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2014-01-28 12:37:45 AM  
do we really have to do this 30 times a year?
 
2014-01-28 12:48:11 AM  
I've been assured that this already happened 9 years ago.

thishollowearth.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-28 01:04:46 AM  
I predict that sooner or later the GW deniers will notice this fact and start pointing out that the earth was warming during the same period that the field was weakening!

STUDY IT OUT

correlations are critical thinking

/sigh
 
2014-01-28 01:33:46 AM  
So my kids' drawings are going to fall off the fridge? 'Cause I got tape. I'm ready.
 
2014-01-28 02:42:46 AM  

namatad: I predict that sooner or later the GW deniers will notice this fact


What fact? That the poles are about to swap? That's a fact now? That was fast.
 
2014-01-28 02:44:44 AM  
Well, I'm ready to panic.
 
2014-01-28 02:48:54 AM  
Given that this is being reported by the Daily Mail, a scientific journal of HIGH REPUTE, I don't see any reason to doubt this. Let the panic begin!

2.bp.blogspot.com

Nah, I'm just shiatting you. The Daily Fail rags again!
 
2014-01-28 02:49:25 AM  
The sun went down below the horizon a few hours ago.  I don't want to alarm anyone, but it may never come back.
 
2014-01-28 02:51:17 AM  
www.beijingshots.com

The only Pole I wanna see flip...
 
2014-01-28 03:01:54 AM  

Etchy333: The sun went down below the horizon a few hours ago.  I don't want to alarm anyone, but it may never come back.


As long as the Pharaoh keeps doing his morning prayers, Ra will rise.
 
2014-01-28 04:19:03 AM  
I think I've seen this movie.  It was terrible.
 
2014-01-28 04:22:56 AM  
i feel kind of funny...i think something is happ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 
2014-01-28 04:24:29 AM  
Not to worry anyone or anything, but they had to renumber the runways in Anchorage awhile back due to magnetic drift.
 
2014-01-28 04:28:39 AM  
I guess it's a slow news day over at Mail Online, since the future pole flip has been known about for quite a few decades now, there wasn't much reason to panic twenty years ago, and there really isn't much to panic about now, either.

There again, judging by the nekkid buttock pics on the sidebar of the TFA, it's pretty much ALWAYS a slow news day over there.
 
2014-01-28 04:30:01 AM  
I'm skeered!  Somebody hold me please!
 
2014-01-28 04:32:20 AM  

fredbox: Not to worry anyone or anything, but they had to renumber the runways in Anchorage awhile back due to magnetic drift.


How many did they lose?
 
2014-01-28 04:36:50 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: [www.beijingshots.com image 620x790]

The only Pole I wanna see flip...


O_O
 
2014-01-28 04:38:58 AM  

namatad: do we really have to do this 30 times a year?


Seriously. If I were the kind of person who had too much time on their hands I'd make a list of all 5217 times this story has been greenlit before. Alas.
 
2014-01-28 04:41:19 AM  
It's all a conspiracy by the map-printing industry to get us all to buy new maps with Australia in the northern hemisphere!
 
2014-01-28 04:44:02 AM  
RIP img.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-28 04:52:34 AM  
Enjoy your gay marriage and forced abortions of white Christian babies under Obamascare. It will all be over soon but many of you will suffer forever.

Revelation 6:14 - "Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place."

The cosmic disturbances and the great earthquake are clearly tied together. John tells us "every mountain and island was moved out of its place" in the great earthquake. Isaiah indicates this great earthquake that shakes the foundations of the earth has to do with "open windows." During this earth shaking event, people will hear a fearful "noise":

Isaiah 24:1, 18-20 - Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.... And it shall be That he who flees from the noise of the fear Shall fall into the pit, And he who comes up from the midst of the pit Shall be caught in the snare; For the windows from on high are open, And the foundations of the earth are shaken. The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again.

Interestingly, fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field have been observed before earthquakes occur

The following is a hypothesis on what might occur in a magnetic pole reverse:
In popular literature, many conjectures have been suggested involving very rapid polar shift. A slow shift in the poles would display the most minor alterations and no destruction. A more dramatic view assumes more rapid changes, with dramatic alterations of geography and localized areas of destruction due to earthquakes and tsunamis.

Genesis 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
 
2014-01-28 04:53:41 AM  
That picture in TFA is awesome! The Earth is right up in the Sun's face, and the Sun is shooting a solar flare directly back at it, like they're in a climactic Voldemort-Potter stand-off. You even see the magnetic shield burning white/yellow hot, like it's a magical shield protecting a D&D PC from some dragon's flaming breath. Seriously, it's like a movie poster -- Earth Versus Sun: The Magnetapocalypse.

/in theaters this June
 
2014-01-28 04:54:36 AM  

phrawgh: Enjoy your gay marriage and forced abortions of white Christian babies under Obamascare. It will all be over soon but many of you will suffer forever.

Revelation 6:14 - "Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place."

The cosmic disturbances and the great earthquake are clearly tied together. John tells us "every mountain and island was moved out of its place" in the great earthquake. Isaiah indicates this great earthquake that shakes the foundations of the earth has to do with "open windows." During this earth shaking event, people will hear a fearful "noise":

Isaiah 24:1, 18-20 - Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.... And it shall be That he who flees from the noise of the fear Shall fall into the pit, And he who comes up from the midst of the pit Shall be caught in the snare; For the windows from on high are open, And the foundations of the earth are shaken. The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again.

Interestingly, fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field have been observed before earthquakes occur

The following is a hypothesis on what might occur in a magnetic pole reverse:
In popular literature, many conjectures have been suggested involving very rapid polar shift. A slow shift in the poles would display the most minor alterations and no destruction. A more dramatic view assumes more rapid changes, with dramatic alterations of geography and localized areas of destruction due to earthquakes and tsunamis.

Genesis 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were o ...


Bevets did it better.
 
2014-01-28 04:55:42 AM  

Hilary T. N. Seuss: That picture in TFA is awesome! The Earth is right up in the Sun's face, and the Sun is shooting a solar flare directly back at it, like they're in a climactic Voldemort-Potter stand-off. You even see the magnetic shield burning white/yellow hot, like it's a magical shield protecting a D&D PC from some dragon's flaming breath. Seriously, it's like a movie poster -- Earth Versus Sun: The Magnetapocalypse.

/in theaters this June


I was thinking it looked more anime than D&D.
 
2014-01-28 04:57:40 AM  
All that juicy global warming money must be drying up
 
2014-01-28 04:59:47 AM  

Gone In 26 Minutes: Hilary T. N. Seuss: That picture in TFA is awesome! The Earth is right up in the Sun's face, and the Sun is shooting a solar flare directly back at it, like they're in a climactic Voldemort-Potter stand-off. You even see the magnetic shield burning white/yellow hot, like it's a magical shield protecting a D&D PC from some dragon's flaming breath. Seriously, it's like a movie poster -- Earth Versus Sun: The Magnetapocalypse.

