divorce and student loans instead of her policies. Most people think that's bullshiat.
 
2014-01-28 02:00:30 PM
Well, I'm convinced.
 
2014-01-28 02:00:34 PM
Somewhere, Mel Martinez is shaking his head and mumbling.
 
2014-01-28 02:04:19 PM
"When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.
 
2014-01-28 02:17:10 PM
It's a well-known fact that babies with birth defects grow up to comprise the heart of the Republican voting bloc.
 
2014-01-28 02:19:43 PM
Texas' Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson:"We should always err on the side of life."

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Riiight...
 
2014-01-28 02:27:29 PM

what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.


Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.
 
2014-01-28 02:27:30 PM
All four Republican candidates for Texas lieutenant governor agreed that state law should prevent families from removing brain dead women and their badly deformed fetuses from life support.

Or as we call it, "increasing the voter base."
 
2014-01-28 02:27:44 PM
The GOP has a long pro-zombie record. See: Jesus.
 
2014-01-28 02:28:56 PM

Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.


My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll
 
2014-01-28 02:30:17 PM
Spend taxpayer money keeping a brain-dead woman "alive"? No problem.
Spend taxpayer money on actual living people's health care? We'd rather go to hell.
Spend taxpayer money delivering a dead fetus? You bet. All life is sacred!
Spend taxpayer money on health care for infants, children, and their mothers? Nope, they're just moochers.

WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE

 
2014-01-28 02:30:18 PM

Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.


Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.
 
2014-01-28 02:30:20 PM

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


So oil profits are the devils' gift? Or God's?

/I haz a ponder...
 
2014-01-28 02:32:20 PM

Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll



Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.
 
2014-01-28 02:36:34 PM
I've tried to give a fark about this, but really, this is a decision between the doctors and her husband, and now unfortunately the courts because the hospital would not follow the families instructions.  Damn the media in this country, and damn those that are fueling it by consuming it (myself not exempt from that condemnation).

Hopefully more people will have those end of life instructions ready, and if you're a women consider you might be pregnant and brain dead at the same time.
 
2014-01-28 02:37:04 PM
Good. Keep it up. This will never come back to haunt you.
 
2014-01-28 02:37:20 PM
"I think kids growing up in Texas ought to learn about other religions as well," Patterson said. "In part so they feel comfortable with their own (and) in part because they see some of the things that would give them pause."

In regards to Christianity? Good point.
 
2014-01-28 02:39:37 PM

somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.


It's Texas.
 
2014-01-28 02:39:42 PM

orclover: what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.

Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.


I think you'll pleasantly surprised in the coming years actually.

Being from Texas, I know quite a few staunch, lifelong family Republicans there, who can't stand what the GOP has become in Texas. There was a time that they would openly debate Republican positions with anyone, and anywhere. Now? They pull a tight light and do not open that cans of worms. And these aren't people in their 20's and 30's. These are people in their 50's through their 70's, who have been Texas anywhere from 30 to 60+ years, or even more.

You would be VERY surprised at some of the non-vocal discomfort people with Republican and Conservative values are feeling right now with the idiots in charge.
 
2014-01-28 02:40:50 PM
"We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

I thought that the actual phrase was "always err on the bright side of life".
 
2014-01-28 02:40:53 PM

Lord_Baull: Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


Hell, ask Job that one.

/He did get a lifetime supply of salt out of the deal, though...
 
2014-01-28 02:41:01 PM

Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


The response will be 'ineffable plan'
 
2014-01-28 02:42:10 PM

qorkfiend: WHAT THE fark IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE


They're Republicans, they're obviously supposed to be like that. Perhaps you could phrase your question differently.
 
2014-01-28 02:43:32 PM

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


Texas law overrode the husband because of its abortion rules. A vegetable is being kept alive because she has a fetus inside her.
 
2014-01-28 02:43:44 PM

phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.


That is completely wrong. She HAD an advanced directive, the hospital ignored it because Texas law overrules the directive in the case of a pregnant woman on life support.

The problem- she was not longer alive. She wasn't ON life support, she wasn't in a coma, she was dead, but the hospital's attorney decided to make his bones to the pro-life crowd.
 
2014-01-28 02:44:13 PM

Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'



So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."
 
2014-01-28 02:46:20 PM
Candidates for Lieutenant Governor, subby. Not Governor. Though it used to be that the Lt. Gov. wielded as much or more power than the Governor on account of how the Legislature is set up. Not sure how that morphed in recent years. I know Perry's been around long enough to use his appointment power to exert a lot more control than had been seen in a while. That's my impression, at least.
 
2014-01-28 02:47:38 PM
Have any of these assholes been arrested yet for mandating and making creationism(retards science) a part of schools, which is a violation of church and state?

/Oh right, it's Texass where laws and regulations are only for those you violently hate.
 
2014-01-28 02:49:11 PM
Well to make the argument that abortion of a fetus shouldn't be legal you also have to make the argument that releasing brain dead people from life support should be illegal because both are brain dead. If consciousness is the definition of life, your whole argument against abortion goes to hell.
 
