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(NewsMax)   The Catholic League reassures us that just because Pope Francis is concerned about income inequality like noted socialists Barack Obama and Bill de Blasio, only Pope Francis is right about it and the other two are totally wrong   (newsmax.com) divider line 131
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2014-01-27 01:41:27 PM  
*headdesk* Obama is not a goddamn socialist, you morons. Social inequality is not a left or right issue. Everyone suffers from income inequality because the economy is stagnant. If you bothered to pull your heads out of your asses and stop making this a political issue, you'd see that we need to do something now so we can all benefit.
 
2014-01-27 02:06:20 PM  
"Obama and de Blasio exemplify Schoeck's concern. Both of them are consumed with tapping into a debased appetite for envy, driving a wedge between the classes. "


I had to stop reading there. The wedge between the classes is a real thing, driven by the fact that the rich are SO incredibly rich, and seem to delight in torturing the poor, going so far as to act as if a minimum wage increase will cripple companies with record profits... and CEOs that make hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
 
2014-01-27 02:07:08 PM  
Also, wanting to be able to live decently and afford things like food, health care, and electricity isn't envy, it's realistic.
 
2014-01-27 02:12:54 PM  

serpent_sky: Also, wanting to be able to live decently and afford things like food, health care, and electricity isn't envy, it's realistic.


They are using a greed argument against the poor?  That's some pretty advanced douche-baggery.
 
2014-01-27 02:14:33 PM  
The Catholic League's farm system is a joke
 
2014-01-27 02:22:24 PM  

mrshowrules: serpent_sky: Also, wanting to be able to live decently and afford things like food, health care, and electricity isn't envy, it's realistic.

They are using a greed argument against the poor?  That's some pretty advanced douche-baggery.


I think Catholic League really only likes Republican Jesus.  And we know how he feels about the poor.
 
2014-01-27 02:45:23 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke


As is their embrace of the Designated Hitter.
 
2014-01-27 03:12:41 PM  
Who the hell takes the Catholic League seriously?

Oh... Newsmax...
 
2014-01-27 03:18:32 PM  

somedude210: *headdesk* Obama is not a goddamn socialist, you morons. Social inequality is not a left or right issue. Everyone suffers from income inequality because the economy is stagnant. If you bothered to pull your heads out of your asses and stop making this a political issue, you'd see that we need to do something now so we can all benefit.


Yeah, even incredibly rich people are worried about it.  The people that aren't worried are people like the Kochs who need social validation that the billions they inherited is money they deserve.  They need to know they're that much better.
 
2014-01-27 03:20:33 PM  
You want the right thing but for the wrong reasons, so I reject you.

You want the wrong thing but for the right reasons, so I embrace you.
 
2014-01-27 03:21:07 PM  

somedude210: Social inequality is not a left or right issue.


According to Wikipedia at least it's the definitional difference between right wing and left wing politics.
 
2014-01-27 03:21:25 PM  

serpent_sky: "Obama and de Blasio exemplify Schoeck's concern. Both of them are consumed with tapping into a debased appetite for envy, driving a wedge between the classes. "


I had to stop reading there. The wedge between the classes is a real thing, driven by the fact that the rich are SO incredibly rich, and seem to delight in torturing the poor, going so far as to act as if a minimum wage increase will cripple companies with record profits... and CEOs that make hundreds of thousands, if not millions.


I always get a kick out of the right getting upset at perceived class warfare from the left, right before they deride poor people of being Cadillac Queens.
 
2014-01-27 03:22:30 PM  
Isn't the Catholic League one guy and a fax machine?
 
2014-01-27 03:22:48 PM  

Mrtraveler01: serpent_sky: "Obama and de Blasio exemplify Schoeck's concern. Both of them are consumed with tapping into a debased appetite for envy, driving a wedge between the classes. "


I had to stop reading there. The wedge between the classes is a real thing, driven by the fact that the rich are SO incredibly rich, and seem to delight in torturing the poor, going so far as to act as if a minimum wage increase will cripple companies with record profits... and CEOs that make hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

I always get a kick out of the right getting upset at perceived class warfare from the left, right before they deride poor people of being Cadillac Queens.


I meant "Cadillac Welfare Queens"
 
2014-01-27 03:23:15 PM  
The old fashioned CC has always supported the 1%.  Rich people donate more, after all.
 
2014-01-27 03:23:38 PM  
For the thousandth time, we don't 'envy' the wealthy.  We want them to stop hurting everyone with their greed.
 
2014-01-27 03:24:15 PM  
rlv.zcache.ca
 
2014-01-27 03:24:45 PM  

serpent_sky: Also, wanting to be able to live decently and afford things like food, health care, and electricity isn't envy, it's realistic.


The rich think that not only should the rest of the world suffer, but that God made it that way so that the rich can feel superior over everyone else.
 
2014-01-27 03:24:51 PM  
This article was written for Bill Donohue and Bill Donohue only. He's doing his best to rationalize his belief in the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church and its new leader with his beliefs in the true righteousness of free market economics.
 
2014-01-27 03:25:58 PM  

jigger: somedude210: Social inequality is not a left or right issue.

According to Wikipedia at least it's the definitional difference between right wing and left wing politics.


In theory, maybe, but it adversely affects both left and right.
 
2014-01-27 03:26:35 PM  
Unbridled capitalism is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:36 PM  
This Pope has wealthy Catholics absolutely shiatting themselves.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:56 PM  
I see Newsvax has some sand in there about something again we should care about.
 
2014-01-27 03:28:58 PM  
My favorite thing about the Catholic League is how completely out of touch they are with actual American Catholics.

It's like if Jews for Jesus were the spokespeople for all American Jews.
 
2014-01-27 03:29:01 PM  

s2s2s2: [rlv.zcache.ca image 324x324]


It has zero to do with morality. Even the coldest-hearted utilitarian could tell you that large-scale wealth inequality is a common catalyst for political and social instability, and that's objectively bad for society.

/although the GOP's stand on poverty/wealth is pretty morally reprehensible
//so....good point?
 
