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(ESPN)   Seahawks coach Pete Carroll voted most popular coach in NFL, and they are sure it has nothing to do with him wanting medicinal marijuana in the league   (espn.go.com) divider line 119
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2014-01-28 11:54:46 AM
Amazingly getting results while mostly letting your players be who they are makes you a pretty likeable leader.
 
2014-01-28 11:54:48 AM
he's a player's coach.  he was at usc and he still is in the nfl.
 
2014-01-28 12:01:04 PM
Recent polls show that over half the country is in favor if legalizing marijuana recreationally. Doesn't seem that newsworthy to me that one football coach isn't even going that far with his comments.
 
2014-01-28 12:02:56 PM

Summoner101: Amazingly getting results while mostly letting your players be who they are makes you a pretty likeable leader.


He was 58-54 all time in the NFL entering the year. One would assume he was a likeable leader letting the players be who they were his other seven years in the league. Fact is it's very hard to get wins in the NFL despite your style and there's no one way that works - Coughlin and Bellichick have done OK with their authoritarian approach.
 
2014-01-28 12:07:42 PM
Turning a blind eye to PEDs doesn't hurt, either
 
2014-01-28 12:07:54 PM

animesucks: he's a player's coach.  he was at usc and he still is in the nfl.


He did pretty well with the co-eds at USC, also.  He's a player's coach, AND a coach's player.

I try to avoid envy, but this guy is about five years older than I am, good-looking, in shape, and still getting laid by hot young women.

I hate him.

Not really, but you know.
 
2014-01-28 12:09:35 PM
Yeah, I can see that. :-)
 
2014-01-28 12:10:08 PM

JohnBigBootay: Summoner101: Amazingly getting results while mostly letting your players be who they are makes you a pretty likeable leader.

He was 58-54 all time in the NFL entering the year. One would assume he was a likeable leader letting the players be who they were his other seven years in the league. Fact is it's very hard to get wins in the NFL despite your style and there's no one way that works - Coughlin and Bellichick have done OK with their authoritarian approach.


One would be wrong. He says that leaving the NFL forced him to change his approach.
 
2014-01-28 12:16:30 PM
He seems like a pretty cool guy now but I will never forget the bush league choke sign he did when Pete Stoyonovich missed a field goal back in '92 / '93.

He did apologize though...befitting since Stoyo kicked the winning FG later in the game. He was the defensive coordinator at the time, I think.
 
2014-01-28 12:17:13 PM
Next lawsuit:

NFL player with marijuana in his system commits vehicular manslaughter and victim's family sues nfl for allowing drugs in their system.
 
2014-01-28 12:17:59 PM

JohnBigBootay: Summoner101: Amazingly getting results while mostly letting your players be who they are makes you a pretty likeable leader.

He was 58-54 all time in the NFL entering the year. One would assume he was a likeable leader letting the players be who they were his other seven years in the league. Fact is it's very hard to get wins in the NFL despite your style and there's no one way that works - Coughlin and Bellichick have done OK with their authoritarian approach.


First two go arounds he didn't have the control he needed to do what he's done in Seattle.  That and he has obviously learned a lot along the way and become a better coach.

This current team was built from the ashes of an aging soft west coast team into the most physical team in the NFL that appears to be set up for a nice run.  This was accomplished by a GM that shares his vision and an owner that doesn't meddle.

Of course it isn't the only way to succeed.
 
2014-01-28 12:19:02 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: Turning a blind eye to PEDs doesn't hurt, either


You are cute.  And mad.
 
2014-01-28 12:21:37 PM

Shame Us: One would be wrong. He says that leaving the NFL forced him to change his approach.


Let me assure you he can remain the exact same person and still be a loser. There's what, 50% playoff turnover every year? Every year we hear about the magic coaches who figured it all out and made it to the super bowl because their way works. Then the next year or two at least one of them miss the playoffs altogether when one would assume they had not just decided to completely abandon that magical approach that got them there the first time.
 
