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2014-01-27 03:22:45 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Satan's Bunny Slippers: So. Much. This. I've never ever understood the "straight party voter" either. I disagree with Dems on things to a varying degree, but I disagree with Repubs on pretty much every damn thing that's come out of their mouths for the last 12 years or so.

If we voted on issues rather than candidates, I suspect most people would fall close to "the middle". Because we vote on candidates, and many of them (even in Congressional races) are unknowns, we use the party's politics as a proxy for the candidate's beliefs.

Perhaps if more Republicans were willing to publicly repudiate the "Two dollars bad; four (billion) dollars good!" and "Only white is alright" planks from the platform - or call out the behavior when they see it - we would stop associating them with their fringe element. It becomes harder to do that when the Democratic version of "the fringe" is someone who wants to make firearms harder to buy and thinks taxes on the highest incomes could stand to be around 60%.


Indeed.  I'm very much issue oriented and tried to stay abreast of candidates' views on things that were important to me but as recently as 16 years ago, I could probably be swayed to vote for someone I was not familiar with by checking out which party they were with. I'm much more likely to do so today.  If anything, the last 6 years have turned me into a much more informed voter. I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now.  I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

I'm truly that disgusted by the "politics" of them right now.
 
2014-01-27 03:25:06 PM  

autonoe: YMMV, but that sums up the Republican Party in our neck of the woods and, I'm sad to say, the irrelevancy of a poll like this.


Very nice summation.

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now. I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".


And that's precisely where my husband is, too.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:01 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts. San Antonio was also split, as was Houston and Forth Worth.


Amend that to cover cities that are big enough to have multiple districts on their own.  Houston is big enough to have 3 reps by itself.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:09 PM  
Doesn't matter. The GOP has gerrymandered districts all to hell so that they don't need anything close to a majority of the population to at least keep the House.

Lord Dimwit: But the GOP will always have wedge issues. I know plenty of people who disagree with 99% of the GOP's platform, but vote Republican anyway because of (a) same-sex marriage, (b) abortion, (c) evolution in schools, (d) something something "Christians are oppressed" something.

I'm not saying they're wrong to do so


Then I will. They are wrong. Trying to force their religious based "values" on the entire country is wrong. Voting against the economic interests of themselves and most of the rest of the nation's population because they're so keen to force these religious values on everyone is wrong.

They're ignorant and wrong. Fark 'em.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:37 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts.


Population.

No, I'm not defending gerrymandering, especially in Texas.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:41 PM  
We really need a "no shiat" tag.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:45 PM  

Ned Stark: Zarquon's Flat Tire: Lord Dimwit: But the GOP will always have wedge issues. I know plenty of people who disagree with 99% of the GOP's platform, but vote Republican anyway because of (a) same-sex marriage, (b) abortion, (c) evolution in schools, (d) something something "Christians are oppressed" something.

I'm not saying they're wrong to do so - if abortion and/or same-sex marriage is 100 times more important than the other issues put together, then that's a reasonable vote. I personally think it's pretty damn stupid, but that's how it goes. Wedge issues are powerful for precisely that reason.

I understand it, but it still seems strange to me. I disagree with some Democrats on gun control (Fienstein, but after hearing so many exaggerations it's difficult to remember her actual views) but that issue pales in comparison to EVERY OTHER ISSUE combined.

It's a sound tactic. You only have one vote so if you try to incentiveize more than one position you start losing impact fairly quickly.


I live in Georgia, all my vote does is cancel out my mother's.

Well, my rep is a Democrat, but good luck getting a blue governor or senator.
 
2014-01-27 03:30:36 PM  
both sides are not equally bad

Fark Independents™ and other Devil's Advocate Concern Trolls exempted by Curtis Fiat.
 
2014-01-27 03:41:10 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now.  I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".


In a legislative scenario, it's a lot easier to make accurate determinations in general terms.

