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2014-01-27 05:25:01 PM  

impaler: What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?

Counterfeit concerts.


yeah, when i caught Kraftwerk a few years back, I obviously wondered, "what are they *really* doing up there?  I see lots of laptops and buttons ostensibly being pushed, dials being moved, knobs being turned, but......"

but then i realized, ITS farkING KRAFTWERK AND I SHOULD JUST ENJOY MYSELF.

And, i've told the story before of catchign U2 on the "Claw" tour, and i was very close tot he stage, maybe 10-15' out.  the angle I was at, i could see, based upon how he was standing an dholding his green Gretsch "The Goal Is Soul" guitar, that during whatever song ("One"? "Still Haven't Found..."?) he was *ahem* playing, his pluck hand was literally a good 3-4 inches off the strings.

oh, make no mistake, he was fretting chords just as you please, but, he was nowhere near the strings.  that pissed me off. is it worse that he wasn't playing, or worse that he wanted 62,000 people minues the dozen or so of with the perfect angle, to know he wasn't playing?

bono you fat irish bastard, don't lie to me.
 
2014-01-27 05:25:58 PM  

Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?


Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?
 
2014-01-27 05:27:12 PM  

fonebone77: They actually play a lot of the instruments on a lot of their songs.  Also, sampling well is freaking hard and it takes a lot of talent to pull it off and not have it sound like crap.  They are making original music, they are just using different kinds of instruments.


No, it isn't hard at all.  Find sample, record, trim a bit at the beginning and end, loop.

Even when people were using the MPC it wasn't that hard to sample.  Now with Ableton people can produce a proper beat in 10 minutes or so.
 
2014-01-27 05:30:24 PM  

SunsetLament: I'll admit to being the 30 year old "old man" - I don't get it.  It's essentially two guys in Tron outfits playing Atari while their pre-recorded song plays in the background.  How is that any different than Milli Vanilli?


Two things:

1. Milli Vanilli cannot appear as a live duo on the Grammy's, due to that one dude being dead.
2. Daft Punk has helmets. Milli Vanilli had hair. Fabulous, fabulous locks...
 
2014-01-27 05:32:14 PM  

mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]


You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.
 
2014-01-27 05:32:50 PM  

impaler: What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?


That would constitute as fraud. And, incidentally, not the first time that's happened.
 
2014-01-27 05:35:20 PM  

Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?


Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage
 
2014-01-27 05:37:20 PM  
By the way, for those who think sampling is hard, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUDsVxBtVIg

This is Four Tet using a Fisher Price turntable and a Michael Jackson album to produce a track in 10 minutes.

While the end result isn't exactly great, it shows just how quickly you can work with software to produce something.  Absolutely no high end equipment here either, literally a toy record player and an old laptop.
 
2014-01-27 05:38:19 PM  

Mikey1969: I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.


Right. But you have noticed over the past three decades as software has overtaken everything else to become the most important musical apparatus in every music studio, that subsequently that the producer has overtaken all other pieces as the most important part of a musical outfit, right?

So when they "go on tour", what is it that YOU think they're doing?


Now here's what I think you should do: Not worry about it. This is dance music. You shouldn't be paying attention to them anyway. Every producer who comes out with an ostentatious stage show trying to be a rockstar is to be shunned. The music is what matters. Not him. Don't give in to idolatry. Attend, dance, have fun. They are not the center of attention.
 
2014-01-27 05:40:43 PM  
Don't really care about the robot dudes, but I would love to see a Nathan East and Omar Hakim rhythm section go on tour.
 
2014-01-27 05:44:34 PM  
Paul McCartney has become the Dana Carvey impersonation of Paul McCartney.
 
2014-01-27 05:47:28 PM  

Glitchwerks: This is Four Tet using a Fisher Price turntable and a Michael Jackson album to produce a track in 10 minutes.


And it sounds like it. You get what you pay for. It's easy to sample. It's not easy to sample well. But it's not just the instruments/samples, it's what is done with them. The mixing, mastering, EQing, envelopes, etc... are all important. I can actually tell when a producer has spent hours crafting the perfect drum kick, or whether he just lazily threw one on in 10 minutes based on some NI tutorial he found.

