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2014-01-27 01:39:27 PM
Was that really a Daft Punk performance or Pharrel, Stevie Wonder, Nile Rogers and some other musicians. Cause you aren't going to see all of them in a single concert.
 
2014-01-27 01:59:16 PM
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2014-01-27 02:22:06 PM
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Love that song.
 
2014-01-27 02:22:44 PM
You mean Nile Rogers, Nathan East, Omar Hakim and Pharell should go on tour, right subby?
 
2014-01-27 02:23:37 PM

Sybarite: So fans want them to tour around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world, around the world?


Should have read the thread.  Only two damn posts.  Could have saved me sure-fire embarrassment.
 
2014-01-27 03:11:04 PM

Charlie Freak: You mean Nile Rogers, Nathan East, Omar Hakim and Pharell should go on tour, right subby?


The Daft Punk dudes have an important job to do. Pushing fake buttons behind the band isn't as easy as it seems.
 
2014-01-27 03:27:40 PM
What da funk?
 
2014-01-27 03:29:42 PM

mediablitz: Charlie Freak: You mean Nile Rogers, Nathan East, Omar Hakim and Pharell should go on tour, right subby?

The Daft Punk dudes have an important job to do. Pushing fake buttons behind the band isn't as easy as it seems.


Granted it could have been pre-recorded, they do mix on the fly.

To steal the quote on Wikipedia for the Alive 2007 shows.

"The Alive 2007 set used Ableton Live software on "custom made super-computers"[7] for the show. Daft Punk accessed the hardware remotely with Behringer BCR2000 MIDI controllers and JazzMutant Lemur touchscreen pads within the central pyramid. Minimoog Voyager RME[7] units were also implemented for the live performances. The four Voyager units and two Behringer mixers allowed Daft Punk to "mix, shuffle, trigger loops, filter, distort samples, EQ in and out, transpose or destroy and deconstruct synth lines." The majority of the equipment was stored away during the live sets within offstage towers "

You can see them using the Lemur's during their previous Grammy appearance with Kayne.

Alive 2007 is a pretty good album to hear them mashing up and changing their songs live.
 
2014-01-27 03:29:47 PM
Play Bonnaroo you bastards!!!!
 
2014-01-27 03:32:44 PM

Girion47: Play Bonnaroo you bastards!!!!


And Lolla. Again.
 
2014-01-27 03:33:52 PM

busy chillin': What da funk?


Daft Punk is what you listen to after you've puft dank.
 
2014-01-27 03:35:36 PM

mjones73: mediablitz: Charlie Freak: You mean Nile Rogers, Nathan East, Omar Hakim and Pharell should go on tour, right subby?

The Daft Punk dudes have an important job to do. Pushing fake buttons behind the band isn't as easy as it seems.

Granted it could have been pre-recorded, they do mix on the fly.

To steal the quote on Wikipedia for the Alive 2007 shows.

"The Alive 2007 set used Ableton Live software on "custom made super-computers"[7] for the show. Daft Punk accessed the hardware remotely with Behringer BCR2000 MIDI controllers and JazzMutant Lemur touchscreen pads within the central pyramid. Minimoog Voyager RME[7] units were also implemented for the live performances. The four Voyager units and two Behringer mixers allowed Daft Punk to "mix, shuffle, trigger loops, filter, distort samples, EQ in and out, transpose or destroy and deconstruct synth lines." The majority of the equipment was stored away during the live sets within offstage towers "

You can see them using the Lemur's during their previous Grammy appearance with Kayne.

Alive 2007 is a pretty good album to hear them mashing up and changing their songs live.


Pretty much this.  Alive was a great album and an absolutely awesome event.  But therein lies the issue.  Now Daft Punk needs to take RAM and make their own mash-up/remix album out of it, then tour the world playing THAT set.  Or, since Alive was a mash-up of multiple albums, make an updated set to include the RAM album now and tour again.
 
2014-01-27 03:40:05 PM

mjones73: Granted it could have been pre-recorded, they do mix on the fly.


I am very aware. LAst night's grammy was not one of those times. Did you see the "panel"?
 
2014-01-27 03:41:35 PM
Royksopp does electronic way better than these guys ever did.

And I would add that Daft Punk's songs are too repetitive, but that was covered upthread.
 
2014-01-27 03:46:55 PM
Where's the mouse-head thing?
 
2014-01-27 03:47:29 PM
trivia:  they got their name from a review when these two were in a french guitar-based band (not sure about that part, but i think that's what was printed in a music mag I read) and a negative review said the band's sound resembled "daft punk".  the band dissolved, these two formed their own thing, and borrowed the dismissive reviews's dig as their band name.


I thought their thing with Stevie was farking fantastic.  I said in anothe rthread it reminded me of a Grateful Dead style transition, how they went from their big hit to Stevie's song, which I think was on "Hotter Than July, circa 1983.  seamless.  farking awesome.
 
2014-01-27 03:49:59 PM

mjones73: Granted it could have been pre-recorded, they do mix on the fly.

To steal the quote on Wikipedia for the Alive 2007 shows.

"The Alive 2007 set used Ableton Live software on "custom made super-computers"[7] for the show. Daft Punk accessed the hardware remotely with Behringer BCR2000 MIDI controllers and JazzMutant Lemur touchscreen pads within the central pyramid. Minimoog Voyager RME[7] units were also implemented for the live performances. The four Voyager units and two Behringer mixers allowed Daft Punk to "mix, shuffle, trigger loops, filter, distort samples, EQ in and out, transpose or destroy and deconstruct synth lines." The majority of the equipment was stored away during the live sets within offstage towers "


You know that's not all that complicated to do, right?
 
2014-01-27 03:52:20 PM
Listened to my LP Herbie Hancock - Sunlight

Kids asked during a song, not really sure, "Dad, is that daft punk?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_55JoURq1Q
 
2014-01-27 03:52:42 PM

mediablitz: Charlie Freak: You mean Nile Rogers, Nathan East, Omar Hakim and Pharell should go on tour, right subby?

The Daft Punk dudes have an important job to do. Pushing fake buttons behind the band isn't as easy as it seems.


Exactly.
 
2014-01-27 03:53:34 PM
I'm just itchin' to get my dance on, boys. I'm going to roar on that dancefloor.
 
2014-01-27 03:54:29 PM
Daft Punk is good. So is Royksopp. Would love to see DP tour again. Alive 2007 show on Coney Island was one of the best shows I've ever been to, if not the best.
 
2014-01-27 03:55:00 PM

Cymbal: Royksopp does electronic way better than these guys ever did.

And I would add that Daft Punk's songs are too repetitive, but that was covered upthread.


Further proof there are elitest snobby dicks in every fandom EVER.
 
2014-01-27 03:55:49 PM
One of the best live shows I've ever seen.  Lolla 2007.
 
2014-01-27 04:00:53 PM
What's everyone posting in this thread for? Get out of your chairs and dance! Whooooo! Dancin! Yeah!
 
2014-01-27 04:08:15 PM

browntimmy: What's everyone posting in this thread for? Get out of your chairs and dance! Whooooo! Dancin! Yeah!


Daft Punk has kept my 70's disco flashback going strong for nearly a year now.
 
2014-01-27 04:20:50 PM

Glitchwerks: mjones73: Granted it could have been pre-recorded, they do mix on the fly.

To steal the quote on Wikipedia for the Alive 2007 shows.

"The Alive 2007 set used Ableton Live software on "custom made super-computers"[7] for the show. Daft Punk accessed the hardware remotely with Behringer BCR2000 MIDI controllers and JazzMutant Lemur touchscreen pads within the central pyramid. Minimoog Voyager RME[7] units were also implemented for the live performances. The four Voyager units and two Behringer mixers allowed Daft Punk to "mix, shuffle, trigger loops, filter, distort samples, EQ in and out, transpose or destroy and deconstruct synth lines." The majority of the equipment was stored away during the live sets within offstage towers "

You know that's not all that complicated to do, right?


