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(State of Missouri)   Bill in Missouri would require schools to allow parents to remove their little muffins from biology class whenever the biology teacher decides to actually teach science   (house.mo.gov) divider line 152
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2014-01-27 01:43:20 PM  
fark these assholes.
 
2014-01-27 01:50:45 PM  
Math and English classes next.
 
2014-01-27 01:56:29 PM  
Sure. Just make sure the information about whether or not they skipped that class is visible on their transcripts. And have state universities consider it during their admissions process
 
2014-01-27 01:57:44 PM  
How do these clowns expect to find a job in the future?
 
2014-01-27 02:05:41 PM  
Yea, but what does Ted in Tennessee think?

/This is why we say "A Missouri bill", not "Bill in Missouri"
 
2014-01-27 02:12:18 PM  
Careful, Missouri. You just might convince the Kansas legislature to ban teaching evolution by natural selection in schools and require everyone only learn creationism and intelligent design.
 
2014-01-27 02:12:23 PM  
Sounds like another job creating piece of legislation to me.
 
2014-01-27 02:12:37 PM  
Won't someone please think of the children?
 
2014-01-27 02:12:41 PM  

gopher321: How do these clowns expect to find a job in the future?


They'll get a job in state.

They will also marry a local spouse, home-school their kids, and be devoid of curiosity for their entire lives.
 
2014-01-27 02:12:57 PM  

Pincy: Sounds like another job creating piece of legislation to me.


Jobs for lawyers are a kind of job...
 
2014-01-27 02:13:18 PM  
Burger flippers don't need no book learnin'.
 
2014-01-27 02:13:55 PM  
Let them do it. When there kids can't score high enough on the SAT to get into a decent college explain to them the consequences of their actions.
 
2014-01-27 02:13:55 PM  
I just love posting this.

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2014-01-27 02:13:56 PM  
 
2014-01-27 02:14:51 PM  
 
2014-01-27 02:16:16 PM  
My brain at first processed the headline as "Bill, in Missouri, would require schools....." and I thought "Who dafuq is this Bill guy?"

I think I'm saturated on idiocy regarding schooling, or the lack thereof, this week.
 
2014-01-27 02:16:23 PM  
Bill in Missouri would require schools to allow parents to remove their little muffins from biology class whenever the biology teacher decides to actually teach science

I don't know who this Bill guy in Missouri is but he sounds pretty stupid,
 
2014-01-27 02:17:39 PM  
If your answer to a question is so weak that it cannot stand up in the face of a differing perspective, it is probably wrong.
 
2014-01-27 02:17:41 PM  

mrshowrules: I just love posting this.

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Why would anyone do that? What part of the Bible does electricity challenge, anyway?
 
2014-01-27 02:18:11 PM  

gopher321: How do these clowns expect to find a job in the future?


Jeebus will provide for them.
 
2014-01-27 02:19:12 PM  

ongbok: Let them do it. When there kids can't score high enough on the SAT to get into a decent college explain to them the consequences of their actions.


Which part of the SAT tests you on biology?

I'm guessing that most of the kids being taken out of class won't be the sort of kids who wind up taking SAT IIs.
 
2014-01-27 02:19:28 PM  

serial_crusher: Sure. Just make sure the information about whether or not they skipped that class is visible on their transcripts. And have state universities consider it during their admissions process


These kids aren't going to college anyway.  These parents don't want their little snowflakes going to some fancy liberal learnin' institute.  But I like your idea, but make it available to employers too.  Let them decide if they want to hire someone who skipped part of their education because a basic understanding of biology might have made them think critically about their beliefs.
 
2014-01-27 02:21:05 PM  
"We're ignorant and we're proud of it!"
 
2014-01-27 02:21:50 PM  

gopher321: How do these clowns expect to find a job in the future?


I was about to say you don't need evolution to farm, but given that a good chunk of Missouri is corn, and likely GMO corn, you'd need to know a little about evolution in order to understand why the USDA requires you to plant 20 percent of your field with non-GMO corn.

It also might explain why the number of farmers in compliance with the requirement are not following the guidelines and causing BT resistant bugs to emerge more rapidly than expected.
 
2014-01-27 02:21:57 PM  

quizzical: gopher321: How do these clowns expect to find a job in the future?

