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2014-01-27 01:32:51 PM
FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

They forgot to tell us the reason, because I'm not afraid of most of those things.
 
2014-01-27 01:33:15 PM
I'm normally the first for dogpiling on the TSA, but having seen the kind of disturbed weirdos who buy these things -- I'm looking at you, ex-roommate -- I fully support them and their owners not being allowed to travel by air.
 
2014-01-27 01:35:22 PM
They used to do this at the courthouse where I used o work too and I was always amazed at the stuff people apparently thought was Okay to bring into a courthouse.  Guns? Sure, dumbasses exist and people think they can get away with that cause they are relatively small.   But who the fark thinks a cop won;t notice a Machete in your pants?
 
2014-01-27 01:37:20 PM
When are they going to start bringing dragon repellent?  I'm tired of bringing my own every flight.
 
2014-01-27 01:37:56 PM
pnmedia.gamespy.com

THANKS TSA!!
 
2014-01-27 01:39:06 PM
So none of the pieces of the morning star are prohibited but somehow having them attached together before you get on the plane is worthy of TSA attention.
 
2014-01-27 01:39:45 PM

Magorn: They used to do this at the courthouse where I used o work too and I was always amazed at the stuff people apparently thought was Okay to bring into a courthouse.  Guns? Sure, dumbasses exist and people think they can get away with that cause they are relatively small.   But who the fark thinks a cop won;t notice a Machete in your pants?


I got stopped at a courthouse for having a metal spoon in my bag.  I had to check it with security, and recover it on my way out.
 
2014-01-27 01:40:06 PM
Oh, and also, this mace, which was ...  (no that's not plastic -- that's actual wood and metal):

i.huffpost.com

(No, that's not a mace -- that's actually a flail).
 
2014-01-27 01:42:38 PM
things that morning stars might look like:
upload.wikimedia.org  www.consumerqueen.com

thing that morning stars do not look like:

i.huffpost.com
 
2014-01-27 01:43:20 PM
I thought they stopped searching for blades because you can't take over planes with them anymore, now that the cockpits are locked all the time.
 
2014-01-27 01:44:44 PM

lennavan: Oh, and also, this mace, which was ...  (no that's not plastic -- that's actual wood and metal):

[i.huffpost.com image 570x189]

(No, that's not a mace -- that's actually a flail).


FLAIL FAIL
 
2014-01-27 01:45:46 PM
Is this supposed to be a Fark laughs at the TSA thread?

Because I'm happy they noticed the guns, hidden swords/knives, fake suicide bomber jacket. While I don't think it's realistic to think someone would hijack a plane with a mace/flail, or a skull (which I think transporting human remains like that is illegal), almost everything else is a real threat.
 
2014-01-27 01:46:36 PM
FTA:

First off, the TSA found 1,813 firearms in carry-on bags at airport checkpoints last year.
Of those 1,813 guns found in 2013, 81 percent were loaded
.

May be subby's head line should include that little fact.

Maybe the TSA has prevented an inflight  mass shooting.
 
2014-01-27 01:46:46 PM
Damn, TSA...Every single person that gets on an airplane has a human skull.

That is why human skull attacks are so rare.

A skulled society is a polite society.
 
2014-01-27 01:47:09 PM

Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

They forgot to tell us the reason, because I'm not afraid of most of those things.


They're there because security. Duh. Also because freedoms, 9/11, terrorists, and probably Jesus.
 
2014-01-27 01:50:56 PM
Are they still protecting us from snow globes?
 
2014-01-27 01:51:52 PM
csb time.

My mom was visiting a relative in the local prison facility a few years ago.  She is older, and getting a little unsteady on her feet, so she grabbed one of my late step-father's walking sticks on her way out the door.  The security guard at the prison stopped her and asked her what she thought she was trying to bring in to the facility, and she didn't understand what he was talking about at first.

He took her cane from her and slid it apart, revealing a three foot long steel blade.  The expression on her face was shocked enough for him to simply hand it back and suggest that she go back home right away.  Which she did.
 
2014-01-27 01:51:58 PM

Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.


Fark you, Huffpo troll. Those agents are there to keep planes from being hijacked. Not a single one of those confiscated items was taken from a would be hijacker, and no one would have ever known those items were on the plane if they hadn't been found.
 
2014-01-27 01:52:08 PM
The last time we flew I got waved into the pre-checked lane.

Nanny-nanny-boo-boo.

Everyone else in my party had to go through the slow line so it availed me nothing.
 