I didn't say it was complicated, just their live set up allowed them to do that. :)
 
2014-01-27 04:21:49 PM
I'll admit to being the 30 year old "old man" - I don't get it.  It's essentially two guys in Tron outfits playing Atari while their pre-recorded song plays in the background.  How is that any different than Milli Vanilli?
 
2014-01-27 04:22:40 PM

mediablitz: Daft Punk has kept my 70's disco flashback going strong for nearly a year now.


You needed Daft Punk for that?

/you should really, like, listen to more disco
 
2014-01-27 04:25:33 PM

SunsetLament: I'll admit to being the 30 year old "old man" - I don't get it.  It's essentially two guys in Tron outfits playing Atari while their pre-recorded song plays in the background.  How is that any different than Milli Vanilli?


Milli Vanilli weren't musicians and had no part whatsoever in making the music produced by Frank Farian. They were models hired for the stage show and videos.

These guys -- Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo and Thomas Bangalter -- are the producers who made the music.
 
2014-01-27 04:25:51 PM
 
2014-01-27 04:26:42 PM

SunsetLament: I'll admit to being the 30 year old "old man" - I don't get it.  It's essentially two guys in Tron outfits playing Atari while their pre-recorded song plays in the background.  How is that any different than Milli Vanilli?


They don't have to bother lip-syncing.

/likes Daft Punk quite a bit
 
2014-01-27 04:27:24 PM
Are they still beating that get lucky thing to death? it was an enjoyable enough groove the first 173, 874 times I heard it.
 
2014-01-27 04:28:16 PM

Ishkur: These guys -- Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo and Thomas Bangalter -- are the producers who made the music.


Which basically involves sampling someone else's music, looping it, and filtering it.  Or in the case of "RAM," hiring other musicians to play for them.

I get that people like Daft Punk, but they are so amazingly overrated it's just stupid.
 
2014-01-27 04:29:21 PM

Ishkur: mediablitz: Daft Punk has kept my 70's disco flashback going strong for nearly a year now.

You needed Daft Punk for that?

/you should really, like, listen to more disco


It's Stayin' Alive
 
2014-01-27 04:31:42 PM

Cymbal: Royksopp does electronic way better than these guys ever did.


Yes, but Eple was the post-installation music in Mac OS 10.3, so they are to be reviled as a Walmart-hating hipster chai-latte neckbeard band. Daft Punk has never sold out, so they remain a pristine new band full of great ideas and a fresh perspective on the music industry.
 
2014-01-27 04:32:25 PM

BizarreMan: Was that really a Daft Punk performance or Pharrel, Stevie Wonder, Nile Rogers and some other musicians. Cause you aren't going to see all of them in a single concert.


Kinda thought the same thing myself... Hell, they weren't even there for the first 2/3 of the song. Don't get me wrong, it's a catchy song, but I don't really get what they 'do'. At least when someone pointed to a rap act, you could point to the vocals, the DJ and sometimes live music. Here. it really just looks like they push buttons at the right time. Which is cool when you are producing the song, but playing a song you have already recorded, it's like hitting 'play' on iTunes.

On top of that, WTF is THIS supposed to mean?
If you couldn't tell, Daft Punk completely altered their sound board from the alive tour.. New tour coming? Let's hope,

Do they just mean the piece of equipment that was mostly a prop that they were standing behind? People read WAY too much into far too little.
 
2014-01-27 04:36:35 PM
What amazes me is that with all of people's absolute abhorrent tastes in music, Daft Punk, seems to be one of the few artists that even "those people" can identify with, which is amazing to me since the same people would not even give a second look at anything remotely similar to Daft Punk. They seem to be an anomaly, which is intriguing to me.
 
2014-01-27 04:41:02 PM
Ishkur:
People called Wild Idler, they go, the Guide?
 
2014-01-27 04:43:09 PM
The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh, by the way, which one's Punk.
 
2014-01-27 04:44:19 PM

shifty lookin bleeder: The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh, by the way, which one's Punk.


Moody Blues FTW!!!!!!
 
2014-01-27 05:00:22 PM

rickythepenguin: shifty lookin bleeder: The band is just fantastic, that is really what I think. Oh, by the way, which one's Punk.

Moody Blues FTW!!!!!!


Knights for White Satan is pretty much my favorite song. Thanks!
 
2014-01-27 05:03:17 PM
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2014-01-27 05:04:14 PM

Milk D: One of the best live shows I've ever seen.  Lolla 2007.


This.
 
2014-01-27 05:12:26 PM

Glitchwerks: Which basically involves sampling someone else's music, looping it, and filtering it.


You say that like it's a bad thing.
 
2014-01-27 05:14:07 PM

Oakenshield: Daft Punk has never sold out,


que?
 
2014-01-27 05:15:25 PM

Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.


They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?
 
2014-01-27 05:17:11 PM
What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?

Counterfeit concerts.
 
2014-01-27 05:18:35 PM

Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?


Guys who get BJs from hot models, and then give directors money to make things, often staring said hot model?
 
2014-01-27 05:23:01 PM

Glitchwerks: Ishkur: These guys -- Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo and Thomas Bangalter -- are the producers who made the music.

Which basically involves sampling someone else's music, looping it, and filtering it.  Or in the case of "RAM," hiring other musicians to play for them.

I get that people like Daft Punk, but they are so amazingly overrated it's just stupid.


They actually play a lot of the instruments on a lot of their songs.  Also, sampling well is freaking hard and it takes a lot of talent to pull it off and not have it sound like crap.  They are making original music, they are just using different kinds of instruments.
 
2014-01-27 05:24:08 PM

impaler: What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?

Counterfeit concerts.


Nothing, which is essentially what a ton of DJs are doing nowadays.

Ishkur: You say that like it's a bad thing.


I say it as a matter of fact kind of thing.  I'm more impressed by artists who do their sound design entirely themselves without relying on other people's hooks.
 
2014-01-27 05:25:01 PM

impaler: What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?

Counterfeit concerts.


yeah, when i caught Kraftwerk a few years back, I obviously wondered, "what are they *really* doing up there?  I see lots of laptops and buttons ostensibly being pushed, dials being moved, knobs being turned, but......"

but then i realized, ITS farkING KRAFTWERK AND I SHOULD JUST ENJOY MYSELF.

And, i've told the story before of catchign U2 on the "Claw" tour, and i was very close tot he stage, maybe 10-15' out.  the angle I was at, i could see, based upon how he was standing an dholding his green Gretsch "The Goal Is Soul" guitar, that during whatever song ("One"? "Still Haven't Found..."?) he was *ahem* playing, his pluck hand was literally a good 3-4 inches off the strings.

oh, make no mistake, he was fretting chords just as you please, but, he was nowhere near the strings.  that pissed me off. is it worse that he wasn't playing, or worse that he wanted 62,000 people minues the dozen or so of with the perfect angle, to know he wasn't playing?

bono you fat irish bastard, don't lie to me.
 
2014-01-27 05:25:58 PM

Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?


Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?
 
2014-01-27 05:27:12 PM

fonebone77: They actually play a lot of the instruments on a lot of their songs.  Also, sampling well is freaking hard and it takes a lot of talent to pull it off and not have it sound like crap.  They are making original music, they are just using different kinds of instruments.


No, it isn't hard at all.  Find sample, record, trim a bit at the beginning and end, loop.

Even when people were using the MPC it wasn't that hard to sample.  Now with Ableton people can produce a proper beat in 10 minutes or so.
 
2014-01-27 05:30:24 PM

SunsetLament: I'll admit to being the 30 year old "old man" - I don't get it.  It's essentially two guys in Tron outfits playing Atari while their pre-recorded song plays in the background.  How is that any different than Milli Vanilli?