They'll get a job in state.

They will also marry a local spouse, home-school their kids, and be devoid of curiosity for their entire lives.


Maybe not...

Homeschooled Kids, Now Grown, Blog Against the Past

They were homeschooled in Christian families to be dutiful, have many children, and follow tradition. But now they are taking to the Internet to expose their painful pasts.

there is some hope...

Legally, parents have enormous discretion in raising their children: in some states, there's no oversight at all over homeschooling curricula, meaning that it's perfectly fine to educate daughters for a life of housewifery rather than for higher education.

just not a lot...
 
2014-01-27 02:22:02 PM  

ongbok: Let them do it. When there kids can't score high enough on the SAT to get into a decent college explain to them the consequences of their actions.


When their kids can't score high enough on the SAT to get into a decent college, they'll go to Liberty University and get jobs in the next Republican administration.
 
2014-01-27 02:22:57 PM  
My guess is that in 5-10 years there is going to be a huge number of people complaining that their children can't get into colleges because they are discriminating against conservatives, when the truth is that they are not being accepted because their science and critical thinking and reasoning abilities are unacceptable.
 
2014-01-27 02:23:05 PM  
It would be great if one of the sponsors was named William.
 
2014-01-27 02:24:08 PM  

thurstonxhowell: ongbok: Let them do it. When there kids can't score high enough on the SAT to get into a decent college explain to them the consequences of their actions.

Which part of the SAT tests you on biology?

I'm guessing that most of the kids being taken out of class won't be the sort of kids who wind up taking SAT IIs.


I was thinking ACT, but with the SAT it is more of the reasoning and critical thinking that will take a hit.
 
2014-01-27 02:24:43 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Which part of the SAT tests you on biology?


The ACT, which is more common in Missouri and midwestern colleges, has a 'scientific reasoning' section.  But, it's really more of a logic/reading/math-word-problem test, even when it nominally touches biological principles.  My understanding is that the ACT people do specifically stay out of the 'controversial' areas (evolution and climate change so far... who knows what's next) when writing questions.
 
2014-01-27 02:24:46 PM  

keylock71: "We're ignorant and we're proud of it!"


That's the problem. These kids have no idea what they are missing out on. They are being robbed of an education and a future.
 
2014-01-27 02:26:03 PM  
Peter Griffin "Oh who the hell cares" meme?

There are so many problems in the world, even just in the world of education, that have nothing at all to do with evolution, or parents who don't want their children exposed to unsentimental liberals.... My brother teaches high-school in Missouri---he's got maybe 10 students out of 100 who can do basic multiplication, addition.... maybe a handful who comprehend fractions. I don't think ideological issues really matter. Will it help if these children take it on faith that there is no God, and that man-made climate change is affecting the world? Will it help if they take it on faith that God created the world in six days and that evolution is a bunch of devil-spawned lies? It won't have any bearing on the fact that the kids are illiterate and innumerate.

Even if you firmly disbelieve in evolution, you should sit through lectures on evolution, in order to firm up your opposition. Learning about opposing beliefs can strengthen your own believe--it should not take away from it.

But reacting to this news as though it matters will do nothing to help my brother's students.
 
2014-01-27 02:26:58 PM  
This is the same state that made English the official language in 2008, despite having multiple states between us and those scary Mexicans and Quebecois.  We only speak AMERICAN here.

//Has lived in Missouri all his life
 
2014-01-27 02:27:42 PM  
Because the most effective way to stymie a child's interest in something is forbidding them from learning about it.

I like to imagine a group of fundie kids sneaking out at night and gawking over biology textbooks in place of trashy magazines.
 
2014-01-27 02:28:44 PM  
I grew up in a small Texas town to one. Mine was one of the very few non-religious families, but without exception all of my friends were religious - often very much so. When I would stay the night at friends' houses, I would sometimes end up going to church with them.

One of my friends, Ben, was Pentecostal. At his church, there would be lots of jumping up and speaking in tongues and such. One time I went, the sermon really stuck with me.

I was maybe...10? No older than that. Anyway, the preacher started going on about what it meant to be a "real" Christian versus a "fake" Christian. He used artificial diamond as an example: scientists could make artificial diamond, but it would never be as hard as "real" diamond. He went on to explain that you can believe in science and "look" Christian but you'd never be a "real" Christian so long as you believed in science, because science wasn't "real". There was much "Praise Jesus!" and so on.