2014-01-27 01:53:57 PM

Arkanaut: I thought they stopped searching for blades because you can't take over planes with them anymore, now that the cockpits are locked all the time.


They announced they were going to stop confiscating little pen knives, but then they went back on that because the flight attendants and TSA wienies complained so much.
 
2014-01-27 01:54:03 PM

Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

They forgot to tell us the reason, because I'm not afraid of most of those things.


I'm not afraid of box cutters.

Chongo79: While I don't think it's realistic to think someone would hijack a plane with a mace/flail


Mace is probably significantly more dangerous than a knife/cane sword.  A knife can't get you into the cockpit.
 
2014-01-27 01:54:17 PM
The last time I was in an airport, the TSA agents seemed to spend an inordinate amount of time fixing their hair, grooming their eyebrows, and making sure that they all looked as good as they could in their stupid Best Buy shirts. Between the Weave Queens and two members of the Backstreet Boys, I didn't feel any safer.

If I were a terrorist, I would feel tempted to ask them for tech support rather than view them as a line a defense.
 
2014-01-27 01:56:44 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: FTA:

First off, the TSA found 1,813 firearms in carry-on bags at airport checkpoints last year.
Of those 1,813 guns found in 2013, 81 percent were loaded.

May be subby's head line should include that little fact.

Maybe the TSA has prevented an inflight  mass shooting.


Judging by their detection rate in audits, that 1813 guns represents a minority share of the guns that passed through TSA checkpoints...

...but hey, if it makes you  feel safe.
 
2014-01-27 01:57:25 PM
SO they are basically keeping us safe from nerds.
 
2014-01-27 01:57:55 PM
So Subby forgot what the 9-11 hijackers actually used, or he's just looking for an easy free.
 
2014-01-27 01:58:32 PM

lennavan: Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

They forgot to tell us the reason, because I'm not afraid of most of those things.

I'm not afraid of box cutters.

Chongo79: While I don't think it's realistic to think someone would hijack a plane with a mace/flail

Mace is probably significantly more dangerous than a knife/cane sword.  A knife can't get you into the cockpit.


while everyone likes to say that the restrictions are exclusively for terrorism, or worst case scenarios, the majority of these protections are probably to prevent run of the mill crazies.

there is something about flying, it makes certain people go crazy.  that's why most flights have a strait-jacket on board.  if a drunk crazy had a knife or flail, or whatever, he would just be all that much more annoying.
 
2014-01-27 01:58:50 PM
If you're flying on a 787 they let you bring on a fire extinguisher.
 
2014-01-27 01:59:57 PM

vudukungfu: SO they are basically keeping us safe from nerds.


Well they did confiscate a +2 Flail of Hijacking, so maybe?
 
2014-01-27 01:59:58 PM

the801: things that morning stars might look like:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x286]  [www.consumerqueen.com image 425x370]

thing that morning stars do not look like:

[i.huffpost.com image 570x189]


In before medieval weapons nerds...dammit!
 
2014-01-27 02:00:42 PM

MFAWG: So Subby forgot what the 9-11 hijackers actually used, or he's just looking for an easy free.


The primary weapon of the 9-11 hijackers was the conventional wisdom that passengers aboard hijacked airplanes should remain calm and cooperate, and everything will be fine.  

That, and a lack of reinforced cockpit doors.
 
2014-01-27 02:02:08 PM

mbillips: Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

Fark you, Huffpo troll. Those agents are there to keep planes from being hijacked. Not a single one of those confiscated items was taken from a would be hijacker, and no one would have ever known those items were on the plane if they hadn't been found.


Actually they are there to help ensure the safety of the passengers and crew of the airplane. So that would include not letting people get on with things that could be used to hijack a plane or be used to harm the passengers or the crew.
 
2014-01-27 02:03:50 PM

lennavan: I'm not afraid of box cutters.


Apparently, if you aren't afraid, you're un-American.
if you go through a TSA check point with your head held up high and a look like nobody should fark with you, they will profile you and yank you from the line.

And If you dare exercise you first amendment right to protest your lack of a fourth amendment, they will arrest you.
So, If you are a veteran, and took the oath of the enlisted man or officer, you really cannot fly without being a hypocrite.

It's like being Jewish and being forced to pass under the Arch of Titus.
 
2014-01-27 02:03:54 PM

pute kisses like a man: lennavan: Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

They forgot to tell us the reason, because I'm not afraid of most of those things.