The majority party's legislative agenda is usually pretty apparent and is not really up to the individual legislators. You could think a specific candidate is an genuinely nice guy, but if he's a party member, that means if he wins he'll contribute to that party's majority, vote for that party's candidate for Speaker, and probably not break ranks in any significant fashion.

If you're opposed to a party's agenda, you probably shouldn't vote for their partisans, even if you actually like them.
 
2014-01-27 03:43:13 PM  

Target Builder: Lord Dimwit: Oakenshield: Doesn't matter. Gerrymander well enough, and voila. Charles Manson is your state representative.

Congressional districts, in theory, are supposed to be drawn such that people concerned with local issues can speak with a common voice and be represented. My district used to be more-or-less my city plus its suburbs (Austin). Because we kept voting for a Democrat, the state legislature split the city into three different districts. My district now encompasses part of the city, and then proceeds to extend all the way to the outskirts of Houston (but doesn't actually touch Houston because they tend to vote Democratic as well).

I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts. San Antonio was also split, as was Houston and Forth Worth.

On the flip side - in some areas gerrymandering consists of enclosing city votes into solid blue districts that go overwhelmingly D so they can tip the surrounding suburban districts into "Lean R". They make one extremely safe Blue district to create two or more fairly safe Red districts.


Something like that has happened in North Carolina I believe. And having moved up here from Austin, I'm really getting a kick... aw, fark it.
 
2014-01-27 03:47:48 PM  
DrBenway:
Something like that has happened in North Carolina I believe. And having moved up here from Austin, I'm really getting a kick... aw, fark it.

VA farker here.

The state went for Obama in '08 and '12, has a Democrat Governor and two Democrat Senators but somehow, through the wonders of representative democracy, two thirds of the State House of Delegates and almost three quarters of the state's Representatives are Republican.
 
2014-01-27 03:49:17 PM  

qorkfiend: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now.  I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

In a legislative scenario, it's a lot easier to make accurate determinations in general terms.

The majority party's legislative agenda is usually pretty apparent and is not really up to the individual legislators. You could think a specific candidate is an genuinely nice guy, but if he's a party member, that means if he wins he'll contribute to that party's majority, vote for that party's candidate for Speaker, and probably not break ranks in any significant fashion.

If you're opposed to a party's agenda, you probably shouldn't vote for their partisans, even if you actually like them.


You run the risk of becoming narrow-minded, though. And after a while, especially with Republican candidates in our neck of the woods, you start to wonder if you already ARE narrow-minded, since not a single one up for election has made us even remotely consider voting for them.
 
2014-01-27 03:49:30 PM  

qorkfiend: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now.  I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

In a legislative scenario, it's a lot easier to make accurate determinations in general terms.

The majority party's legislative agenda is usually pretty apparent and is not really up to the individual legislators. You could think a specific candidate is an genuinely nice guy, but if he's a party member, that means if he wins he'll contribute to that party's majority, vote for that party's candidate for Speaker, and probably not break ranks in any significant fashion.

If you're opposed to a party's agenda, you probably shouldn't vote for their partisans, even if you actually like them.


I don't....99.9% is the smallest I felt like typing out for 1 republican in the last 3 elections.  In a smallish county in a blue state for a position that doesn't really mean much.  But you're correct, and quite possible never again will I mark that ballot for an R.
 
2014-01-27 03:55:42 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: qorkfiend: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now.  I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

In a legislative scenario, it's a lot easier to make accurate determinations in general terms.

The majority party's legislative agenda is usually pretty apparent and is not really up to the individual legislators. You could think a specific candidate is an genuinely nice guy, but if he's a party member, that means if he wins he'll contribute to that party's majority, vote for that party's candidate for Speaker, and probably not break ranks in any significant fashion.

If you're opposed to a party's agenda, you probably shouldn't vote for their partisans, even if you actually like them.

I don't....99.9% is the smallest I felt like typing out for 1 republican in the last 3 elections.  In a smallish county in a blue state for a position that doesn't really mean much.  But you're correct, and quite possible never again will I mark that ballot for an R.