/in theaters this June

I was thinking it looked more anime than D&D.



Clearly the Earth is a water bender.
 
2014-01-28 05:02:57 AM  
You won't be laughing when the alien probe arrives and demands to speak to Insane Clown Posse
 
2014-01-28 05:13:02 AM  
The magnetosphere isn't collapsing, it's loosing integrity to a small degree as it moved towards a probable pole shift. Magnetic iron deposits show that this is a somewhat regular occurrence and that the magnetic field weakens before such an occurrence.
 
2014-01-28 05:26:02 AM  
Sounds like sensationalist bullshiat
 
2014-01-28 05:27:32 AM  
When I was young I thought the Earth magnetic field was due to a pair of massive magnetic rock formations located in the crust in the Canadian arctic and Antarctica.
 
2014-01-28 05:29:14 AM  

Smoking GNU: The magnetosphere isn't collapsing, it's loosing integrity to a small degree as it moved towards a probable pole shift. Magnetic iron deposits show that this is a somewhat regular occurrence and that the magnetic field weakens before such an occurrence.


Hey now! We were having a perfectly trolltastic thread here before you and your "facts" and "useful information" had to show up. If we had wanted to know what was going on we would have read TFA..

/kisses
 
2014-01-28 05:31:12 AM  
So are we going to have to pack up all the Kangaroos and shiat and move them to Iceland?
 
2014-01-28 05:31:40 AM  
The Earth's magnetic fierld lives on the public dole yet conmplains its TV isn't big enough
 
2014-01-28 05:35:20 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: You won't be laughing when the alien probe arrives and demands to speak to Insane Clown Posse


If this is our future, I want off this planet right now!
 
2014-01-28 05:44:45 AM  

neuroflare: Sounds like sensationalist bullshiat



This article is sensationalist, but It's not bullshiat that the magnetic field is weakening/changing. We have extremely solid evidence that the magnetic poles have flipped thousands of times during the earths life. And when they flip there is a 'small' period of little or no protection from our magnetic field.

 But it's also not something we should worry about too much other than how it will affect power grids and such. Because otherwise we have absolute zero control over it and are not really sure what even causes it.

/just like global warming!  trollololololololol
 
2014-01-28 05:49:56 AM  

Etchy333: The sun went down below the horizon a few hours ago.  I don't want to alarm anyone, but it may never come back.


Meh.  The sun's magnetic poles flip every eleven years or so.  You never hear about the people on the sun complaining about global warming.
 
2014-01-28 05:53:24 AM  

the_colors: namatad: do we really have to do this 30 times a year?

Seriously. If I were the kind of person who had too much time on their hands I'd make a list of all 5217 times this story has been greenlit before. Alas.


Oh good. I'm not losing my mind.
 
2014-01-28 05:53:47 AM  
This affects haemoglobin, it can cause people's blood to flow backwards and clot
 
2014-01-28 05:56:50 AM  
Meh, it's just a disturbance in the space-time wash...

/I blame Eddy
 
2014-01-28 06:00:03 AM  
Better get a wooden spoon.
 
2014-01-28 06:05:08 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: I guess it's a slow news day over at Mail Online, since the future pole flip has been known about for quite a few decades now, there wasn't much reason to panic twenty years ago, and there really isn't much to panic about now, either.

There again, judging by the nekkid buttock pics on the sidebar of the TFA, it's pretty much ALWAYS a slow news day over there.


Since it will happen it seems that every day brings us closer to the day it will happen, so while there wasn't much reason to worry 20 years ago there is greater reason to worry today. In 20 years if it hasn't happened we'll all be gripping our chairs in fear of it happening at any moment.

And then Yellowstone will erupt and we'll forget about it.
 
2014-01-28 06:05:20 AM  
I think they're right. Satellites 200 years ago all went dead during this event.
 
2014-01-28 06:15:00 AM  
As long as the earth is still made of iron... and is still spinning.... we have nothing to worry about.

So... uh... fark off.
 
2014-01-28 06:15:04 AM  
So the question is, how are immigrants to blame for it?
 
2014-01-28 06:21:33 AM  

xria: So the question is, how are immigrants to blame for it?


They are full of lead and iron shavings.  If they'd stay where they were supposed to, they wouldn't throw the magnetic field out of whack.  The only way to ensure they stay put is to kill them and dump their corpses from the sky back to their homeland.
 
2014-01-28 06:25:15 AM  

phrawgh: Enjoy your gay marriage and forced abortions of white Christian babies under Obamascare. It will all be over soon but many of you will suffer forever.

Revelation 6:14 - "Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place."

The cosmic disturbances and the great earthquake are clearly tied together. John tells us "every mountain and island was moved out of its place" in the great earthquake. Isaiah indicates this great earthquake that shakes the foundations of the earth has to do with "open windows." During this earth shaking event, people will hear a fearful "noise":

Isaiah 24:1, 18-20 - Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.... And it shall be That he who flees from the noise of the fear Shall fall into the pit, And he who comes up from the midst of the pit Shall be caught in the snare; For the windows from on high are open, And the foundations of the earth are shaken. The earth is violently broken, The earth is split open, The earth is shaken exceedingly. The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, And shall totter like a hut; Its transgression shall be heavy upon it, And it will fall, and not rise again.

Interestingly, fluctuations in the earth's magnetic field have been observed before earthquakes occur

The following is a hypothesis on what might occur in a magnetic pole reverse:
In popular literature, many conjectures have been suggested involving very rapid polar shift. A slow shift in the poles would display the most minor alterations and no destruction. A more dramatic view assumes more rapid changes, with dramatic alterations of geography and localized areas of destruction due to earthquakes and tsunamis.

Genesis 7:11 - In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were o ...


Shouldn't you be off somewhere, sacrificing a virgin or something?
 
2014-01-28 06:27:38 AM  
As the magnetic shield weakens, the spectacle of an aurora would be visible every night all over the Earth

On the upside, that would be pretty awesome.
 
2014-01-28 06:34:43 AM  

Eps05: When I was young I thought the Earth magnetic field was due to a pair of massive magnetic rock formations located in the crust in the Canadian arctic and Antarctica.


I thought the same thing!
 
2014-01-28 06:35:06 AM  
It could make your underpants catch on fire and turn your dog into a monkey and make you wave your arms in the air like you just don't care!

/Bird is the word.
//It's the republickers fault.
 
