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(Washington Post)   According to new poll Americans believe both sides are not equally bad   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 118
    More: Obvious, Americans, GOP, Brian Beutler, Democratic Party, Pew Research  
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2014-01-27 06:47:46 PM

whidbey: But I suspect you know that, and I'm not trying to make a lecture out of it . I just have a feeling that you're probably going to poo-poo the "support the Dems" suggestion.


Not really... I end up voting Democratic because there isn't any viable 3rd party out there and the Democratic candidates stand the best chance of keeping the Republicans out of office (which is essential in my opinion). I'm still an independent because I only find some common ground with Democratic policy. My hope is that at some point the Republican party will dissolve and be replaced with a new political party that actually wants to improve the country for everyone. I'm not holding my breath on that happening... but that's what I hope will happen at some point in my lifetime.
 
2014-01-27 07:08:36 PM

Infernalist: Musikslayer: Infernalist: It's only a matter of time, though.  They've lost the youth and people don't magically turn into bigots and xenophobes and religious lunatics just because they pass that magical boundary from 'young' into 'mature.'

You'd be surprised about that one. I'm 49, I've seen quite a few people make the change, especially since FB came along and I'm hearing from people I knew 30 years ago. It's like watching a sci-fi Body Snatchers movie, I'll see someone from the past and say "Oh noes, they got Joe too!" Examples from my high school, via FB:

One woman is all "drug-test those welfare bums". I used to smoke weed with her all the time, and she sold it too.
One guy was super bright but cool, I think he graduated 2 years early. He's a surgeon who posts crazy stuff from WND and worse.
One woman is "Family values" right wing Jebus. I slept with her, and I wasn't that popular, I think we all did at some point.
2 of the guys that were badboys/drugs are cops. One of them is in prison for brutality to prisoners, he was Mr. Laid back stoner in the day. The other was body-snatched, I ran into him as an adult. He's literally a different personality, they stuck a badge on him and he went from Cheech and Chong to that Sgt. in "Full Metal Jacket" overnite.

People change.

I don't doubt that 'some' young folk will go stupid when they get older, but they won't be a majority.


Well, a good amount are stupid to begin with.

I'll never underestimate the far right. Ted Cruz can look right at a camera and say "I voted against the democratic shutdown" without flinching, Palin can talk about a bridge she was against that she tried to get. Texas is re-writing textbooks for this reason, it's their version of going back in time to kill Sarah Connor. North Carolina is doing its best to wage war against teachers to create a generation of dumbasses.
 
2014-01-27 07:19:03 PM

Pocket Ninja: Which hurts more -- falling from 5 feet or falling from 25?

Before you celebrate being higher in the polls, one should look down and contemplate how far the fall.


Nice!
 
2014-01-27 07:31:56 PM
The gerymandering thing is interesting - GOP has used it to very successfully control state legislatures, and thereby the house in turn.  But those safe districts are now so safe and isolated from challenge that their elections have gone full retard.  This, in turn, gives us all those fantastic campaign sound bites and idiotic obstructionism in the house that turns off the moderates and independents to the point where the GOP gets their ass handed to them in the larger scale elections like the senate.
 
2014-01-27 07:36:12 PM

Bawdy George: Target Builder: DrBenway:
Something like that has happened in North Carolina I believe. And having moved up here from Austin, I'm really getting a kick... aw, fark it.

VA farker here.

The state went for Obama in '08 and '12, has a Democrat Governor and two Democrat Senators but somehow, through the wonders of representative democracy, two thirds of the State House of Delegates and almost three quarters of the state's Representatives are Republican.

Fixed for consistency.


You know, this is the second thread in the past couple of days I've seen nitpicking over that and it seems a bit silly when taken this far. The typical right-wing dickbag usage is of "Democrat Party" but this is not that. This is closer to petty grammar Nazi territory.

/mini-rant off
 
2014-01-27 07:50:10 PM

Rapmaster2000: It only looks like that because the poll takers were biased.  If you unskew the statisticals and study it out, it clearly shows that Republicans are much more popular.  The problem is just messaging.  If only voters heard our REAL views, then they would love them.


Thankfully, this is what many republicans actually believe. Stay the course, gop!
 
2014-01-27 08:03:57 PM

shut_it_down: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Gerrymandering seems to be the linchpin for the GOP now. The next time the Democrats get a turn at drawing the lines, the wheels come off. And good riddance.

