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(Telegraph)   Salvation Army in Australia accused of "shocking" abuse of children in their care. How shocking? Well lets just say the report includes the phrase "sodomized with a garden hose"   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 100
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2014-01-28 02:23:43 PM
**To clarify, I meant the adults turned into a bunch of animals, Lord of the Flies style, not the kids in their care.
 
2014-01-28 02:24:46 PM

Son of Thunder: Flakeloaf: Wait, so you're telling me a religious group did something deviant to little boys?

FTFY  (See previous stories focusing on child molestation in public schools, the BBC, the German Green Party, Hollywood, etc)


I knew religious groups weren't holier than Hollywood.

/context, how does it work!?!
 
2014-01-28 02:25:08 PM

Dragonflew: Dragonflew: Where is the OBVIOUS tag?  Do not trust children around ANY employee of god.

Er... do not trust any employee of god around children.


Well, didn't a bishop state a few months back that the children were seducing the priests?
 
2014-01-28 02:25:41 PM
Kick Australia out of the European Union!
 
2014-01-28 02:25:50 PM
***Dig too deep.

Jesus H. Mankadding Christ.
 
2014-01-28 02:26:32 PM
when the revolution comes, the salvation army will not be sparred.
 
2014-01-28 02:28:50 PM
Nonsense. They're just preparing these kids for the modern job market.
 
2014-01-28 02:31:46 PM

Rincewind53: Jesus. shiat you read like this makes you realize how utterly horrifying it must have been to be in any sort of church child care in the 1960s, or before that. The Irish Catholic Church just released a similar report about orphanages they ran in the 1960s and it was just as bad.

Horrifying stories. Truly horrifying.


Sure.  60's.
 
2014-01-28 02:35:52 PM

BolloxReader: Happens whenever kids are in religious boarding schools. Ever since I learned about rampant abuse in all the Indian boarding schools in the US, regardless of the sect running it, I have expected the same result from every boarding school and group home in existence. So far I have only seen confirmation over the years.


Same in Canada.  When we had the settlement a few years back, I did some work transcribing phone calls into a government database (long story).  Some of the stories I read made me want to go punch nuns.  ITG aside, I'm a weenie de facto pacifist who's never thrown a punch.  Violence isn't part of my nature.  For me to want to visit violence upon women like that...

For the sake of my own sanity I've forgotten most of the details, but I do recall one story from a girl describing how the nuns would come in and watch them in the showers, and decide amongst themselves which girl they were going to molest that night.

Other stories involved the kids being abandoned months before the end of term and having to scavenge for food on the garbage dumps.
 
2014-01-28 02:38:13 PM

DrVoice: [media.screened.com image 300x234]

Unimpressed.


Im totally ashamed to admit I came here for this.
 
2014-01-28 02:39:37 PM
You who else was a famous Australian who abused children?
 
2014-01-28 02:48:03 PM

Persnickety: You who else was a famous Australian who abused children?


a crocodile!
 
2014-01-28 02:48:40 PM

Dragonflew: Where is the OBVIOUS tag?  Do not trust children around ANY employee of god.


Do you work for the catholic church?
 
2014-01-28 02:52:56 PM

insertsnarkyusername: Dragonflew: Where is the OBVIOUS tag?  Do not trust children around ANY employee of god.

Do you work for the catholic church?


Was that supposed to be an insult? I would not work for any religious organisation.
 
2014-01-28 02:54:14 PM

rogue_L_chick: My MIL is a tough as nails Dutch woman, and she regularly refers to everyone around her as "pussies", usually while holding something dead in her hand. She never hugs anyone, never says "I love you", even though we all know she does.
That type. Anyway, the one time she told me about the convent, where they sent her and her sister (who died there) after the war...that was the only time I ever saw that woman shake, like tears might be a possibility. She then got up, told me I was a pussy for caring and went to go find something heavy to do.

The places they send/sent children...god damn. why the fark??? She figured it as simply people who didn't want to do that job having no other choices and then taking it out on the ones in their care, in the case of the nuns. Sadistic, evil biatches, she called them. She said that Christ, in that place, was a sarcastic reference. She never believed in God again, because of those nuns (she said she was grateful to them for that).