2014-01-28 06:35:38 AM  
oldnewsissoexciting.gif
 
2014-01-28 06:40:03 AM  
Georg W. Bush blames Saddam.
 
2014-01-28 06:40:41 AM  
i.imgur.com
i.imgur.com
My God. Shields. SHIELDS!
 
2014-01-28 06:42:31 AM  
came for the shaggy magnets meme.

/leaving sad.
 
2014-01-28 06:50:28 AM  
There is a theory that pole reversal may have some effect on evolution, triggering genetic changes.

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/4608441?uid=3739936&uid=2129&u id =2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21103309954731

if you are willing to pay the $6 for the article or

http://www.evolutionaryleaps.com/2012/01/magnetic-reversal-could-tri gg er-evolution-says-expert/

for an excerpt.

Of course, most biologists don't subscribe to this theory..
 
2014-01-28 07:00:09 AM  

tbeatty: Etchy333: The sun went down below the horizon a few hours ago.  I don't want to alarm anyone, but it may never come back.

Meh.  The sun's magnetic poles flip every eleven years or so.  You never hear about the people on the sun complaining about global warming.


Do you know how much an apartment on the Sun costs?
 
2014-01-28 07:03:25 AM  

Twinkles: It's all a conspiracy by the map-printing industry to get us all to buy new maps with Australia in the northern hemisphere!


www.affordablehousinginstitute.org
 
2014-01-28 07:05:35 AM  
All the geological evidence we have indicates that while the field becomes more chaotic, the magnetopause still extends out to 3 Earth radii and will continue to protect us. This has happened many,  many times before. There is no evidence that links reversals to any sort of cataclysm on Earth. If there  were a sudden influx of radiation, we'd expect to see mass extinctions- and we don't.

The process also takes 1,000-10,000 years, so... what I'm trying to say here is that this is a non-event.
 
2014-01-28 07:07:43 AM  
Just wait until the sun takes it's final form!
~images.wikia.com
 
2014-01-28 07:09:50 AM  
Suwe we have to do this 30 times a year!!! Gwobal warming is the cawse of eberyting!!!  I wed on a wiberal site its making the moon bigger!! It affects eberyting, now gwavity!!! I'm gonna whyte a check to Al Bore so he can fix it!!!
 
2014-01-28 07:19:50 AM  
It's the tea baggers.
 
2014-01-28 07:19:55 AM  
I'll be dead by then. Who cares
 
2014-01-28 07:22:31 AM  
I'm scared. If the earth flips upside down, the country will be upside down? I'm a Northerner. I don't want to be a Southerner. Their beer is terrible, they're soft and they talk funny.
 
2014-01-28 07:23:52 AM  

hardinparamedic: Given that this is being reported by the Daily Mail, a scientific journal of HIGH REPUTE, I don't see any reason to doubt this. Let the panic begin!

img.fark.net


There also well known for their dislike of the Star Wars prequels.

i.imgur.com

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: I guess it's a slow news day over at Mail Online, since the future pole flip has been known about for quite a few decades now, there wasn't much reason to panic twenty years ago, and there really isn't much to panic about now, either.

There again, judging by the nekkid buttock pics on the sidebar of the TFA,


That's the sidebar of shame, and a major draw for the Fail.

You want another neat trick with the Fail online? Search it for "all grown up".

That's their keyword for teens/young women with big tits in bathing costumes, essentially.

And they try and masquerade as a respectable news organ. Farking hate those twats; trashiest tabloid journalism around.

it's pretty much ALWAYS a slow news day over there.

Well, the sad thing is it's not really about "over there". They have a NY office, and the likes of Fark regularly linking to the FailOnline has, apparently, resulted in them being the #1 online "news" source.

/I make up for it by not clicking on Fark FailOnline links; if I want to see what the stories about, I'll look it up on the Beeb or similar.
 
2014-01-28 07:25:20 AM  
I should add, as well, thanks to the b3tard who made the Sith Flick DM headline I linked above.

/They used to lift shoops from b3ta and run them uncredited, so I'd be a bit of a dick if I did the same.
 
2014-01-28 07:29:00 AM  
www.fbtb.net
 
2014-01-28 07:46:37 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: I guess it's a slow news day over at Mail Online, since the future pole flip has been known about for quite a few decades now, there wasn't much reason to panic twenty years ago, and there really isn't much to panic about now, either.

There again, judging by the nekkid buttock pics on the sidebar of the TFA, it's pretty much ALWAYS a slow news day over there.


It's important to remember that the editor of the paper during the early years of WWII was a strong supporter of the Nazis, Hitler, Mussolini, Mosley and the brownshirts.

Their editorial policy has drifted to the right since then, while their fact-checking has drifted into non-existence.
 
2014-01-28 07:49:20 AM  
Super Powers in 3... 2... 1...
 
2014-01-28 07:51:05 AM  

RobSeace: Twinkles: It's all a conspiracy by the map-printing industry to get us all to buy new maps with Australia in the northern hemisphere!

[www.affordablehousinginstitute.org image 600x425]


imagizer.imageshack.us
 
2014-01-28 08:03:54 AM  
He can fix it:

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2014-01-28 08:08:20 AM  

Hollie Maea: I've been assured that this already happened 9 years ago.

[thishollowearth.files.wordpress.com image 318x414]


Ummmmm...welcome to 2009 is what you're saying?
 
2014-01-28 08:09:44 AM  

Target Builder: As the magnetic shield weakens, the spectacle of an aurora would be visible every night all over the Earth

On the upside, that would be pretty awesome.



Aurora Borealis, shinin' down on Dallas! Can you picture that?
 
2014-01-28 08:11:50 AM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-01-28 08:16:00 AM  

t3knomanser: All the geological evidence we have indicates that while the field becomes more chaotic, the magnetopause still extends out to 3 Earth radii and will continue to protect us. This has happened many,  many times before. There is no evidence that links reversals to any sort of cataclysm on Earth. If there  were a sudden influx of radiation, we'd expect to see mass extinctions- and we don't.

The process also takes 1,000-10,000 years, so... what I'm trying to say here is that this is a non-event.


It is quite of funny when you come across things like  this and laugh at how silly people in the past were. Then you realize with articles like this one that the public/news media today is no better than it was then.
 
2014-01-28 08:19:32 AM  

Mean Daddy: Suwe we have to do this 30 times a year!!! Gwobal warming is the cawse of eberyting!!!  I wed on a wiberal site its making the moon bigger!! It affects eberyting, now gwavity!!! I'm gonna whyte a check to Al Bore so he can fix it!!!


suwe
 
2014-01-28 08:25:10 AM  
Ha ha I love all the global warming alarmists trying to talk this down because it's not man made.