2014-01-28 12:24:46 PM
CSB:

I was one of the few people in the Seattle area who liked Pete Carroll long before he became head coach of the Seahawks.

/Been a fan since 2004.
//But only because I always won money in Vegas when I wagered on USC.
///And that's my sports hipster moment.
 
2014-01-28 12:28:32 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: Turning a blind eye to PEDs doesn't hurt, either


He needs to actively cheat the tests like other coaches around the league.

/if you believe that any less than half the league isn't taking PEDs and/or pot, you're out of your damn mind
//but hey, I'm sure all these guys are superhuman, which explains their superhuman recovery speeds
 
2014-01-28 12:30:58 PM

JohnBigBootay: Shame Us: One would be wrong. He says that leaving the NFL forced him to change his approach.

Let me assure you he can remain the exact same person and still be a loser. There's what, 50% playoff turnover every year? Every year we hear about the magic coaches who figured it all out and made it to the super bowl because their way works. Then the next year or two at least one of them miss the playoffs altogether when one would assume they had not just decided to completely abandon that magical approach that got them there the first time.


Thanks for your assurance. Doesn't change the fact the he changed the way he coaches after getting fired.
 
2014-01-28 12:32:52 PM

great_tigers: Next lawsuit:

NFL player with marijuana in his system commits vehicular manslaughter and victim's family sues nfl for allowing drugs in their system.


You can sue someone's employer for crimes they commit outside work? Nice. I'm gonna go hang out next to a bar by the Microsoft campus and jump in front of a car.
 
2014-01-28 12:32:58 PM
the poll was done before the end of the regular season anyways, so i doubt it has anything to do with MJ

players seem to like Pete Carroll because he lets players' personalities out, the seahawks apparently also work on psychology work with players; a lot of the league is very old-school about how players and coaches should interact even if it doesn't make sense
 
2014-01-28 12:34:07 PM

The_Sponge: CSB:

I was one of the few people in the Seattle area who liked Pete Carroll long before he became head coach of the Seahawks.

/Been a fan since 2004.
//But only because I always won money in Vegas when I wagered on USC.


Seconded.

Though I lost most of it with that Rose Bowl.

/and I lived in SoCal at the time so I got to go to a few games...fun times

JohnBigBootay: Let me assure you he can remain the exact same person and still be a loser. There's what, 50% playoff turnover every year? Every year we hear about the magic coaches who figured it all out and made it to the super bowl because their way works.


Since Pete's taken all the sh*t for decades about how his style doesn't work in the NFL, let's let him enjoy when people are talking about it like it's a revelation.
 
2014-01-28 12:35:49 PM

Shame Us: great_tigers: Next lawsuit:

NFL player with marijuana in his system commits vehicular manslaughter and victim's family sues nfl for allowing drugs in their system.

You can sue someone's employer for crimes they commit outside work? Nice. I'm gonna go hang out next to a bar by the Microsoft campus and jump in front of a car.


I guess if Microsoft allows employees to drive drunk you're all set
 
2014-01-28 12:35:57 PM
 
2014-01-28 12:36:27 PM
Use froggy voice when you eat old fruit salad
 
2014-01-28 12:38:30 PM

great_tigers: Next lawsuit:

NFL player with marijuana in his system commits vehicular manslaughter and victim's family sues nfl for allowing drugs in their system.


They can't do that any more than they could sue the NFL if the player was drunk
 
2014-01-28 12:43:09 PM

IAmRight: Since Pete's taken all the sh*t for decades about how his style doesn't work in the NFL, let's let him enjoy when people are talking about it like it's a revelation.


Surely you jest. Certainly no one wrote an article for ESPN saying his decision to join the Seahawks was a huge mistake and that the players would never buy in and that "regardless of how optimistic some Carroll supporters may be about this news, the man is going to fail in the NFL," or that, "He's let his ego swell to the point that he can't see his limitations anymore," and that, "[The players are] probably better at recognizing a coach who isn't ready to deal with all the challenges that come with leading grown men who make tons of money. And what Carroll hasn't realized yet is that he's still the type of guy who falls into that category."
 
