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2014-01-28 01:14:03 PM
That game was painful. I quit playing when I realized I was paying $10/mo so I could run three characters as miners long enough to pay for two GTCs.
 
2014-01-28 01:18:09 PM

Exception Collection: That game was painful. I quit playing when I realized I was paying $10/mo so I could run three characters as miners long enough to pay for two GTCs.


Yeah, I tried it out for a little while and then realized that the only way I'd ever manage to succeed would be if I threw all my waking life into it.

I do love reading stories about it, though. So damn impressive.
 
2014-01-28 01:44:55 PM

Rincewind53: Exception Collection: That game was painful. I quit playing when I realized I was paying $10/mo so I could run three characters as miners long enough to pay for two GTCs.

Yeah, I tried it out for a little while and then realized that the only way I'd ever manage to succeed would be if I threw all my waking life into it.

I do love reading stories about it, though. So damn impressive.


Indeed. It's (almost) a libertarian paradise in 0.0, which I find hilarious since the company (CCP) is a big share of Iceland's economy (and Iceland is one of the most socialist western/1st world nations)
 
2014-01-28 02:05:49 PM
That "strongly worded letter" is called an eviction notice, subby. And you can't turn it off.
 
2014-01-28 02:12:45 PM
That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?
 
2014-01-28 02:25:17 PM
I hereby summon Jackson Herring and his Kill Yourself gifs.
 
2014-01-28 02:30:01 PM
They should finish WoD if they want my money.
 
2014-01-28 02:35:43 PM
This is the end result of contracting a disease that causes flowcharts.

/Yes, these people are in fact the nerds that are to nerds what nerds are to normal people.
//No, I don't own a trilby.
 
2014-01-28 02:35:46 PM

Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?


It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.
 
2014-01-28 02:36:06 PM

Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?


A bill to cover the ownership of a system in space. It lapsed and ownership fell, this fight was over trying to take/retake ownership.

(several hour long fights are fun and draining all at once)

/serious spaceships
//"I was there"
 
2014-01-28 02:37:46 PM
Obligatory
mmoreporter.com
 
2014-01-28 02:40:11 PM

China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.


So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?
 
2014-01-28 02:41:38 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-28 02:46:34 PM
I don't necessarily think I'm autistic, therefore I don't have enough time or attention for Eve Online.
 
2014-01-28 02:47:30 PM

INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?


Fake money for control of the virtual property.

The whole real vs in game thing is slightly tricky.  In Eve you can buy "PLEX", which is essentially a game time card, for real money.  You can either extend your own game time with it or sell it on the in game market for in game money.  People who make lots of in game money buy them to be able to play for in game money instead of real money.

Basically, someone pays you in game money to pay for their subscription for a month with real money.
 
2014-01-28 02:49:44 PM
Eve always looked like such a cool game to me, but I never tried it because I've heard horror stories about both how difficult it is unless you're a part of one of the huge conglomerates AND that 90% of it is "played on the forums," which doesn't appeal to me at all.

Anyone played Mechwarrior Online with any seriousness?  I've been considering giving that a shot.
 
2014-01-28 02:50:05 PM

INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?


Well, not exactly.  You pay $Xbillion in-game for sovereignty in the system per month or whatever.  There is an established Real Money-EVE Money (ISK) exchange rate since CCP allows you to buy in-game currency directly.  That's where these real-world numbers are coming from.

And yes, it is a game for spreadsheet fetishists and masochists.  I enjoy it a lot. It turns out that if you just pay your monthly sub, you can have a lot of fun.  The people who go crazy are the ones trying to pay their monthly sub with in-game cash, that takes either a lot of work, or a pretty godawful amount of political connections.
 
2014-01-28 02:50:35 PM

Confabulat: I don't necessarily think I'm autistic, therefore I don't have enough time or attention for Eve Online.


We're glad you came into another thread to poo-poo the video game being discussed.
 
2014-01-28 02:52:59 PM

NkThrasher: INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?

Fake money for control of the virtual property.

The whole real vs in game thing is slightly tricky.  In Eve you can buy "PLEX", which is essentially a game time card, for real money.  You can either extend your own game time with it or sell it on the in game market for in game money.  People who make lots of in game money buy them to be able to play for in game money instead of real money.

Basically, someone pays you in game money to pay for their subscription for a month with real money.


I read an article a while back on how it's possible to buy the PLEX passes for money earned in game and turn them into real money. While it may be complete BS, I guess there are a few players that can earn a living doing that.
 
2014-01-28 02:53:08 PM

Skail: Eve always looked like such a cool game to me, but I never tried it because I've heard horror stories about both how difficult it is unless you're a part of one of the huge conglomerates AND that 90% of it is "played on the forums," which doesn't appeal to me at all.

Anyone played Mechwarrior Online with any seriousness?  I've been considering giving that a shot.


Give it a try.  If you stay in the "safe" area, there are pretty good tutorials now.  It can be a lot of fun.  They have take some of the bared-teeth brutality out of the learning curve.
 