Sure. I'm just saying you shouldn't feel bad about knee-jerkiness.
 
2014-01-27 03:59:36 PM  
qorkfiend:

Sure. I'm just saying you shouldn't feel bad about knee-jerkiness.

Ah, I misread you, sorry.
 
2014-01-27 03:59:39 PM  

whidbey: both sides are not equally bad

Fark Independents™ and other Devil's Advocate Concern Trolls exempted by Curtis Fiat.


I still hate that term... "Fark Independents"... Republicans who fled the party like rats on a sinking ship due to Bush's horrific policies and reputation aren't independents and never were independents. Republican refugees would have been a better description for them and wouldn't have sullied the term 'independent" for people like myself who have been an independent their whole life.

That being said... The Republican party isn't even worth salvaging anymore. I'd rather they just went away and were replaced by a political party that wants to help and improve the lives of Americans in general. Unfortunately... as long as they keep pandering to racists, bigots, and the religious extremists, they'll have just enough votes to keep digging away at everything that is good about this country.
 
2014-01-27 04:02:01 PM  
According to new poll Americans believe just about anything you put in front of them.
 
2014-01-27 04:05:57 PM  

Pocket Ninja: Which hurts more -- falling from 5 feet or falling from 25?

Before you celebrate being higher in the polls, one should look down and contemplate how far the fall.


Also depends on the acceleration due to gravity.  If it's fast enough, maybe it will be a painless death.
 
2014-01-27 04:06:11 PM  
My parents (may they RIP) were life-long Democrats until the issue of abortion came up, then they switched to the GOP.
Single-issue voters have always been a dynamic among the electorate.
 
2014-01-27 04:08:21 PM  

JohnnyC: whidbey: both sides are not equally bad

Fark Independents™ and other Devil's Advocate Concern Trolls exempted by Curtis Fiat.

I still hate that term... "Fark Independents"... Republicans who fled the party like rats on a sinking ship due to Bush's horrific policies and reputation aren't independents and never were independents. Republican refugees would have been a better description for them and wouldn't have sullied the term 'independent" for people like myself who have been an independent their whole life.


Hence the usual "TM" wink when it's used.
 
2014-01-27 04:09:16 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts. San Antonio was also split, as was Houston and Forth Worth.


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2014-01-27 04:10:12 PM  

Aidan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now. I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

And that's precisely where my husband is, too.


That's where I am.  The Democrats aren't perfect, but they're not trying to actively fark over minorities, women, gays, immigrants, and poor people.  I mean good lord.  It's too bad, really, because I really want the sane people in that party around to represent viewpoints that I am just not calibrated to worry about.  For instance, I am 0% concerned for the well-being of large companies.  They're rich, if I had my way we would be taxing the motherloving hell out of them instead of nickel-and-diming poor people.  At the same time, I'm sure there are legitimate reasons to not do that and people representing those interests should be able to come to the floor so that we can come to a solution that balances each side's needs and concerns in a rational way.  The GOP is theoretically that differing viewpoint, but right now they don't have positions, they have emotions - and that emotion is usually frothy, rabid rage.
 
2014-01-27 04:14:44 PM  

Infernalist: Eddie Adams from Torrance: ...and 48% will continue to vote Republican.

It's only a matter of time, though.  They've lost the youth and people don't magically turn into bigots and xenophobes and religious lunatics just because they pass that magical boundary from 'young' into 'mature.'

It's only a matter of time before the old scared white voter base that the GOP relies upon dies out completely.


I hope you're correct, but I recall reading a couple studies that suggest people do become more conservative as they get older.  If you're interested, I'll see if I can scare up references.

I suspect it's related to the "Janis Joplin" effect.  The more you have (money and power, mostly) the more conservative you will tend to be in defence of that.

Cheers

//Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose
 
2014-01-27 04:15:57 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".