2014-01-27 03:30:11 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-27 03:30:54 PM  
I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.
 
2014-01-27 03:30:56 PM  
I imagine the Catholic League's grudging acceptance of the Pope's position is based not on the fact that he's the Pope, but that he is largely powerless to affect change, so there's no harm. Obama and DeBlasio, on the other hand, are actually in positions to act on their belief, and we can't have that.
 
2014-01-27 03:34:00 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke

As is their embrace of the Designated Hitter Hitler


FTFY

/Godwinned I know but damn that was the first thing i saw.
 
2014-01-27 03:34:51 PM  
I love things like this.  When the guy you like starts liking the things the guy you hate likes, it gives everyone a chance to see how full of shiat you are.  Except you, of course.
 
2014-01-27 03:36:54 PM  

TV's Vinnie: serpent_sky: Also, wanting to be able to live decently and afford things like food, health care, and electricity isn't envy, it's realistic.

The rich think that not only should the rest of the world suffer, but that God made it that way so that the rich can feel superior over everyone else.


This is not a repeat from every century since the beginning of time.

Seems as though the richer you are, the more fragile your ego.
 
2014-01-27 03:38:08 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.


I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.
 
2014-01-27 03:38:10 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: s2s2s2: [rlv.zcache.ca image 324x324]

It has zero to do with morality. Even the coldest-hearted utilitarian could tell you that large-scale wealth inequality is a common catalyst for political and social instability, and that's objectively bad for society.

/although the GOP's stand on poverty/wealth is pretty morally reprehensible
//so....good point?


People will support the Pope saying it, because he is encouraging morality. They won't support attempts to actually legislate morality, because they doubt that morality has much to do with a politician's motives. I'm not saying I agree with that course, but I recognize the reality of it. The bumper sticker says "can't". It's not wrong.

So yeah, it was a great point, you just missed what it was.
 
2014-01-27 03:40:17 PM  

jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.


Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.
 
2014-01-27 03:41:10 PM  
When Pope Francis speaks about our "throwaway" abortion culture, or comments on marriage as a union between a man and a woman, he wins no points from those on the left.

Yeah, dumbass, anyone who thinks that it is possible to make EVERYONE happy is a delusional moron. No, the Left isn't going to sing this Pope's praises on everything, THAT is how the real world farking functions.

Now, is there any more derp contained with... Ohhh, look:

What is driving Obama and de Blasio is envy;

You guys are the ones who keep telling us how Obama can't represent us because he's too rich. Pick one. Is he too rich, or is he "jealous"? Oh, I'm sorry, he's "envious". Either way, you've raised 'stupid' to new levels, you should be proud.

...what is driving the Pope is justice.

OK, so NOW we're getting somewhere. Speaking out against income inequality is speaking out against injustice. Glad you could join the party.

Kinda just walked into that one on your own there, didn't you?
 
2014-01-27 03:41:59 PM  

ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.


If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.
 
2014-01-27 03:42:39 PM  

somedude210: *headdesk* Obama is not a goddamn socialist, you morons. Social inequality is not a left or right issue. Everyone suffers from income inequality because the economy is stagnant. If you bothered to pull your heads out of your asses and stop making this a political issue, you'd see that we need to do something now so we can all benefit.


If social inequality isn't a left issue then what does left even mean?
 
2014-01-27 03:42:57 PM  

jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.


If you can afford to not do this, how rich are you?


Seriously, do you think going shopping every day is cheaper?

Losing food to spoilage?

It's not even remotely relative.
 
2014-01-27 03:45:41 PM  

s2s2s2: [rlv.zcache.ca image 324x324]


I said that once in a thread and someone (I don't remember who) went off on a multi-post tirade about how laws are morals by definition and that there could never ever, EVER be a law that wasn't moral.

/Yeah, CSB, I know.
 
2014-01-27 03:46:11 PM  

Ned Stark: somedude210: *headdesk* Obama is not a goddamn socialist, you morons. Social inequality is not a left or right issue. Everyone suffers from income inequality because the economy is stagnant. If you bothered to pull your heads out of your asses and stop making this a political issue, you'd see that we need to do something now so we can all benefit.

If social inequality isn't a left issue then what does left even mean?


"Left" is some scary boogeyman Bill Buckley ran with. "Left" rather than "sensible" happens to equate with Commies and dictators. You cannot change society because you will end up with a Mugabe.

amirite?
 
2014-01-27 03:46:16 PM  

ikanreed: jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.

If you can afford to not do this, how rich are you?


Seriously, do you think going shopping every day is cheaper?

Losing food to spoilage?

It's not even remotely relative.


200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.
 
2014-01-27 03:48:37 PM  
Cognitive dissonance!
 
2014-01-27 03:49:01 PM  

jigger: ikanreed: jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.

If you can afford to not do this, how rich are you?


Seriously, do you think going shopping every day is cheaper?

Losing food to spoilage?

It's not even remotely relative.

200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-27 03:50:09 PM  

s2s2s2: UrukHaiGuyz: s2s2s2: [rlv.zcache.ca image 324x324]

It has zero to do with morality. Even the coldest-hearted utilitarian could tell you that large-scale wealth inequality is a common catalyst for political and social instability, and that's objectively bad for society.

/although the GOP's stand on poverty/wealth is pretty morally reprehensible
//so....good point?

People will support the Pope saying it, because he is encouraging morality. They won't support attempts to actually legislate morality, because they doubt that morality has much to do with a politician's motives. I'm not saying I agree with that course, but I recognize the reality of it. The bumper sticker says "can't". It's not wrong.

So yeah, it was a great point, you just missed what it was.


Why are a politician's motives in any way relevant? They should be judged on the legislation they write/sponsor/enact, their policy positions, and their public behavior. Legislators can and do legislate morality on a regular basis ("blue" alcohol laws, vice taxes, sodomy laws, etc.). Are you trying to say that you can't force real morality through legislation?
 
2014-01-27 03:50:37 PM  

jigger: 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.