Clearly the effect of a few decades with virtually no magnetic field to protect our technology is a much bigger deal than a few flooded coastal areas. But there's no "your sins caused this" angle, so they're not interested - in fact they want it to go away because they want all the media "science bandwidth" to be spent promoting their pseudo-scientificreligion.
 
2014-01-28 08:27:06 AM  
A magnetic pole flip WILL happen...sometime in the next 1 to 10,000years.

What I've always found interesting is that during this process, a number of magnetic poles will exist simultaneously along the equator. Should make for a fun afternoon!
 
2014-01-28 08:27:24 AM  
Is anybody else on mobile suddenly seeing the images people post all stretched?
 
2014-01-28 08:28:15 AM  

namatad: do we really have to do this 30 times a year?


...closer to 365 times a year...once for each day Fark GLs a "science" story from the Daily Fail.
 
2014-01-28 08:28:47 AM  
It's a conspiracy created by the compass industry that was losing business. Now everyone will have to buy new compassess since the old ones will point the wrong way.
 
2014-01-28 08:34:31 AM  
I could care less . The Viking apocalypse will be here in a few weeks so it won't matter anyway .
 
2014-01-28 08:37:12 AM  

IlGreven: namatad: do we really have to do this 30 times a year?

...closer to 365 times a year...once for each day Fark GLs a "science" story from the Daily Fail.


Wow - shooting both messengers: Fark and the Daily Mail. You must really want the debate to move back to climate change. I bet you're sick and tired of 30 stories about the meteorite threat too.
 
2014-01-28 08:38:46 AM  
FTA: the spectacle of an aurora would be visible every night all over the Earth

Sounds good to me. Let's do it.
 
2014-01-28 08:39:50 AM  
The government is doing it with the help of the Jewy Jews.

oh, and 9/11 was an inside job....
 
2014-01-28 08:41:21 AM  
Stay indoors as much as possible and you'll be okayish.
 
2014-01-28 08:42:09 AM  

Slypork: It's a conspiracy created by the compass industry that was losing business. Now everyone will have to buy new compassess since the old ones will point the wrong way.


It's the map companies like the Rand McNally maps (i.e. Rand=Rand Corporation=Paul Rand which sounds like Ron Paul only flipped).  Get a map that shows True North from Magnetic North and it changes EVERY SINGLE YEAR.  It's a device used by evil corporations to enhance income inequality experienced by poor people living on islands affected by sea level rise and extreme weather trying to escape through illegal immigration.  By making the maps change every year,  Tea Bagger corporations are profiting from people traveling to El Norte  by constantly changing where El Norte is.  It's a classic example of how rich people become rich from poor people.  It's a known fact that if enough poor people are placed next somebody not poor, he will become rich.  It's magnetism.
 
2014-01-28 08:43:34 AM  

Notabunny: So my kids' drawings are going to fall off the fridge? 'Cause I got tape. I'm ready.


lol
 
2014-01-28 08:43:37 AM  
Yep. Because when I want science news I turn to the Daily Mail.

/ did not read TFA
 
2014-01-28 08:44:15 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Clearly the effect of a few decades with virtually no magnetic field to protect our technology is a much bigger deal


First, this process is not a "few decades" long. It's thousands of years. Second, There is no evidence that the Earth will be without a magnetic field for this period of time- to the contrary, our best evidence indicates that the Earth's magnetosphere remains roughly the same.

This isn't a matter of talking anything "down". There's no evidence that indicates any sort of alarm is necessary or helpful here. Further, unlike climate change,  there is literally nothing we can do. The biggest vulnerability to solar radiation is the power grid, and it is  impossible to harden it sufficiently to operate without the Earth's magnetosphere for protection. Further, since there's no evidence that it will be called upon to do so, it's foolish to seriously consider it  anyway.

What we do know is that the weakened field allows solar radiation to reach the upper atmosphere. We know this because of radioisotopes gathered from 40,000 year old ice cores (the same ice cores that allow us to measure the relative quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere). We know that there's no correlation between mass extinction cycles and geomagnetic reversals, implying that there's no organic danger due to radiation. We know that geomagnetic activity is chaotic and seemingly random (it is emphatically  not periodic, and it's wrong to say we're "overdue" for a reversal). We know that the process is  usually slow, but it can sometimes happen very quickly- the 40,000 year old Laschamp event happened over the course of less that 500 years. The Cretaceous Superchron lasted 10 million years.
 
2014-01-28 08:49:02 AM  

heliotrope: I'm scared. If the earth flips upside down, the country will be upside down? I'm a Northerner. I don't want to be a Southerner. Their beer is terrible, they're soft and they talk funny.


Right now the flux lines move in the direction that actually make the South Pole the North Pole. So, you really are a Southerner right now. Other words, you really want the flip.
 
2014-01-28 08:50:45 AM  

t3knomanser: THE GREAT NAME: Clearly the effect of a few decades with virtually no magnetic field to protect our technology is a much bigger deal

First, this process is not a "few decades" long. It's thousands of years. Second, There is no evidence that the Earth will be without a magnetic field for this period of time- to the contrary, our best evidence indicates that the Earth's magnetosphere remains roughly the same.

This isn't a matter of talking anything "down". There's no evidence that indicates any sort of alarm is necessary or helpful here. Further, unlike climate change,  there is literally nothing we can do. The biggest vulnerability to solar radiation is the power grid, and it is  impossible to harden it sufficiently to operate without the Earth's magnetosphere for protection. Further, since there's no evidence that it will be called upon to do so, it's foolish to seriously consider it  anyway.

What we do know is that the weakened field allows solar radiation to reach the upper atmosphere. We know this because of radioisotopes gathered from 40,000 year old ice cores (the same ice cores that allow us to measure the relative quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere). We know that there's no correlation between mass extinction cycles and geomagnetic reversals, implying that there's no organic danger due to radiation. We know that geomagnetic activity is chaotic and seemingly random (it is emphatically  not periodic, and it's wrong to say we're "overdue" for a reversal). We know that the process is  usually slow, but it can sometimes happen very quickly- the 40,000 year old Laschamp event happened over the course of less that 500 years. The Cretaceous Superchron lasted 10 million years.


Wow... that tl;dr overreaction speaks volumes, I'd say.
 
2014-01-28 08:53:25 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: that tl;dr overreaction speaks volumes, I'd say.


God forbid we discuss SCIENCE. Personally, I think this whole thing is  awesome, and it's exciting to think that I might see the start of a pole reversal in my lifetime. This pants-wetting freak-out garbage is just  sad. This is exciting, and we don't need the Daily Fail raining on our parade!
 
2014-01-28 09:01:36 AM  
global EMP and economic technological equalization, interdependent globalization synchronization, pacification, demilitarization high fives,

-from planet magnetica.
 