As an example: This guy recreated Smack My biatch Up in Ableton. Count how many samples were used and how they were textured. And the original was something Liam Howlett constructed with hardware back in 97.
 
2014-01-27 05:48:04 PM  

Mikey1969: mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]

You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.


I imagine they just send two random dudes to their press appearances.
 
2014-01-27 05:50:30 PM  

InmanRoshi: Paul McCartney has become the Dana Carvey impersonation of Paul McCartney.


yeah, i was torn between "this is farking cool!" and "this is kinda sad" on his and Ringo's performance.

and they showed Sean enough, I wondered if -- how could the "they" not have? -- grammy folks asked Sean and Dhani about a performance? (or even Julian.....althoughi think i read where he quit the music business about a decade ago.....actually that reminds me, someone on TFD a fwe months back mentioned going to some party in New York and meeting julian.  said he was really cool and really nice, a completely regular guy.  dunno.)
 
2014-01-27 05:59:03 PM  

Ishkur: And it sounds like it. You get what you pay for. It's easy to sample. It's not easy to sample well. But it's not just the instruments/samples, it's what is done with them. The mixing, mastering, EQing, envelopes, etc... are all important. I can actually tell when a producer has spent hours crafting the perfect drum kick, or whether he just lazily threw one on in 10 minutes based on some NI tutorial he found.


Four Tet has created some of the best electronic music in the history of the genre.  That is his actual studio.

Him and Burial are both pretty ridiculous in that their approach is simple, cheap, and has created some of the best music ever.

If you truly were able to tell when a producer had spent hours perfecting their track, you wouldn't have been so dismissive of the Reso track I linked to you the other day.  Reso is actually a brilliant producer, his recent cut on the Hospital anniversary compilation is one of the best drum n bass tracks out there at the moment.
 
2014-01-27 05:59:16 PM  

LewDux: Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?

Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage


If you're going to a listen to recording, you could save yourself $75 or so and listen at home, because if you're listening to the "producer", you might as well save the cabbage.
 
2014-01-27 06:26:48 PM  

rickythepenguin: impaler: What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?

Counterfeit concerts.

yeah, when i caught Kraftwerk a few years back, I obviously wondered, "what are they *really* doing up there?  I see lots of laptops and buttons ostensibly being pushed, dials being moved, knobs being turned, but......"

but then i realized, ITS farkING KRAFTWERK AND I SHOULD JUST ENJOY MYSELF.

And, i've told the story before of catchign U2 on the "Claw" tour, and i was very close tot he stage, maybe 10-15' out.  the angle I was at, i could see, based upon how he was standing an dholding his green Gretsch "The Goal Is Soul" guitar, that during whatever song ("One"? "Still Haven't Found..."?) he was *ahem* playing, his pluck hand was literally a good 3-4 inches off the strings.

oh, make no mistake, he was fretting chords just as you please, but, he was nowhere near the strings.  that pissed me off. is it worse that he wasn't playing, or worse that he wanted 62,000 people minues the dozen or so of with the perfect angle, to know he wasn't playing?

bono you fat irish bastard, don't lie to me.


I've heard this more than once, that Bono totally fakes playing guitar during "One" live.  Which is kinda weird- he's not the guitarist, the song stands on its own, no need to fake it.

Not sure if this is true- you apparently have visual confirmation.  I like U2 and love that song.  But still- kinda weird.
 
2014-01-27 06:32:05 PM  

Glitchwerks: Four Tet has created some of the best electronic music in the history of the genre. That is his actual studio.


I know who Four Tet is. He's in the new guide, relax. I wasn't criticizing him as a producer. I was criticizing that effort. Yes, it was made in 10 minutes. And it sounds like it.

