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(Insurance Journal)   Oklahoma police may be allowed to email tickets instead of handing them to drivers, adding on a $5 email service convenience fee   (insurancejournal.com) divider line 74
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2014-01-27 05:44:50 PM
I don't have email .
 
2014-01-27 05:45:13 PM
Never trust a cop.
 
2014-01-27 05:47:45 PM
Then you qualify for the $10 hand it to you fee.
 
2014-01-27 05:47:57 PM
Well of course. An extra five dollars is convenient for them.
 
2014-01-27 05:48:21 PM
In no way could this be abused.
 
2014-01-27 05:49:44 PM
I'm not sure the police would even want this option?

You would be surprised just how much actual crime is revealed in the course of your average traffic stop.

What happens when a cop emails a speeding ticket and it later turns out the driver (who would have been arrested for DUI in a traffic stop) ends up killing a family in a minivan 5 miles down the road?
 
2014-01-27 05:49:55 PM
"Routine traffic stops are one of the most dangerous times for officers to become injured because they don't know what kind of situation or individual they're approaching. They're walking up blind," said McAffrey. "We need to provide better protection for them by not putting them in harm's way unnecessarily. By allowing them to submit electronic citations, they'd no longer have to leave the safety of their car."

The e-mail address linked to my license plate is s­uxs­h­ia­t[nospam-﹫-backwards]zzasamm­amruoy*c­om
/well, not really.
 
2014-01-27 05:50:53 PM

Brick-House: Then you qualify for the $10 hand it to you fee.


how much to get them to sodomize me with the ticket?
 
2014-01-27 05:52:26 PM
So can I e-mail them a picture of a check?

/one speeding ticket in my life, don't plan on more
//working so far
 
2014-01-27 05:53:13 PM

RottenEggs: I don't have email .


I do, it's:

supercalifragilisticexpialidociousl1L0o1lL011l0ool1Iil10l1oOoOoO@gmai l .com

here you go, officer - I even have it on this business card to make it easier for you to punch in back at the station... yes, I totally feel this service is worth $5...
 
2014-01-27 05:55:09 PM
Adds OPD to spam blocker.
 
2014-01-27 05:56:09 PM
Yeah this won't be abused at all, I can see the new speed trap where they don't have to stop you they just have to capture your plate and then make up a B.S. ticket and boom there you go a citation with no way to contest it since you had no idea you got it.
 
2014-01-27 05:58:22 PM

Brick-House: Then you qualify for the $10 hand it to you fee.


So they are gonna use the Sweet Haven Tax Man scheme?
 
2014-01-27 05:58:41 PM
Smart response: Sorry, I never got it. Can you prove I got it?

Internet tough guy response: You can take that email ticket, and take that convenience fee, and shove em both up your piggy ass.
 
2014-01-27 05:59:08 PM

PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: So can I e-mail them a picture of a check?

/one speeding ticket in my life, don't plan on more
//working so far


Probably. In this day and age you can deposit a check by taking a shot of it with your phone.
 
2014-01-27 05:59:42 PM
How many farkers just changed their public email to:

A.  Al McAffrey @ oklahoma senate

B. Little Bobby Tables
 
2014-01-27 06:01:50 PM

MurphyMurphy: I'm not sure the police would even want this option?

You would be surprised just how much actual crime is revealed in the course of your average traffic stop.

What happens when a cop emails a speeding ticket and it later turns out the driver (who would have been arrested for DUI in a traffic stop) ends up killing a family in a minivan 5 miles down the road?


yeah, that's another argument I've had against the auto-tickets from red light cameras.

Don't want to walk up to a car and deal with someone that might be mentally unstable or dangerous? Don't be a cop.
 
2014-01-27 06:02:37 PM
I am sure this will work out "fine". *wink*
 
2014-01-27 06:05:42 PM

pedobearapproved: MurphyMurphy: I'm not sure the police would even want this option?

You would be surprised just how much actual crime is revealed in the course of your average traffic stop.

What happens when a cop emails a speeding ticket and it later turns out the driver (who would have been arrested for DUI in a traffic stop) ends up killing a family in a minivan 5 miles down the road?

yeah, that's another argument I've had against the auto-tickets from red light cameras.

Don't want to walk up to a car and deal with someone that might be mentally unstable or dangerous? Don't be a cop.


Besides, how are they gonna get to kick a little ass if they never confront anyone?

Wouldn't want to deny them that.
 
2014-01-27 06:09:19 PM
Imagine the convenience. Now instead of them having to invent a traffic violation for you to have committed when they're behind on their quota, they can just send some tickets to random email addresses without pausing the porn they're watching while they snort drugs and nap in their cop cars.
 
2014-01-27 06:09:47 PM

interstellar_tedium: Yeah this won't be abused at all, I can see the new speed trap where they don't have to stop you they just have to capture your plate and then make up a B.S. ticket and boom there you go a citation with no way to contest it since you had no idea you got it.