Two things:

1. Milli Vanilli cannot appear as a live duo on the Grammy's, due to that one dude being dead.
2. Daft Punk has helmets. Milli Vanilli had hair. Fabulous, fabulous locks...
 
2014-01-27 05:32:14 PM

mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]


You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.
 
2014-01-27 05:32:50 PM

impaler: What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?


That would constitute as fraud. And, incidentally, not the first time that's happened.
 
2014-01-27 05:35:20 PM

Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?


Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage
 
2014-01-27 05:37:20 PM
By the way, for those who think sampling is hard, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUDsVxBtVIg

This is Four Tet using a Fisher Price turntable and a Michael Jackson album to produce a track in 10 minutes.

While the end result isn't exactly great, it shows just how quickly you can work with software to produce something.  Absolutely no high end equipment here either, literally a toy record player and an old laptop.
 
2014-01-27 05:38:19 PM

Mikey1969: I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.


Right. But you have noticed over the past three decades as software has overtaken everything else to become the most important musical apparatus in every music studio, that subsequently that the producer has overtaken all other pieces as the most important part of a musical outfit, right?

So when they "go on tour", what is it that YOU think they're doing?


Now here's what I think you should do: Not worry about it. This is dance music. You shouldn't be paying attention to them anyway. Every producer who comes out with an ostentatious stage show trying to be a rockstar is to be shunned. The music is what matters. Not him. Don't give in to idolatry. Attend, dance, have fun. They are not the center of attention.
 
2014-01-27 05:40:43 PM
Don't really care about the robot dudes, but I would love to see a Nathan East and Omar Hakim rhythm section go on tour.
 
2014-01-27 05:44:34 PM
Paul McCartney has become the Dana Carvey impersonation of Paul McCartney.
 
2014-01-27 05:47:28 PM

Glitchwerks: This is Four Tet using a Fisher Price turntable and a Michael Jackson album to produce a track in 10 minutes.


And it sounds like it. You get what you pay for. It's easy to sample. It's not easy to sample well. But it's not just the instruments/samples, it's what is done with them. The mixing, mastering, EQing, envelopes, etc... are all important. I can actually tell when a producer has spent hours crafting the perfect drum kick, or whether he just lazily threw one on in 10 minutes based on some NI tutorial he found.

As an example: This guy recreated Smack My biatch Up in Ableton. Count how many samples were used and how they were textured. And the original was something Liam Howlett constructed with hardware back in 97.
 
2014-01-27 05:48:04 PM

Mikey1969: mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]

You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.


I imagine they just send two random dudes to their press appearances.
 
2014-01-27 05:50:30 PM

InmanRoshi: Paul McCartney has become the Dana Carvey impersonation of Paul McCartney.


yeah, i was torn between "this is farking cool!" and "this is kinda sad" on his and Ringo's performance.

and they showed Sean enough, I wondered if -- how could the "they" not have? -- grammy folks asked Sean and Dhani about a performance? (or even Julian.....althoughi think i read where he quit the music business about a decade ago.....actually that reminds me, someone on TFD a fwe months back mentioned going to some party in New York and meeting julian.  said he was really cool and really nice, a completely regular guy.  dunno.)
 
2014-01-27 05:59:03 PM

Ishkur: And it sounds like it. You get what you pay for. It's easy to sample. It's not easy to sample well. But it's not just the instruments/samples, it's what is done with them. The mixing, mastering, EQing, envelopes, etc... are all important. I can actually tell when a producer has spent hours crafting the perfect drum kick, or whether he just lazily threw one on in 10 minutes based on some NI tutorial he found.


Four Tet has created some of the best electronic music in the history of the genre.  That is his actual studio.

Him and Burial are both pretty ridiculous in that their approach is simple, cheap, and has created some of the best music ever.

If you truly were able to tell when a producer had spent hours perfecting their track, you wouldn't have been so dismissive of the Reso track I linked to you the other day.  Reso is actually a brilliant producer, his recent cut on the Hospital anniversary compilation is one of the best drum n bass tracks out there at the moment.
 
2014-01-27 05:59:16 PM

LewDux: Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?

Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage


If you're going to a listen to recording, you could save yourself $75 or so and listen at home, because if you're listening to the "producer", you might as well save the cabbage.
 
2014-01-27 06:26:48 PM

rickythepenguin: impaler: What's to stop a couple random guys from putting on shiny helmets, hook up a Daft Punk album to a good system, and play video games on stage while they let the music blare?

Counterfeit concerts.

yeah, when i caught Kraftwerk a few years back, I obviously wondered, "what are they *really* doing up there?  I see lots of laptops and buttons ostensibly being pushed, dials being moved, knobs being turned, but......"

but then i realized, ITS farkING KRAFTWERK AND I SHOULD JUST ENJOY MYSELF.

And, i've told the story before of catchign U2 on the "Claw" tour, and i was very close tot he stage, maybe 10-15' out.  the angle I was at, i could see, based upon how he was standing an dholding his green Gretsch "The Goal Is Soul" guitar, that during whatever song ("One"? "Still Haven't Found..."?) he was *ahem* playing, his pluck hand was literally a good 3-4 inches off the strings.

oh, make no mistake, he was fretting chords just as you please, but, he was nowhere near the strings.  that pissed me off. is it worse that he wasn't playing, or worse that he wanted 62,000 people minues the dozen or so of with the perfect angle, to know he wasn't playing?

bono you fat irish bastard, don't lie to me.


I've heard this more than once, that Bono totally fakes playing guitar during "One" live.  Which is kinda weird- he's not the guitarist, the song stands on its own, no need to fake it.

Not sure if this is true- you apparently have visual confirmation.  I like U2 and love that song.  But still- kinda weird.
 
2014-01-27 06:32:05 PM

Glitchwerks: Four Tet has created some of the best electronic music in the history of the genre. That is his actual studio.


I know who Four Tet is. He's in the new guide, relax. I wasn't criticizing him as a producer. I was criticizing that effort. Yes, it was made in 10 minutes. And it sounds like it.

(but I watched the thing and it wasn't truly made in 10 minutes. There was an awful lot of pre-planning that went into it, so he didn't have to spend too much time mucking around with settings and values to get the results he wanted. And he knew exactly what parts he wanted to sample to get some use out of them, and he had the MIDI already pre-written and queued. He probably spent a couple hours modelling the track, and the 10 minutes only recorded the execution. A lot of producers do that. You have to have an idea of what you want to do with the music first before you can just gonzo it)

Glitchwerks: If you truly were able to tell when a producer had spent hours perfecting their track, you wouldn't have been so dismissive of the Reso track I linked to you the other day.


Now you're talking about something completely different. I wasn't criticizing the Reso track because I thought it was made in a hurry or because it wasn't meticulously well-crafted, I was criticizing it because it was just plain awful.
 
2014-01-27 06:36:42 PM

Glitchwerks: fonebone77: They actually play a lot of the instruments on a lot of their songs.  Also, sampling well is freaking hard and it takes a lot of talent to pull it off and not have it sound like crap.  They are making original music, they are just using different kinds of instruments.

No, it isn't hard at all.  Find sample, record, trim a bit at the beginning and end, loop.

Even when people were using the MPC it wasn't that hard to sample.  Now with Ableton people can produce a proper beat in 10 minutes or so.


This was my first sampler.

medias.audiofanzine.com

That unit is 29 years old.

Now, pretty much every device in my virtual rack in my DAW acts as a sampler, and it is extremely easy to work with.

I don't know why this "sampling is hard" argument keeps coming up. Perhaps he means "finding the right samples and doing the hundreds of other unrelated things involved with making a song into a hit is hard".
 
2014-01-27 06:45:13 PM

Ishkur: I know who Four Tet is. He's in the new guide, relax. I wasn't criticizing him as a producer. I was criticizing that effort. Yes, it was made in 10 minutes. And it sounds like it.


The point was that it's not exactly difficult or complicated.