2014-01-28 09:21:20 AM  

neuroflare: Sounds like sensationalist bullshiat


GW or MAGFLIP?
 
2014-01-28 09:31:34 AM  
I refuse to live in a godless world where the north pole is now in the south. If such an event occurs I regret to announce I will move out of New York, and will likely move to Texas or Florida where the poles are in their natural state.
 
2014-01-28 09:31:48 AM  
All this has happened before. All this will happen again
 
2014-01-28 09:34:20 AM  

t3knomanser: THE GREAT NAME: that tl;dr overreaction speaks volumes, I'd say.

God forbid we discuss SCIENCE. Personally, I think this whole thing is  awesome, and it's exciting to think that I might see the start of a pole reversal in my lifetime. This pants-wetting freak-out garbage is just  sad. This is exciting, and we don't need the Daily Fail raining on our parade!


This story is about science, so why are you trying to suppress it by calling it a "non-event"? What's your agenda?

PS you say "Daily Fail" but I bet you believe everything you read in the Guardian without question. Again, what's your agenda here???
 
2014-01-28 09:36:16 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: This story is about science


No, it isn't. It's in the Daily Fail. This is a story about science in about the same way the  novel Cum for Bigfoot is a biography.

THE GREAT NAME: the Guardian without question


Oh yes, because I'm going to turn to a  newspaper for discussions on science. You are a sad, poor, little troll.
 
2014-01-28 09:38:02 AM  

t3knomanser: THE GREAT NAME: This story is about science

No, it isn't. It's in the Daily Fail. This is a story about science in about the same way the  novel Cum for Bigfoot is a biography.

THE GREAT NAME: the Guardian without question

Oh yes, because I'm going to turn to a  newspaper for discussions on science. You are a sad, poor, little troll.


I see you are unable to answer my question. What should that tell us?
 
2014-01-28 09:38:06 AM  

hardinparamedic: Given that this is being reported by the Daily Mail, a scientific journal of HIGH REPUTE, I don't see any reason to doubt this. Let the panic begin!

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 139x200]

Nah, I'm just shiatting you. The Daily Fail rags again!


Actually, they're not making this up.  Well, I don't know if they're exaggerating the potential consequences or not (or the idea that planetary warming is a result of magnetic changes rater than CO2, which I find hard to believe), but the Earth's magnetic poles do flip from time to time, and it looks like we're about to undergo that process soon (geologically speaking).   In fact, it happens, on average, every 450,000 years.  This is from wiki, showing the gradual migration of the north pole:

upload.wikimedia.org

Wandering poles are thought to precede a flip in the magnetic field.  But we don't really know, since humans weren't really around the last time this happened.  On the other hand, the measured decrease in the magnetic field strength may be the result of a temporary geomagnetic excursion, in which case the poles will go back to their usual places, and the magnetic field will return to full strength.
 
2014-01-28 09:40:32 AM  
Wonder if it will be fast when it happens or take a while...

/also wonder if it will affect the climate directly.
 
2014-01-28 09:43:36 AM  
If we're getting our stories from The Daily Mail, what about the inevitable Muslim takeover that will destroy the world first?
 
2014-01-28 09:49:21 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-28 09:49:52 AM  

t3knomanser: THE GREAT NAME: Clearly the effect of a few decades with virtually no magnetic field to protect our technology is a much bigger deal

First, this process is not a "few decades" long. It's thousands of years. Second, There is no evidence that the Earth will be without a magnetic field for this period of time- to the contrary, our best evidence indicates that the Earth's magnetosphere remains roughly the same.

This isn't a matter of talking anything "down". There's no evidence that indicates any sort of alarm is necessary or helpful here. Further, unlike climate change,  there is literally nothing we can do. The biggest vulnerability to solar radiation is the power grid, and it is  impossible to harden it sufficiently to operate without the Earth's magnetosphere for protection. Further, since there's no evidence that it will be called upon to do so, it's foolish to seriously consider it  anyway.

What we do know is that the weakened field allows solar radiation to reach the upper atmosphere. We know this because of radioisotopes gathered from 40,000 year old ice cores (the same ice cores that allow us to measure the relative quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere). We know that there's no correlation between mass extinction cycles and geomagnetic reversals, implying that there's no organic danger due to radiation. We know that geomagnetic activity is chaotic and seemingly random (it is emphatically  not periodic, and it's wrong to say we're "overdue" for a reversal). We know that the process is  usually slow, but it can sometimes happen very quickly- the 40,000 year old Laschamp event happened over the course of less that 500 years. The Cretaceous Superchron lasted 10 million years.


We really didn't have any strong earthquakes in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Then the large ones started to become more frequent; 2004 9.1, 2005 8.6, 2007 8.5, 2010 8.8, 2011 9.0, 2012 8.6.

The 2011 earthquake reportedly moved the Earth's axis 10 inches, which caused a little warming in the oceans. In my neck of the woods we saw two years of record rain and are still in an odd weather pattern.

 I was reading where the Earth has two cores, one inside the other, that move in opposing directions, but they have changed direction in the past. Now we have news the magnetic flux lines are past due to change direction, but this is wrong? When the Earth's poles change - it'll happen at the speed of light, wouldn't it?

If the Earth is a big rotary machine that periodically, "glitches", is it wrong to look for correlations and prepare for the effects, no matter how minor?  Seems odd that we build super computers for people that don't know what to do with them, kind of like building calculators for cows. I'm a cow, a big one. How do brown cows eat green grass yet give white milk? This is a strange planet.
 
2014-01-28 09:52:00 AM  

xria: So the question is, how are immigrants to blame for it?


They are not to blame, this is surely the work of the gays.
 
2014-01-28 09:57:00 AM  

Smoking GNU: The magnetosphere isn't collapsing, it's loosing integrity to a small degree as it moved towards a probable pole shift. Magnetic iron deposits show that this is a somewhat regular occurrence and that the magnetic field weakens before such an occurrence.


Get dat nerd shiat out of here!
 
2014-01-28 09:57:19 AM  
It's absolutely true because I read it in the Daily Mail.
 
2014-01-28 09:58:29 AM  
My 12-year-old just did a school project on this, and despite his fondness for zombie apocalyses and comic-book physics, he sounded more rational and sciency than that article.

He also presented a solution in the form of massively decentralized DC power grids.
 
2014-01-28 10:06:45 AM  
How the climate-change obsessed libs on Fark respond to a genuine threat of natural disaster (which can't be attributed to evil capitalism):

3.bp.blogspot.com
Plus mentioning the "Daily Fail" because nothing says rational and balanced like shooting the messenger in lieu of debating the message.
 