The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

  The Army commissioned the experiments because they wanted to know why, no matter how exemplary a soldier was before being assigned to prison guard duty, they almost invariably became an aggressive discipline problem who mistreated prisoners after a few years  (in other words the DOD knew or should have known Abu Gharib was going to happen)

The only thing scarier is people that VOLUNTEER for such positions.   As a Practical matter I thin the only solution is Panopticon-like levels of constant surveillance on both the cared for and the care givers
 
2014-01-28 02:54:57 PM
Let us pray.

Okay, now get down there and get busy before I extend your sphincter with a hose.

In Christ's mercy. Amen.
 
2014-01-28 02:55:33 PM
more like the salivation army

am i right?

this guy gets it!  because he drools on children
 
2014-01-28 02:57:22 PM
I'm not surprised, this is how childcare is down under. I watched a documentary called "Bad Boy Bubby" it's about how Australia handles abused children, you should see what the Salvation Army representatives do in that movie.
 
2014-01-28 02:57:39 PM

Magorn: The only thing scarier is people that VOLUNTEER for such positions. As a Practical matter I thin the only solution is Panopticon-like levels of constant surveillance on both the cared for and the care givers


Volunteering for the position should be an instant disqualification.

Then again, someone who doesn't want to be there will only take out their frustration on their charges.
 
2014-01-28 03:04:53 PM

pete1729: The worst perpetrators are dead. Why don't these things come to light any sooner? Why are they allowed to live out their lives in relative comfort while their victims live in hidden desperation?


If you really, really want to get an answer to that question watch Deliver Us From Evil.

Actually it won't answer your question, but it will make you want to put the boots to the next priest you see.
 
2014-01-28 03:05:07 PM

Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.


Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!
 
2014-01-28 03:09:33 PM

Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!


Religious people assume for themselves an absolute moral standard. I see no reason not to hold them to that standard.
 
2014-01-28 03:12:24 PM

Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!


What thread have you been reading?
 
2014-01-28 03:16:55 PM

Mambo Bananapatch: Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!

Religious people assume for themselves an absolute moral standard. I see no reason not to hold them to that standard.


So it's not so bad molesting children, as long as you do not belong to a group that aspires to high ideals.  Interesting perspective you got there.
 
2014-01-28 03:16:59 PM

Bondith: BolloxReader: Happens whenever kids are in religious boarding schools. Ever since I learned about rampant abuse in all the Indian boarding schools in the US, regardless of the sect running it, I have expected the same result from every boarding school and group home in existence. So far I have only seen confirmation over the years.

Same in Canada.  When we had the settlement a few years back, I did some work transcribing phone calls into a government database (long story).  Some of the stories I read made me want to go punch nuns.  ITG aside, I'm a weenie de facto pacifist who's never thrown a punch.  Violence isn't part of my nature.  For me to want to visit violence upon women like that...

For the sake of my own sanity I've forgotten most of the details, but I do recall one story from a girl describing how the nuns would come in and watch them in the showers, and decide amongst themselves which girl they were going to molest that night.

Other stories involved the kids being abandoned months before the end of term and having to scavenge for food on the garbage dumps.


Watched a movie in college about Canadian sexual abuse of the natives by the nuns.i think it was from the 70s.

Made me cry.

This stuff has been going on in too many countries for far too long. It's never been a big secret either.
 
2014-01-28 03:17:56 PM

Bondith: Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!

What thread have you been reading?


Just wait... It's coming...
 
2014-01-28 03:18:14 PM

DrVoice: [media.screened.com image 300x234]

Unimpressed.


Win.
 
2014-01-28 03:22:18 PM

Rincewind53: Jesus. shiat you read like this makes you realize how utterly horrifying it must have been to be in any sort of church child care in the 1960s, or before that. The Irish Catholic Church just released a similar report about orphanages they ran in the 1960s and it was just as bad.

Horrifying stories. Truly horrifying.


