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2014-01-27 02:24:17 PM  
Obviously "Didn't I tell you to stay in the car" is needed here by the Republican leadership.
 
2014-01-27 02:26:01 PM  
Hmmm..I think another bill banning Obamacare and abortions will fix this image problem.
 
2014-01-27 02:39:05 PM  
Which hurts more -- falling from 5 feet or falling from 25?

Before you celebrate being higher in the polls, one should look down and contemplate how far the fall.
 
2014-01-27 02:39:07 PM  
but

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2014-01-27 02:41:40 PM  
I'm a democratic voter, but only 30% of the country says democrats are influenced by lobbyists and special interests?

70% of Americans are utter morons.  More if any of the 48% that don't see republicans as being influenced by lobbyists aren't in that 70%.

Lobbyists are a poison with measurable influence, and denying that is denying objective reality.
 
2014-01-27 02:41:58 PM  
But the GOP will always have wedge issues. I know plenty of people who disagree with 99% of the GOP's platform, but vote Republican anyway because of (a) same-sex marriage, (b) abortion, (c) evolution in schools, (d) something something "Christians are oppressed" something.

I'm not saying they're wrong to do so - if abortion and/or same-sex marriage is 100 times more important than the other issues put together, then that's a reasonable vote. I personally think it's pretty damn stupid, but that's how it goes. Wedge issues are powerful for precisely that reason.
 
2014-01-27 02:43:35 PM  

ikanreed: I'm a democratic voter, but only 30% of the country says democrats are influenced by lobbyists and special interests?

70% of Americans are utter morons.  More if any of the 48% that don't see republicans as being influenced by lobbyists aren't in that 70%.

Lobbyists are a poison with measurable influence, and denying that is denying objective reality.


Only 30% thought Democrats were "more influenced by lobbyists than Republicans". It's an important distinction. I don't think anyone thinks lobbyists aren't a huge problem, except lobbyists.
 
2014-01-27 02:44:29 PM  

ikanreed: I'm a democratic voter, but only 30% of the country says democrats are influenced by lobbyists and special interests?

70% of Americans are utter morons.  More if any of the 48% that don't see republicans as being influenced by lobbyists aren't in that 70%.

Lobbyists are a poison with measurable influence, and denying that is denying objective reality.


I think the question was who was more influenced by lobbyists, Dems or the GOP.
 
2014-01-27 02:45:09 PM  

ikanreed: denying that is denying objective reality.


If denying objective reality were an Olympic sport, America would win every medal, at every Olympics (except maybe '36, where the UK's Neville Chamberlain snuck in a surprise upset).
 
2014-01-27 02:45:58 PM  

Lord Dimwit: ikanreed: I'm a democratic voter, but only 30% of the country says democrats are influenced by lobbyists and special interests?

70% of Americans are utter morons.  More if any of the 48% that don't see republicans as being influenced by lobbyists aren't in that 70%.

Lobbyists are a poison with measurable influence, and denying that is denying objective reality.

Only 30% thought Democrats were "more influenced by lobbyists than Republicans". It's an important distinction. I don't think anyone thinks lobbyists aren't a huge problem, except lobbyists.


Honestly, if the lord of the dimwits can see this so clearly... just how dumb are your average Republican voters?
 
2014-01-27 02:48:04 PM  
The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".
 
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2014-01-27 02:48:54 PM  

ikanreed: I'm a democratic voter, but only 30% of the country says democrats are influenced by lobbyists and special interests?

70% of Americans are utter morons.  More if any of the 48% that don't see republicans as being influenced by lobbyists aren't in that 70%.

Lobbyists are a poison with measurable influence, and denying that is denying objective reality.


I suspect the average person understands that as "totally owned by lobbyists".
 
2014-01-27 02:49:58 PM  
the GOP 3 point plan to address jobs, the economy and get America back on track again;

1.  ban same-sex marriage
2.  ban abortion
3.  repeal Obamacare
4.  anti voter-fraud legislation


these 5 main principles will ensure America remains #1 both economically & militarily for years to come or until Jesus returns upon his velocipede & smites the poor and/or brown people of earth.