/unless of course the Democrats try to play fair rather than going for the kill

I think that if the Democrats play fair, then the kill happens in the election.  Republicans can only sustain their advantage by gerrymandering.  With Democrats getting a majority of house votes in 2012, you only have to reset districting to "neutral" for the Democrats to win.


The redistricting happens after the census. So, the election of 2020 will be all kinds of important. Until then, we're pretty much stuck with the morons in charge.
 
2014-01-27 08:38:44 PM
People wonder why voter's rights laws are being struck down. New voter ID requirements. The people running America are losing their go to party and they're falling back on their B team. They want their first string back and they'll rewrite your bullshiat legislation to get it that way.
 
2014-01-27 08:40:20 PM

Lamberts Ho Man: The gerymandering thing is interesting - GOP has used it to very successfully control state legislatures, and thereby the house in turn.  But those safe districts are now so safe and isolated from challenge that their elections have gone full retard.  This, in turn, gives us all those fantastic campaign sound bites and idiotic obstructionism in the house that turns off the moderates and independents to the point where the GOP gets their ass handed to them in the larger scale elections like the senate.


Yeah, there's some lovely "be careful what you wish for" to that, isn't there? Now their concerns regarding opposition are almost exclusively limited to their party primaries which tend to turn into a series of raging "no, I'M crazier!" derpfests.

One of these years, we'll perhaps see a move towards some sort of non-partisan, objective computer modeling for redistricting but I'm not holding my breath. It's been tried in a few places though, if I'm not mistaken, but I don't know how that's worked out.
 
2014-01-27 09:11:40 PM

qorkfiend: One could argue that appeasement in 1938 was a full-on recognition of the objective reality that the United Kingdom and France weren't ready for an all-out mechanized war with Nazi Germany and that they had to buy as much time as they could to mobilize their own militaries.


For England is was more modernization.  Chamberlin was responsible for the largest military upgrade and military spending increase in British history.
 
2014-01-27 09:12:54 PM

BMFPitt: Both sides are differently bad.


Overcooked chicken and the holocaust are both bad.
 
2014-01-27 10:27:29 PM

a particular individual: Isitoveryet: until Jesus returns upon his velocipede velociraptor

Raptor Jesus returns for our tasty livers

FTFY

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May Raptor Jesus forgive your sins and disembowel you quickly.
 
2014-01-27 11:24:05 PM
Have the polls been unskewed yet? Once you do that, than ALL AMERICANS believe that the GOP are True Americans™ and the libbys are pinko-communist hippie-treehugging lobbyist-humping bastards.
 
2014-01-27 11:29:58 PM

JohnnyC: whidbey: But I suspect you know that, and I'm not trying to make a lecture out of it . I just have a feeling that you're probably going to poo-poo the "support the Dems" suggestion.

Not really... I end up voting Democratic because there isn't any viable 3rd party out there and the Democratic candidates stand the best chance of keeping the Republicans out of office (which is essential in my opinion). I'm still an independent because I only find some common ground with Democratic policy. My hope is that at some point the Republican party will dissolve and be replaced with a new political party that actually wants to improve the country for everyone. I'm not holding my breath on that happening... but that's what I hope will happen at some point in my lifetime.


Well, I'm saying the Democratic party has actually improved this country for everyone, and would have accomplished a lot more improvement if people would have supported them instead of playing the "both sides" game. I'm content for them to be that party that replaces the Republicans and move on to something else. But judging from the lack of a viable option, the public has a lot of work to do. I would venture they want the far right taking over again this November just to punish Obama for not doing enough/too much/gridlock, etc.
 
2014-01-28 03:34:23 AM
If you don't think both parties are out to fark you up the backside every chance they get, then you aren't paying attention.  Or you enjoy getting farked up the backside.
 
2014-01-28 08:33:24 AM

Corvus: Now if only those people came out and vote things would change rapidly.


Guess what some D possible voters don't have the time to do, or in some states, also get, because they're too busy working two jobs?
 
2014-01-28 09:19:36 AM

Lamberts Ho Man: The gerymandering thing is interesting - GOP has used it to very successfully control state legislatures, and thereby the house in turn. But those safe districts are now so safe and isolated from challenge that their elections have gone full retard.


This is also why the Republican Party in Georgia wants the US Senate to return to being appointed by state legislatures rather than voted on directly by the public. The Senate is something they can't gerrymander under the current system.
 
2014-01-28 09:26:55 AM

OgreMagi: If you don't think both parties are out to fark you up the backside every chance they get, then you aren't paying attention.  Or you enjoy getting farked up the backside.


So... vote Santorum?
 
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