The Irish "orphanages" were actually the "Magdalene Laundries" where they used to send "incorrigible" girls, often times pregnant to get back in God's good graces by working themselves silly in laundries, when they weren't likewise being subjected to the "Sister's" cruel punishments and sexual whims.

I know at the time, when Sinead O'Connor tore up a picture of the Pope on SNL, most everyone had no idea what the hell that was about.  Turns out O'Connor had been an inmate/victim of the Magdalene Laundries herself and the Pope had just recently decided not to investigate or do anything about them. Thus, her dissatisfaction with the Pope and the fact that the laundries were going to be allowed to continue to exist and reason behind her tearing up his picture.  I wonder how many people, after being made aware of the massive and devastating abuse taking place in the Magdelene Laundries across Ireland would be the least bit critical of O'Connor's actions to try and bring public scrutiny and protest against them?

It finally took more than a decade before the Irish Government finally did a full investigation and sorted out all the abuse, much like it looks like the Australian Govt is doing with this Salvation Army thing.
 
2014-01-28 03:33:01 PM
BTW, any of his colleagues who knew what "Major" Wilson was up to while torturing and raping these boys and did nothing about it, should be taken out and horsewhipped!

The aspect of these types of stories I've never understood?   How, if you really believed in Jesus Christ and the Bible, how could you engage in such activities?  Wouldn't the near certainty of a fiery hell awaiting you be enough to keep from doing such horrific things? (or alternatively, the reward of heaven.)

I'm pretty close to being a total atheist and I can't imagine ever doing anything so awful as that, even when I'm quite confident that neither heaven or hell is involved in my decision making process.  What is it about people with this sort of sick pathology that seems to draw them to religion?
 
2014-01-28 03:37:37 PM

Son of Thunder: Mambo Bananapatch: Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!

Religious people assume for themselves an absolute moral standard. I see no reason not to hold them to that standard.

So it's not so bad molesting children, as long as you do not belong to a group that aspires to high ideals.  Interesting perspective you got there.


Pointing out the hypocrisy of a group known for being sanctimonious and holier-than-thou is not the same as giving a pass to everyone not in that group who is guilty of the same crime.  Get off your cross and pull your head out of your ass.

/it can't be comfortable in that position
 
2014-01-28 03:43:00 PM
Children's homes are magnets for pedophiles looking for helpless targets and have been from time immortal.
 
2014-01-28 03:44:45 PM

StymieMotJuste: I'm not surprised, this is how childcare is down under. I watched a documentary called "Bad Boy Bubby" it's about how Australia handles abused children, you should see what the Salvation Army representatives do in that movie.



But he was a queer lookin' rooster, so meh. That's why the Salvos "accidentally" let him loose. Actual CCTV footage of the lad you are talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3xvG4_5ydQ    [WARNING: F-BOMBS GET DROPPED - TURN UR VOLUME DOWN]
 
2014-01-28 03:48:08 PM

Son of Thunder: Bondith: Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!

What thread have you been reading?

Just wait... It's coming...


Would a picture of an altar boy help?
 
2014-01-28 03:50:04 PM

Bondith: Son of Thunder: Mambo Bananapatch: Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!

Religious people assume for themselves an absolute moral standard. I see no reason not to hold them to that standard.

So it's not so bad molesting children, as long as you do not belong to a group that aspires to high ideals.  Interesting perspective you got there.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of a group known for being sanctimonious and holier-than-thou is not the same as giving a pass to everyone not in that group


Except that's not what's going on here.  There is a difference between condemning specific religious people who do not live up to the standards of the religion, and using the actions of specific religious people who do not live up to the standards of the religion as an excuse to say that all religion is bad.  Your broad-brush generalizations just make you look like a hater, and a sanctimonious and holier-than-thou one, at that.
 
2014-01-28 03:52:57 PM

Dragonflew: Son of Thunder: Bondith: Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!

What thread have you been reading?

Just wait... It's coming...

Would a picture of an altar boy help?



I have altared the boy once. Pray that I don't altar him further.
 