It's cute you think that being able to obtain some of the material possessions the rich have equates to having "everything they need and more."

Almost as cute as your post-scarcity strawman. Is it self-replicating?
 
2014-01-27 03:51:14 PM  

Fart_Machine: Isn't the Catholic League one guy and a fax machine?


Youre thinking of One Million Moms.
 
2014-01-27 03:52:21 PM  

jigger: ikanreed: jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.

If you can afford to not do this, how rich are you?


Seriously, do you think going shopping every day is cheaper?

Losing food to spoilage?

It's not even remotely relative.

200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.


Which is why poor people nowadays don't suffer from anything that used to afflict the poor, like homelessness, hunger or disease! The society we've built truly is a technological utopia.
 
2014-01-27 03:53:11 PM  

jigger: ikanreed: jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.

If you can afford to not do this, how rich are you?


Seriously, do you think going shopping every day is cheaper?

Losing food to spoilage?

It's not even remotely relative.

200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.


So in other words, no one's poor because they have more than the skin on their back?
 
2014-01-27 03:53:14 PM  

Ned Stark: If social inequality isn't a left issue then what does left even mean?


Such large social inequalities are everyone's issue. When people can't afford housing or food, they aren't going to stay in their own neighborhoods. They're going to go after the people who have big, warm houses and all the food they could ever want.  It is in everyone's interest to have a solid middle class.  I grasp we can't all be exactly the same, but the shrinking middle class in this country is a danger for all. For those who will suffer the ills of extreme poverty, and for the rich, who will be affected as well.  Nobody wins.

And the GOP's seeming full-on assault on the poor, as standard policy (not extending unemployment, cutting SNAP benefits, so on and so forth) is not only stupid, but it's reckless.

You know the old saying, "the world needs ditch diggers, too"? It applies here. We need our minimum wage workforce or everything grinds to a halt.  EVERYTHING. But keep arguing against paying these people better. I'm not saying the guy who stocks shelves at A&P should make as much money as my  doctor, but he works hard and should be able to afford the basics on the salary from that one (essential for us all) job.
 
2014-01-27 03:53:33 PM  

whidbey: Ned Stark: somedude210: *headdesk* Obama is not a goddamn socialist, you morons. Social inequality is not a left or right issue. Everyone suffers from income inequality because the economy is stagnant. If you bothered to pull your heads out of your asses and stop making this a political issue, you'd see that we need to do something now so we can all benefit.

If social inequality isn't a left issue then what does left even mean?

"Left" is some scary boogeyman Bill Buckley ran with. "Left" rather than "sensible" happens to equate with Commies and dictators. You cannot change society because you will end up with a Mugabe.

amirite?


The left/right language we use in politics is a lot older than Buckley...

The rest of you post I can't make heads or tails of, so I couldn't say if you're right.
 
2014-01-27 03:53:57 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: jigger: ikanreed: jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.

If you can afford to not do this, how rich are you?


Seriously, do you think going shopping every day is cheaper?

Losing food to spoilage?

It's not even remotely relative.

200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.

Which is why poor people nowadays don't suffer from anything that used to afflict the poor, like homelessness, hunger or disease! The society we've built truly is a technological utopia.


I think we can all compromise.   We go try living with that shiatting a hole in the ground(which totally isn't a public health thing, and is all about personal comfort), as long as we keep jigger in that hole.  Everyone wins.
 
2014-01-27 03:54:21 PM  
If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.

one day, there will be a website on which I am allowed to honestly state what I think of people who say this kind of thing
 
2014-01-27 03:54:22 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: 200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.

Which is why poor people nowadays don't suffer from anything that used to afflict the poor, like homelessness, hunger or disease! The society we've built truly is a technological utopia.


And just think, if you can get off your ass and get a job you could be JUST LIKE THEM.
 
2014-01-27 03:54:30 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke


They have some of the busiest bats in the minors
 
2014-01-27 03:55:34 PM  
If only Jesus had made comments about this, multiple times, and if only we had a book where such comments were written down.

If, then maybe Catholics would know what to think.

If, but oh well.
 
2014-01-27 03:55:47 PM  

jigger: 200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.


And 800 years ago the richest people in the world controlled empires that spanned continents, had thousands of slaves, multiple wives, and literally held life or death control over their subjects, so I guess the richest people today are pretty poor, relatively.
 
2014-01-27 03:59:01 PM  

serpent_sky: We need our minimum wage workforce or everything grinds to a halt. EVERYTHING. But keep arguing against paying these people better. I'm not saying the guy who stocks shelves at A&P should make as much money as my doctor, but he works hard and should be able to afford the basics on the salary from that one (essential for us all) job.


Careful, buddy. You're starting to sound like some kind of socialistic Eugene Debsbamapotstalinitler, which as we all know, was outlawed here in Merka after Reagan tore down Gorbachev's Wall of Communism with brawn and folksiness.

// and that's why Israelis pray at their "Western" Wall - to be more like Ronald Reagan, hero of The West
 
2014-01-27 04:00:00 PM  

jigger: ikanreed: jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.

If you can afford to not do this, how rich are you?


Seriously, do you think going shopping every day is cheaper?

Losing food to spoilage?

It's not even remotely relative.

200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.


I'm not even sure what your point is here.  That poor people today should be happy with what they've got because they're not dying from cholera and TB and most of their children won't die before age 10?
 
2014-01-27 04:00:10 PM  

organizmx: If only Jesus had made comments about this, multiple times, and if only we had a book where such comments were written down.

If, then maybe Catholics would know what to think.

If, but oh well.


If there is confusion on how to interpret the Bible, the Pope can clarify for you.  Holy shiat, they are screwed.
 
2014-01-27 04:00:21 PM  

Marquis de Sod: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke

They have some of the busiest bats in the minors


Water all over the monitor.  You magnificent bastid!
 
2014-01-27 04:02:39 PM  

serpent_sky: Ned Stark: If social inequality isn't a left issue then what does left even mean?