Kind of like Satan's tate?


Did you mean "taint" perhaps?
 
2014-01-27 04:16:09 PM  

shut_it_down: Aidan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now. I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

And that's precisely where my husband is, too.

That's where I am.  The Democrats aren't perfect, but they're not trying to actively fark over minorities, women, gays, immigrants, and poor people.  I mean good lord.  It's too bad, really, because I really want the sane people in that party around to represent viewpoints that I am just not calibrated to worry about.  For instance, I am 0% concerned for the well-being of large companies.  They're rich, if I had my way we would be taxing the motherloving hell out of them instead of nickel-and-diming poor people.  At the same time, I'm sure there are legitimate reasons to not do that and people representing those interests should be able to come to the floor so that we can come to a solution that balances each side's needs and concerns in a rational way.  The GOP is theoretically that differing viewpoint, but right now they don't have positions, they have emotions - and that emotion is usually frothy, rabid rage.


Nicely said.  Better than I did, but it channels what I meant.

Well, there's at least three of us that are "flaming LIBS LIBS LIBS" according to the gop now.

:)

I seem to be in good company.
 
2014-01-27 04:16:17 PM  

physt: Eddie Adams from Torrance: ...and 48% will continue to vote Republican.

There is no cure for stupid.


It's called education. That is why defunding schools is a top Republican priority.
 
2014-01-27 04:18:56 PM  

AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".


Hmm, can I see that in a graph or perhaps a pie chart?
 
2014-01-27 04:19:16 PM  

Brian_of_Nazareth: Infernalist: Eddie Adams from Torrance: ...and 48% will continue to vote Republican.

It's only a matter of time, though.  They've lost the youth and people don't magically turn into bigots and xenophobes and religious lunatics just because they pass that magical boundary from 'young' into 'mature.'

It's only a matter of time before the old scared white voter base that the GOP relies upon dies out completely.

I hope you're correct, but I recall reading a couple studies that suggest people do become more conservative as they get older.  If you're interested, I'll see if I can scare up references.

I suspect it's related to the "Janis Joplin" effect.  The more you have (money and power, mostly) the more conservative you will tend to be in defence of that.

Cheers

//Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose


Don't be too scared...it's a different conservative now.  I'm one of those "conservatives who grew more conservative as I got older" and I'm still a firmly entrenched centrist/right leaning Dem/oh hell naw GOP.

And I'm a registered republican.  (see posts above for reference)

You can become [more] conservative and avoid batshiat insane.  :)
 
2014-01-27 04:19:52 PM  

ristst: All2morrowsparTs: AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".

Kind of like Satan's tate?

Did you mean "taint" perhaps?


"Satan's Tater" could be a band name.
 
2014-01-27 04:26:10 PM  

coyo: physt: Eddie Adams from Torrance: ...and 48% will continue to vote Republican.

There is no cure for stupid.

It's called education. That is why defunding schools is a top Republican priority.


I stand corrected.
 
2014-01-27 04:26:30 PM  

Cuthbert Allgood: AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".

Hmm, can I see that in a graph or perhaps a pie chart?


*
 
2014-01-27 04:30:37 PM  

DrBenway: Hence the usual "TM" wink when it's used.


Yeah yeah... Still annoys me.
 
2014-01-27 04:36:11 PM  

Jackson Herring: Cuthbert Allgood: AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".

Hmm, can I see that in a graph or perhaps a pie chart?

*


That pie chart looks a little uptight... I think you need to massage the data a bit.
 
2014-01-27 04:37:52 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Dr Dreidel: Satan's Bunny Slippers: So. Much. This. I've never ever understood the "straight party voter" either. I disagree with Dems on things to a varying degree, but I disagree with Repubs on pretty much every damn thing that's come out of their mouths for the last 12 years or so.

If we voted on issues rather than candidates, I suspect most people would fall close to "the middle". Because we vote on candidates, and many of them (even in Congressional races) are unknowns, we use the party's politics as a proxy for the candidate's beliefs.