2014-01-28 03:57:46 PM

rogue_L_chick: My MIL is a tough as nails Dutch woman, and she regularly refers to everyone around her as "pussies", usually while holding something dead in her hand. She never hugs anyone, never says "I love you", even though we all know she does.
That type. Anyway, the one time she told me about the convent, where they sent her and her sister (who died there) after the war...that was the only time I ever saw that woman shake, like tears might be a possibility. She then got up, told me I was a pussy for caring and went to go find something heavy to do.

The places they send/sent children...god damn. why the fark??? She figured it as simply people who didn't want to do that job having no other choices and then taking it out on the ones in their care, in the case of the nuns. Sadistic, evil biatches, she called them. She said that Christ, in that place, was a sarcastic reference. She never believed in God again, because of those nuns (she said she was grateful to them for that).


Psychopaths are attracted to occupations in which they will have power and authority over others. That is why so many ( but nowhere near all ) members of religious organizations as well as teachers, police officers, politicians and military personnel are basically evil scum.
 
2014-01-28 04:11:57 PM

Rincewind53: Jesus. shiat you read like this makes you realize how utterly horrifying it must have been to be in any sort of church child care in the 1960s, or before that. The Irish Catholic Church just released a similar report about orphanages they ran in the 1960s and it was just as bad.

Horrifying stories. Truly horrifying.


But what about now? How do we know it's not still going on right now? Even if specific institutions are closed and even if some groups have gotten out of the childcare business, are we going to get stories in twenty years about what's going on now? That's what upsets me. Forget the apologies and the money, what about preventing the abuse in the first place??
 
2014-01-28 04:26:44 PM

silvervial: Rincewind53: Jesus. shiat you read like this makes you realize how utterly horrifying it must have been to be in any sort of church child care in the 1960s, or before that. The Irish Catholic Church just released a similar report about orphanages they ran in the 1960s and it was just as bad.

Horrifying stories. Truly horrifying.

But what about now? How do we know it's not still going on right now? Even if specific institutions are closed and even if some groups have gotten out of the childcare business, are we going to get stories in twenty years about what's going on now? That's what upsets me. Forget the apologies and the money, what about preventing the abuse in the first place??


Prevention is hard.  It's easy** more direct to look back and prove things happened, you have the words of the survivors, and can intimidate more information from those involved.  Prevention is what worries me. What few oversights we have in place for foster care, abuse reporting and family checks, family courts, etc are so overloaded and poorly organized that they cannot do a just job.  It's not that they don't want to, they do.  There is just not enough people and not enough money and not enough safe places for the ones who need shelter.  But yet, certain factions bray that stopping a life from being born is the devil's work, and every child should be brought to life.  What do we do with them then?  An unwanted child is far more likely to be abused than an adored child, it doesn't take much googling for research to confirm that.  But all too often we see abuse in the foster homes, the very places these kids are supposed to be able to go to be safe. And in the group homes, the adolescent homes.  It seems no where can truly be safe for some until they are old enough to make sure they are for themselves.

I'm frightened that we're letting generation upon generation down.  We're not doing enough.  Not by not caring, but by not trying. Not fighting harder for them, letting the big corporate paycheck bastards win.

I wish I had a solution.  Everybody go home and hug a kid.

**nothing about any of this is ever easy
 
2014-01-28 04:29:39 PM

Son of Thunder: Bondith: Mambo Bananapatch:

>> Religious people assume for themselves an absolute moral standard. I see no reason not to hold them to that standard.

> Pointing out the hypocrisy of a group known for being sanctimonious and holier-than-thou is not the same as giving a pass to everyone not in that group

Except that's not what's going on here.  There is a difference between condemning specific religious people who do not live up to the standards of the religion, and using the actions of specific religious people who do not live up to the standards of the religion as an excuse to say that all religion is bad.  Your broad-brush generalizations just make you look like a hater, and a sanctimonious and holier-than-thou one, at that.

~

^^^ Exactly.

I can remember, what[?], 5-8 years ago when any religion thread became a pile on of hate. A giant game of anti religion SOGGY SAO. All the haters pattin' each other on the back thinking how clever it is to get their knee-jerk hate on when they spot some RELIGIOUS ACTIVITY being reported on the front page.