Daft Punk isn't really doing anything special.  What makes them popular is their image.  There's tons of producers who are making better music, it just isn't marketed anywhere close to the level that Daft Punk is.

Consider how many people feel Alive 2007 is one of the best live albums of all time.  It really isn't anything special on a technical level.  The music is mostly disposable house, honestly nothing all that special.  They're live set up is nothing more than Ableton with some controllers, same as a lot of artists use.

It's the whole spectacle of the light show that makes it so appealing.  That and the fact that most of their audience is basically ignorant of anything else that is electronic music.

Ishkur: Now you're talking about something completely different. I wasn't criticizing the Reso track because I thought it was made in a hurry or because it wasn't meticulously well-crafted, I was criticizing it because it was just plain awful.


Yeah, sorry, but you're dead wrong here.  You're biased though.
 
2014-01-27 06:54:47 PM

Glitchwerks: The point was that it's not exactly difficult or complicated.


Who said it wasn't? Well, except for fonebone77 up there. But no one's listening to him.

Glitchwerks: Daft Punk isn't really doing anything special. What makes them popular is their image. There's tons of producers who are making better music, it just isn't marketed anywhere close to the level that Daft Punk is.


Look, I love Daft Punk and I've NEVER used them in arguments of who makes the best or even the most technically proficient music. That's not what they're there for.

Glitchwerks: Consider how many people feel Alive 2007 is one of the best live albums of all time. It really isn't anything special on a technical level. The music is mostly disposable house, honestly nothing all that special. They're live set up is nothing more than Ableton with some controllers, same as a lot of artists use.


Careful, your pretentious elitism is showing.

(and for the record, I've never seen them live. I don't see the point)

Glitchwerks: Yeah, sorry, but you're dead wrong here. You're biased though.


Well, you've sure convinced me. And accusing someone of bias in this scene is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500.
 
2014-01-27 06:59:26 PM

Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?

Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage

If you're going to a listen to recording, you could save yourself $75 or so and listen at home, because if you're listening to the "producer", you might as well save the cabbage.


That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented
 
2014-01-27 07:01:17 PM

Ishkur: Careful, your pretentious elitism is showing.


Is that sarcasm?  Because pot meet kettle otherwise.  Not a very pretentious statement either, it's just basic facts.  Daft Punk simply don't have a lot of anthems in their back catalog.  A few hits, yes, but that's it.  They've also produced more than their fair share of complete garbage.

Ishkur: Well, you've sure convinced me.


I'm not going to bother convincing you, waste of time.  It is an excellent track.
 
2014-01-27 07:12:49 PM
 
2014-01-27 07:14:28 PM

Mikey1969: mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]

You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.


I read an article about how they get the helmets custom fitted and they actually have AC in some of them.
 
2014-01-27 07:16:30 PM

LewDux: Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: Ishkur: Mikey1969: I don't really get what they 'do'.

They are producers.

You know what a producer is, right?

Yeah, i now what producers do...

I also know what they DON'T do. They don't "Go on tour". They mix music in the studio.

Wait... You DO know what a producer is, right?

Producers play studios. Modern studios can easily fit on stage

If you're going to a listen to recording, you could save yourself $75 or so and listen at home, because if you're listening to the "producer", you might as well save the cabbage.

That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented


Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...
 
2014-01-27 07:22:48 PM

Glitchwerks: By the way, for those who think sampling is hard, here you go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUDsVxBtVIg

This is Four Tet using a Fisher Price turntable and a Michael Jackson album to produce a track in 10 minutes.

While the end result isn't exactly great, it shows just how quickly you can work with software to produce something.  Absolutely no high end equipment here either, literally a toy record player and an old laptop.


That's all that really matters and also how whether it is hard or not doesn't matter either. Anyone can strum open chords after 10 minutes of practice, but putting them together in an interesting manner that is pleasing to the ears is what is hard to do. Many people find Daft Punk pleasing to their ears.
 
2014-01-27 07:23:41 PM

Glitchwerks: Is that sarcasm?


I'm always sarcastic. Except when I'm not.

Glitchwerks:
Because pot meet kettle otherwise. Not a very pretentious statement either, it's just basic facts. Daft Punk simply don't have a lot of anthems in their back catalog. A few hits, yes, but that's it. They've also produced more than their fair share of complete garbage.


But that's a good thing. Anthems suck.
 
2014-01-27 07:25:37 PM
us.123rf.com...
charm.stanford.eduus.123rf.com
 
2014-01-27 07:26:33 PM

Bane of Broone: That's all that really matters and also how whether it is hard or not doesn't matter either. Anyone can strum open chords after 10 minutes of practice, but putting them together in an interesting manner that is pleasing to the ears is what is hard to do. Many people find Daft Punk pleasing to their ears.


If those people actually listened to more music from that genre, they would find Daft Punk isn't all that special and their tracks are pretty forgettable.

As for Four Tet, here you go.  The guy knows how to make music.
 
2014-01-27 07:28:02 PM

High Five State!: Mikey1969: mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]

You think they look back on the whole "always wear helmets" thing as a mistake? I know with KISS the makeup became a PITA, I gotta wonder about these guys sweating their asses off.

I read an article about how they get the helmets custom fitted and they actually have AC in some of them.


That would make sense, but it would still get kinda heavy... I just had a big floppy hat I wore when hiking and stuff, and by the end of the day even that thing felt heavy. I can imagine one of those helmets after a few hours.

Maybe they have LCD screens in them, and the whole time they are up on stage, they're really surfing the 'net, watching movies, checking their email, etc., and the control panel thing isn't actually a sound board but a custom keyboard?
 
2014-01-27 07:28:15 PM

Ishkur: But that's a good thing. Anthems suck.


Yeah, all of Orbital's anthems...complete suckage.  What were they thinking?
 
2014-01-27 07:29:45 PM

Glitchwerks: If those people actually listened to more music from that genre, they would find Daft Punk isn't all that special and their tracks are pretty forgettable.


Which genre? French House, the genre Daft Punk invented?
 
2014-01-27 07:30:56 PM

Ishkur: Which genre? French House, the genre Daft Punk invented?


Yes, when they swiped filter house from Carl Craig.
 
2014-01-27 07:31:52 PM

Glitchwerks: Yeah, all of Orbital's anthems...complete suckage. What were they thinking?


Orbital doesn't have any anthems.

Well, maybe Golden Girls - Kinetic.
 
2014-01-27 07:33:59 PM

Glitchwerks: Yes, when they swiped filter house from Carl Craig.


You mean DJ Sneak? ...sure.
 
2014-01-27 07:34:02 PM

Ishkur: Well, maybe Golden Girls - Kinetic.


And "Chime."

And "Doctor!"

And...
 
2014-01-27 07:34:13 PM

Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...


I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus
 
2014-01-27 07:39:14 PM

Glitchwerks: As for Four Tet, here you go. The guy knows how to make music.


Now that wasn't bad. It wasn't super stellar, but nothing despicable about it. I'm grabbing Pink right now to see what the rest of the album is like. It sounds like something that might've gone over well in the late 90s... it has a kind of loungey feel to it that was prevalent back then. Interesting how much throwback stuff there is these days.
 
2014-01-27 07:42:47 PM

Ishkur: You mean DJ Sneak? ...sure.


Bangalter himself said they got their style from Craig, so nice try.
 
2014-01-27 07:46:27 PM

LewDux: Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...

I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus


That's because they use house sound systems to actually produce the sound. The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp. Of course, one so knowledgeable as yourself about what constitutes performing vs. standing there listening to a recording you previously made would know that already, I'm sure...

As for "playing music they've already recorded", a live performance is just that-live. A "live" performance of people who don't play musical instruments, except for back in the studio, is nothing but playing a recording.
 
2014-01-27 07:46:44 PM

Glitchwerks: And "Chime."
And "Doctor!"