/VOTE GOP!
 
2014-01-27 02:50:30 PM  
We're Mussolini and not Hitler. That should be good enough for anyone!
 
2014-01-27 02:50:50 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: ikanreed: denying that is denying objective reality.

If denying objective reality were an Olympic sport, America would win every medal, at every Olympics (except maybe '36, where the UK's Neville Chamberlain snuck in a surprise upset).


One could argue that appeasement in 1938 was a full-on recognition of the objective reality that the United Kingdom and France weren't ready for an all-out mechanized war with Nazi Germany and that they had to buy as much time as they could to mobilize their own militaries.
 
2014-01-27 02:53:14 PM  

Lord Dimwit: But the GOP will always have wedge issues. I know plenty of people who disagree with 99% of the GOP's platform, but vote Republican anyway because of (a) same-sex marriage, (b) abortion, (c) evolution in schools, (d) something something "Christians are oppressed" something.

I'm not saying they're wrong to do so - if abortion and/or same-sex marriage is 100 times more important than the other issues put together, then that's a reasonable vote. I personally think it's pretty damn stupid, but that's how it goes. Wedge issues are powerful for precisely that reason.


I understand it, but it still seems strange to me. I disagree with some Democrats on gun control (Fienstein, but after hearing so many exaggerations it's difficult to remember her actual views) but that issue pales in comparison to EVERY OTHER ISSUE combined.
 
2014-01-27 02:53:29 PM  
B-b-but....WaPo and its liberal bias!!!!1!!1!
 
2014-01-27 02:54:59 PM  

Isitoveryet: the GOP 3 point plan to address jobs, the economy and get America back on track again;

1.  ban same-sex marriage
2.  ban abortion
3.  repeal Obamacare
4.  anti voter-fraud legislation


these 5 main principles will ensure America remains #1 both economically & militarily for years to come or until Jesus returns upon his velocipede & smites the poor and/or brown people of earth.


/VOTE GOP!


GOP MathTM, it's math that makes you feel better!
 
2014-01-27 02:57:15 PM  
Now if only those people came out and vote things would change rapidly.
 
2014-01-27 02:58:45 PM  

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2014-01-27 03:00:09 PM  

ikanreed: I'm a democratic voter, but only 30% of the country says democrats are influenced by lobbyists and special interests?


Your name is pretty ironic since that is not what the article actually said.
 
2014-01-27 03:00:59 PM  
It's amazing (and quite sad) that a slim majority of people still believe the GOP would better get the economy on track.

We got into this damn mess because of their 1%er fellating BS, and their steadfast refusal to allow Obama and the Democrats to pass any meaningful job and relief bills is what's keeping us in it.

Trickle down is a lie. You can't stimulate the economy with austerity. Stop believing the 'fiscal conservative' lies, they're just as bad as the racist, sexist, homophobic, intolerant crap that the party spews.
 
2014-01-27 03:03:03 PM  
keep going to the right, GOPers, eventually you'll find the rest of Real America there waiting for you.
 
2014-01-27 03:04:51 PM  

ikanreed: I'm a democratic voter, but only 30% of the country says democrats are influenced by lobbyists and special interests?

70% of Americans are utter morons.  More if any of the 48% that don't see republicans as being influenced by lobbyists aren't in that 70%.

Lobbyists are a poison with measurable influence, and denying that is denying objective reality.


Maybe you kan reed, but you kan't comprehend.

"a plurality says Republicans are more influenced by lobbyists and special interests (47% vs. 30% saying Democrats)."
 
2014-01-27 03:05:16 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Lord Dimwit: But the GOP will always have wedge issues. I know plenty of people who disagree with 99% of the GOP's platform, but vote Republican anyway because of (a) same-sex marriage, (b) abortion, (c) evolution in schools, (d) something something "Christians are oppressed" something.