Perhaps if more Republicans were willing to publicly repudiate the "Two dollars bad; four (billion) dollars good!" and "Only white is alright" planks from the platform - or call out the behavior when they see it - we would stop associating them with their fringe element. It becomes harder to do that when the Democratic version of "the fringe" is someone who wants to make firearms harder to buy and thinks taxes on the highest incomes could stand to be around 60%.

Indeed.  I'm very much issue oriented and tried to stay abreast of candidates' views on things that were important to me but as recently as 16 years ago, I could probably be swayed to vote for someone I was not familiar with by checking out which party they were with. I'm much more likely to do so today.  If anything, the last 6 years have turned me into a much more informed voter. I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now.  I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

I'm truly that disgusted by the "politics" of them right now.


Get out of my head.
 
2014-01-27 04:38:05 PM  
It only looks like that because the poll takers were biased.  If you unskew the statisticals and study it out, it clearly shows that Republicans are much more popular.  The problem is just messaging.  If only voters heard our REAL views, then they would love them.
 
2014-01-27 04:38:32 PM  

keylock71: Jackson Herring: Cuthbert Allgood: AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".

Hmm, can I see that in a graph or perhaps a pie chart?

*

That pie chart looks a little uptight... I think you need to massage the data a bit.


Are we going for "o", "0" or "O"?

// or "O"?
 
2014-01-27 04:38:41 PM  

Target Builder: DrBenway:
Something like that has happened in North Carolina I believe. And having moved up here from Austin, I'm really getting a kick... aw, fark it.

VA farker here.

The state went for Obama in '08 and '12, has a Democrat Governor and two Democrat Senators but somehow, through the wonders of representative democracy, two thirds of the State House of Delegates and almost three quarters of the state's Representatives are Republican.


Fixed for consistency.
 
2014-01-27 04:39:37 PM  

Dr Dreidel: keylock71: Jackson Herring: Cuthbert Allgood: AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".

Hmm, can I see that in a graph or perhaps a pie chart?

*

That pie chart looks a little uptight... I think you need to massage the data a bit.

Are we going for "o", "0" or "O"?

// or "O"?


C

We're going to need sutures...
 
2014-01-27 04:46:51 PM  

shut_it_down: Aidan: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I don't want to necessarily knee jerk into "you're a republican so fark you NO", but that's kind of where I am right now. I voted 99.9% Democrat the past 3 elections, although that's not my registry, because I AM at the point of "you're republican? well fark you, your party, the horses you rode in on, and your mom twice".

And that's precisely where my husband is, too.

That's where I am.  The Democrats aren't perfect, but they're not trying to actively fark over minorities, women, gays, immigrants, and poor people.  I mean good lord.  It's too bad, really, because I really want the sane people in that party around to represent viewpoints that I am just not calibrated to worry about.  For instance, I am 0% concerned for the well-being of large companies.  They're rich, if I had my way we would be taxing the motherloving hell out of them instead of nickel-and-diming poor people.  At the same time, I'm sure there are legitimate reasons to not do that and people representing those interests should be able to come to the floor so that we can come to a solution that balances each side's needs and concerns in a rational way.  The GOP is theoretically that differing viewpoint, but right now they don't have positions, they have emotions - and that emotion is usually frothy, rabid rage.


Yep, this is me, as well. I've been an Independent all my life, but the last time I voted for a Republican was more than a decade ago for similar reasons.
 
2014-01-27 04:50:30 PM  

shut_it_down: For instance, I am 0% concerned for the well-being of large companies.


You should reconsider; after all, companies do help facilitate job creation, so I'd think they'd deserve a little more concern than that.

Perhaps you could all it 1%?
 
2014-01-27 05:04:21 PM  
Gerrymandering seems to be the linchpin for the GOP now. The next time the Democrats get a turn at drawing the lines, the wheels come off. And good riddance.