They did this in Maricopa County AZ for years.
 
2014-01-27 06:10:41 PM
You can easily pay for your ticket here:
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-27 06:13:58 PM
How is this supposed to work? How can a cop identify the driver of the car if he doesn't make face-to-face contact? What if the driver has warrant, or a suspended license or no insurance, or the car is stolen? Sounds like a stupid idea to me.
 
2014-01-27 06:15:20 PM
Wow! That is convenient!
 
2014-01-27 06:15:52 PM

Harry Freakstorm: "Routine traffic stops are one of the most dangerous times for officers to become injured because they don't know what kind of situation or individual they're approaching. They're walking up blind," said McAffrey. "We need to provide better protection for them by not putting them in harm's way unnecessarily. By allowing them to submit electronic citations, they'd no longer have to leave the safety of their car."

The e-mail address linked to my license plate is suxshiat[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]zzasammamruoy[* image 7x13]com
/well, not really.


You're a farking cop. You get paid by the citizens to put your personal safety on the line. I don't want to see cops killed or physically harmed in any way, but man the fark up if you're going to be a cop and recognize that at any moment someone can pull a gun on you. If you can't recognize that, then get the fark out of law enforcement.

Your personal safety and traffic fine quotas does not outweigh weaseling out of due process. It never has. See: Redflex.
 
2014-01-27 06:17:10 PM
The measure would add a $5 fee to the amount paid by defendants convicted of speeding (up to 10 mph over the speed limit), certain misdemeanor traffic violations, or a driving under the influence misdemeanor or felony.

While it is nice that people don't have to be arrested for traffic violations that might otherwise require arrest, the fact that someone can be charged with a DUI without being pulled over is disturbing.

Seems like someone could be acting as a backdoor agent for some red light/speeding camera company.
 
2014-01-27 06:21:18 PM
Ticket Master not making enough gouging for concerts and events anymore? Now the ymoved to where the real money is.
 
2014-01-27 06:24:06 PM

Walker: Smart response: Sorry, I never got it. Can you prove I got it?

Internet tough guy response: You can take that email ticket, and take that convenience fee, and shove em both up your piggy ass.


This.

"I never got any email...can you prove I did?"

Or

"I was denied my right to full discovery because i never got any ticket."
 
2014-01-27 06:37:44 PM
To be fair, if you voluntarily go to Oklahoma, you deserve whatever bad things happen to you.
 
2014-01-27 06:38:27 PM
Yea lets tie our silly little email address's to our drivers license.

/You are under arrest for trolling patriotic loyal tea baggers on freeper-republic.
//Never mind needing a read receipt so they know you got it and not c­orksu­cker2[nospam-﹫-backwards]di­amto­h*com­munist
///Something something lazy sacks of shiat destroying 'due process'.
 
2014-01-27 06:40:18 PM
Seems to me the convenience fee should be at least five bucks off the ticket.
 
2014-01-27 06:41:32 PM

CruiserTwelve: How is this supposed to work? How can a cop identify the driver of the car if he doesn't make face-to-face contact? What if the driver has warrant, or a suspended license or no insurance, or the car is stolen? Sounds like a stupid idea to me.


You can bet there's some private company offering this e-citation service that didn't care about any of that when they wrote the bill and the talking points.
 
2014-01-27 06:44:40 PM
It would be worth it for me if I could just hand the cop a credit card and cut out the middle man.
 
2014-01-27 06:44:45 PM
dON'T WORRY, THE POLICE ARE ALREADY AHEAD OF YOU. tHEY WILL GET YOUR TRUE EMAIL ADDRESS FROM YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE.
 
2014-01-27 06:45:35 PM

Nem Wan: CruiserTwelve: How is this supposed to work? How can a cop identify the driver of the car if he doesn't make face-to-face contact? What if the driver has warrant, or a suspended license or no insurance, or the car is stolen? Sounds like a stupid idea to me.

You can bet there's some private company offering this e-citation service that didn't care about any of that when they wrote the bill and the talking points.


I'm also they lobbied the government with an emphasis on the amount of revenue that could be made with great big numbers next to dollar signs, with the whole 'constitutionality' thing as the fine print in the bottom left corner with a string of asterisks.
 
2014-01-27 06:46:47 PM
Did any of you morons read TFA? "...simply email traffic violation citations directly to the district court clerk ..."

It doesn't spell it out, but I'd assume you'd get the ticket in the mail just light a red-light camera.
 
2014-01-27 06:50:31 PM

Kit Fister: It would be worth it for me if I could just hand the cop a credit card and cut out the middle man.


The second (and last) ticket I ever got was from a no-horse town between a one horse town and a two horse town in east texas.

Had to appear, in person, to pay the ticket. They did not accept cash, check or card.
 
2014-01-27 06:56:06 PM

kroonermanblack: Kit Fister: It would be worth it for me if I could just hand the cop a credit card and cut out the middle man.

The second (and last) ticket I ever got was from a no-horse town between a one horse town and a two horse town in east texas.