I'm not saying they're wrong to do so - if abortion and/or same-sex marriage is 100 times more important than the other issues put together, then that's a reasonable vote. I personally think it's pretty damn stupid, but that's how it goes. Wedge issues are powerful for precisely that reason.

I understand it, but it still seems strange to me. I disagree with some Democrats on gun control (Fienstein, but after hearing so many exaggerations it's difficult to remember her actual views) but that issue pales in comparison to EVERY OTHER ISSUE combined.


So. Much. This.  I've never ever understood the "straight party voter" either.  I disagree with Dems on things to a varying degree, but I disagree with Repubs on pretty much every damn thing that's come out of their mouths for the last 12 years or so.
 
2014-01-27 03:05:59 PM  

Isitoveryet: until Jesus returns upon his velocipede velociraptor


FTFY
 
2014-01-27 03:06:14 PM  
Thanks for the correction everyone.  Yeah, republicans are more influenced by lobbyists.  My mistake.
 
2014-01-27 03:06:38 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: It's amazing (and quite sad) that a slim majority of people still believe the GOP would better get the economy on track.

We got into this damn mess because of their 1%er fellating BS, and their steadfast refusal to allow Obama and the Democrats to pass any meaningful job and relief bills is what's keeping us in it.

Trickle down is a lie. You can't stimulate the economy with austerity. Stop believing the 'fiscal conservative' lies, they're just as bad as the racist, sexist, homophobic, intolerant crap that the party spews.


Considering that nearly 100% of the media is in the pocket of the 1%, it's amazing that a majority have seen through the BSABSVR bullshiat and correctly blame the GOP for the mess we're in.
 
2014-01-27 03:06:39 PM  
Both sides are differently bad.
 
2014-01-27 03:06:43 PM  

UncomfortableSilence: Isitoveryet: the GOP 3 point plan to address jobs, the economy and get America back on track again;

1.  ban same-sex marriage
2.  ban abortion
3.  repeal Obamacare
4.  anti voter-fraud legislation


these 5 main principles will ensure America remains #1 both economically & militarily for years to come or until Jesus returns upon his velocipede & smites the poor and/or brown people of earth.


/VOTE GOP!

GOP MathTM, it's math that makes you feel better!


Math: Not even once.
 
2014-01-27 03:07:03 PM  

what_now: Hmmm..I think another bill banning Obamacare and abortions will fix this image problem.


They've got to work on getting their message across. That's the problem. Needs more PAC $$$$$.
 
2014-01-27 03:08:05 PM  
Doesn't matter. Gerrymander well enough, and voila. Charles Manson is your state representative.
 
2014-01-27 03:08:39 PM  
cdn-www.i-am-bored.com
 
2014-01-27 03:09:32 PM  

Oakenshield: Doesn't matter. Gerrymander well enough, and voila. Charles Manson is your state representative.


Still better than Louie Gohmert
 
2014-01-27 03:12:16 PM  

DesertCoyote: B-b-but....WaPo and its liberal bias!!!!1!!1!


It was a Pew poll. "Pew Research" were literally the first two words of the article.
 
2014-01-27 03:12:25 PM  

Infernalist: TuteTibiImperes: It's amazing (and quite sad) that a slim majority of people still believe the GOP would better get the economy on track.

We got into this damn mess because of their 1%er fellating BS, and their steadfast refusal to allow Obama and the Democrats to pass any meaningful job and relief bills is what's keeping us in it.

Trickle down is a lie. You can't stimulate the economy with austerity. Stop believing the 'fiscal conservative' lies, they're just as bad as the racist, sexist, homophobic, intolerant crap that the party spews.

Considering that nearly 100% of the media is in the pocket of the 1%, it's amazing that a majority have seen through the BSABSVR bullshiat and correctly blame the GOP for the mess we're in.


B..b..but the Liebrul Mainstream Media!! I know it's real and not crackpot crap since I heard it on Fox News, Rush and TheBlaze, which although leading in every measure of viewership/readership are somehow magically most definitely not the mainstream media! Libruls!! Derp!!
 