(but I watched the thing and it wasn't truly made in 10 minutes. There was an awful lot of pre-planning that went into it, so he didn't have to spend too much time mucking around with settings and values to get the results he wanted. And he knew exactly what parts he wanted to sample to get some use out of them, and he had the MIDI already pre-written and queued. He probably spent a couple hours modelling the track, and the 10 minutes only recorded the execution. A lot of producers do that. You have to have an idea of what you want to do with the music first before you can just gonzo it)

Glitchwerks: If you truly were able to tell when a producer had spent hours perfecting their track, you wouldn't have been so dismissive of the Reso track I linked to you the other day.


Now you're talking about something completely different. I wasn't criticizing the Reso track because I thought it was made in a hurry or because it wasn't meticulously well-crafted, I was criticizing it because it was just plain awful.
 
2014-01-27 06:36:42 PM  

Glitchwerks: fonebone77: They actually play a lot of the instruments on a lot of their songs.  Also, sampling well is freaking hard and it takes a lot of talent to pull it off and not have it sound like crap.  They are making original music, they are just using different kinds of instruments.

No, it isn't hard at all.  Find sample, record, trim a bit at the beginning and end, loop.

Even when people were using the MPC it wasn't that hard to sample.  Now with Ableton people can produce a proper beat in 10 minutes or so.


This was my first sampler.

medias.audiofanzine.com

That unit is 29 years old.

Now, pretty much every device in my virtual rack in my DAW acts as a sampler, and it is extremely easy to work with.

I don't know why this "sampling is hard" argument keeps coming up. Perhaps he means "finding the right samples and doing the hundreds of other unrelated things involved with making a song into a hit is hard".
 
2014-01-27 06:45:13 PM  

Ishkur: I know who Four Tet is. He's in the new guide, relax. I wasn't criticizing him as a producer. I was criticizing that effort. Yes, it was made in 10 minutes. And it sounds like it.


The point was that it's not exactly difficult or complicated.

Daft Punk isn't really doing anything special.  What makes them popular is their image.  There's tons of producers who are making better music, it just isn't marketed anywhere close to the level that Daft Punk is.

Consider how many people feel Alive 2007 is one of the best live albums of all time.  It really isn't anything special on a technical level.  The music is mostly disposable house, honestly nothing all that special.  They're live set up is nothing more than Ableton with some controllers, same as a lot of artists use.

It's the whole spectacle of the light show that makes it so appealing.  That and the fact that most of their audience is basically ignorant of anything else that is electronic music.

Ishkur: Now you're talking about something completely different. I wasn't criticizing the Reso track because I thought it was made in a hurry or because it wasn't meticulously well-crafted, I was criticizing it because it was just plain awful.


Yeah, sorry, but you're dead wrong here.  You're biased though.
 
2014-01-27 06:54:47 PM  

Glitchwerks: The point was that it's not exactly difficult or complicated.


Who said it wasn't? Well, except for fonebone77 up there. But no one's listening to him.

Glitchwerks: Daft Punk isn't really doing anything special. What makes them popular is their image. There's tons of producers who are making better music, it just isn't marketed anywhere close to the level that Daft Punk is.


Look, I love Daft Punk and I've NEVER used them in arguments of who makes the best or even the most technically proficient music. That's not what they're there for.

Glitchwerks: Consider how many people feel Alive 2007 is one of the best live albums of all time. It really isn't anything special on a technical level. The music is mostly disposable house, honestly nothing all that special. They're live set up is nothing more than Ableton with some controllers, same as a lot of artists use.


Careful, your pretentious elitism is showing.

(and for the record, I've never seen them live. I don't see the point)

Glitchwerks: Yeah, sorry, but you're dead wrong here. You're biased though.


Well, you've sure convinced me. And accusing someone of bias in this scene is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.
 
2014-01-27 06:59:26 PM  

Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?

Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage

If you're going to a listen to recording, you could save yourself $75 or so and listen at home, because if you're listening to the "producer", you might as well save the cabbage.


That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented
 
2014-01-27 07:01:17 PM  

Ishkur: Careful, your pretentious elitism is showing.


Is that sarcasm?  Because pot meet kettle otherwise.  Not a very pretentious statement either, it's just basic facts.  Daft Punk simply don't have a lot of anthems in their back catalog.  A few hits, yes, but that's it.  They've also produced more than their fair share of complete garbage.