2014-01-28 12:44:26 PM

IAmRight: Since Pete's taken all the sh*t for decades about how his style doesn't work in the NFL, let's let him enjoy when people are talking about it like it's a revelation.


Of course. He should enjoy it - he's earned the right to. Getting to the SB is a pretty spectacular achievement and many excellent coaches never made it. I'm really only talking about the run of the mill week before the game super bowl script. You really can just about substitute the names of all the recycled story lines every year. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Anyway, his style works just fine in the NFL and there have been plenty of successful 'players coaches' who won it all. Same with the drill sergeants and the systems guys. Then later on those same guys will get their asses kicked with the same style and we will hear about a couple of other guys who figured it out. And thus, after seeing the light, they made the super bowl. rinse/prepeat. Thank god there's no brother angle this week.
 
2014-01-28 12:45:16 PM

great_tigers: Shame Us: great_tigers: Next lawsuit:

NFL player with marijuana in his system commits vehicular manslaughter and victim's family sues nfl for allowing drugs in their system.

You can sue someone's employer for crimes they commit outside work? Nice. I'm gonna go hang out next to a bar by the Microsoft campus and jump in front of a car.

I guess if Microsoft allows employees to drive drunk you're all set


I think the point is that Microsoft has no authority over whether their employees drive drunk or not and certainly can't be held liable if they do. Unless, of course, Microsoft is the one that over-served them.

I suppose you could make the case that if the NFL was dealing marijuana to its players, they might be liable. But that would be just as ridiculous a suing the NFL because a player ran his car into something. A remarkably stupid notion.
 
2014-01-28 12:48:34 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: He's 9-11 truther scum.


That article says nothing of the sort, and is a good example of why the media and idiots on the internet are not to simply be trusted.

/just like if you find out someone worked at Area 51 you're gonna ask about the aliens no matter how silly it is
 
2014-01-28 12:50:49 PM

Shame Us: Surely you jest. Certainly no one wrote an article

......

Jeez, don't take it so personal. That was 4 years ago. It ain't like there weren't plenty of seattle fans and local press questioning carroll themselves after consecutive 7-9 seasons. Want some links to seattle press asking if carroll had the right approach as little as two years ago?

Protip - every time a coach leaves a division one school or an nfl team there will be dozens of articles from any angle you'd care to choose.
 
2014-01-28 12:51:05 PM
3 of the top 8 in the league are NFC West coaches.  The next few years are going to be a cannibalistic bloodbath in that conference if the playoff structure isn't changed.
 
2014-01-28 12:51:47 PM

Shame Us: great_tigers: Shame Us: great_tigers: Next lawsuit:

NFL player with marijuana in his system commits vehicular manslaughter and victim's family sues nfl for allowing drugs in their system.

You can sue someone's employer for crimes they commit outside work? Nice. I'm gonna go hang out next to a bar by the Microsoft campus and jump in front of a car.

I guess if Microsoft allows employees to drive drunk you're all set

I think the point is that Microsoft has no authority over whether their employees drive drunk or not and certainly can't be held liable if they do. Unless, of course, Microsoft is the one that over-served them.

I suppose you could make the case that if the NFL was dealing marijuana to its players, they might be liable. But that would be just as ridiculous a suing the NFL because a player ran his car into something. A remarkably stupid notion.


The example wasn't supposed to make sense. My point was that if this were to happen and you could prove that judgement was impared someone would sue. I know it is far fetched. Someone would try.
 
2014-01-28 12:53:46 PM

Shame Us: great_tigers: Shame Us: great_tigers: Next lawsuit:

NFL player with marijuana in his system commits vehicular manslaughter and victim's family sues nfl for allowing drugs in their system.

You can sue someone's employer for crimes they commit outside work? Nice. I'm gonna go hang out next to a bar by the Microsoft campus and jump in front of a car.