/unless of course the Democrats try to play fair rather than going for the kill
 
2014-01-27 05:05:30 PM  

Isitoveryet: the GOP 3 point plan to address jobs, the economy and get America back on track again;

1.  ban same-sex marriage
2.  ban abortion
3.  repeal Obamacare
4.  anti voter-fraud legislation


these 5 main principles will ensure America remains #1 both economically & militarily for years to come or until Jesus returns upon his velocipede & smites the poor and/or brown people of earth.


/VOTE GOP!


I know people who honestly believe that if we ban abortion nationally, outlaw homosexuality entirely, and "put God back in our schools", God will bless America and the economy will prosper.
 
2014-01-27 05:09:21 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts. San Antonio was also split, as was Houston and Forth Worth.


Because Jesus and reasons. God, you dumb libulardos are all the same.
 
2014-01-27 05:09:58 PM  

qorkfiend: One could argue that appeasement in 1938 was a full-on recognition of the objective reality that the United Kingdom and France weren't ready for an all-out mechanized war with Nazi Germany and that they had to buy as much time as they could to mobilize their own militaries.


No, one couldn't.  Chamberlain's personal letters all indicate that he honestly believed that if he was nice enough to Hitler, Germany would (a) act as a buffer between the USSR and western Europe and (b) become allies with the UK.
 
2014-01-27 05:24:23 PM  

JohnnyC: whidbey: both sides are not equally bad

Fark Independents™ and other Devil's Advocate Concern Trolls exempted by Curtis Fiat.

I still hate that term... "Fark Independents"... Republicans who fled the party like rats on a sinking ship due to Bush's horrific policies and reputation aren't independents and never were independents. Republican refugees would have been a better description for them and wouldn't have sullied the term 'independent" for people like myself who have been an independent their whole life.

That being said... The Republican party isn't even worth salvaging anymore. I'd rather they just went away and were replaced by a political party that wants to help and improve the lives of Americans in general. Unfortunately... as long as they keep pandering to racists, bigots, and the religious extremists, they'll have just enough votes to keep digging away at everything that is good about this country.


Then I would suggest in the mean time to support the Democratic Party and condemn social conservatives. There is no magical 3rd party at this time, and the Democratic Party has all the resources we need.

Apathy is the real problem here, and acting in good faith assumption that the people we elect are just going to do shiat for us. Even Obama reminded the voters that we have a responsibility. Take a look at all the policy shifts and changes in the past 5 years and it's because the loudest voice demanded changes. Granted, we have lobbyists and big $$$ countering that, but it's obvious that they have the traction because the people aren't becoming involved enough.

But I suspect you know that, and I'm not trying to make a lecture out of it . I just have a feeling that you're probably going to poo-poo the "support the Dems" suggestion. ;)
 
2014-01-27 05:41:15 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: Gerrymandering seems to be the linchpin for the GOP now. The next time the Democrats get a turn at drawing the lines, the wheels come off. And good riddance.

/unless of course the Democrats try to play fair rather than going for the kill


I think that if the Democrats play fair, then the kill happens in the election.  Republicans can only sustain their advantage by gerrymandering.  With Democrats getting a majority of house votes in 2012, you only have to reset districting to "neutral" for the Democrats to win.
 
2014-01-27 05:42:35 PM  
Liberal economic policy is better for businesses.

This is easy to debate in a long form argument.... but it is hard to state in a 30 second commercial, or a 2 minute broadcast news interview......

If we can figure out how to distill our economic policies into a conversation short enough for most Americans to pay attention to, it can/will be the killing blow for the GOP.

/As things are, it's sick that they are still more trusted with the economy.
 
2014-01-27 05:50:18 PM  

Infernalist: It's only a matter of time, though.  They've lost the youth and people don't magically turn into bigots and xenophobes and religious lunatics just because they pass that magical boundary from 'young' into 'mature.'