2014-01-28 10:12:43 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: How the climate-change obsessed libs on Fark respond to a genuine threat of natural disaster (which can't be attributed to evil capitalism):

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
Plus mentioning the "Daily Fail" because nothing says rational and balanced like shooting the messenger in lieu of debating the message.


But that does nothing to explain when the dinosaurs time and the cosmic rays DID come down, the only way out was figuring why the smaller ones AND the bigger ones, too. Science, that's why.
 
2014-01-28 10:17:11 AM  
Looking forward to getting some great aurora shots with the Nikon!
 
2014-01-28 10:17:35 AM  

tommyl66: THE GREAT NAME: How the climate-change obsessed libs on Fark respond to a genuine threat of natural disaster (which can't be attributed to evil capitalism):

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
Plus mentioning the "Daily Fail" because nothing says rational and balanced like shooting the messenger in lieu of debating the message.

But that does nothing to explain when the dinosaurs time and the cosmic rays DID come down, the only way out was figuring why the smaller ones AND the bigger ones, too. Science, that's why.


At last, someone who really gets it.
 
2014-01-28 10:21:17 AM  

Ficoce: We really didn't have any strong earthquakes in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Then the large ones started to become more frequent; 2004 9.1, 2005 8.6, 2007 8.5, 2010 8.8, 2011 9.0, 2012 8.6.


That's not exactly true. USGS data for all 8+ quakes since 1970. While activity has increased recently, a forty year window is peanuts to geology. When you expand the time horizon, you see that it's not really that big an anomaly. The 1960s had a nice pile of big quakes.

Ficoce: The 2011 earthquake reportedly moved the Earth's axis 10 inches


Ten centimeters, not inches. Big difference.

Ficoce: When the Earth's poles change - it'll happen at the speed of light, wouldn't it?


No. The Earth's magnetic field is generated by the extremely complicated motions of the iron core and the mantle. The idea that the Earth is a dipole is misleading- the Earth is a massively multipole magnet, that averages  out to a dipole, most of the time. What happens when the poles shift is that some of the other poles of the magnet become stronger, some weaker- zones of "north" can appear along the equator. It's a chaotic event that takes a long time to resolve itself.
 
2014-01-28 10:39:06 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: tommyl66: THE GREAT NAME: How the climate-change obsessed libs on Fark respond to a genuine threat of natural disaster (which can't be attributed to evil capitalism):

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
Plus mentioning the "Daily Fail" because nothing says rational and balanced like shooting the messenger in lieu of debating the message.

But that does nothing to explain when the dinosaurs time and the cosmic rays DID come down, the only way out was figuring why the smaller ones AND the bigger ones, too. Science, that's why.

At last, someone who really gets it.


Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
 
2014-01-28 10:40:10 AM  
img.fark.net

/watch out for flying flish
 
2014-01-28 10:40:26 AM  
Wen need to wind electric wire around the equator and build a shiattons of power-stations, so we have a giant coil we can power up to revert the magnetic field when this happens.
Simple!
 
2014-01-28 10:50:55 AM  
fc04.deviantart.net
 
2014-01-28 10:55:46 AM  

Slaxl: THE GREAT NAME: tommyl66: THE GREAT NAME: How the climate-change obsessed libs on Fark respond to a genuine threat of natural disaster (which can't be attributed to evil capitalism):

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
Plus mentioning the "Daily Fail" because nothing says rational and balanced like shooting the messenger in lieu of debating the message.

But that does nothing to explain when the dinosaurs time and the cosmic rays DID come down, the only way out was figuring why the smaller ones AND the bigger ones, too. Science, that's why.

At last, someone who really gets it.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


This is what I've been trying to say all along...
 
2014-01-28 11:16:38 AM  
Great so now I will need to get a new compass.
 
2014-01-28 11:17:40 AM  
Ficoce:

We really didn't have any strong earthquakes in the 70's, 80's, and 90's. Then the large ones started to become more frequent; 2004 9.1, 2005 8.6, 2007 8.5, 2010 8.8, 2011 9.0, 2012 8.6.

The people of Mexico City may disagree with your assertion. I'm sure there's others.
 
2014-01-28 11:20:01 AM  
It's the DailyMail subby. They print all kinds of alarmist sh*t all the time.
 
2014-01-28 11:20:07 AM  

Slaxl: THE GREAT NAME: tommyl66: THE GREAT NAME: How the climate-change obsessed libs on Fark respond to a genuine threat of natural disaster (which can't be attributed to evil capitalism):

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 750x600]
Plus mentioning the "Daily Fail" because nothing says rational and balanced like shooting the messenger in lieu of debating the message.

But that does nothing to explain when the dinosaurs time and the cosmic rays DID come down, the only way out was figuring why the smaller ones AND the bigger ones, too. Science, that's why.

At last, someone who really gets it.

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


I think with for the doing of the here. That means going up with the over in the there place to get something in the with. Have it in the with and the gets become later before the sooner comes and the with falls over.
 
2014-01-28 11:31:41 AM  
There is no magnetic field, only Zuul.
 
2014-01-28 11:33:37 AM  

RobSeace: Twinkles: It's all a conspiracy by the map-printing industry to get us all to buy new maps with Australia in the northern hemisphere!

[www.affordablehousinginstitute.org image 600x425]


v018o.popscreen.com
 
2014-01-28 11:40:50 AM  

Triumph: namatad: I predict that sooner or later the GW deniers will notice this fact

What fact? That the poles are about to swap? That's a fact now? That was fast.



1) thanks for quoting me out of CONTEXT and then being confused about what I said!!

2) what I said:

I predict that sooner or later the GW deniers will notice this fact and start pointing out that the earth was warming during the same period that the field was weakening!

There are actually TWO facts here:
1) The earth has gotten warmer over the last 200 years.
2) The earth's magnetic field has weakened over the last 200 years.

there is little or no contention over these facts. (contention over the cause of the warming and the magnitude is not even relevant to the fact that warming has occurred)

STUDY IT OUT!
CORRELATION OVER CAUSATION 

/yes, I am being "sarcastic" about what happens next to facts. but people using facts incorrectly does not change the facts.
 
2014-01-28 11:45:27 AM  
My 9th grade earth science teacher covered this in 1982.
 
2014-01-28 11:55:13 AM  

t3knomanser: That's not exactly true. USGS data for all 8+ quakes since 1970. While activity has increased recently, a forty year window is peanuts to geology. When you expand the time horizon, you see that it's not really that big an anomaly. The 1960s had a nice pile of big quakes.


STRANGE!
All of those big earthquakes happened near coast lines!
I think the earthquakes might be caused by the increase in population! Especially near the coasts.
NYC is due for a huge earthquake any day now.


