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(The Big Story)   NEWS: Attorney of death row inmate executed last week suspended and under investigation. FARK: Guards say attorney coached client to "make a show of his death"   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 221
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2014-01-28 12:41:16 PM
That poor attorney. First executed and then suspended and investigated.

What's next: killing his firstborn?
 
2014-01-28 12:41:18 PM

dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.


Agreed. and the investigation has already closed for lack of evidence that actually happened

furthermore not sure how the inmate who was supposed to be paralyzed and completely sedated by the fatal drugs could have "made a show" of anything.

 IF watching the man die bothers somebody, maybe they should reconsider their stance on the Death penalty .  In my opinion, backed up by DP cases I have helped handle,Capital Punishment is nothing more than a fancy name for killing another human being deliberately cause it made you feel good.  It serves no financial, or legal, or even deterrent purpose, and is nothing more than revenge.
 
2014-01-28 12:41:55 PM
So what if he did?

If it took 20 minutes to kill him, someone did their job terribly wrong.

// In this case, good. But in too many cases I don't trust the jury and/or prosecutors.
 
2014-01-28 12:42:06 PM
Professional ethics on the part of the attorney has nothing to do with protected political speech on the part of the inmate.
 
2014-01-28 12:43:45 PM
Yeah, if you want fair, objective witnesses, ask prison guards...

... Who by their own admission eavesdropped on confidential communications.
 
2014-01-28 12:44:53 PM

NickelP: I keep asking this and not getting an answer.  When you take your pet to the vet it takes about 15 seconds and they die with a smile and don't seem uncomfortable at all.  It took this dude 20 minutes+ to suffocate.  What are they teaching at vet school that these folks are ignoring?


The problem isn't really the method, the problem is getting someone qualified to do the job. Any anesthesiology resident could painlessly kill someone by putting them under and then stopping their heart.

With veterinary medicine, the vet is qualified to determine dosages and so on. Again, the issue is that the process has to be dumbed down enough for someone willing to use it. A macabre twist of "I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member".
 
2014-01-28 12:45:06 PM

indylaw: Yeah, if you want fair, objective witnesses, ask prison guards...

... Who by their own admission eavesdropped on confidential communications.


They still have more integrity than most lawyers.
 
2014-01-28 12:45:17 PM

Mugato: Attorney of death row inmate executed last week

That's a good start. What happened to the guy on death row?


Soon a planet without frelling lawyers
 
2014-01-28 12:45:20 PM
In the course of my duties, I discovered evidence of bribery and turned the said evidence over to the proper authorities, which lead to the disbarment of an attorney who was a buddy/pal of the then governor of my state.  That gave me a warm, tingly feeling all over.
 
2014-01-28 12:45:34 PM

dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.


There's nothing about attorney-client privilege that protects the attorney.  Especially true when the client tells a 3rd party.

That said, I agree with the rest.
 
2014-01-28 12:45:35 PM

zimbomba63: I find it odd that, where ethical suicide is allowed, they give the patient an overdose of barbiturates and they simply nod off, with their families around them.  But, when the same is done to these scumbags, it's inhumane torture.  Garbage like this needs to go, I don't care if it's a bullet to the back of the head.


Barbiturates?  Goddammit, I thought they said "bar biatch urates"!

Oops.
 
2014-01-28 12:47:23 PM

walktoanarcade: indylaw: Yeah, if you want fair, objective witnesses, ask prison guards...

... Who by their own admission eavesdropped on confidential communications.

They still have more integrity than most lawyers.


They're small town bullies too stupid to be cops and too crazy to join the Army.
 
2014-01-28 12:47:58 PM

dittybopper: But even if every thing he said was completely true, I still think it would be protected, as it is "speech" intended to effect change to a matter of public policy.


The lawyer is perfectly free to stage a protest himself against the death penalty. Attempting to use one's client as a propaganda proxy for one's own personal politics is something else entirely.
 
2014-01-28 12:48:32 PM
Two words: Nitrogen asphyxiation.
 
2014-01-28 12:48:39 PM
They executed the attorney too? I might have to change my stance on the death pel-aty.
 
2014-01-28 12:48:45 PM

dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.


The person who was being investigated was not the person making political speech, and he was not being charged at a crime.  You can have your ability to practice law suspending without commiting a crime.

Obviously the guy wasn't with anything, but still..
 
2014-01-28 12:48:49 PM
Glenn Beck was executed last week?
 
2014-01-28 12:49:06 PM
On the contrary, rather than suppress the rate of violent crime, seems to embiggen it.
 