Bondith, Mambo Bananapatch, et al - youse musta missed the memo. The gig's up. You've got to try a lot harder nowadays.

ps: I have to repeat, because this is very important: The Salvation Army - IN AUSTRALIA, where this story takes place - is not "sanctimonious" or "holier-than-thou" or preachy. Almost 180% the opposite, in fact.

eg. I wouldn't have the foggiest idea what their stance is on abortion or contraceptives.. coz they keep their collective gobs shut and simply go about the task of trying to help people in need [this story notwithstanding, duh].

//  180% the opposite
//  ya like that one?
 
2014-01-28 04:36:12 PM
Didn't Col.Potter do that to his horse?
 
2014-01-28 04:53:43 PM

Rincewind53: Jesus. shiat you read like this makes you realize how utterly horrifying it must have been to be in any sort of church child care in the 1960s, or before that. The Irish Catholic Church just released a similar report about orphanages they ran in the 1960s and it was just as bad.

Horrifying stories. Truly horrifying.


This. To be fair, it's not just the religion-affiliated places. I have no doubt the state-run places were just as bad.

Imagine how horrible the jails and prisons were if this is how they treated children.
 
2014-01-28 05:00:27 PM
Hey, is it OK if I hate those farking bell ringers now?  Or at least the bell ringing itself?
 
2014-01-28 05:11:25 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: Hey, is it OK if I hate those farking bell ringers now?


images1.wikia.nocookie.net
i10.photobucket.com

WTF did they do to make you hate them??
 
2014-01-28 05:27:15 PM
Hosannadomized
 
2014-01-28 05:28:11 PM

Son of Thunder: Mambo Bananapatch: Son of Thunder: Magorn: The results of the Stanford Prison Experiment are far more profound and generalizable than most people realize.   You put people in a position of power over their fellow beings and their latent sadistic tendencies almost inevitably take over.  I'm not sure what ti says about uman nature, but nothing good I think.

Haven't you been reading the thread? It says nothing, nothing at all, about human nature!  The great minds of Fark have informed us that it's religion, only religion, only ever religion, and don't you dare bring anything else into the conversation or you're a pedo-apologist, you sick pedo-apologist!

Religious people assume for themselves an absolute moral standard. I see no reason not to hold them to that standard.

So it's not so bad molesting children, as long as you do not belong to a group that aspires to high ideals.  Interesting perspective you got there.


I don't believe you could have misunderstood the point more idiotically.
 
2014-01-28 06:11:32 PM
kg2095:

Psychopaths are attracted to occupations in which they will have power and authority over others. That is why so many ( but nowhere near all ) members of religious organizations as well as teachers, police officers, politicians and military personnel are basically evil scum.
~

^^^ This, also.

It's so freaken obvious, people.

Religious orders aren't laughing at us, the general public. Laughing at how much shiat they're getting away with. Religious groups aren't organized RAPE FACTORIES  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do2tn-oOTrw as I once heard them breathlessly described.

As kg2095 notes, psychopaths are attracted to occupations in which they will have power and authority over others. So to, pedophiles will be attracted to occupations in which they will have power and authority over children.

This, combined with the perfect storm of:

** Genuinely devout men who were attracted to a life of the cloth, but who were also socially awkward, bullied at school, terrible at sport, petrified of girls and the dating scene.. pathetic gormless types, PLUS..

** Men who were attracted to a life of the cloth because of the respect it used to command, PLUS..

** Men who were attracted to a life of the cloth because they thought they wanted power, PLUS..

** Men who were attracted to a life of the cloth because they were homosexual and hey! It's a boys club, PLUS..

** As ordained men of the cloth, those same homosexuals unwittingly discovering the joys of young flesh, finding themselves travelling down the pedophile path, too weak to resist the temptations surrounding them.

** A myriad of other wrong-headed reasons for pursuing such a life, PLUS..

** Bright eyed and devout priestly recruits slowly becoming jaded with the death and sorrow and horrors and crazy cat ladies they face each day.. becoming jaded with life in general..