I guess if Microsoft allows employees to drive drunk you're all set

I think the point is that Microsoft has no authority over whether their employees drive drunk or not and certainly can't be held liable if they do. Unless, of course, Microsoft is the one that over-served them.

I suppose you could make the case that if the NFL was dealing marijuana to its players, they might be liable. But that would be just as ridiculous a suing the NFL because a player ran his car into something. A remarkably stupid notion.


I never cease to be amused at the way some people believe the legal system works. I've come up with some pretty tortured legal theories in my day, but I never attempted to hold an employer liable for a tort by an employee on his or her own time, just because the employer tolerates off-site marijuana use. Maybe I should have - I could have gone looking for clients injured by baristas and record store clerks.
 
2014-01-28 12:53:58 PM
I'd guess he works with his team captains and assistant coaches to work on keeping the team on track.  Pete seems like a grat coach and a great guy but was taken advantage of.

http://audio.weei.com/a/22170411/monday-april-27th-whiner-line.htm
This is the only place I could find the audio, but you can hear reviled plagiarist Ron Borges helping to punch Carroll's ticket out of New England (after a commercial and an introduction, you can hear Pete at the podium for the first 2 minutes.  Once you hear Glen Ordway you can stop listening; a very common sentiment and micro-statement on Ordway's career)

/8 PED suspensions in 2 years
 
2014-01-28 12:56:38 PM

JohnBigBootay: Shame Us: Surely you jest. Certainly no one wrote an article......

Jeez, don't take it so personal. That was 4 years ago. It ain't like there weren't plenty of seattle fans and local press questioning carroll themselves after consecutive 7-9 seasons. Want some links to seattle press asking if carroll had the right approach as little as two years ago?

Protip - every time a coach leaves a division one school or an nfl team there will be dozens of articles from any angle you'd care to choose.


I'm not taking it personally, my name isn't Pete Carroll. That article has been making the rounds this last week or so because of the smarmy tone Chidiha took and how incredibly wrong he was. The overwhelming majority of Seattle writers and fans were of the mind that 2012 was a make-or-break for Carroll. He finally had "his" guys in place and everyone needed to see it come together. Very few were actually calling for him to be fired following the 2011 season when we still had a subpar starting QB.
 
2014-01-28 12:57:57 PM

spiderpaz: 3 of the top 8 in the league are NFC West coaches.  The next few years are going to be a cannibalistic bloodbath in that conference if the playoff structure isn't changed.


Yep. The NFC West is so awesome and will surely remain that way that a competitive imbalance unlike the league has ever seen has developed. There's really nothing else for it but to change the playoff structure.

Or -

We could wait a year when things will be different.
 
2014-01-28 12:59:40 PM

great_tigers: The example wasn't supposed to make sense. My point was that if this were to happen and you could prove that judgement was impared someone would sue. I know it is far fetched. Someone would try.


That's why there are 12(b)(6) motions. Any such complaint would be dismissed before the ink on it was dry.
 
2014-01-28 01:01:30 PM

BMulligan: great_tigers: The example wasn't supposed to make sense. My point was that if this were to happen and you could prove that judgement was impared someone would sue. I know it is far fetched. Someone would try.

That's why there are 12(b)(6) motions. Any such complaint would be dismissed before the ink on it was dry.


I'm suing BMulligan for making it dark every night when I'm trying to read.
 
2014-01-28 01:01:30 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: He's 9-11 truther scum.


Ah yes. GO ABOUT YOUR BUISNESS CITZEN. QUESTION NOTHING.

/OBEY
//no I am NOT a truther
///ripping people that DO question the goverment is farking stupid
 
2014-01-28 01:03:06 PM

Shame Us: I'm gonna go hang out next to a bar by the Microsoft campus and jump in front of a car.


I wholeheartedly endorse this.
 
2014-01-28 01:03:35 PM

Shame Us: I'm not taking it personally, my name isn't Pete Carroll. That article has been making the rounds this last week or so because of the smarmy tone Chidiha took and how incredibly wrong he was. The overwhelming majority of Seattle writers and fans were of the mind that 2012 was a make-or-break for Carroll. He finally had "his" guys in place and everyone needed to see it come together. Very few were actually calling for him to be fired following the 2011 season when we still had a subpar starting QB.