Ishkur: Well, you've sure convinced me.


I'm not going to bother convincing you, waste of time.  It is an excellent track.
 
2014-01-27 07:12:49 PM  
 
2014-01-27 07:14:28 PM  

Mikey1969: mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]

You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.


I read an article about how they get the helmets custom fitted and they actually have AC in some of them.
 
2014-01-27 07:16:30 PM  

LewDux: Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?

Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage

If you're going to a listen to recording, you could save yourself $75 or so and listen at home, because if you're listening to the "producer", you might as well save the cabbage.

That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented


Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...
 
2014-01-27 07:22:48 PM  

Glitchwerks: By the way, for those who think sampling is hard, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUDsVxBtVIg

This is Four Tet using a Fisher Price turntable and a Michael Jackson album to produce a track in 10 minutes.

While the end result isn't exactly great, it shows just how quickly you can work with software to produce something.  Absolutely no high end equipment here either, literally a toy record player and an old laptop.


That's all that really matters and also how whether it is hard or not doesn't matter either. Anyone can strum open chords after 10 minutes of practice, but putting them together in an interesting manner that is pleasing to the ears is what is hard to do. Many people find Daft Punk pleasing to their ears.
 
2014-01-27 07:23:41 PM  

Glitchwerks: Is that sarcasm?


I'm always sarcastic. Except when I'm not.

Glitchwerks:
Because pot meet kettle otherwise. Not a very pretentious statement either, it's just basic facts. Daft Punk simply don't have a lot of anthems in their back catalog. A few hits, yes, but that's it. They've also produced more than their fair share of complete garbage.


But that's a good thing. Anthems suck.
 
2014-01-27 07:25:37 PM  
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2014-01-27 07:26:33 PM  

Bane of Broone: That's all that really matters and also how whether it is hard or not doesn't matter either. Anyone can strum open chords after 10 minutes of practice, but putting them together in an interesting manner that is pleasing to the ears is what is hard to do. Many people find Daft Punk pleasing to their ears.


If those people actually listened to more music from that genre, they would find Daft Punk isn't all that special and their tracks are pretty forgettable.

As for Four Tet, here you go.  The guy knows how to make music.
 
2014-01-27 07:28:02 PM  

High Five State!: Mikey1969: mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]

You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.

I read an article about how they get the helmets custom fitted and they actually have AC in some of them.


That would make sense, but it would still get kinda heavy... I just had a big floppy hat I wore when hiking and stuff, and by the end of the day even that thing felt heavy. I can imagine one of those helmets after a few hours.

Maybe they have LCD screens in them, and the whole time they are up on stage, they're really surfing the 'net, watching movies, checking their email, etc., and the control panel thing isn't actually a sound board but a custom keyboard?
 
2014-01-27 07:28:15 PM  

Ishkur: But that's a good thing. Anthems suck.


Yeah, all of Orbital's anthems...complete suckage.  What were they thinking?
 
2014-01-27 07:29:45 PM  

Glitchwerks: If those people actually listened to more music from that genre, they would find Daft Punk isn't all that special and their tracks are pretty forgettable.


Which genre? French House, the genre Daft Punk invented?
 
2014-01-27 07:30:56 PM  

Ishkur: Which genre? French House, the genre Daft Punk invented?


Yes, when they swiped filter house from Carl Craig.
 
2014-01-27 07:31:52 PM  

Glitchwerks: Yeah, all of Orbital's anthems...complete suckage. What were they thinking?


Orbital doesn't have any anthems.

Well, maybe Golden Girls - Kinetic.
 
2014-01-27 07:33:59 PM  

Glitchwerks: Yes, when they swiped filter house from Carl Craig.


You mean DJ Sneak? ...sure.
 
2014-01-27 07:34:02 PM  

Ishkur: Well, maybe Golden Girls - Kinetic.


And "Chime."

And "Doctor!"

And...
 
2014-01-27 07:34:13 PM  

Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...


I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus
 
2014-01-27 07:39:14 PM  

Glitchwerks: As for Four Tet, here you go. The guy knows how to make music.