Such large social inequalities are everyone's issue. When people can't afford housing or food, they aren't going to stay in their own neighborhoods. They're going to go after the people who have big, warm houses and all the food they could ever want.  It is in everyone's interest to have a solid middle class.  I grasp we can't all be exactly the same, but the shrinking middle class in this country is a danger for all. For those who will suffer the ills of extreme poverty, and for the rich, who will be affected as well.  Nobody wins.

And the GOP's seeming full-on assault on the poor, as standard policy (not extending unemployment, cutting SNAP benefits, so on and so forth) is not only stupid, but it's reckless.

You know the old saying, "the world needs ditch diggers, too"? It applies here. We need our minimum wage workforce or everything grinds to a halt.  EVERYTHING. But keep arguing against paying these people better. I'm not saying the guy who stocks shelves at A&P should make as much money as my  doctor, but he works hard and should be able to afford the basics on the salary from that one (essential for us all) job.


Who's arguing against it? I'm a durty red and all for extracting some of corprare Americas cash. With tongs and hot pokers if need be!

What we're discussing is classification. And it seems like you're saying that if something is too obviously a good idea the left should disown it and claim it's bipartisan? I like how nonsensical it is in principal, but it seems a touch self destructive.
 
2014-01-27 04:06:17 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Careful, buddy. You're starting to sound like some kind of socialistic Eugene Debsbamapotstalinitler, which as we all know, was outlawed here in Merka after Reagan tore down Gorbachev's Wall of Communism with brawn and folksiness.


I know you're kidding, but it scares me that people really do seem to think that.

I'm not dumb enough to think that a guy working at McDonald's should make the same as a brain surgeon, and in that case, nobody would do anything but the easiest jobs. Why work harder than you have to with no financial incentive? But this country has a very huge problem with the working poor and it needs to be addressed.  When people working full-time still need government assistance such as SNAP, or have to live in Section 8 housing, or have to find a way to work another job just to get by, something is very wrong.

I think this is why we're seeing a rise in violence in this country. People are breaking from the stress of either not being able to find work, or being overworked and underpaid. It's only going to get worse if something doesn't change.
 
2014-01-27 04:06:48 PM  
In whatever your foundation of morals are, where does it say that the poor should suffer sufficiently before they're worthy of help?
 
2014-01-27 04:09:16 PM  
If Obama and De Blasio were concerned about income inequality, they wouldn't be looking to import more workers to devalue labor. If you want to increase income, you increase the value of labor. Third graders should be able to figure that out.
 
2014-01-27 04:10:48 PM  

Bloody William: In whatever your foundation of morals are, where does it say that the poor should suffer sufficiently before they're worthy of help?


Objectivism 101.
 
2014-01-27 04:13:06 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Bloody William: In whatever your foundation of morals are, where does it say that the poor should suffer sufficiently before they're worthy of help?

Objectivism 101.


It's a stark and troubling difference between the trains of thought that lead to "That person is suffering, how can we stop that?" and "That person is suffering, why does he deserve it?"
 
2014-01-27 04:13:21 PM  

Ned Stark: whidbey: Ned Stark: somedude210: *headdesk* Obama is not a goddamn socialist, you morons. Social inequality is not a left or right issue. Everyone suffers from income inequality because the economy is stagnant. If you bothered to pull your heads out of your asses and stop making this a political issue, you'd see that we need to do something now so we can all benefit.

If social inequality isn't a left issue then what does left even mean?

"Left" is some scary boogeyman Bill Buckley ran with. "Left" rather than "sensible" happens to equate with Commies and dictators. You cannot change society because you will end up with a Mugabe.

amirite?

The left/right language we use in politics is a lot older than Buckley...

The rest of you post I can't make heads or tails of, so I couldn't say if you're right.


Meh. Cannabis. I was trying to be all poetic and eloquent an' shiat. The point is that the hardliners demonized the term. They don't care for change, and they don't want anyone else moving in on their game or demanding another one.
 
2014-01-27 04:13:51 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: jigger: 200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.

And 800 years ago the richest people in the world controlled empires that spanned continents, had thousands of slaves, multiple wives, and literally held life or death control over their subjects, so I guess the richest people today are pretty poor, relatively.


But none of those people had air conditioning.

Is it material wealth or power that you're most concerned with?


whidbey: jigger: 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.

It's cute you think that being able to obtain some of the material possessions the rich have equates to having "everything they need and more."

Almost as cute as your post-scarcity strawman. Is it self-replicating?


My point was that even in a hypothetical post-scarcity society there will be morons who won't stop crying about "the poor" despite how not-poor they are.

Teufelaffe: I'm not even sure what your point is here. That poor people today should be happy with what they've got because they're not dying from cholera and TB and most of their children won't die before age 10?


Should they not be happy with what they have? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? Thou shall not covet. Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven, don't ya know.
 
2014-01-27 04:15:17 PM  

Bloody William: UrukHaiGuyz: Bloody William: In whatever your foundation of morals are, where does it say that the poor should suffer sufficiently before they're worthy of help?

Objectivism 101.

It's a stark and troubling difference between the trains of thought that lead to "That person is suffering, how can we stop that?" and "That person is suffering, why does he deserve it?"


I would present also: "That person is not suffering, even though he deserves to!"
 
2014-01-27 04:16:05 PM  
Keep in mind, this was "written" by one of the truly dumbest people on the planet.

Not to mention, most punch-in-the-face-able.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK07yXKjqLo
 
2014-01-27 04:17:32 PM  

jigger: Should they not be happy with what they have? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? Thou shall not covet. Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven, don't ya know.


Feel free to pull up chapter and verse from the Gospels as evidence that Jesus actually said those things.
 
2014-01-27 04:17:51 PM  

qorkfiend: Bloody William: UrukHaiGuyz: Bloody William: In whatever your foundation of morals are, where does it say that the poor should suffer sufficiently before they're worthy of help?

Objectivism 101.

It's a stark and troubling difference between the trains of thought that lead to "That person is suffering, how can we stop that?" and "That person is suffering, why does he deserve it?"