I'm not afraid of box cutters.

Chongo79: While I don't think it's realistic to think someone would hijack a plane with a mace/flail

Mace is probably significantly more dangerous than a knife/cane sword.  A knife can't get you into the cockpit.

while everyone likes to say that the restrictions are exclusively for terrorism, or worst case scenarios, the majority of these protections are probably to prevent run of the mill crazies.

there is something about flying, it makes certain people go crazy.  that's why most flights have a strait-jacket on board.  if a drunk crazy had a knife or flail, or whatever, he would just be all that much more annoying.


Airplanes didn't used to have security at all; you just walked up to the gate, bought a ticket with cash, and off you went. This was true up into the late 1960s. In-flight shootings/stabbings were pretty much nonexistent (as they are on buses and trains today that don't have pre-boarding security). They started the metal detectors after a wave of hijackings in the early '70s. They got into full butthole searches after 9/11. Pre-boarding metal detectors have nothing to do with run of the mill crazies.
 
2014-01-27 02:04:35 PM

pute kisses like a man: lennavan: Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

They forgot to tell us the reason, because I'm not afraid of most of those things.

I'm not afraid of box cutters.

Chongo79: While I don't think it's realistic to think someone would hijack a plane with a mace/flail

Mace is probably significantly more dangerous than a knife/cane sword.  A knife can't get you into the cockpit.

while everyone likes to say that the restrictions are exclusively for terrorism, or worst case scenarios, the majority of these protections are probably to prevent run of the mill crazies.

there is something about flying, it makes certain people go crazy.  that's why most flights have a strait-jacket on board.  if a drunk crazy had a knife or flail, or whatever, he would just be all that much more annoying.


Exactly. There is a reason you don't hear about decapitations on planes, but there have been at least 2 on busses that I know of.
 
2014-01-27 02:04:50 PM

skinink: Are they still protecting us from snow globes?


So long as he is free and still pissed off about Opie, that might not be a bad idea:
i1229.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-27 02:05:19 PM
Wow, a blatant rehash of the TSA blog.

Yes, the TSA runs a blog. One of the few worth checking on occasion.
 
2014-01-27 02:07:38 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: FTA:

First off, the TSA found 1,813 firearms in carry-on bags at airport checkpoints last year.
Of those 1,813 guns found in 2013, 81 percent were loaded.

May be subby's head line should include that little fact.

Maybe the TSA has prevented an inflight  mass shooting.


Carrying a gun onboard a plane has been illegal since, oh I don't know, so long now that any idiot should know by now that you can't do it.  And yet we have people here argue with all sincerity how the vast majority of gun owners are such gosh darn super duper responsible citizens and that it's only a very very small number of weirdos that won't follow the law.
 
2014-01-27 02:11:13 PM
TFA fails to mention how many soda bottles, prescription drugs, plastic bottles with more than 3 oz. of shampoo in them, toothpaste tubes, nail clippers, and hair gel bottles were confiscated at airports, because, you know, I feel safer knowing that teh naughty terrorists are thirsty, unmedicated, and can't groom themselves while on board.
 
2014-01-27 02:12:17 PM

vudukungfu: lennavan: I'm not afraid of box cutters.

Apparently, if you aren't afraid, you're un-American.


I think you missed the point of my comment.  I'm not afraid of box cutters, yet they were used in 9/11.  Just because you're not afraid of something or can't imagine a way for it to be used in a dangerous manner doesn't mean it's not possible.

People seem to think flying is some inherent right.  It's not, it's a privilege.  No one is forcing you to fly, you can drive yourself or take a boat or something.

vudukungfu: And If you dare exercise you first amendment right to protest your lack of a fourth amendment, they will arrest you.


Didn't you just mock people who are afraid a few sentences ago?  You sound awfully afraid.

vudukungfu: So, If you are a veteran, and took the oath of the enlisted man or officer, you really cannot fly without being a hypocrite.


I'm pretty sure flying isn't in the constitution.  Now I don't recall every single word in it off the top of my head, I base that assertion on the constitution being written before airplanes were invented.
 
2014-01-27 02:12:40 PM
You know what they didn't find? All of these:

ecx.images-amazon.com

/yeah, if they find it you are in big trouble.
//IF they find it.
 
hej
2014-01-27 02:17:57 PM
What about nunchaks?
 
2014-01-27 02:24:13 PM
Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy; he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft. Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs? Your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the table on a roar?