Smarmy tones and bold assumptions are what create controversy and thus, page hits. Look at skip bayless.How about O'Reilly at espn - that dude is insufferable and has been for years. Their job isn't to be correct. It's to get page hits. Chadiha isn't upset that his old work is still posted and everyone can see that he was 'wrong' four years ago. He's taking a long lunch and getting a massage because he's giddy about the attention from people clicking on old stories.
 
2014-01-28 01:05:09 PM

Nana's Vibrator: /8 PED suspensions in 2 years


If you're counting non-PED suspensions as PED suspensions and you ignore the fact that there's ONE guy who tested positive still on the team.

/Browner won't be back

JohnBigBootay: We could wait a year when things will be different.


There's zero reason to believe that the division won't be even better next year (with St. Louis getting Washington's pick and their own in the first round). They were 7-9 in the toughest division with Kellen Clemens at QB, FFS. (6-4 outside the division).

It'll at least be a couple years before things might change, barring injuries - that's when the current powers will start having to pay the current cheap talent or hope their backups are just as good.
 
2014-01-28 01:05:13 PM

JohnBigBootay: spiderpaz: 3 of the top 8 in the league are NFC West coaches.  The next few years are going to be a cannibalistic bloodbath in that conference if the playoff structure isn't changed.

Yep. The NFC West is so awesome and will surely remain that way that a competitive imbalance unlike the league has ever seen has developed. There's really nothing else for it but to change the playoff structure.

Or -

We could wait a year when things will be different.


Coaching is the big difference right now.

And he did say 'the next few years' which will probably hold true.
 
2014-01-28 01:07:00 PM

JohnBigBootay: Shame Us: I'm not taking it personally, my name isn't Pete Carroll. That article has been making the rounds this last week or so because of the smarmy tone Chidiha took and how incredibly wrong he was. The overwhelming majority of Seattle writers and fans were of the mind that 2012 was a make-or-break for Carroll. He finally had "his" guys in place and everyone needed to see it come together. Very few were actually calling for him to be fired following the 2011 season when we still had a subpar starting QB.

Smarmy tones and bold assumptions are what create controversy and thus, page hits. Look at skip bayless.How about O'Reilly at espn - that dude is insufferable and has been for years. Their job isn't to be correct. It's to get page hits. Chadiha isn't upset that his old work is still posted and everyone can see that he was 'wrong' four years ago. He's taking a long lunch and getting a massage because he's giddy about the attention from people clicking on old stories.


I know.
 
2014-01-28 01:08:37 PM

JohnBigBootay: Their job isn't to be correct.


Anyone who paid attention back then could see that this was the "correct" stance that everyone was lining up to take.

See, the thing about Seahawks fans being "whiners"...it's really just more of the fact that we remember every damn slight said about us, while other fans seem to forget everything. We're Pepperidge Farms, b*tches. We remember.
 
2014-01-28 01:10:17 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: Shame Us: I'm gonna go hang out next to a bar by the Microsoft campus and jump in front of a car.

I wholeheartedly endorse this.


That would be a weird competition between Niner & Seahawks fans. Have one dude each hang out in Redmond and Mountain View, trying to get hit by cars driven by software engineers and bet the first to successfully sue a local tech giant.
 
2014-01-28 01:12:43 PM

IAmRight: JohnBigBootay: Their job isn't to be correct.

Anyone who paid attention back then could see that this was the "correct" stance that everyone was lining up to take.

See, the thing about Seahawks fans being "whiners"...it's really just more of the fact that we remember every damn slight said about us, while other fans seem to forget everything. We're Pepperidge Farms, b*tches. We remember.


And after the 1989 - 1998 seasons, we have a lot to remember.
 