I would present also: "That person is not suffering, even though he deserves to!"


Just world fallacies are exactly why "deserve" is a word I'm extremely distrustful of.   People who say "This is how things work in nature, therefor that's how things should work" are people who love being wrong.
 
2014-01-27 04:22:58 PM  

Ned Stark: Who's arguing against it? I'm a durty red and all for extracting some of corprare Americas cash. With tongs and hot pokers if need be!

What we're discussing is classification. And it seems like you're saying that if something is too obviously a good idea the left should disown it and claim it's bipartisan? I like how nonsensical it is in principal, but it seems a touch self destructive.


Oh, I mean the general you, not  you-you.

I am not saying the left should disown it, quite the opposite. I'm saying the right should embrace it, realizing it is in their best interests, as well, to address the ever expanding economic divide in this country. I'm saying that it's too big of an issue and has too much of an impact on the country as a whole to be some political volleyball.
 
2014-01-27 04:23:20 PM  
FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)
 
2014-01-27 04:23:28 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke

As is their embrace of the Designated Hitter.


I read that as Designated Hitler.
 
2014-01-27 04:26:52 PM  

technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)


Funny how it seems to ignore greed/avarice. An uncontrollable desire for material possessions.
 
2014-01-27 04:26:57 PM  

qorkfiend: jigger: Should they not be happy with what they have? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? Thou shall not covet. Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven, don't ya know.

Feel free to pull up chapter and verse from the Gospels as evidence that Jesus actually said those things.


Thou shall not covet. Exodus 20:17

"those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples." Luke 14:33
Also see Matthew 19:16-28

Don't be rich. Be poor and you'll have treasure in heaven.
 
2014-01-27 04:28:37 PM  

technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)


Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."
 
2014-01-27 04:33:12 PM  

jigger: qorkfiend: jigger: Should they not be happy with what they have? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? Thou shall not covet. Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven, don't ya know.

Feel free to pull up chapter and verse from the Gospels as evidence that Jesus actually said those things.

Thou shall not covet. Exodus 20:17

"those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples." Luke 14:33
Also see Matthew 19:16-28

Don't be rich. Be poor and you'll have treasure in heaven.


This is the part of the thread where we pretend Exodus is not only in the New Testament, but is also a Gospel? And where we pretend that "being a disciple" is equivalent to "getting into heaven"?
 
2014-01-27 04:36:03 PM  

Flaumig: technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)

Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."


Did you just make that up? Most sources I am finding say that envy is wanting something someone else has ans jealousy has more to do with fear of losing affection that you already have...


The emotion of envy is often confused with jealousy. Envy is directed at another or others, wanting their qualities, success, or possession. Jealousy involves thinking you will lose, or have lost, some affection or security from another person because of someone or something else-including their interest in an activity that takes time away from you.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/intense-emotions-and-strong-feel in gs/201307/jealousy-and-envy-the-emotions-comparison-and-contr
 
2014-01-27 04:36:24 PM  

Teufelaffe: I said that once in a thread and someone (I don't remember who) went off on a multi-post tirade about how laws are morals by definition and that there could never ever, EVER be a law that wasn't moral.


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UrukHaiGuyz: Are you trying to say that you can't force real morality through legislation?


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2014-01-27 04:36:59 PM  

Flaumig: technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)

Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."


Alternately, envy is "I want what he has" and jealousy is "I don't want anyone else to have what I have."
 
2014-01-27 04:37:53 PM  

qorkfiend: jigger: qorkfiend: jigger: Should they not be happy with what they have? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? Thou shall not covet. Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven, don't ya know.

Feel free to pull up chapter and verse from the Gospels as evidence that Jesus actually said those things.

Thou shall not covet. Exodus 20:17

"those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples." Luke 14:33
Also see Matthew 19:16-28

Don't be rich. Be poor and you'll have treasure in heaven.

This is the part of the thread where we pretend Exodus is not only in the New Testament, but is also a Gospel? And where we pretend that "being a disciple" is equivalent to "getting into heaven"?


Also he only said that the rich will have an impossible time getting into heaven, not that the poor are automatically ushered in. Jesus' verbatim view on how the poor should be treated, and what awaits those who neglect or scorn the poor:

Matthew 25:31-46

"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.  35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,  36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?  38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?  39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.  42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,  43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

/not even Christian
//still think it's f*cked up to twist Jesus' own words for evil
 
2014-01-27 04:38:12 PM  

Flaumig: Wow, they have those definitions backward. Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."


Jealousy is also the one that would seek to deprive by any means necessary, while envy is far more passive, and in some instances, a good thing to have as if someone has the means and the way to achieve it, envy can stoke the fires under them whereas jealousy has never done anything good for anybody,
 
2014-01-27 04:38:28 PM  

Marquis de Sod: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke

They have some of the busiest bats in the minors


Well played!
 
2014-01-27 04:39:17 PM  

qorkfiend: jigger: qorkfiend: jigger: Should they not be happy with what they have? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? Thou shall not covet. Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven, don't ya know.

Feel free to pull up chapter and verse from the Gospels as evidence that Jesus actually said those things.

Thou shall not covet. Exodus 20:17

"those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples." Luke 14:33
Also see Matthew 19:16-28

Don't be rich. Be poor and you'll have treasure in heaven.

This is the part of the thread where we pretend Exodus is not only in the New Testament, but is also a Gospel? And where we pretend that "being a disciple" is equivalent to "getting into heaven"?


"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.

And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.

"Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink, nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life? And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.



I could go on...
 
2014-01-27 04:39:28 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
www.catholicleague.org
 
2014-01-27 04:40:28 PM  

Bloody William: Flaumig: technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)

Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."

Alternately, envy is "I want what he has" and jealousy is "I don't want anyone else to have what I have."


No.


Envy is "I want what he has" jealousy is "I am afraid I am going to lose the affection or security I have to someone else".
 