No, none of those are anthems. Maybe Chime Crime, but considering at the time of its release, this was an anthem, you can see the discrepancy. Doctor was a gimmick track. Timelords did it better.
 
2014-01-27 07:50:09 PM

Glitchwerks: Bangalter himself said they got their style from Craig, so nice try.


[citation needed]

Because I have mix sets of Bangalter and Sneak tag-teaming back in 96, playing filthy filtered disco house at +8.
 
2014-01-27 07:52:27 PM

Ishkur: No, none of those are anthems.


Yeah, because absolutely no one screams or throws their hands up when they hear "Doctor."  People just hate hearing that track!

Ishkur: this was an anthem, you can see the discrepancy.


Nah, it wasn't.

Ishkur: Doctor was a gimmick track. Timelords did it better.


Nah, they didn't.  The book and the fact that they made the charts with an intentionally disposable piece of rubbish was funny though, but everyone knows the JAMs were the best.
 
2014-01-27 07:56:28 PM

Ishkur: Because I have mix sets of Bangalter and Sneak tag-teaming back in 96, playing filthy filtered disco house at +8.


From Discogs itself:

Although a lot of people credit him for the invention of 'filtered house', he cited Carl Craig AKA Paperclip People ("Throw") and Kenny "Dope" Gonzalez as precursors of the style.
 
2014-01-27 07:57:04 PM

Glitchwerks: Yeah, because absolutely no one screams or throws their hands up when they hear "Doctor." People just hate hearing that track!


Sure, but that doesn't make it an anthem. I feel like we're talking past each other. You know what defines anthem music, right?

Glitchwerks: The book and the fact that they made the charts with an intentionally disposable piece of rubbish was funny though, but everyone knows the JAMs were the best.


Yes, but the KLF did invent Anthem (aka Stadium) House. And Orbital made nothing that sounded anything like it.
 
2014-01-27 07:59:50 PM

Glitchwerks: From Discogs itself:


As per my three rules:

1) Lord Discogs knows all. Except when I know more.
 
2014-01-27 08:00:33 PM

Ishkur: Sure, but that doesn't make it an anthem. I feel like we're talking past each other. You know what defines anthem music, right?


It's an anthem.

Ishkur: Yes, but the KLF did invent Anthem (aka Stadium) House. And Orbital made nothing that sounded anything like it.


Anthems have been around since before the KLF.
 
2014-01-27 08:01:12 PM

Glitchwerks: It's an anthem.


how so?

Glitchwerks: Anthems have been around since before the KLF.


such as?
 
2014-01-27 08:02:58 PM

Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...

I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus

That's because they use house sound systems to actually produce the sound. The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp. Of course, one so knowledgeable as yourself about what constitutes performing vs. standing there listening to a recording you previously made would know that already, I'm sure...

As for "playing music they've already recorded", a live performance is just that-live. A "live" performance of people who don't play musical instruments, except for back in the studio, is nothing but playing a recording.


They still play old sequences of sounds, especially in Classical music with their completely over-rated conductors
/What if your understanding of producer music is as good as my understanding of real music? Nah..
 
2014-01-27 08:03:37 PM

Ishkur: As per my three rules:

1) Lord Discogs knows all. Except when I know more.


Anyone can claim they know more, you actually have to prove that.
 
2014-01-27 08:04:40 PM

Ishkur: such as?


Go buy "Freedom Rock" and turn it up, man!
 
2014-01-27 08:08:47 PM

Glitchwerks: Anyone can claim they know more, you actually have to prove that.


No, I'm conceding on this front. While Paperclip People - Throw is not technically French House, it is an excellent example of the filter technique from which Daft Punk would derive their sound in the first ep a year later. I am absorbing this knowledge as I type and inserting it into the new guide, bolstering its accuracy and authenticity. And I have you to thank for that.

I never claim to know everything. But I know a lot -- usually more than everyone else -- and I will side with reason and evidence every time, irrespective of the source. No egos here.

You just have to be on your toes when you sling your shiat. I may come off as arrogant, but usually it's just skeptical curiosity.
 
2014-01-27 08:13:58 PM

Glitchwerks: Go buy "Freedom Rock" and turn it up, man!


What, this?

I'm.... not sure you're understanding this properly.

/note: the new generation doesn't call it anthem anymore. Now it's Big Room. Most of them don't even know what that means and shove everything from moombah to trouse under the label.
 
2014-01-27 08:15:43 PM

LewDux: Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...

I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus

That's because they use house sound systems to actually produce the sound. The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp. Of course, one so knowledgeable as yourself about what constitutes performing vs. standing there listening to a recording you previously made would know that already, I'm sure...

As for "playing music they've already recorded", a live performance is just that-live. A "live" performance of people who don't play musical instruments, except for back in the studio, is nothing but playing a recording.

They still play old sequences of sounds, especially in Classical music with their completely over-rated conductors
/What if your understanding of producer music is as good as my understanding of real music? Nah..


So you're comparing a live Symphony to two dudes on a computer? OK, got it.
 
2014-01-27 08:19:18 PM

Ishkur: I never claim to know everything. But I know a lot -- usually more than everyone else -- and I will side with reason and evidence every time, irrespective of the source. No egos here.


No one can claim to know everything in this style of music.  There's simply too much and people tend to specialize.  

I will say that I keep up with a decent portion of it, but I also tend to specialize.
 
2014-01-27 08:22:15 PM

Ishkur: As an example: This guy recreated Smack My biatch Up in Ableton. Count how many samples were used and how they were textured. And the original was something Liam Howlett constructed with hardware back in 97.


That is farking crazy.  Dude must have had a lot of time on his hands
 
2014-01-27 08:23:17 PM

Ishkur: I'm.... not sure you're understanding this properly.

/note: the new generation doesn't call it anthem anymore. Now it's Big Room. Most of them don't even know what that means and shove everything from moombah to trouse under the label.


Let's just agree we have semantic differences with what "anthem" is and leave it at that.

And, yes, I know of Big Room.  Certainly enough to avoid it and head to where "Peak Hour" is the term used.
 
2014-01-27 08:41:10 PM

Glitchwerks: No one can claim to know everything in this style of music. There's simply too much and people tend to specialize.


Despite the fact that I've catalogued over 10,000 tracks in over 200 genres and 30 scenes, it still feels like I've barely covered one tenth of one percent of what's actually out there. And the only thing I could confidently call myself a specialist on is Italo Disco. That's why I've employed liaisons on specific scenes to help me out with some of the nitty gritties. I have a jungle specialist, a techno specialist, an industrial specialist, etc...

But that's what makes it so fun! I love exploring. I love finding a new artist or label, and that leads to more labels and music, like opening a door in a maze and it leads to more doors, and they just keep expanding and fragmenting forever, and you never reach the end. No genre is ever fully complete. There is always more to learn.

I wouldn't do this if I didn't love it.
 
2014-01-27 08:41:38 PM
live concert?

So, what, they show up and press PLAY?

Awesome
 
2014-01-27 08:46:46 PM

Glitchwerks: Let's just agree we have semantic differences with what "anthem" is and leave it at that.


Just as long as you don't define it as something that gets popular (ie: hits). So every time you see a comp that says "Speed Garage Anthems Vol. 4"...... those aren't anthems, they're just hits. Even though it says anthem. Compilation makers are the dumbest shiats in the history of music and they're part of the problem that adds to the confusion.
 
2014-01-27 08:54:06 PM

Ishkur: Despite the fact that I've catalogued over 10,000 tracks in over 200 genres and 30 scenes, it still feels like I've barely covered one tenth of one percent of what's actually out there. And the only thing I could confidently call myself a specialist on is Italo Disco. That's why I've employed liaisons on specific scenes to help me out with some of the nitty gritties. I have a jungle specialist, a techno specialist, an industrial specialist, etc...


I'm well over 10,000 tracks.  :/

I'm just over 10,000 releases.