He rests now in a bin, beyond the the asphalted lands of Houston International. Not Hobby! Nay! Though fairer hands may hold him there. Tis' H W Bush where he lay. No warmth he will find there.

Tis a lonely fate.
 
2014-01-27 02:24:18 PM

ongbok: mbillips: Archae hippy: FTFA: So the next time you get annoyed with the long lines at an airport checkpoint, remember: Those agents are there for a reason.

Fark you, Huffpo troll. Those agents are there to keep planes from being hijacked. Not a single one of those confiscated items was taken from a would be hijacker, and no one would have ever known those items were on the plane if they hadn't been found.

Actually they are there to help ensure the safety of the passengers and crew of the airplane. So that would include not letting people get on with things that could be used to hijack a plane or be used to harm the passengers or the crew.


They're supposed to prevent people from getting on the plane with things that they PLAN to use to harm the passengers or crew. I could harm the crap out of somebody with my carry on bag. I could beat someone to death with my cell phone, or stab them in the eye with a ballpoint pen. The fact that the TSA stopped someone from bringing a sword cane aboard doesn't mean they made anyone safer, because 99.several 9 times out of 100, the person bringing a weapon aboard just forgot they had it on them, or they were carrying it for self defense. I've gotten used to the standard metal detectors, because hijackers WOULD start trying to take over planes if they weren't there. But since those are in place, hijackers aren't going to use that route, and the weapons they DO find weren't going to be a problem.
 
2014-01-27 02:36:53 PM

AugieDoggyDaddy: FTA:

First off, the TSA found 1,813 firearms in carry-on bags at airport checkpoints last year.
Of those 1,813 guns found in 2013, 81 percent were loaded.

May be subby's head line should include that little fact.

Maybe the TSA has prevented an inflight  mass shooting.


The TSA's own figures show that they miss something like 75% of guns and bombs (the data is a few years old, but is the last released. Which means they're even worse now, or they'd release the better numbers to counter the bad publicity). This means that, while they found 1800 guns, they let over 5000 get past then and get onto planes....

And nothing happened. No one was shot, no planes were taken over.
 
2014-01-27 02:45:15 PM
Its entirely possible that TSA agents prevent potential tragedies while also grossly overstepping their bounds and abusing their authority.

/even a broken clock is right twice a day
 
2014-01-27 02:46:24 PM
i.imgur.com
Mace

www.medievalwarfare.info
Morning star

i.imgur.com
Flail

/If gun nuts can get pedantic about weapon identification, so can I.
 
2014-01-27 02:50:25 PM

mbillips: Airplanes didn't used to have security at all; you just walked up to the gate, bought a ticket with cash, and off you went. This was true up into the late 1960s. In-flight shootings/stabbings were pretty much nonexistent (as they are on buses and trains today that don't have pre-boarding security). They started the metal detectors after a wave of hijackings in the early '70s. They got into full butthole searches after 9/11. Pre-boarding metal detectors have nothing to do with run of the mill crazies.


terrorism is like any other 'big bad'.  it's so scary that it creates the political motivation to pass whatever rules you wanted to pass, which never had enough clout to get through without a big bad.  my mom was a flight attendant back in the day, and there were many run of the mill crazies even back when you had to be rich to fly.  their only security was to ask some big passengers to restrain somebody running a muck.  they would have preferred unarmed crazies back then, but didn't have the motivation to implement satisfactory rules regarding security.
 
2014-01-27 02:55:46 PM

fredklein: AugieDoggyDaddy: FTA:

First off, the TSA found 1,813 firearms in carry-on bags at airport checkpoints last year.
Of those 1,813 guns found in 2013, 81 percent were loaded.

May be subby's head line should include that little fact.

Maybe the TSA has prevented an inflight  mass shooting.

The TSA's own figures show that they miss something like 75% of guns and bombs (the data is a few years old, but is the last released. Which means they're even worse now, or they'd release the better numbers to counter the bad publicity). This means that, while they found 1800 guns, they let over 5000 get past then and get onto planes....

And nothing happened. No one was shot, no planes were taken over.


  ---  Your first point could mean that we need more TSA.  Or better TSA.

----  Your second point,  well,  you are right,  it hasn't happened on an airplane.  Yet.
 
2014-01-27 02:56:10 PM
Man, it must be a beeyotch to get to comic-con by air.
 
2014-01-27 02:59:29 PM

lennavan: I'm pretty sure flying isn't in the constitution.


neither was email or testing.
Or regular mail.
Or telephones.
 
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