2014-01-27 04:41:34 PM  

Flaumig: technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)

Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."


funny, I could have sworn they were farkingsynonymous and that the troll who authored TFA made up a difference in definition between them so he could further articulate and legitimize his completely full-of-shiat argument.
 
2014-01-27 04:41:59 PM  

jst3p: Bloody William: Flaumig: technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)

Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."

Alternately, envy is "I want what he has" and jealousy is "I don't want anyone else to have what I have."

No.


Envy is "I want what he has" jealousy is "I am afraid I am going to lose the affection or security I have to someone else".


Either way, can we agree that it's farked up the Catholic League is hung up on the deadly sin of Envy and COMPLETELY IGNORING the deadly sin of Avarice?
 
2014-01-27 04:42:50 PM  

MurphyMurphy: Flaumig: technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)

Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."

funny, I could have sworn they were farkingsynonymous and that the troll who authored TFA made up a difference in definition between them so he could further articulate and legitimize his completely full-of-shiat argument.


They're words that have slightly different meanings, but have become utterly conflated in modern parlance, so, yes, it is pedantic.
 
2014-01-27 04:45:46 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Matthew 25:31-46


Kinda gets to the heart of why GOP Christianists demonize "the left" eh?
 
2014-01-27 04:46:06 PM  

Bloody William: jst3p: Bloody William: Flaumig: technicolor-misfit: FTA - "The Catholic Church considers envy to be one of the seven capital sins. It is not identical to jealousy. The jealous want what others have; the envious want to deprive others of what they have.""


You mean like by deliberately depressing their wages for forty years, so that their earnings land in your pocket instead of theirs?

(...even though you're already rich as farking Midas?)

Wow, they have those definitions backward.  Envy is "I want that too", jealousy is "they don't deserve that."

Alternately, envy is "I want what he has" and jealousy is "I don't want anyone else to have what I have."

No.


Envy is "I want what he has" jealousy is "I am afraid I am going to lose the affection or security I have to someone else".

Either way, can we agree that it's farked up the Catholic League is hung up on the deadly sin of Envy and COMPLETELY IGNORING the deadly sin of Avarice?


100% agreed. But more and more I am confident that looking to any religion for morality is a flawed plan.
 
2014-01-27 04:47:45 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke


Is it the pitching or the catching?

/i'm sorry, i'll go have a seat over there
 
2014-01-27 04:50:54 PM  

serpent_sky: Ned Stark: If social inequality isn't a left issue then what does left even mean?

Such large social inequalities are everyone's issue. When people can't afford housing or food, they aren't going to stay in their own neighborhoods. They're going to go after the people who have big, warm houses and all the food they could ever want.  It is in everyone's interest to have a solid middle class.  I grasp we can't all be exactly the same, but the shrinking middle class in this country is a danger for all. For those who will suffer the ills of extreme poverty, and for the rich, who will be affected as well.  Nobody wins.

And the GOP's seeming full-on assault on the poor, as standard policy (not extending unemployment, cutting SNAP benefits, so on and so forth) is not only stupid, but it's reckless.

You know the old saying, "the world needs ditch diggers, too"? It applies here. We need our minimum wage workforce or everything grinds to a halt.  EVERYTHING. But keep arguing against paying these people better. I'm not saying the guy who stocks shelves at A&P should make as much money as my  doctor, but he works hard and should be able to afford the basics on the salary from that one (essential for us all) job.


No no, the middle class should pay higher taxes to support him, otherwise Job Creators will have to pay him a living wage, and we can't have that!!! eleventy!

/Tax cuts for Job Creators! They are oppressed and need relief!
 
2014-01-27 04:53:18 PM  

KeatingFive: No no, the middle class should pay higher taxes to support him, otherwise Job Creators will have to pay him a living wage, and we can't have that!!! eleventy!

/Tax cuts for Job Creators! They are oppressed and need relief!


It's true, I mean the amount of jobs that these people are creating daily is extraordinary.
Between the job creators and Congress' laser-like focus on jobs, it's a wonder anyone is struggling to find work these days.
 
2014-01-27 04:53:47 PM  

qorkfiend: jigger: qorkfiend: jigger: Should they not be happy with what they have? Isn't that what Jesus told you to do? Thou shall not covet. Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven, don't ya know.

Feel free to pull up chapter and verse from the Gospels as evidence that Jesus actually said those things.

Thou shall not covet. Exodus 20:17

"those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples." Luke 14:33
Also see Matthew 19:16-28

Don't be rich. Be poor and you'll have treasure in heaven.

This is the part of the thread where we pretend Exodus is not only in the New Testament, but is also a Gospel? And where we pretend that "being a disciple" is equivalent to "getting into heaven"?


In Christianity, is Jesus not god? Jesus created the world, wrote the 10 commandments, and did all the genocide, etc. of the OT.

And did you not read the part where he said if you're rich it's pretty much impossible to go to heaven, plus if you give up everything you have then you will have treasures in heaven?

It's shiat like this that makes me shake my head when people say, "But Jesus' teachings were all great stuff." No, he taught some truly stupid things too.
 
2014-01-27 04:55:31 PM  

s2s2s2: UrukHaiGuyz: Matthew 25:31-46

Kinda gets to the heart of why GOP Christianists demonize "the left" eh?


Yeah. I was raised as a Christian, and I'm still gung-ho for all of the social justice stuff Jesus relentlessly preached. How people can derive so much hate, exclusion and self-centered greed from his philosophy still baffles and saddens me.
 
2014-01-27 04:55:52 PM  

Bloody William: UrukHaiGuyz: Bloody William: In whatever your foundation of morals are, where does it say that the poor should suffer sufficiently before they're worthy of help?

Objectivism 101.

It's a stark and troubling difference between the trains of thought that lead to "That person is suffering, how can we stop that?" and "That person is suffering, why does he deserve it *fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapandfapimfinished!"



FTFY.
 
2014-01-27 04:58:28 PM  
BTW, I would just like to remind everybody that Bill Donahue defended pedophile priests and was last seen ranting about the Jews in Hollywood and the clouds in the sky.