2014-01-28 02:54:19 PM
tricycleracer:

Well yes, if you bring up almost every window, yea it's gonna look like that. Pretty much every game does when you bring up the map, inventory, quest etc etc etc.

http://imgur.com/a/10lG2#0

These are nice though.
 
2014-01-28 02:54:48 PM

INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?


No. They pay fake money to purchase fake space stations and they use the fake space stations to store real money which they purchased with the fake money and then the Russians launder real dirty money through this by purchasing their own real money which is stored in their fake space station and then they sell the real money in the fake space station for real non-dirty money to other pilots. The rub is that they forgot to pay their rent on the space station with their fake money, so some other people came to occupy that space station and steal the real money, which obviously upsets the Russians because they're trying to use their fake criminal space syndicate as a cover for their real life criminal syndicate and if the attackers steal their real money in the space station then they're out a good deal of real life money.
 
2014-01-28 02:55:08 PM

cannibalparrot: NkThrasher: INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?

Fake money for control of the virtual property.

The whole real vs in game thing is slightly tricky.  In Eve you can buy "PLEX", which is essentially a game time card, for real money.  You can either extend your own game time with it or sell it on the in game market for in game money.  People who make lots of in game money buy them to be able to play for in game money instead of real money.

Basically, someone pays you in game money to pay for their subscription for a month with real money.

I read an article a while back on how it's possible to buy the PLEX passes for money earned in game and turn them into real money. While it may be complete BS, I guess there are a few players that can earn a living doing that.


That is against game rules and gets you instabanned if you get caught. But yes, people do it and try to live off it.
 
2014-01-28 02:56:09 PM
I had to walk away from EVE very early.  I loved it though in the short time I played.

I realized that while EVE is everything I've ever wanted in a space game, I could never play it, because it would consume my life.
 
2014-01-28 02:59:04 PM

Antidamascus: tricycleracer:

Well yes, if you bring up almost every window, yea it's gonna look like that. Pretty much every game does when you bring up the map, inventory, quest etc etc etc.

http://imgur.com/a/10lG2#0

These are nice though.


Is that a "Wing Commander" style space battle, or just spectating on the results of "orders"?
 
2014-01-28 03:01:44 PM

cannibalparrot: I read an article a while back on how it's possible to buy the PLEX passes for money earned in game and turn them into real money. While it may be complete BS, I guess there are a few players that can earn a living doing that.


Yeah, getting caught doing that is a good way to get banned and your stuff reclaimed in a hurry.

There is no *legit* way to go from ISK (in game currency) to real currency, although certainly it is done.
 
2014-01-28 03:01:45 PM

INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?


Virtual property? Think of it as DRM. Have you ever rented a movie or paid for a cable tv package using, gasp, real money? The bits that make up the content of the game are as 'real' as the bits on the movie dvd, or the bits arriving through the cable. It's just forms of entertainment. I've never understood why some people get so confused about the concept as applies to games.
 
2014-01-28 03:04:17 PM

tricycleracer: Antidamascus: tricycleracer:

Well yes, if you bring up almost every window, yea it's gonna look like that. Pretty much every game does when you bring up the map, inventory, quest etc etc etc.

http://imgur.com/a/10lG2#0

These are nice though.

Is that a "Wing Commander" style space battle, or just spectating on the results of "orders"?


You click the "Target" button, then you click the "Orbit Target" button, then you click your weapon buttons and wait until one of you explodes.
 
2014-01-28 03:07:26 PM

INeedAName: Confabulat: I don't necessarily think I'm autistic, therefore I don't have enough time or attention for Eve Online.

We're glad you came into another thread to poo-poo the video game being discussed.


I'm not poo-pooing it, I admire it. In another world I'd be a big fan. But there are a lot of video games to be played out there, and there's just not enough life in me to deal with Eve Online.

Did I hurt your feelings about Minecraft or something?
 
2014-01-28 03:14:36 PM

Exception Collection: Indeed. It's (almost) a libertarian paradise in 0.0, which I find hilarious since the company (CCP) is a big share of Iceland's economy (and Iceland is one of the most socialist western/1st world nations)


A libertarian paradise is a fantasy world. It can't exist in real life, but makes a hell of a game.

Just like any other game world.

/Skyrim would be cold, you know? I don't think I'd actually enjoy it there...
 
2014-01-28 03:15:44 PM
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-28 03:15:48 PM
I lost interest about halfway through the second paragraph as I was laughing too hard.
 
2014-01-28 03:16:42 PM
meanwhile....in the ukraine....
 
2014-01-28 03:17:01 PM
I'm sorry... why the fark is this an article on the Washington Post?
 
2014-01-28 03:17:12 PM
I loved the X series so I tried Eve and was turned off immediately by the combat.
 
2014-01-28 03:18:42 PM

Antidamascus: cannibalparrot: NkThrasher: INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?

Fake money for control of the virtual property.

The whole real vs in game thing is slightly tricky.  In Eve you can buy "PLEX", which is essentially a game time card, for real money.  You can either extend your own game time with it or sell it on the in game market for in game money.  People who make lots of in game money buy them to be able to play for in game money instead of real money.