:D
 
2014-01-28 11:58:19 AM  
www.albinjohnson.com
 
2014-01-28 12:15:45 PM  
Isn't almost every scary scenario they cite actually what would happen if the magnetic field were growing stronger?
 
2014-01-28 12:23:50 PM  
'There is evidence, but we still need to do more science to understand the impact..

SHUT UP AND START SCIENCING!!
 
2014-01-28 12:26:43 PM  

lilbjorn: Isn't almost every scary scenario they cite actually what would happen if the magnetic field were growing stronger?


Almost certainly not.  I didn't actually read it, because, you know, daily mail, but if you multiplied earth's magnetic field's intensity by 10, the only change that would be required is recalibration of some aeronautics equipment.
 
2014-01-28 12:53:11 PM  

xria: So the question is, how are immigrants to blame for it?


Hey, all my ancestors came over legally. This isn't that sort of Pole shift.
 
2014-01-28 01:07:49 PM  
Don't worry. This is something the government can fix with some sort of tax. A value added tax on GPS units and compasses.
 
2014-01-28 01:38:05 PM  
But, i'm still recovering from the great apocalypse of 2012!
 
2014-01-28 01:43:10 PM  

trappedspirit: 'There is evidence, but we still need to do more science to understand the impact..

SHUT UP AND START SCIENCING!!

 
2014-01-28 02:08:37 PM  
what is wrong with you people??

THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2014-01-28 02:11:51 PM  

Hollie Maea: I've been assured that this already happened 9 years ago.

[thishollowearth.files.wordpress.com image 318x414]


haha that was my 21st birthday.  I did anticipate the end, and partied accordingly.  Lots of tequila, lots of fun.
 
2014-01-28 02:12:09 PM  
Damn. I just finished paying off my medical bills for psychological therapy from the Great Scare of 2000. The Microsoft End of the World scare. Now, here's another one ..
 
2014-01-28 02:43:49 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: Ha ha I love all the global warming alarmists trying to talk this down because it's not man made.

Clearly the effect of a few decades with virtually no magnetic field to protect our technology is a much bigger deal than a few flooded coastal areas. But there's no "your sins caused this" angle, so they're not interested - in fact they want it to go away because they want all the media "science bandwidth" to be spent promoting their pseudo-scientificreligion.


Yeah, let's send Sandra Bullock to plug a car battery into the pole, that'll do the trick! Just like in that totally scientific documentary The Core!

Meanwhile, we -can- maybe not burn so much shiat or do something to offset incoming sunlight if it comes down to that.
 
2014-01-28 03:09:31 PM  

Just_a_Bear: what is wrong with you people??

THANKS, OBAMA!


Easy now, this is the first he's heard about this.
 
2014-01-28 03:18:54 PM  

Smoking GNU: The magnetosphere isn't collapsing, it's loosing integrity to a small degree as it moved towards a probable pole shift. Magnetic iron deposits show that this is a somewhat regular occurrence and that the magnetic field weakens before such an occurrence.


That's still going to be a PITA socially, and depending on how the poles shift could cause havoc. But on the other hand, there's jack all we can do about it anyway.
 
2014-01-28 03:27:44 PM  

m1ke: There is no magnetic field, only Zuul.


 Ahem.
 
2014-01-28 03:29:18 PM  
So how long do we have to wait for the impending/periodic mag pole shift to be blamed on the Republican Party and their nature haters??
 
2014-01-28 03:46:56 PM  
Hiro-ACiD:  If we had wanted to know what was going on we would have read TFA..

Said no Daily Mail reader, ever.
 
2014-01-28 03:49:21 PM  
Magnetic fields can suck my balls
 
2014-01-28 03:50:24 PM  

Wook: So how long do we have to wait for the impending/periodic mag pole shift to be blamed on the Republican Party and their nature haters??


What if it turns out that too many trees were hugged?
 
2014-01-28 05:09:36 PM  
*facepalm* Scientific American had the polar shift as a cover article back in 2004, and as it's already been mentioned, iron deposits show that this is a typical (though infrequent) event that takes hundreds of years to complete 1 shift cycle.   The Taoist in me perceives this as the magnetic poles are always in the process of shifting, and have never been solely stable.
 
2014-01-28 05:16:54 PM  

t3knomanser: All the geological evidence we have indicates that while the field becomes more chaotic, the magnetopause still extends out to 3 Earth radii and will continue to protect us. This has happened many,  many times before. There is no evidence that links reversals to any sort of cataclysm on Earth. If there  were a sudden influx of radiation, we'd expect to see mass extinctions- and we don't.

The process also takes 1,000-10,000 years, so... what I'm trying to say here is that this is a non-event.


Nooooo! It's gonna happen tomorrow because I didn't buy a hybrid!

/glad someone finally pointed out this process isn't really "instant" relative to our lifetimes.
 
2014-01-28 05:26:05 PM  

t3knomanser: THE GREAT NAME: Clearly the effect of a few decades with virtually no magnetic field to protect our technology is a much bigger deal

First, this process is not a "few decades" long. It's thousands of years. Second, There is no evidence that the Earth will be without a magnetic field for this period of time- to the contrary, our best evidence indicates that the Earth's magnetosphere remains roughly the same.

This isn't a matter of talking anything "down". There's no evidence that indicates any sort of alarm is necessary or helpful here. Further, unlike climate change,  there is literally nothing we can do. The biggest vulnerability to solar radiation is the power grid, and it is  impossible to harden it sufficiently to operate without the Earth's magnetosphere for protection. Further, since there's no evidence that it will be called upon to do so, it's foolish to seriously consider it  anyway.

What we do know is that the weakened field allows solar radiation to reach the upper atmosphere. We know this because of radioisotopes gathered from 40,000 year old ice cores (the same ice cores that allow us to measure the relative quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere). We know that there's no correlation between mass extinction cycles and geomagnetic reversals, implying that there's no organic danger due to radiation. We know that geomagnetic activity is chaotic and seemingly random (it is emphatically  not periodic, and it's wrong to say we're "overdue" for a reversal). We know that the process is  usually slow, but it can sometimes happen very quickly- the 40,000 year old Laschamp event happened over the course of less that 500 years. The Cretaceous Superchron lasted 10 million years.


Consider the following:
The simplest life on Earth formed approximately 3.6 billion years ago. 0.2 billion years later, cyanobacteria was around. Using the average occurrence of 450 thousand years, the poles would have reversed approximately 400 times in the time simple cells would have evolved into cyanobacteria. I would think that magnetic pole reversals would have killed off life, via solar storm radiation, before it even had enough traction to get started.