That is all.
 
2014-01-27 04:58:36 PM  

jigger: And did you not read the part where he said if you're rich it's pretty much impossible to go to heaven, plus if you give up everything you have then you will have treasures in heaven?


That's a really mangled paraphrase you got there. He says "Store up for yourselves treasures in heaven." Telling people that riches are vain and giving solace to the poor is not the same as saying it is good to be poor. See my post where the actual words of Jesus condemn those who neglect or scorn the poor.
 
2014-01-27 05:05:09 PM  

jigger: In Christianity, is Jesus not god? Jesus created the world, wrote the 10 commandments, and did all the genocide, etc. of the OT.

And did you not read the part where he said if you're rich it's pretty much impossible to go to heaven, plus if you give up everything you have then you will have treasures in heaven?

It's shiat like this that makes me shake my head when people say, "But Jesus' teachings were all great stuff." No, he taught some truly stupid things too.


You don't seem to be well versed in Christian mythology.

No, "Jesus" and "God" are not interchangeable.
No, the Old Testament does not include any of Jesus' teachings.
No, "It's tough to get into heaven if you're rich" is not equivalent to "Oh, and be poor because that's how you get into heaven", which was your original claim.
Also, who said "Jesus' teachings were all great stuff"?

I'll re-post what Jesus actually said about the poor, how you should treat them, and the penalties for failing in that charge, just in case you missed it earlier.

Matthew 25:31-46

"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'
40"The King will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'
41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
 
2014-01-27 05:05:21 PM  

jigger: 200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.


Jigger, please.
 
2014-01-27 05:13:24 PM  

qorkfiend: No, "Jesus" and "God" are not interchangeable.


Jesus is the son of God. (The whole "forgive them father for they do not know what they do" thing on the cross and all.)  The trinity is Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit.  Moses technically wrote the 10 Commandments, though he believed God himself told them to him. Jesus had nothing to do with that.

Nonetheless, I think we can all agree that Jesus' teachings were generally to love the sinners (and oddly, never really seemed to mention homosexuals or people who are pro-choice as sinners), be kind to the poor, do the right thing. That stuff was big to him. I have no idea how that has been overlooked so incredibly much, other than for some people, it's hard to do those things and easier to just hate those that one personally deems a sinner and use something as powerful as religion to justify this hate..

It's twisted, but that's where the whole "because Jesus" thing came from.  They have no real justification, so they interpret their holy book in weird ways to force a justification.  I mean, the things they pick and choose from Leviticus is one of the most bizarre things, considering it in no way says  "these are the super bad ones" and "these are the ones that are kind of okay, if it's too inconvenient for you to say, not eat shellfish or not wear blended fabrics."
 
2014-01-27 05:18:50 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: jigger: 200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.

And 800 years ago the richest people in the world controlled empires that spanned continents, had thousands of slaves, multiple wives, and literally held life or death control over their subjects, so I guess the richest people today are pretty poor, relatively.


You know, in all seriousness it makes me wonder if many rich people see the way nobles treated peasants and feel a bit of envy for what the nobles could get away with.
 
2014-01-27 05:19:24 PM  

jigger: My point was that even in a hypothetical post-scarcity society there will be morons who won't stop crying about "the poor" despite how not-poor they are


Dude, there won't be any poor in a post-scarcity society, hence no "morons" crying about it. Your strawman is also a shapeshifter.

But it's actually kind of sad how divorced from reality you are in the present day. Poor people have a few mod cons, so that means they're actually rich.

Keep on carrying that water jigger.
 
2014-01-27 05:22:17 PM  

serpent_sky: "Obama and de Blasio exemplify Schoeck's concern. Both of them are consumed with tapping into a debased appetite for envy, driving a wedge between the classes. "


I had to stop reading there. The wedge between the classes is a real thing, driven by the fact that the rich are SO incredibly rich, and seem to delight in torturing the poor, going so far as to act as if a minimum wage increase will cripple companies with record profits... and CEOs that make hundreds of thousands, if not millions.


Let me get this straight -- Obama and De Blasio, both of who are independently wealthy and among the 1%, are driven by envy, while New Pope is driven by justice alone?

wat
 
2014-01-27 05:23:37 PM  
With friends like this, who needs enemas.
s3-ec.buzzfed.com
 
2014-01-27 05:24:56 PM  

serpent_sky: "Obama and de Blasio exemplify Schoeck's concern. Both of them are consumed with tapping into a debased appetite for envy, driving a wedge between the classes. "


I had to stop reading there. The wedge between the classes is a real thing, driven by the fact that the rich are SO incredibly rich, and seem to delight in torturing the poor, going so far as to act as if a minimum wage increase will cripple companies with record profits... and CEOs that make hundreds of thousands, if not millions.



The envy assertion is always a blatant projection. People that look up to wealth want wealth themselves, so they project that belief onto everyone that complains about wealth inequality.

Most people just want a reasonable work life so they have time off to spend with their friends and families, and to pay their farking bills sans the panic.
 
2014-01-27 05:27:33 PM  

ThePastafarian: You know, in all seriousness it makes me wonder if many rich people see the way nobles treated peasants and feel a bit of envy for what the nobles could get away with.


I'd say they get raging, persistent boners that they should seek medical attention for if they think about how the nobles treated the peasants.  They would do anything to have that kind of power - and if you look, a lot of them are trying, down to the asshole in IL running for office based on lowering the minimum wage. In the name of "competitiveness." Because nobody does business in IL, I suppose, with the great burden of having to pay people no less than $8.25 per hour.
 
2014-01-27 05:27:37 PM  
MayoSlather:

The envy assertion is always a blatant projection. People that look up to wealth want wealth themselves, so they project that belief onto everyone that complains about wealth inequality.

Central deficit of conservative thinking: Everyone else is as much of a shiatbag as I am.
 
2014-01-27 05:33:34 PM  

Dahnkster: With friends like this, who needs enemas.
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Who the hell thinks that is true in the current day? The Inquisition was a long time age.
 