I specialize in dub techno, Detroit techno, industrial techno, atmospheric drum n bass, techstep, neurofunk, drone ambient, and such.

Ishkur: Just as long as you don't define it as something that gets popular (ie: hits).


I've been listening to breakbeat since "Radio Babylon" and "Charly"...I know what anthem means.  You may disagree with my definition, that's fine.  But when "Jaguar" plays, everybody knows what to do.
 
2014-01-27 09:13:53 PM

Glitchwerks: I'm well over 10,000 tracks


Indexed in a database by track, artist, year, genre, scene, and called via Python script into a visually appealing and custom coded map API?

Yeah, I probably have about 500 gigabytes worth of music in three separate hard drives. I'd love to put it all in the guide, and I will eventually, but let's just deal with, for now, the bare minimum required to establish the existence of a genre as defined by a group of similar-sounding songs.

Glitchwerks: I specialize in dub techno, Detroit techno, industrial techno, atmospheric drum n bass, techstep, neurofunk, drone ambient, and such.


If you're interested in helping out, by all means shoot me an email. I take in everything, shut out nothing, and everyone's input is encouraged. I am almost certain that you could probably come up with stuff that I haven't thought of, forcing me to correct my current path. But please don't wait til after the guide is launched to do that.

Glitchwerks: But when "Jaguar" plays, everybody knows what to do.


Right. And when it was released, this was the biggest anthem that year. You see the difference?

Unless you're up for creating a separate "anthem techno" category. But...... naaaaaah.
 
2014-01-27 09:18:46 PM
I rewatched Daft Punk's performance from last night. This might have been picked up already, but did anyone notice the robots dropped in samples from "Around the World" near the end, with about 20-30 seconds left to go? Farking brilliant.
 
2014-01-27 09:24:17 PM
Mikey1969: The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp.

What? I am confused, why would an amp be mic'd in an all-keyboard band? The only reason to ever mic an amp is to get the sound of the amp itself to contribute to the overall tone of a guitar or bass. Sound coloured by an amp is not something that a synth player ever wants, and the only time I have *ever* seen a synth amp mic'd was in a hole-in-the-wall bar without proper equipment to run a feed. Keyboard amps should be used as monitors for the performer, they're not to be heard by FOH.
 
2014-01-27 09:32:15 PM

Ishkur: Indexed in a database by track, artist, year, genre, scene, and called via Python script into a visually appealing and custom coded map API?


I use Foobar with a custom theme and have everything properly tagged with additional release information from Discogs including record label, catalog number, etc.  Autoplaylists set to collate record labels.

I think we differ on what we consider genres.  For example, I consider techno to be a style of the genre of electronic music.  I stick to sorting by record labels over genre and style though.

Ishkur: Yeah, I probably have about 500 gigabytes worth of music in three separate hard drives.


1.5 TB here.  There's more but it's not sorted and I find it hard to find the will to go through old stuff like Muslimgauze.

Ishkur: If you're interested in helping out, by all means shoot me an email.


I'll think about it.

Ishkur: Unless you're up for creating a separate "anthem techno" category. But...... naaaaaah.


Like I said, we'll agree to disagree!
 
2014-01-27 09:35:26 PM

Dragonflew: Mikey1969: The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp.

What? I am confused, why would an amp be mic'd in an all-keyboard band? The only reason to ever mic an amp is to get the sound of the amp itself to contribute to the overall tone of a guitar or bass. Sound coloured by an amp is not something that a synth player ever wants, and the only time I have *ever* seen a synth amp mic'd was in a hole-in-the-wall bar without proper equipment to run a feed. Keyboard amps should be used as monitors for the performer, they're not to be heard by FOH.


This is the picture in question. The OP was somehow saying something about this band having empty cabinets so Daft Punk are musical geniuses or something. I was explaining why a rock band doesn't actually use that wall of amps on stage, and that they are props.

http://metalinjection.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bla c k-Veil-Brides-fake-cabs.jpg
 
2014-01-27 09:42:58 PM

InmanRoshi: Don't really care about the robot dudes, but I would love to see a Nathan East and Omar Hakim rhythm section go on tour.



I second that.
 
2014-01-27 09:50:48 PM

Glitchwerks: Autoplaylists set to collate record labels.


I don't see the point. Most labels that specialize are only a handful of artists anyway. And everything is getting blurry in the age of Beatport and Soundcloud. But whatever. I do that too.

Glitchwerks: For example, I consider techno to be a style of the genre of electronic music. I stick to sorting by record labels over genre and style though.


That's too messy. It's actually easier to not look at the music itself, but rather the people who listen to it. What kind of people -- like yourself -- are into Techno? It's more than just a genre, it is a culture. It has a shared history of values and experience, distinct fashion and dance, and even a language in some cases.

You see these little single-music cultures all over electronic music. Some of them overlap, but most do not. I have labeled these little cultures "scenes", and have categorized about 30 of them in all of electronic music. Within these scenes, there are an endless number of genres and semi-genre and faux-genres and fights and arguments over which goes where, but outside of them the demarcations are pretty clear and evident.

Everything after that is just cataloguing and sorting. When I can get around to it.
 
2014-01-27 09:58:44 PM

mrEdude: live concert?

So, what, they show up and press PLAY?

Awesome


You're right. Musicians, much less electronic musicians, would NEVER improvise at a live show! Performing is never fun or interesting!

Homework, is required on playlist!
 
2014-01-27 09:58:52 PM

Mikey1969: This is the picture in question. The OP was somehow saying something about this band having empty cabinets so Daft Punk are musical geniuses or something. I was explaining why a rock band doesn't actually use that wall of amps on stage, and that they are props.

http://metalinjection.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bla c k-Veil-Brides-fake-cabs.jpg


Gotcha. Yeah, no one needs a wall of functioning amps on stage these days. The mains have plenty of power.

I like how Rush doesn't even try to fool people...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-27 10:11:11 PM

Ishkur: I don't see the point. Most labels that specialize are only a handful of artists anyway. And everything is getting blurry in the age of Beatport and Soundcloud. But whatever. I do that too.


It depends on the label.  Beatport is still very label oriented.  Did you mean Bandcamp?  That's certainly what has blurred things with all the self-released material.

Ishkur: That's too messy. It's actually easier to not look at the music itself, but rather the people who listen to it. What kind of people -- like yourself -- are into Techno? It's more than just a genre, it is a culture. It has a shared history of values and experience, distinct fashion and dance, and even a language in some cases.

You see these little single-music cultures all over electronic music. Some of them overlap, but most do not. I have labeled these little cultures "scenes", and have categorized about 30 of them in all of electronic music. Within these scenes, there are an endless number of genres and semi-genre and faux-genres and fights and arguments over which goes where, but outside of them the demarcations are pretty clear and evident.


That sounds to me like a bit of "how are your albums organized? autobiographically" a la High Fidelity.

Which is probably why I stick with the record labels themselves.
 
2014-01-27 10:21:57 PM

Dragonflew: Mikey1969: This is the picture in question. The OP was somehow saying something about this band having empty cabinets so Daft Punk are musical geniuses or something. I was explaining why a rock band doesn't actually use that wall of amps on stage, and that they are props.

http://metalinjection.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Bla c k-Veil-Brides-fake-cabs.jpg

Gotcha. Yeah, no one needs a wall of functioning amps on stage these days. The mains have plenty of power.

I like how Rush doesn't even try to fool people...


I like when they had the rotisserie on stage with all of the chickens in it. I only saw some pics, but somebody who was at the show said a stagehand would come out and baste them every once in awhile...
 
2014-01-27 10:49:42 PM
I absolutely do not get it at all.
But I am happy that others can derive some entertainment pleasure from it.
 
2014-01-27 10:52:34 PM

Glitchwerks: It depends on the label. Beatport is still very label oriented. Did you mean Bandcamp? That's certainly what has blurred things with all the self-released material.