Had to appear, in person, to pay the ticket. They did not accept cash, check or card.


Look, the Judge's dick ain't gonna suck itself.
 
2014-01-27 06:58:50 PM
why bother with the cop, just whip out the radar cams.
 
2014-01-27 07:00:26 PM

kroonermanblack: Kit Fister: It would be worth it for me if I could just hand the cop a credit card and cut out the middle man.

The second (and last) ticket I ever got was from a no-horse town between a one horse town and a two horse town in east texas.

Had to appear, in person, to pay the ticket. They did not accept cash, check or card.


Similar story.  Right hand curve at the end of a bridge and you're in Ralston, OK.  Speed limit (25) sign is in the middle of that bend.  As luck would have it, my DL had expired, insurance verification card was expired (insurance was current, though) and my license plate tag had expired.

Had to wait a week then drive back to Ralston when the circuit judge would be in town.
 
2014-01-27 07:01:24 PM
It'll do about as much good as sending it to my mailing adress 1060 West Addison
 
2014-01-27 07:03:06 PM

SansNeural: kroonermanblack: Kit Fister: It would be worth it for me if I could just hand the cop a credit card and cut out the middle man.

The second (and last) ticket I ever got was from a no-horse town between a one horse town and a two horse town in east texas.

Had to appear, in person, to pay the ticket. They did not accept cash, check or card.

Similar story.  Right hand curve at the end of a bridge and you're in Ralston, OK.  Speed limit (25) sign is in the middle of that bend.  As luck would have it, my DL had expired, insurance verification card was expired (insurance was current, though) and my license plate tag had expired.

Had to wait a week then drive back to Ralston when the circuit judge would be in town.


I think I see your problem.
 
2014-01-27 07:14:35 PM

MarkEC: Did any of you morons read TFA? "...simply email traffic violation citations directly to the district court clerk ..."

It doesn't spell it out, but I'd assume you'd get the ticket in the mail just light a red-light camera.


TFA, the quotes in TFA and the text of TFB don't really seem to jive. The bill seems to only say that it'll be legal to send citations to the county clerk electronically, for a $5 fee. TFA expands on that and says that officers can issue citations electronically, presumably to the defendant. The quote in TFA says that all this is so cops don't have to leave their cars, but TFA mentions violations that I'd assume you'd have to interact with the suspect to verify (DUI). I dunno.

Here's the bill, if anyone else want's to try to make heads or tails of it. I go cross eyed reading legalese.
 
2014-01-27 07:49:21 PM
I think there's a fundemental paradigm/policy problem here. The type of person who's liable to attack a cop is best handled by a cop, who is ready and prepared for that sort of thing to a much greater degree than the next victim they come across. Emailing tickets will reduce direct attacks on cops, but won't get these people off the street and then might not reduce the total mumber of attacks.
 
2014-01-27 07:53:24 PM
who is convenienced? not me. the cop can pay the 5$ for the convenience of not talking to me.
 
2014-01-27 07:56:57 PM
Sim Tree
I think there's a fundemental paradigm/policy problem here. The type of person who's liable to attack a cop is best handled by a cop, who is ready and prepared for that sort of thing to a much greater degree than the next victim they come across. Emailing tickets will reduce direct attacks on cops, but won't get these people off the street and then might not reduce the total mumber of attacks.


If I was a member of the PR firm handling this:
"Since traffic stops cause the majority of deaths to law enforcement, using e-citatations would greatly reduce the deaths in the law enforcement community and make life simpler for the driver as well."

Of course everyone knows in their gut that law enforment is an extrememly dangerous job and everyone on the street could be out there to kill them. I don't want to break the 'We support our law enforcement' reality party line.
 
2014-01-27 08:07:14 PM

Sim Tree: I think there's a fundemental paradigm/policy problem here. The type of person who's liable to attack a cop is best handled by a cop, who is ready and prepared for that sort of thing to a much greater degree than the next victim they come across. Emailing tickets will reduce direct attacks on cops, but won't get these people off the street and then might not reduce the total mumber of attacks.


At the opposite extreme is all the nice, sympathetic people with good records who might get off with a warning if the officer talked to them. Will there be no warnings under this bill? Or are warnings given only under preset conditions (minor violation, vehicle or registered owner have no priors or other violations). Again, how does the officer even know who's driving with this e-ticketing?
 
2014-01-27 08:09:47 PM
wait... how would they even GET the email, unless the person volunteered for the program in the first place? i'm much more ok with this.
 
2014-01-27 08:13:51 PM
Well, there'$ no doubt that thi$ will re$ult in much-needed $ecurity for officer$.
 
2014-01-27 08:21:42 PM

evilmousse: who is convenienced? not me. the cop can pay the 5$ for the convenience of not talking to me.


As far as I can tell, the only person referring to it as a convenience fee is subby. The bill says it's supposed to go towards the costs of maintaining the electronic citation system.
 
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