2014-01-28 12:49:08 PM

indylaw: walktoanarcade: indylaw: Yeah, if you want fair, objective witnesses, ask prison guards...

... Who by their own admission eavesdropped on confidential communications.

They still have more integrity than most lawyers.

They're small town bullies too stupid to be cops and too crazy to join the Army.


Agreed, and still better than most lawyers who nearly fit the same description. ;)

/most lawyers
//not all lawyers
 
2014-01-28 12:50:01 PM
Can someone direct me to the law or canon of professional ethics he purportedly violated, even in the very unlikely event the allegations are true?
 
2014-01-28 12:50:03 PM

dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.


That makes sense, and it is not like he is touring the country with his protest movement.
 
2014-01-28 12:50:04 PM
The same prison guards who strapped a man down and killed him claim he faked the signs of torture and suffering?

You don't say.
 
2014-01-28 12:50:13 PM
I can place commas in so many places in that headline to make a more interesting story.
 
2014-01-28 12:50:19 PM
Guess he couldn't act. What a failure
 
2014-01-28 12:50:29 PM

super_grass: That was an episode of Boston Legal I believe.


y God, I think you're right. It clicked in right after I read that.
 
2014-01-28 12:51:04 PM

ShadowKamui: mcreadyblue: generallyso: Doesn't lethal injection render the person unconscious very early in the process?

They used new drugs.

That are used in every surgical center in the US.  All they did was up the dosage and not stick a tube down his throat


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2014-01-28 12:51:09 PM

Lee451: dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.

Isn't the "Attorney-client protected speech" kind of moot once the client is dead? And if the client said this, it is no longer protected.


No, the attorney has the obligation to protect the client in perpetuity.  But has been mentioned above, the client has no such duty.
 
2014-01-28 12:54:05 PM
"We have no way of knowing, obviously, because we can't interview Mr. McGuire," she said.
Well, obviously.
 
2014-01-28 12:55:05 PM
Adios murdering rapist.
 
2014-01-28 12:55:52 PM

dittybopper: Theaetetus: dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.

The whole thing is hearsay anyways.

OT:  Kinda wish there were more cipher/code puzzles on Fark.  Maybe we should start something.



OK, I will start
rlv.zcache.com
And of course....
i133.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-28 12:55:57 PM
Something something writ of habeus corpse.
 
2014-01-28 12:56:23 PM

Stile4aly: Two words: Nitrogen asphyxiation.


Carbon Monoxide. Levels above 12000 ppm (1.28% of atmospheric gases) are recommended.
Unconscious within 2-3 breathes, death occurs in under 3 minutes.
 
2014-01-28 12:58:15 PM
If we're going to execute people, we should have a very, very high standard of evidence.

Then we should hang them or shoot them and be done with it.

Lethal injection is a silly, euphemistic show, that gets medical personnel involved when they needn't be.
 
2014-01-28 12:58:49 PM
make 'a show' of it, eh?
i815.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-28 12:59:44 PM

dittybopper: Theaetetus: dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.

The whole thing is hearsay anyways.

Yep, and while it may fall under an exception, because in effect it was a "death bed" statement, it's still the statement of a person who had so little consideration of his fellow man that he raped and murdered a pregnant woman.

But even if every thing he said was completely true, I still think it would be protected, as it is "speech" intended to effect change to a matter of public policy.

First Amendment protects exaggeration.  Fark is proof of that.


Fark is perfect, and never exaggerates.
 
2014-01-28 01:00:40 PM

dfenstrate: If we're going to execute people, we should have a very, very high standard of evidence.

Then we should hang them or shoot them and be done with it.

Lethal injection is a silly, euphemistic show, that gets medical personnel involved when they needn't be.

^this


It bothers me that they swab their arm. At that point, they should just say stop all this, we can't kill him/her because afterall, we don't even want him/her to get an infection.
 
2014-01-28 01:00:57 PM

zimbomba63: In the course of my duties, I discovered evidence of bribery and turned the said evidence over to the proper authorities, which lead to the disbarment of an attorney who was a buddy/pal of the then governor of my state.  That gave me a warm, tingly feeling all over.


That was the taser.
 
2014-01-28 01:01:03 PM

jigger: If I'm dying on a table while people watch, I don't think I'll care what the hell my lawyer just told me to do. Or what anyone thinks about anything.


I'm gonna announce winning lottery numbers but die before I get to the Powerball
 
2014-01-28 01:02:28 PM

FlyingJ: make 'a show' of it, eh?
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Damn you for stealing the reference I wanted to make. Damn you to hell!
 