2014-01-28 02:50:40 PM

cold_weather_tex: orclover: what_now: Texas will go blue, eventually.

Yes it will.  I just highly doubt either of us will live long enough to see it.

I think you'll pleasantly surprised in the coming years actually.

Being from Texas, I know quite a few staunch, lifelong family Republicans there, who can't stand what the GOP has become in Texas. There was a time that they would openly debate Republican positions with anyone, and anywhere. Now? They pull a tight light and do not open that cans of worms. And these aren't people in their 20's and 30's. These are people in their 50's through their 70's, who have been Texas anywhere from 30 to 60+ years, or even more.

You would be VERY surprised at some of the non-vocal discomfort people with Republican and Conservative values are feeling right now with the idiots in charge.


No, sadly.  LBJ was right.  Not in my lifetime at least.  Maybe in another 20-30 years Texas might turn purple.  Texas is not Houston, or Austin, or San Antonio.  These are merely islands of sanity in a sea of pure hate.
 
2014-01-28 02:50:54 PM
So the GOP does want government to get between a patient and her doctor.  I wish they'd make up their tiny little minds.
 
2014-01-28 02:54:18 PM

Hoban Washburne: somedude210: If Wendy Davis can't win against one of these retards, I gotta say, our country as a whole is pretty boned if this is coming from one of the largest states in the Union.

This was a Lt. Governor debate, but yeah if we managed to elect Governor Good Hair to three farking terms, I am not entirely optimistic.


Sad but true.

I will be voting for not-GOP forever, but I doubt it will help.
 
2014-01-28 02:55:14 PM

Bareefer Obonghit: It's a well-known fact that babies with birth heart defects grow up to comprise the birth of the Republican voting bloc.


FTFY
 
2014-01-28 02:56:07 PM

sobriquet by any other name: Bareefer Obonghit: It's a well-known fact that babies with birth heart defects grow up to comprise the heart birth of the Republican voting bloc.

FTFY


/sorry, itchy enter finger
 
2014-01-28 02:56:08 PM

Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.


Were talking about the same god who lied to Adam and Eve saying that eating from the Tree of Knowledge would kill them, when in fact the knowledge gained allowed them to live for hundreds of years beyond their natural lifespan. Yahweh thinks lying to humans is funny.
 
2014-01-28 02:58:51 PM

verbaltoxin: phenn: Blues_X: Big conservative government should be involved in all of your personal, painful medical decisions.

Could have been avoided if the mother had an advanced directive. I'm not sure how the guardianship laws work in Texas, but I would assume the husband is the guardian. If you want certain types of care continued under certain circumstances, honestly, you need to spell it out these days.

Works the same way for unwanted intervention - as I'm sure everyone knows.

Texas law overrode the husband because of its abortion rules. A vegetable is being kept alive because she has a fetus inside her.


Your statement is inaccurate for two reasons.

Ms. Muñoz was brain dead, not a vegetable. A person in a persistent vegetative state is alive. A person who is brain dead is deceased. That difference is important, because it was the basis of Judge R.H. Wallace's ruling: because Ms. Muñoz was dead, the law mandating continued "life support" could not apply (as she had no "life" to "support").

Ms. Muñoz's organs are no longer being sustained by medical machines; she was removed from ventilation on Sunday. Presumably her organs and the fetus within her died very soon after.
 
2014-01-28 02:58:59 PM

BizarreMan: "We should always err on the side of life, and in this case there was an unborn child which was past the 20-week statutory limit on abortions," said Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. "So I'm not sure who was the right case here, but I would always err on the side of life.

What about the 14 week old unborn child which is what it was when the mother died?


Remember, they don't care about the baby any more once it's been born, so while its stay n the womb was a little longer than normal, it had to stay there for it to be a wedge issue for the Right.
 
2014-01-28 02:59:19 PM
What a travesty.  That fetus could have become a Congressman!
 
2014-01-28 03:00:58 PM

rwdavis: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

Were talking about the same god who lied to Adam and Eve saying that eating from the Tree of Knowledge would kill them, when in fact the knowledge gained allowed them to live for hundreds of years beyond their natural lifespan. Yahweh thinks lying to humans is funny.


Also, keep in mind that before they ate of the tree they didn't comprehend sin, so couldn't have known that disobeying god was wrong.  Dick move on god's part, but what do you expect from a bronze age desert death cult?
 
2014-01-28 03:02:18 PM

Lord_Baull: Tigger: Lord_Baull: Walosi: Diogenes: "When it comes to creationism, not only should it be taught, it should be triumphed (and) it should be heralded," Patrick said.

Rich on fossil fuels and in complete disbelief as to where they come from.

My fundie SIL says dinosaur bones were put in the ground to test our (her) faith

/eyeroll


Ask her why an omniscient god would need to devise a test.

The response will be 'ineffable plan'


So, the response to that will be, "God must be a real asshole to devise a test we cannot know, yet must not fail."


Straight from the philosophy of Descartes.
 
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