2014-01-27 05:37:02 PM  

simplicimus: Dahnkster: With friends like this, who needs enemas.
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Who the hell thinks that is true in the current day? The Inquisition was a long time age.


Yeah - if Catholics couldn't eradicate The People of the Lox back before lox was a thing, there's no way they'll get rid of us now.

// also, religious Jews are, generally and sadly, more than happy to carry the Culture Warriors' water for them
 
2014-01-27 05:48:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: simplicimus: Dahnkster: With friends like this, who needs enemas.
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Who the hell thinks that is true in the current day? The Inquisition was a long time age.

Yeah - if Catholics couldn't eradicate The People of the Lox back before lox was a thing, there's no way they'll get rid of us now.

// also, religious Jews are, generally and sadly, more than happy to carry the Culture Warriors' water for them


http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-francis-breaking-new-groun d- in-jewish-catholic-relations/

"The Pope and Rabbi Skorka made history by sharing meals and praying together during Sukkot and Sabbath at the Vatican - making Pope Francis perhaps the first bishop of Rome to do so, since St. Peter himself."
 
2014-01-27 05:59:20 PM  

All2morrowsparTs: DjangoStonereaver: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The Catholic League's farm system is a joke

As is their embrace of the Designated Hitter Hitler

FTFY

/Godwinned I know but damn that was the first thing i saw.


Yoooooou aaaare noooot aloooooone...
 
2014-01-27 06:00:34 PM  

simplicimus: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-francis-breaking-new-groun d- in-jewish-catholic-relations/

"The Pope and Rabbi Skorka made history by sharing meals and praying together during Sukkot and Sabbath at the Vatican - making Pope Francis perhaps the first bishop of Rome to do so, since St. Peter himself."


That wasn't to say such a friendship is impossible. Just that the more religious a community is, the more Republicans (or conservatives) one seems to find there.

// and I'm willing to bet it's not hardcore Orthodoxy you'll find in meetings with Pope Frankel
 
2014-01-27 06:01:22 PM  
Why can;t you legislate morality?
 
2014-01-27 06:14:34 PM  

serpent_sky: I had to stop reading there.


It's Newsmax. You never should have started. Newsmax + The Catholic League = A whirling vortex of derp.
 
2014-01-27 06:45:43 PM  

Dr Dreidel: simplicimus: http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/pope-francis-breaking-new-groun d- in-jewish-catholic-relations/

"The Pope and Rabbi Skorka made history by sharing meals and praying together during Sukkot and Sabbath at the Vatican - making Pope Francis perhaps the first bishop of Rome to do so, since St. Peter himself."

That wasn't to say such a friendship is impossible. Just that the more religious a community is, the more Republicans (or conservatives) one seems to find there.

// and I'm willing to bet it's not hardcore Orthodoxy you'll find in meetings with Pope Frankel


Well, Catholics aren't really at home in any US political party. There are catholic groups that are extremely conservative, but they get more publicity than they have members.
 
2014-01-27 07:16:17 PM  

jigger: ikanreed: jigger: Rapmaster2000: I heard that a lot of these poors have refrigerators.

I guess in the next few centuries people will claim the poor aren't really poor because they have replicators and holodecks. But they're really poor, you see, because they don't have a ships with warp drive.

Keeping food rather than letting it spoil: only for the rich.

If you can afford to do this, how poor are you? It's all relative, which was my point.


It is relative, but relative to the required standard of living. Having a refrigerator is required as a basic need in industrialized countries. In the future maybe having a warp drive on your ship is the minimum requirement to have a job since all the jobs were outsourced to the Andromada system.
 
2014-01-27 07:56:24 PM  
"Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well-warmed, and well-fed." ~ Herman Melville
 
2014-01-27 08:34:50 PM  
I thought that the Catholic League was supportive of low wage earners like waitresses in cocktail bars.
 
2014-01-27 09:16:02 PM  

Dahnkster: With friends like this, who needs enemas.
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Wow. He actually did say "Jews had better not make enemies of their Catholic friends since they have so few of them". That's an actual thing he said.

What an evil prick.
 
2014-01-27 09:17:01 PM  
One way to "incentivize work" would be to stop taxing earned income at greater rates than unearned income.
 
2014-01-27 10:01:36 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: jigger: 200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground. Today the poorest americans have indoor plumbing and toilet paper. 200 years from now, people like you will be crowing about "the poor" even though they have everything they'll ever need and more.

Jigger, please.


You have a refrigerator, your argument is invalid.
 
2014-01-27 10:06:57 PM  

Infernalist: The old fashioned CC has always supported the 1%.  Rich people donate more, after all.


You should read some of the old papal encyclicals on social justice, starting with Rerum Novarum.
 
2014-01-27 10:21:07 PM  

edmo: One way to "incentivize work" would be to stop taxing earned income at greater rates than unearned income.


You ever notice that the people who screech the loudest about how they "earned" their money and the government just wants to take it away and give it to the undeserving poors also tend to be the same people with a inordinate amount of unearned income?
 
2014-01-28 12:01:15 AM  
Bill Donohue is a disgusting wretch of a human being. And, he loves defending one of the world's longest running crime syndicates. Because, a guy died for your sins. DFark him and his stupid mythos./he is the Catholic Falwelll//I can't wait until Graham dies///Pat Robertson, too
 
2014-01-28 04:33:43 AM  
"But when he speaks about income inequality, he is praised by the likes of President Barack Obama and New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio. However, these three men are not speaking from the same page. What is driving Obama and de Blasio is envy; what is driving the Pope is justice."

I do believe this man is typing with one hand.
 
2014-01-28 07:02:26 AM  

Fart_Machine: You have a refrigerator, your argument is invalid.


But is it running?
 
2014-01-28 08:49:51 AM  

jigger: 200 years ago the richest people in the world shiat in a hole in the ground.


Realy?
www.ladyofthecake.com

in reality, they even had some lackey spend the night in a cabinet with the pot
 
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