2014-01-27 03:12:26 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: So. Much. This. I've never ever understood the "straight party voter" either. I disagree with Dems on things to a varying degree, but I disagree with Repubs on pretty much every damn thing that's come out of their mouths for the last 12 years or so.


If we voted on issues rather than candidates, I suspect most people would fall close to "the middle". Because we vote on candidates, and many of them (even in Congressional races) are unknowns, we use the party's politics as a proxy for the candidate's beliefs.

Perhaps if more Republicans were willing to publicly repudiate the "Two dollars bad; four (billion) dollars good!" and "Only white is alright" planks from the platform - or call out the behavior when they see it - we would stop associating them with their fringe element. It becomes harder to do that when the Democratic version of "the fringe" is someone who wants to make firearms harder to buy and thinks taxes on the highest incomes could stand to be around 60%.
 
2014-01-27 03:12:31 PM  

Oakenshield: Doesn't matter. Gerrymander well enough, and voila. Charles Manson is your state representative.


Hopefully in the next couple of election cycles we see the tipping point where gerrymandering turns from a solid majority to a closely contested landslide defeat.  You can only distribute so many "enemy" votes among the "home team" before they begin to overwhelm the point behind gerrymandering in the first place.
 
2014-01-27 03:13:31 PM  
Democrats are  bad in many ways. Corrupt and incompetent in a lot of places.

But Republicans/Conservatives are actively trying to drag this country down to their level. A level of anti-science, pro-bigot and anti-common sense hypocrisy that the world is not even truly aware of. Much less how dangerous it is.

What really bothers me is that they are doing it all on their own. They want it. There is no direct outside influence for this like you see in the Ukraine right now where the government is obviously pressured/supported by Russia. And it's occurring in many Western nations. This strain of politics based purely on hatred and manufactured controversy. Canada, Australia, the UK and so on.


Think Taliban. But educated(not smart, educated), incredibly wealthy and with the vast bulk of the world's military power within their sphere of influence. This is reality.
 
2014-01-27 03:14:53 PM  

Oakenshield: Doesn't matter. Gerrymander well enough, and voila. Charles Manson is your state representative.


Congressional districts, in theory, are supposed to be drawn such that people concerned with local issues can speak with a common voice and be represented. My district used to be more-or-less my city plus its suburbs (Austin). Because we kept voting for a Democrat, the state legislature split the city into three different districts. My district now encompasses part of the city, and then proceeds to extend all the way to the outskirts of Houston (but doesn't actually touch Houston because they tend to vote Democratic as well).

Here's what I'm talking about:

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I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts. San Antonio was also split, as was Houston and Forth Worth.
 
2014-01-27 03:15:37 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: It's amazing (and quite sad) that a slim majority of people still believe the GOP would better get the economy on track.

We got into this damn mess because of their 1%er fellating BS, and their steadfast refusal to allow Obama and the Democrats to pass any meaningful job and relief bills is what's keeping us in it.

Trickle down is a lie. You can't stimulate the economy with austerity. Stop believing the 'fiscal conservative' lies, they're just as bad as the racist, sexist, homophobic, intolerant crap that the party spews.


Military spending over infrastructure spending is the GOP way. Remember when Obama wanted to fire up the "shovel ready projects" to get some jobs on the ground here and that became a GOP punchline.
 
2014-01-27 03:16:41 PM  
...and 48% will continue to vote Republican.
 
2014-01-27 03:17:58 PM  

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Lord Dimwit: But the GOP will always have wedge issues. I know plenty of people who disagree with 99% of the GOP's platform, but vote Republican anyway because of (a) same-sex marriage, (b) abortion, (c) evolution in schools, (d) something something "Christians are oppressed" something.

I'm not saying they're wrong to do so - if abortion and/or same-sex marriage is 100 times more important than the other issues put together, then that's a reasonable vote. I personally think it's pretty damn stupid, but that's how it goes. Wedge issues are powerful for precisely that reason.