You'd be surprised about that one. I'm 49, I've seen quite a few people make the change, especially since FB came along and I'm hearing from people I knew 30 years ago. It's like watching a sci-fi Body Snatchers movie, I'll see someone from the past and say "Oh noes, they got Joe too!" Examples from my high school, via FB:

One woman is all "drug-test those welfare bums". I used to smoke weed with her all the time, and she sold it too.
One guy was super bright but cool, I think he graduated 2 years early. He's a surgeon who posts crazy stuff from WND and worse.
One woman is "Family values" right wing Jebus. I slept with her, and I wasn't that popular, I think we all did at some point.
2 of the guys that were badboys/drugs are cops. One of them is in prison for brutality to prisoners, he was Mr. Laid back stoner in the day. The other was body-snatched, I ran into him as an adult. He's literally a different personality, they stuck a badge on him and he went from Cheech and Chong to that Sgt. in "Full Metal Jacket" overnite.

People change.
 
2014-01-27 06:09:03 PM  

Musikslayer: Infernalist: It's only a matter of time, though.  They've lost the youth and people don't magically turn into bigots and xenophobes and religious lunatics just because they pass that magical boundary from 'young' into 'mature.'

You'd be surprised about that one. I'm 49, I've seen quite a few people make the change, especially since FB came along and I'm hearing from people I knew 30 years ago. It's like watching a sci-fi Body Snatchers movie, I'll see someone from the past and say "Oh noes, they got Joe too!" Examples from my high school, via FB:

One woman is all "drug-test those welfare bums". I used to smoke weed with her all the time, and she sold it too.
One guy was super bright but cool, I think he graduated 2 years early. He's a surgeon who posts crazy stuff from WND and worse.
One woman is "Family values" right wing Jebus. I slept with her, and I wasn't that popular, I think we all did at some point.
2 of the guys that were badboys/drugs are cops. One of them is in prison for brutality to prisoners, he was Mr. Laid back stoner in the day. The other was body-snatched, I ran into him as an adult. He's literally a different personality, they stuck a badge on him and he went from Cheech and Chong to that Sgt. in "Full Metal Jacket" overnite.

People change.



I'm 35 and have seen the same thing happen..... to some extent. I am amazed that the "Baby Boomers" went from believing in hippy "Free-love" "share-the-world" things, to the "vulture-capitalism" beliefs that they have come to epitomize. I'm "gen-X" and my generation used to believe in living in a "non-consumerism" society that could support everyone..... and now they believe in getting cheap deals from slave labor by shopping at Walmart.


/People changing sucks. Our youth are more motivated to be planning for the future of our society..... and they've been getting it right for years.
 
2014-01-27 06:30:19 PM  

Musikslayer: Infernalist: It's only a matter of time, though.  They've lost the youth and people don't magically turn into bigots and xenophobes and religious lunatics just because they pass that magical boundary from 'young' into 'mature.'

You'd be surprised about that one. I'm 49, I've seen quite a few people make the change, especially since FB came along and I'm hearing from people I knew 30 years ago. It's like watching a sci-fi Body Snatchers movie, I'll see someone from the past and say "Oh noes, they got Joe too!" Examples from my high school, via FB:

One woman is all "drug-test those welfare bums". I used to smoke weed with her all the time, and she sold it too.
One guy was super bright but cool, I think he graduated 2 years early. He's a surgeon who posts crazy stuff from WND and worse.
One woman is "Family values" right wing Jebus. I slept with her, and I wasn't that popular, I think we all did at some point.
2 of the guys that were badboys/drugs are cops. One of them is in prison for brutality to prisoners, he was Mr. Laid back stoner in the day. The other was body-snatched, I ran into him as an adult. He's literally a different personality, they stuck a badge on him and he went from Cheech and Chong to that Sgt. in "Full Metal Jacket" overnite.

People change.


I don't doubt that 'some' young folk will go stupid when they get older, but they won't be a majority.
 
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