2014-01-28 01:02:38 PM
I swear everyone involved here is stupid.

To the anti-death penalty people - The drugs used are the same ones used during surgery.  10 minutes in he wasn't struggling for breath, he was unconscious.  When a brain dead person on life support makes an audible gasp or something like it, the doctors explain it's a reflex, not a conscious breath.  So no, this guy making a noise 10 minutes later doesn't mean he suffocated to death.  He didn't suffer, he had the same medications surgery patients get.  He died quite peacefully.

To the pro-death penalty people - The drugs used are the same ones used during surgery.  10 minutes in he wasn't acting, he was unconscious.  When a brain dead person on life support makes an audible gasp or something like it, the doctors explain it's a reflex, not a conscious breath.  So no, this guy making a noise 10 minutes later doesn't mean he was acting.

For farks sake people.  Lots of reasons to be pro or anti death penalty.  But stop making shiat up.
 
2014-01-28 01:02:42 PM

Harry Freakstorm: jigger: If I'm dying on a table while people watch, I don't think I'll care what the hell my lawyer just told me to do. Or what anyone thinks about anything.

I'm gonna announce winning lottery numbers but die before I get to the Powerball


As in "Next week's PowerBall is 6,... 12,... 23,... 42,... 46.......... and......(thump)'
 
2014-01-28 01:04:13 PM

lennavan: I swear everyone involved here is stupid.


You shouldn't call yourself stupid.
 
2014-01-28 01:05:03 PM

FlyingJ: make 'a show' of it, eh?
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Rocky Sullivan.

Came here looking for this. Took long enough. But thanks though.
 
2014-01-28 01:05:41 PM

walktoanarcade: lennavan: I swear everyone involved here is stupid.

You shouldn't call yourself stupid.


Whoa now, let's not rush to conclusions.
 
2014-01-28 01:08:40 PM

Theaetetus: dittybopper: Theaetetus: dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.

The whole thing is hearsay anyways.

OT:  Kinda wish there were more cipher/code puzzles on Fark.  Maybe we should start something.

Agreed, but where do you find stuff to decipher that's fun?


If solving the puzzle revealed a nekked woman, it wouldn't matter whether it was particularly fun or not.
 
2014-01-28 01:08:41 PM
Here is the first thing I thought of when reading the article.  It's been done before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3jUvL-7F18
 
2014-01-28 01:10:01 PM

sambluesnark: Stile4aly: Two words: Nitrogen asphyxiation.

Carbon Monoxide. Levels above 12000 ppm (1.28% of atmospheric gases) are recommended.
Unconscious within 2-3 breathes, death occurs in under 3 minutes.


My idea for the perfect, painless execution is this:

Implode the criminals head.

No, seriously:  Have them wear a device on their head that is similar in construction to how the Fat Man/Trinity nuclear bomb:  Using "slow" explosive inclusions or "lenses" imbedded in "fast" explosives to make a nearly circular shockwave front to implode the head of the person being executed.

Because the shockwave of every explosive you might possibly use is faster than nerve conduction speed, death from the standpoint of the criminal happens before they can even perceive it:  The shockwave will have destroyed their head before their nerves have enough time to conduct the sensations of heat, light, pressure, pain, etc. to the (now destroyed) brain.

It's like shutting off a light, you exist, and then nothing.  Not even a very fleeting perception of the end.

Of course, it's messy, which is why I think it hasn't really caught on.
 
2014-01-28 01:11:31 PM

dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.


Not reading all this crap again so sorry I repeat, but: 1. No attorney-client priv if client volunteered info to non-privileged party. 2. Didn't understand yr first amend point initially, but got it. I think it'd be more of a possible Bar violation of ethics for the attorney, which is highly situational and subjective. Not really a free speech issue.
 
2014-01-28 01:13:07 PM

Magorn: It serves no financial, or legal, or even deterrent purpose, and is nothing more than revenge.


It does do one thing really well:  It prevents the person from ever committing another heinous crime.
 
2014-01-28 01:15:23 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: dittybopper: Protected by attorney-client privilege, and in any case, "making a show of your death" as a way to protest capital punishment is protected political speech.

Not reading all this crap again so sorry I repeat, but: 1. No attorney-client priv if client volunteered info to non-privileged party. 2. Didn't understand yr first amend point initially, but got it. I think it'd be more of a possible Bar violation of ethics for the attorney, which is highly situational and subjective. Not really a free speech issue.


Yeah, Umm, I admitted to posting that before reading the farkin' article.
 
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