And Mixcloud. It's getting really unnerving finding a lot of music that is not attache to anything. Not even Discogs keeps up with it anymore. Hard to verify releases. Especially in Chiptune.

Glitchwerks: That sounds to me like a bit of "how are your albums organized? autobiographically" a la High Fidelity.
Which is probably why I stick with the record labels themselves.


And then you come across ZYX or Virgin which doesn't work at all.

Anyways, you have no cause to complain. And if you do, by all means make your own music guide and right my wrongs.
 
2014-01-27 10:59:49 PM

doctor wu: InmanRoshi: Don't really care about the robot dudes, but I would love to see a Nathan East and Omar Hakim rhythm section go on tour.


I second that.


Don't forget Paul Jackson, Jr.

These guys have been all over a ton of AC, smooth jazz, and pop tracks for the last 30 years.

Dire Straits
Phil Collins
Sting
Madonna
Clapton
Toto
Elton John
Etc.
 
2014-01-27 11:01:09 PM

Ishkur: And then you come across ZYX or Virgin which doesn't work at all.


Not much of a problem there since I don't do ZYX and Virgin is limited to the few things like the Chems, FSoL, Photek, etc.

The majority of my music comes from labels like echospace [detroit], Tresor, Modern Love, Fokuz, GLR, Delsin, Ninja Tune, Warp, etc. and it all sorts quite nicely for me.

The only pain in the arse really are "Unknown Artist" releases from Hard Wax.  Those really obscure things with no information at all on them, but sometimes are killer tools.
 
2014-01-27 11:14:08 PM

Glitchwerks: Not much of a problem there since I don't do ZYX and Virgin is limited to the few things like the Chems, FSoL, Photek, etc.


I don't have that option. I need to cover everything.

See, you may have 1.5 TB of techno, but I have 500 GB of EVERYTHING. You may have three times more music, but I easily have 50 times more artists and labels. And the addictive completist in me finds more every day.

Glitchwerks: The only pain in the arse really are "Unknown Artist" releases from Hard Wax


Or Spiral Tribe. Didn't name anything, just recorded and released. It's like the thrash of techno.
 
2014-01-27 11:33:31 PM

Ishkur: I don't have that option. I need to cover everything.

See, you may have 1.5 TB of techno, but I have 500 GB of EVERYTHING. You may have three times more music, but I easily have 50 times more artists and labels. And the addictive completist in me finds more every day.


Don't get me wrong, it's not entirely techno, although that certainly is a significant portion of it.  I have music from more than a few styles but you are right that I don't have everything.  Of course, I don't want everything!  There are more than a few things I want nothing to do with.  I can't get into a discussion over who has more labels and artists, I simply don't know what you have.  This isn't anywhere near complete yet but:

http://www.last.fm/user/Glitchwerks

Honestly, I wouldn't enjoy listening to everything under the sun either.  Trance labels tend to shove 20+ new releases out the door everyday and I can't be bothered.
 
2014-01-27 11:48:07 PM

Glitchwerks: Honestly, I wouldn't enjoy listening to everything under the sun either. Trance labels tend to shove 20+ new releases out the door everyday and I can't be bothered.


I once spent a whole day going through about 1200 McProg/TwinkleProg tracks made between 2004 and 2010.

I kept 25 of them.

Also spent half a day consuming this. 8 hours and 100+ tracks of banal electro made in 2012. I think I kept one track.

There is a lot of shiat out there. But you have to slog through the shiat to find the gems. And that's what makes it all worthwhile.
 
2014-01-27 11:52:57 PM

Ishkur: I once spent a whole day going through about 1200 McProg/TwinkleProg tracks made between 2004 and 2010.

I kept 25 of them.

Also spent half a day consuming this. 8 hours and 100+ tracks of banal electro made in 2012. I think I kept one track.

There is a lot of shiat out there. But you have to slog through the shiat to find the gems. And that's what makes it all worthwhile.


Too much slogging with that.  I listen to new music every day too, but keeping the focus down means I generally have a much higher signal to noise ratio than 100+ tracks to only find 1 is a keeper.
 
2014-01-28 12:02:00 AM

Glitchwerks: Too much slogging with that.


Has to be done. My cross to bear.

Glitchwerks: I listen to new music every day too, but keeping the focus down means I generally have a much higher signal to noise ratio than 100+ tracks to only find 1 is a keeper.


Yeah, but your music is redundant. You're collecting more gems of the same stuff from the same people. I probably have more diversity than you just in Italo alone.
 
2014-01-28 12:22:59 AM

Ishkur: Yeah, but your music is redundant. You're collecting more gems of the same stuff from the same people. I probably have more diversity than you just in Italo alone.


Those are just basically assumptions on your part.  You have to actually show your collection to validate any sort of statements like those.  I think they are incorrect assumptions, but, well, you can view my Last.FM profile and decide for yourself.

That's it for me for tonight though.
 
2014-01-28 12:38:44 AM

Glitchwerks: Those are just basically assumptions on your part.


No, its hyperbole dude. Sheesh, get the stick out of your bum. I've been farking with you this whole time.
 
2014-01-28 12:45:51 AM
I have loved Daft Punk for years. However I would probably not go see them live. EDM live is just not my thing.

Saw The KLF" supposedly live in 1992 in Dallas. The KLF guys were not even there.  They just had some people lip synching to a tape.  Not cool.  Not cool at all.
 
2014-01-28 12:59:29 AM

paulleah: Saw The KLF" supposedly live in 1992 in Dallas. The KLF guys were not even there. They just had some people lip synching to a tape. Not cool. Not cool at all.


That would be Wanda Dee and the "KLF Experience". She was a one-time vocalist guest-starring as one of the many, many, MANY samples that Bill and Jimmy used (the "I wanna see you sweat" diva). What she was doing was illegal. You got ripped off.

The KLF never performed stateside to my knowledge.
 
2014-01-28 01:19:32 AM

Ishkur: Glitchwerks: Honestly, I wouldn't enjoy listening to everything under the sun either. Trance labels tend to shove 20+ new releases out the door everyday and I can't be bothered.

I once spent a whole day going through about 1200 McProg/TwinkleProg tracks made between 2004 and 2010.

I kept 25 of them.

Also spent half a day consuming this. 8 hours and 100+ tracks of banal electro made in 2012. I think I kept one track.

There is a lot of shiat out there. But you have to slog through the shiat to find the gems. And that's what makes it all worthwhile.


Amateur question here.  If you're slogging through 100+ tracks in a single session can you give songs in the last hour, the same listen honest appraisal that you give songs in the first hour?

It would seem to me that to take a term from cooking you would need to cleanse  your palate.  Otherwise tracks from the same or similar artists can all begin to run together.  At which point everything sounds good, or everything sounds like crap.
 
2014-01-28 01:48:23 AM

BizarreMan: Amateur question here. If you're slogging through 100+ tracks in a single session can you give songs in the last hour, the same listen honest appraisal that you give songs in the first hour?
It would seem to me that to take a term from cooking you would need to cleanse your palate. Otherwise tracks from the same or similar artists can all begin to run together. At which point everything sounds good, or everything sounds like crap.


That happens all the time. Most recently it happened with Oldskool Rave Hardcore. I had about 500 tracks from 93/94 and decided to listen to them in alphabetical order. By the time I got to the Cs, I was thoroughly tired of the stuff. It's like eating really rich chocolate or watching a Curb Your Enthusiasm marathon -- best appreciated in small doses. Prolonged exposure really grates on you.

When that happens, I simply stop listening to it and move on to something else. A lot of music you really have to be in the right mood to get into. If I'm not feeling funky, I won't listen to funk. If I feel down, I'm not listening to upbeat. If I feel amped, I'm not listening to downtempo. And so on... state of mind really does discern musical appreciation a lot of the time. So it helps to switch things up constantly. I always have the right music to reflect whatever I'm feeling on any given day.