2014-01-28 01:14:43 PM

IAmRight: There's zero reason to believe that the division won't be even better next year (with St. Louis getting Washington's pick and their own in the first round). They were 7-9 in the toughest division with Kellen Clemens at QB, FFS. (6-4 outside the division).

It'll at least be a couple years before things might change, barring injuries - that's when the current powers will start having to pay the current cheap talent or hope their backups are just as good.


The 49ers are probably in the most precarious shape as far as the cap goes for the NFC West going into 2014. They have a lot of cap space tied up in their "big" players and may need to do some renegotiation on guys like Willis, Gore, Vernon Davis, etc. They have to make a decision on Whitner too. I suspect they'll let him go.  The FA situation isn't all that bad, but the have a few guys who play decent roles going into free agency (Boldin being the big one).
 
2014-01-28 01:15:08 PM
Pete Carroll steps in front of the microphone and his enthusiasm and appreciation for what he does is palapable.

Contrast that with that surly, sarcastic coach from New England, or angry, combative Bill Parcells. They both act as though we are intruding on their inner sanctum.

In reality, without the people who are interested they have nothing. Carroll makes fans feel like part of the team.
 
2014-01-28 01:17:55 PM

stappawho: JohnBigBootay: Summoner101: Amazingly getting results while mostly letting your players be who they are makes you a pretty likeable leader.

He was 58-54 all time in the NFL entering the year. One would assume he was a likeable leader letting the players be who they were his other seven years in the league. Fact is it's very hard to get wins in the NFL despite your style and there's no one way that works - Coughlin and Bellichick have done OK with their authoritarian approach.

First two go arounds he didn't have the control he needed to do what he's done in Seattle.  That and he has obviously learned a lot along the way and become a better coach.

This current team was built from the ashes of an aging soft west coast team into the most physical team in the NFL that appears to be set up for a nice run.  This was accomplished by a GM that shares his vision and an owner that doesn't meddle.

Of course it isn't the only way to succeed.


I like Carroll, I always have.  That said, I don't think it's about control, it's about sabermetrics, really.  What has the league been undervaluing for years now?  Physicality over speed.  So the Seahawks crafted a very physical defensive team particularly with big DBs to counter some of the bigger WRs in their own division(like Larry Fitz) as well as overall larger WR corps leaguewide.  Think of the late 00s Chargers teams that had no WR or TE on the team under 6' tall, while the average DB in the league is 5'10.  The Seahawks said screw 40 times and went after bigger DBs, which is against the trend.  Richard Sherman has a 4.54 40, which is slow for a premier corner, but he's 6'3.  Partner that with a focus on the o-line, a good draft catch in Wilson, and Lynch maintaining success despite being past RB prime years, and they're able to win games consistently.
 
2014-01-28 01:19:08 PM

IAmRight: If you're counting non-PED suspensions as PED suspensions and you ignore the fact that there's ONE guy who tested positive still on the team.


Heh. Enjoy - win some games and people be getting all up in your bidness because people are a bunch of haters. Steelers - people say it's all about bad refs and dirty play. Pats - dirty, taping, etc. ad nauseum.  Peyton - can't win in the playoffs. Etc. "Seahawks use PEDs" - that has become the 'things people say' and it will be whether or not there is a single positive test for years. That's how the internet rolls.

There's zero reason to believe that the division won't be even better next year

How about a wager? The top three teams went 13-12-10 this year. Despite zero reason to believe it I'll take the under for next year.

IAmRight: barring injuries


Bar them if you want, but they'll come anyway
 
2014-01-28 01:20:04 PM

Cletus C.: Contrast that with that surly, sarcastic coach from New England, or angry, combative Bill Parcells. They both act as though we are intruding on their inner sanctum.


Not necessarily. There's plenty of other reasons one could gleam a negative view of someone like Belichick, but being terse and uninterested with the media is, to me at least, just humorous most of the time.

I'd be thankful as fark to be making good money as a coach in the NFL, but I'd also get very annoyed, very quickly dealing with stupid ass questions at press conferences.
 
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