Those factors, combined with another perfect storm, this time in the hierarchy:

** There being a cancerous culture of protecting your own [just like cops and unions and politicians and sportsmen and the judiciary and a hundred other professions], PLUS..

** Bishops who were psychologically spent, possessing the attitude of punch clock monkeys.. just wanting to clear their inbox and for the problem to go away, PLUS..

** Bishops who simply didn't have the farking nads to act on complaints of pedophile priests. Cowards, basically. PLUS..

** Bishops who were ABSOLUTELY FARKING HORRIFIED at the allegations being put to them. These socially awkward n00bs who entered the seminary at 17 and who know nothing of the real world and the evil deviants who lurk amongst us. It made them want to curl up into a ball and cry. They didn't even want to THINK about it. Such crimes were incomprehensible to them. Imagine the reaction if you told Helen Lovejoy that her Reverend husband's boss, the Bishop of Springfield, was farking little boys up the ass. Could you just imagine! It would have been like that a lot of the time in real life, I reckon.

Believe me, this present state of affairs is nothing the Christian churches planned. Not even a hidden agenda wrapped inside a hidden agenda as part of a super secret pedophile priest coven [with secret handshakes].

Yes, the churches and dioceses handled it horribly. Shamefully. But that's a whole NUTHER argument.
 
2014-01-28 06:20:09 PM

Big Ramifications: Believe me, this present state of affairs is nothing the Christian churches planned.

~

Who's gonna look after the kids then?

The latest pedophile scandal out my way involves a GOVERNMENT RUN boarding hostel for kids [started by Anglicans, but who long since handed it over to the government]. And in many ways it is stranger and much more evil than stories you hear with a religious flavor.

Lots of powerful people activiely PROTECTED the main pedophile. Teachers, police, rich famers, they all had his back. The fricken Town Council had people looking out for him.

Threats being made to "outsiders" who asked questions. Outright threats of loss of his farm and ruination made to a farmer WHO CAUGHT THE PEDO IN BED WITH HIS SON!

"School girls were driven to the town's cemetery in the dead of night and left there. Bonfires with burning crosses were lit as school boys dressed in Ku Klux Klan outfits danced around chanting.

Students spied on fellow students and reported back in return for favours.

Welcome to life at St Andrew's Hostel in Katanning - the private kingdom of a ruthless paedophile protected for 15 years by a community that shut its eyes and ears."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/13074778/katanning-inquirys-bizarre-ku-kl ux -klan-link/


Government sponsored rape factory madness!! Yeah, but let's all hate religion.
 
2014-01-28 06:46:07 PM

Big Ramifications: "School girls were driven to the town's cemetery in the dead of night and left there. Bonfires with burning crosses were lit as school boys dressed in Ku Klux Klan outfits danced around chanting.

Government sponsored rape factory madness!! Yeah, but let's all hate religion.


You think the Klan is a secular organisation?
 
2014-01-28 06:49:50 PM

rogue_L_chick: My MIL is a tough as nails Dutch woman, and she regularly refers to everyone around her as "pussies", usually while holding something dead in her hand. She never hugs anyone, never says "I love you", even though we all know she does.
That type. Anyway, the one time she told me about the convent, where they sent her and her sister (who died there) after the war...that was the only time I ever saw that woman shake, like tears might be a possibility. She then got up, told me I was a pussy for caring and went to go find something heavy to do.

The places they send/sent children...god damn. why the fark??? She figured it as simply people who didn't want to do that job having no other choices and then taking it out on the ones in their care, in the case of the nuns. Sadistic, evil biatches, she called them. She said that Christ, in that place, was a sarcastic reference. She never believed in God again, because of those nuns (she said she was grateful to them for that).


That description of your tough as nails MIL was awesome.

Bloody sad how horrific humans can be to others though.
 
2014-01-28 06:55:58 PM

StymieMotJuste: I'm not surprised, this is how childcare is down under. I watched a documentary called "Bad Boy Bubby" it's about how Australia handles abused children, you should see what the Salvation Army representatives do in that movie.


LOL!
 
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