I have a reputation for being a bitter and jaded asshole to all electronic music, but truth be known there are only a handful of genres I don't actively listen to. I accept and enjoy over 90% of it. But the ones I don't like, I REALLY despise.
 
2014-01-28 02:30:15 AM
...for later
 
2014-01-28 04:56:48 AM
holy crap, they were able to get an auditorium packed with music legends and heavy weights to all stand up and dance for their entire 6+ minute performance. how many performaners could pull that off these days?
 
2014-01-28 11:19:28 AM

downstairs: I've heard this more than once, that Bono totally fakes playing guitar during "One" live. Which is kinda weird- he's not the guitarist, the song stands on its own, no need to fake it.

Not sure if this is true- you apparently have visual confirmation. I like U2 and love that song. But still- kinda weird.


yeah, it is just weird.  why bother having your guitar tech string it up and tune it, all for a 3:45 minute song that doesn't need your guitar anyways.  what are we doing here, bono?  you aren't playing.why must you pantomime for people?
 
2014-01-28 02:00:49 PM

Glitchwerks: Ishkur: These guys -- Guy-Manuel de Homem-Christo and Thomas Bangalter -- are the producers who made the music.

Which basically involves sampling someone else's music, looping it, and filtering it.  Or in the case of "RAM," hiring other musicians to play for them.

I get that people like Daft Punk, but they are so amazingly overrated it's just stupid.


No, you're the stupid one for insisting that an artist's creative value is only to the degree they can play a traditional instrument.  With computers, the only limit to a person's creativity is their own creativity, not some dumb rubric of physically manipulating some antiquated object that can only make a limited set of sounds.  Electronic artists make *exactly* the music they have in their heads, traditional artists make the music their antiquated instruments allow them to make.
 
2014-01-28 03:46:33 PM

Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: LewDux: Mikey1969: That's why I stopped going to live performances then sound recording was invented

Confusing producers with the guy on the board at an arena isn't making you sound more sophisticated...

I don't attend live performances because they just play same songs they already recorded
/Plus

That's because they use house sound systems to actually produce the sound. The only hot amps are the ones that produce the final mix, it's why you see a microphone in front of the amp. Of course, one so knowledgeable as yourself about what constitutes performing vs. standing there listening to a recording you previously made would know that already, I'm sure...

As for "playing music they've already recorded", a live performance is just that-live. A "live" performance of people who don't play musical instruments, except for back in the studio, is nothing but playing a recording.

They still play old sequences of sounds, especially in Classical music with their completely over-rated conductors
/What if your understanding of producer music is as good as my understanding of real music? Nah..

So you're comparing a live Symphony to two dudes on a computer? OK, got it.


Both orchestra and "computer" are tools. Nothing more
/You process fetishing rockist, you
 
2014-01-28 03:52:51 PM
The biggest argument that needs to become defunct is that they are "simply clicking buttons and sliding faders" and whatnot. They still have to write (and have received full credit) for writing this music. They still have to play this music; regardless of the artists they have enlisted to perform on the album, they are excellent musicians.

Furthermore, if you can get Paul McCartney dancing around like he's going to shard himself, I don't care what anybody else is saying, you're doing something right.
 
2014-01-28 03:59:20 PM

mjjt: [i39.tinypic.com image 500x441]


so... they are halo fans?
 
2014-01-28 04:00:34 PM

AdrienVeidt: No, you're the stupid one for insisting that an artist's creative value is only to the degree they can play a traditional instrument.  With computers, the only limit to a person's creativity is their own creativity, not some dumb rubric of physically manipulating some antiquated object that can only make a limited set of sounds.  Electronic artists make *exactly* the music they have in their heads, traditional artists make the music their antiquated instruments allow them to make.


Actually I'm afraid you're the one who's stupid here because you completely misunderstood the point.

Or you're trolling, either way, amazing derpy post on your part.
 
2014-01-28 04:48:06 PM

vevolis: The biggest argument that needs to become defunct is that they are "simply clicking buttons and sliding faders" and whatnot. They still have to write (and have received full credit) for writing this music. They still have to play this music; regardless of the artists they have enlisted to perform on the album, they are excellent musicians.

Furthermore, if you can get Paul McCartney dancing around like he's going to shard himself, I don't care what anybody else is saying, you're doing something right.


You're darn tootin. And I'm the first one to post that "Superstar DJ - Stop Pretending You're Making That Music All By Yourself" photo. But what Daft Punk have succeeded at is far more difficult than simply "DJing" and puts them in a more rarefied class of performers. They're essentially making the computers, and the recording studio, musical instruments all on their own. And they're very good at it.
 
2014-01-28 05:00:33 PM

AdrienVeidt: Electronic artists make *exactly* the music they have in their heads


Well, not really. Some of them just fiddle with envelopes and filters until they stumble upon something that sounds cool (apparently this is how Air made Sexy Boy). A great deal of experimentation and trial-and-error goes into producing music. Not all of it is preplanned, and quite often most of it is made by accident -- as a result of "what does this button/knob/slider do" curiosity. Hell, that's how acid was made. The TB-303 is a bassline synth, and it actually does makes decent basslines if you follow the instruction manual. You were supposed to set it and forget it. Then one day someone said "what if I twist these knobs while it's playing?" and music history was made.

Most bedroom producers don't make the music *exactly* the way they have it in their heads, they make the music *exactly* the way they heard it at last night's club or as per youtube tutorials.

But that's okay. All music has its own cheats and shortcuts.

d25dde89tzdfps.cloudfront.net
 
2014-01-28 05:02:14 PM

Pontious Pilates: They're essentially making the computers, and the recording studio, musical instruments all on their own.


No, they aren't.  There are artists who do their own software design, build their own instruments, do all of their own sound design, handle all their production and mastering.

Daft Punk do absolutely none of what you claim.
 
2014-01-28 05:04:35 PM

Pontious Pilates: And I'm the first one to post that "Superstar DJ - Stop Pretending You're Making That Music All By Yourself" photo.


I'm the first one who made it.
 
2014-01-28 05:06:51 PM

Glitchwerks: There are artists who do their own software design, build their own instruments, do all of their own sound design, handle all their production and mastering.


And that still doesn't make BT any better of a musician.
 
2014-01-28 05:43:16 PM

Ishkur: And that still doesn't make BT any better of a musician.


Who cares about BT?
 
2014-01-28 06:58:51 PM

Glitchwerks: Who cares about BT?


People who actually pay attention to electronic music movers and shakers. Now bugger off, you snob.
 
2014-01-28 07:13:38 PM

Ishkur: People who actually pay attention to electronic music movers and shakers. Now bugger off, you snob.


If you actually paid attention to the movers and shakers, you would know more about Carl Craig, Four Tet, etc.
 
2014-01-28 07:16:55 PM

Glitchwerks: If you actually paid attention to the movers and shakers, you would know more about Carl Craig, Four Tet, etc.


No I wouldn't. They're minor in the greater scheme of things. No, shut up. They are.
 
2014-01-28 07:21:27 PM

Ishkur: No I wouldn't. They're minor in the greater scheme of things. No, shut up. They are.


And BT and Daft Punk are in the greater scheme of things?
 
2014-01-28 07:40:24 PM

Glitchwerks: And BT and Daft Punk are in the greater scheme of things?


It's not about them. It's not about you. It's not about anybody.

No one is bigger than the music. Stop chasing idols.
 
2014-01-28 07:42:09 PM

Ishkur: It's not about them. It's not about you. It's not about anybody.

No one is bigger than the music. Stop chasing idols.


You're not making much sense at this point.
 
2014-01-29 12:02:17 AM

Glitchwerks: You're not making much sense at this point.


Here, maybe this will help you out. I made this one just for you:

www.ishkur.com
 
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