I understand it, but it still seems strange to me. I disagree with some Democrats on gun control (Fienstein, but after hearing so many exaggerations it's difficult to remember her actual views) but that issue pales in comparison to EVERY OTHER ISSUE combined.


It's a sound tactic. You only have one vote so if you try to incentiveize more than one position you start losing impact fairly quickly.
 
2014-01-27 03:18:32 PM  
When I hear republicans speak I think "Good god, that is dumb and/or corrupt." When I hear democrats speak I think "I voted for this?"

So yeah there is a difference.
 
2014-01-27 03:18:38 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: ...and 48% will continue to vote Republican.


There is no cure for stupid.
 
2014-01-27 03:18:42 PM  
My husband's charming father engaged us all in an endless tirade about how "compromise" on ANY issue was akin to the compromise about slavery that led to the Civil War, or some such utterly convoluted nonsense. He not only doesn't recognize obstructionism, but applauds it. SLAVERY! Guess which channel is on at his house 24/7.

But then you have people like his wife or my mother, who are lifelong Republicans in their 70s who still think that voting Republican is voting for the party as it existed in Eisenhower's day. They will say that they're fed up with obstructionism. They even go so far as to declare specific members of the Republican party as whackadoodle troublemakers, but they just can't get past the idea that the party as a whole is the party of their youth, despite all evidence to the contrary. They're a big reason why a poll like this can exist and Republicans can still hold a majority in the House.

The younger people in our family who vote Republican are either wealthy and want taxes as low as possible so they can buy yet more expensive toys, or are poor but rabid fundamentalist Christians issue-voting about abortion.  Again, they may honestly believe their party is largely responsible for the government meltdown, but they won't vote against the one party that supports their personal interests.

YMMV, but that sums up the Republican Party in our neck of the woods and, I'm sad to say, the irrelevancy of a poll like this.
 
2014-01-27 03:18:59 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: ...and 48% will continue to vote Republican.


It's only a matter of time, though.  They've lost the youth and people don't magically turn into bigots and xenophobes and religious lunatics just because they pass that magical boundary from 'young' into 'mature.'

It's only a matter of time before the old scared white voter base that the GOP relies upon dies out completely.
 
2014-01-27 03:20:13 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Oakenshield: Doesn't matter. Gerrymander well enough, and voila. Charles Manson is your state representative.

Congressional districts, in theory, are supposed to be drawn such that people concerned with local issues can speak with a common voice and be represented. My district used to be more-or-less my city plus its suburbs (Austin). Because we kept voting for a Democrat, the state legislature split the city into three different districts. My district now encompasses part of the city, and then proceeds to extend all the way to the outskirts of Houston (but doesn't actually touch Houston because they tend to vote Democratic as well).

I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts. San Antonio was also split, as was Houston and Forth Worth.


On the flip side - in some areas gerrymandering consists of enclosing city votes into solid blue districts that go overwhelmingly D so they can tip the surrounding suburban districts into "Lean R". They make one extremely safe Blue district to create two or more fairly safe Red districts.
 
2014-01-27 03:21:24 PM  

AeAe: The Democrats aren't perfect, but the Republicans are much closer to "Satan's asshole".


Kind of like Satan's tate?
 
2014-01-27 03:21:40 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Oakenshield: Doesn't matter. Gerrymander well enough, and voila. Charles Manson is your state representative.

Congressional districts, in theory, are supposed to be drawn such that people concerned with local issues can speak with a common voice and be represented. My district used to be more-or-less my city plus its suburbs (Austin). Because we kept voting for a Democrat, the state legislature split the city into three different districts. My district now encompasses part of the city, and then proceeds to extend all the way to the outskirts of Houston (but doesn't actually touch Houston because they tend to vote Democratic as well).

Here's what I'm talking about:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x445]

I have yet to hear a non-partisan reason as to why a single city needed to be split into three different Congressional districts. San Antonio was also split, as was Houston and Forth Worth.


A map has never pissed me off so much before, thanks for that.
 
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