Basically, someone pays you in game money to pay for their subscription for a month with real money.

I read an article a while back on how it's possible to buy the PLEX passes for money earned in game and turn them into real money. While it may be complete BS, I guess there are a few players that can earn a living doing that.

That is against game rules and gets you instabanned if you get caught. But yes, people do it and try to live off it.


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-28 03:20:41 PM
Subby here, apologies for the crappy article link, I don't know how the AP managed to make the subject more confusing than it is in reality, but they knocked it out of the park, guess that's why they are professionals.

Confabulat: That "strongly worded letter" is called an eviction notice, subby. And you can't turn it off.


Yeah, eventually you get an eviction notice.  In Eve the instant your bill is due and not paid your station/office/alliance becomes freely available to all.  Now to counter this they make bills automatically payable and provided you have enough space bux in your wallet there are no problems.  The person responsible in this case feels like the autopay button was clicked and they had enough wallet money so they are claiming it was a bug, but being Eve it wouldn't surprise me to learn some spy removed the money right before the bill was due and put it back afterward to remain in the shadows.

/opted out of this fight, till have Tidi hangover from HED-
 
2014-01-28 03:20:54 PM

Foxxinnia: INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?

No. They pay fake money to purchase fake space stations and they use the fake space stations to store real money which they purchased with the fake money and then the Russians launder real dirty money through this by purchasing their own real money which is stored in their fake space station and then they sell the real money in the fake space station for real non-dirty money to other pilots. The rub is that they forgot to pay their rent on the space station with their fake money, so some other people came to occupy that space station and steal the real money, which obviously upsets the Russians because they're trying to use their fake criminal space syndicate as a cover for their real life criminal syndicate and if the attackers steal their real money in the space station then they're out a good deal of real life money.


why does it feel like the triumph of winning in game is going to be followed up by a real life visit from some not so nice people for someone
 
2014-01-28 03:21:49 PM

Inigo: You click the "Target" button, then you click the "Orbit Target" button, then you click your weapon buttons and wait until one of you explodes.


there is a little more to it than that.  You forgot the webbifier.
 
2014-01-28 03:24:57 PM
what a clusterfark of a game. I'd probably play it if it wasn't 10 years old, and one doesn't not simply start playing a 10 year old MMO
 
2014-01-28 03:25:02 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-28 03:25:21 PM
for $20 you can get all the wing commanders from GOG.com and not have to give up your life to play.
 
2014-01-28 03:27:37 PM

falcon176: what a clusterfark of a game. I'd probably play it if it wasn't 10 years old, and one doesn't not simply start playing a 10 year old MMO


I tried it when it first came out and after the first month realized that I don't have the time to play it, I'd rather be able to play all the other games out there and have a life
 
2014-01-28 03:27:57 PM

Andric: I'm sorry... why the fark is this an article on the Washington Post?


Because half a million (real) dollars worth of virtual property blowed up purty.  Which is kinda noteworthy.
 
2014-01-28 03:31:32 PM
This was good enough for us back in the 1990s, dammit.

hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-28 03:32:27 PM
I'm still not clear on how this works.  Lets say my nerdy uncle dies and leaves me his account in his will.  I pleasantly find he has $1,000,000 worth of shiat.  How do I go from this point to having $1,000,000 in my bank account?
 
2014-01-28 03:34:52 PM

lordargent: Obligatory
[mmoreporter.com image 800x777]


Funny but...

FTFA: The Titans also take months for gamers to build - that's months in real time, a lot of nights, weekends and days-off actually spent building.

I had not a clue as to how lucky I was to quit that game after one month.
 
2014-01-28 03:35:46 PM

INeedAName: China White Tea: Fubini: That's a horribly written article.

What bill was missed? Is this a virtual bill in the game, paid to the game to protect a region of space? Is this a real bill that got someone's internet shut off?

It was a sovereignty bill - basically a maintenance fee on space that is owned by a player organization.  Miss the bill, and the ownership reverts.

So players pay a real money bill, to have control of virtual property?


No, it's an in-game currency fee.  The reason real dollar values come up in every Eve story that makes the news is because it's possible to convert game-time codes into an in-game item, and then trade them on the in-game market for in-game currency.

This creates an exchange rate (but you can only exchange $->ISK, not ISK -> $) that makes it possible to value in-game stuff in dollars, which provides an easy way to sensationalize the story.  

The current rate is roughly $15 : 600,000,000 ISK.
 
2014-01-28 03:36:00 PM
Back when I was unemployed, EVE ruled my life. I played from basically when I woke up until down time. Then I got a job and had no time to play. I would live to dive back in, but then I would probably become unemployed again. But whenever they give a few days free play, I at least update a skill.
 
2014-01-28 03:36:36 PM

tricycleracer: This was good enough for us back in the 1990s, dammit.

[hackadaycom.files.wordpress.com image 470x325]


I believe you meant to post this:

img.photobucket.com
 
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