You could argue that, in theory, the magnetic reversals may have spurred evolution from simple cells to cyanobacteria.

Any complex body capable of supporting life should be able to protect said life from events that occur repeatedly over a long time.
 
2014-01-28 05:33:08 PM  

Yes this is dog: So are we going to have to pack up all the farking Kangaroos and shiat and move them to Iceland?


/The End!
 
2014-01-28 06:13:59 PM  

efgeise: Any complex body capable of supporting life should be able to protect said life from events that occur repeatedly over a long time.


Stop, your making the wooly mammoth and sabre tooth tigers cry.  And they have 26,000, 48,000 and 100,000 year cycles.  But they are still dead.  They'll be back though or something like it.
 
2014-01-28 07:01:20 PM  
humans are to blame!!! with the huge increase of electromagnetic radiation their toys put out. tax the toys to oblivion!!!

How else will the algores and such keep up the money grab since the global warming is over.

humans are to blame!!! their reduction of VOC's is causing the world to freeze!!!
tax the green products for causing an ice age!!!
 
2014-01-28 07:07:01 PM  
Some of my more paranoid Facebook friends will have a field day with this.
 
2014-01-28 08:12:20 PM  
d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net

/flawed but fun portrayal of America once the grid goes down
/helps to wear patriotic clothing while reading
 
2014-01-28 08:43:55 PM  
tea baggers and deniers
 
2014-01-28 09:01:57 PM  

ReverendJynxed: Just_a_Bear: what is wrong with you people??

THANKS, OBAMA!

Easy now, this is the first he's heard about this.


He read it in the Daily mail...just like everyone else.
 
2014-01-29 04:47:59 AM  
Where are the usual warmist propagandists from climate change threads? You know, I****r, J** S***, d************k, c**** n**** etc.

Obviously this thread hasn't been flagged on  http://realitydrop.org/
 
2014-01-29 07:39:40 AM  

THE GREAT NAME: Where are the usual warmist propagandists from climate change threads? You know, I****r, J** S***, d************k, c**** n**** etc.

Frozen solid.

 
2014-01-29 10:21:14 AM  

namatad: I predict that sooner or later the GW deniers will notice this fact and start pointing out that the earth was warming during the same period that the field was weakening!

STUDY IT OUT


I found the article confusing on this point.  They point to an uncited study that claims a "natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere."  But wouldn't that be a result of a stronger magnetic field, not a weaker one?

Wish they provided a link.  All I could find Googling was a few denier sites that provide the same quote.
 
2014-01-29 01:20:45 PM  

caddisfly: [d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net image 312x475]

/flawed but fun portrayal of America once the grid goes down
/helps to wear patriotic clothing while reading


You're not wearing it everyday? Name noted
 
2014-01-29 02:00:38 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: Where are the usual warmist propagandists from climate change threads? You know, I****r, J** S***, d************k, c**** n**** etc.

Obviously this thread hasn't been flagged on  http://realitydrop.org/



I can't speak for the others, but remember that not everyone is always around. Plus, this doesn't seem to be an obvious climate change thread - the same people won't necessarily be in every geek tab thread.

Is there something you wanted to discuss?
 
2014-01-29 02:04:46 PM  

THE GREAT NAME: t3knomanser: THE GREAT NAME: Clearly the effect of a few decades with virtually no magnetic field to protect our technology is a much bigger deal

First, this process is not a "few decades" long. It's thousands of years. Second, There is no evidence that the Earth will be without a magnetic field for this period of time- to the contrary, our best evidence indicates that the Earth's magnetosphere remains roughly the same.

This isn't a matter of talking anything "down". There's no evidence that indicates any sort of alarm is necessary or helpful here. Further, unlike climate change,  there is literally nothing we can do. The biggest vulnerability to solar radiation is the power grid, and it is  impossible to harden it sufficiently to operate without the Earth's magnetosphere for protection. Further, since there's no evidence that it will be called upon to do so, it's foolish to seriously consider it  anyway.

What we do know is that the weakened field allows solar radiation to reach the upper atmosphere. We know this because of radioisotopes gathered from 40,000 year old ice cores (the same ice cores that allow us to measure the relative quantity of CO2 in the atmosphere). We know that there's no correlation between mass extinction cycles and geomagnetic reversals, implying that there's no organic danger due to radiation. We know that geomagnetic activity is chaotic and seemingly random (it is emphatically  not periodic, and it's wrong to say we're "overdue" for a reversal). We know that the process is  usually slow, but it can sometimes happen very quickly- the 40,000 year old Laschamp event happened over the course of less that 500 years. The Cretaceous Superchron lasted 10 million years.

Wow... that tl;dr overreaction speaks volumes, I'd say.



As you're apparently eager to discuss the topic, this sort of outright rejection of scientific information seems extremely counterproductive. Is there something you need clarified or perhaps need more information about?
 
2014-01-29 02:22:35 PM  

Xcott: namatad: I predict that sooner or later the GW deniers will notice this fact and start pointing out that the earth was warming during the same period that the field was weakening!

STUDY IT OUT

I found the article confusing on this point.  They point to an uncited study that claims a "natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere."  But wouldn't that be a result of a stronger magnetic field, not a weaker one?

Wish they provided a link.  All I could find Googling was a few denier sites that provide the same quote.



You're correct. According to the mechanism that TFA alludes to, one would see the opposite correlation that namatad points out.

Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons why the Daily Mail, whether fairly or not, gets its 'Daily Fail' tag around here. Not only have they they shoehorned in this somewhat contradictory bit, they provide no details besides telling us it's a  "Danish study" (as if this was the mostimportant and therefore only detail to relay). This renders it very difficult to check.
 
2014-01-29 04:23:38 PM  

Damnhippyfreak: Xcott: namatad: I predict that sooner or later the GW deniers will notice this fact and start pointing out that the earth was warming during the same period that the field was weakening!

STUDY IT OUT

I found the article confusing on this point.  They point to an uncited study that claims a "natural period of low cloud cover due to fewer cosmic rays entering the atmosphere."  But wouldn't that be a result of a stronger magnetic field, not a weaker one?

Wish they provided a link.  All I could find Googling was a few denier sites that provide the same quote.


You're correct. According to the mechanism that TFA alludes to, one would see the opposite correlation that namatad points out.

Unfortunately, this is one of the reasons why the Daily Mail, whether fairly or not, gets its 'Daily Fail' tag around here. Not only have they they shoehorned in this somewhat contradictory bit, they provide no details besides telling us it's a  "Danish study" (as if this was the mostimportant and therefore only detail to relay). This renders it very difficult to check.



Presumably they're talking about this:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2011/may/13/evidence-that-c os mic-rays-seed-clouds
 
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