Now that wasn't bad. It wasn't super stellar, but nothing despicable about it. I'm grabbing Pink right now to see what the rest of the album is like. It sounds like something that might've gone over well in the late 90s... it has a kind of loungey feel to it that was prevalent back then. Interesting how much throwback stuff there is these days.
 
2014-01-27 07:42:47 PM  

Ishkur: You mean DJ Sneak? ...sure.


Bangalter himself said they got their style from Craig, so nice try.
 
2014-01-27 07:46:27 PM  

LewDux: Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...

I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus


That's because they use house sound systems to actually produce the sound. The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp. Of course, one so knowledgeable as yourself about what constitutes performing vs. standing there listening to a recording you previously made would know that already, I'm sure...

As for "playing music they've already recorded", a live performance is just that-live. A "live" performance of people who don't play musical instruments, except for back in the studio, is nothing but playing a recording.
 
2014-01-27 07:46:44 PM  

Glitchwerks: And "Chime."
And "Doctor!"


No, none of those are anthems. Maybe Chime Crime, but considering at the time of its release, this was an anthem, you can see the discrepancy. Doctor was a gimmick track. Timelords did it better.
 
2014-01-27 07:50:09 PM  

Glitchwerks: Bangalter himself said they got their style from Craig, so nice try.


[citation needed]

Because I have mix sets of Bangalter and Sneak tag-teaming back in 96, playing filthy filtered disco house at +8.
 
2014-01-27 07:52:27 PM  

Ishkur: No, none of those are anthems.


Yeah, because absolutely no one screams or throws their hands up when they hear "Doctor."  People just hate hearing that track!

Ishkur: this was an anthem, you can see the discrepancy.


Nah, it wasn't.

Ishkur: Doctor was a gimmick track. Timelords did it better.


Nah, they didn't.  The book and the fact that they made the charts with an intentionally disposable piece of rubbish was funny though, but everyone knows the JAMs were the best.
 
2014-01-27 07:56:28 PM  

Ishkur: Because I have mix sets of Bangalter and Sneak tag-teaming back in 96, playing filthy filtered disco house at +8.


From Discogs itself:

Although a lot of people credit him for the invention of 'filtered house', he cited Carl Craig AKA Paperclip People ("Throw") and Kenny "Dope" Gonzalez as precursors of the style.
 
2014-01-27 07:57:04 PM  

Glitchwerks: Yeah, because absolutely no one screams or throws their hands up when they hear "Doctor." People just hate hearing that track!


Sure, but that doesn't make it an anthem. I feel like we're talking past each other. You know what defines anthem music, right?

Glitchwerks: The book and the fact that they made the charts with an intentionally disposable piece of rubbish was funny though, but everyone knows the JAMs were the best.


Yes, but the KLF did invent Anthem (aka Stadium) House. And Orbital made nothing that sounded anything like it.
 
2014-01-27 07:59:50 PM  

Glitchwerks: From Discogs itself:


As per my three rules:

1) Lord Discogs knows all. Except when I know more.
 
2014-01-27 08:00:33 PM  

Ishkur: Sure, but that doesn't make it an anthem. I feel like we're talking past each other. You know what defines anthem music, right?


It's an anthem.

Ishkur: Yes, but the KLF did invent Anthem (aka Stadium) House. And Orbital made nothing that sounded anything like it.


Anthems have been around since before the KLF.
 
2014-01-27 08:01:12 PM  

Glitchwerks: It's an anthem.


how so?

Glitchwerks: Anthems have been around since before the KLF.


such as?
 
2014-01-27 08:02:58 PM  

Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...

I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus

That's because they use house sound systems to actually produce the sound. The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp. Of course, one so knowledgeable as yourself about what constitutes performing vs. standing there listening to a recording you previously made would know that already, I'm sure...

As for "playing music they've already recorded", a live performance is just that-live. A "live" performance of people who don't play musical instruments, except for back in the studio, is nothing but playing a recording.


They still play old sequences of sounds, especially in Classical music with their completely over-rated conductors
/What if your understanding of producer music is as good as my understanding of real music? Nah..
 
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