His sermon, of course, was delivered via a microphone through amplified speakers in an air-conditioned building. Many of the parishioners were ill and taking medication to relieve their symptoms and or even just stay alive. All of them got to church driving in cars. The local economy was based entirely on chemical engineering.

Even at 10, I realized they were either hypocrites or just ignorant, but either way, it made me sad.
 
2014-01-27 02:29:17 PM  
Which other portions of the curricula may the children opt out of and still get earn a diploma?  You can make the case for just about any subject offending your delicate sensibilities.

Next step:  Withholding a diploma from a student who meets all the requirements except the ones that violate their religious conscience is a form of discrimination.
 
kth
2014-01-27 02:30:32 PM  
Ugh, these little snowflakes end up in my husband's freshman classes and are stunned. STUNNED. that they cannot take tests over and over until they get an A, that they can't postpone a final because they didn't make train reservations and the later train is sold out, and that he will not round their 67% up to a C because they tried really hard and studied all night the night before the final. Every last one of them always got As in high school.

Also, he won't tell them exactly what is going to be on the test. He's soooo mean.

I'm sure I was an asshole when I was 18, but I never expected to be babied in college.
 
2014-01-27 02:30:48 PM  
Co-Sponsor Andrew Koenig (R for obviously).  Where did he go to school?

Lindenwood University.

By 1989, Lindenwood College was bankrupt with student enrollment below 800. The college was in danger of closing when the administration hired Dennis Spellmann as the new president.

Spellmann immediately began to implement changes, eliminating co-ed dorms and placing the emphasis on a "values centered" approach in the classroom.

A major change that caused controversy for the school was the "Pork for Tuition" program begun in 2002 and designed to help rural families pay for tuition, by the university accepting livestock in return for discounts. The animals were then processed and used in the school cafeteria.


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2014-01-27 02:31:49 PM  

proteus_b: Peter Griffin "Oh who the hell cares" meme?

There are so many problems in the world, even just in the world of education, that have nothing at all to do with evolution, or parents who don't want their children exposed to unsentimental liberals.... My brother teaches high-school in Missouri---he's got maybe 10 students out of 100 who can do basic multiplication, addition.... maybe a handful who comprehend fractions. I don't think ideological issues really matter. Will it help if these children take it on faith that there is no God, and that man-made climate change is affecting the world? Will it help if they take it on faith that God created the world in six days and that evolution is a bunch of devil-spawned lies? It won't have any bearing on the fact that the kids are illiterate and innumerate.

Even if you firmly disbelieve in evolution, you should sit through lectures on evolution, in order to firm up your opposition. Learning about opposing beliefs can strengthen your own believe--it should not take away from it.

But reacting to this news as though it matters will do nothing to help my brother's students.


But it will help your brother's students. If they are taught that what they believe matters against all evidence to the contrary - that, for example, despite truly overwhelming evidence in its favor, evolution isn't true and their preferred creation myth is - then they can continue to believe that they will succeed in the world as a basketball player or painter or whatever without basic numeracy and literacy, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Basic science education, including explaining the concept of evidence-based reasoning and credulity is critical to making sure students understand the eventual consequences of their choices and actions.
 
2014-01-27 02:33:12 PM  
This is actually a great idea, first it removes those kids who don't care from the room allowing a better teacher:student ratio for the rest. Secondly, it should eventually remove most of these people from the workforce.

I'd much rather they do this than "Teach the Controversy".
 
2014-01-27 02:33:26 PM  

PanicMan: keylock71: "We're ignorant and we're proud of it!"

That's the problem. These kids have no idea what they are missing out on. They are being robbed of an education and a future.


That's definitely a problem, but I referring more to the parents, who would pull their kids out of these classes, and the legislators who think this is a good idea."
 
2014-01-27 02:33:27 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Co-Sponsor Andrew Koenig (R for obviously).  Where did he go to school?

Lindenwood University.

By 1989, Lindenwood College was bankrupt with student enrollment below 800. The college was in danger of closing when the administration hired Dennis Spellmann as the new president.

Spellmann immediately began to implement changes, eliminating co-ed dorms and placing the emphasis on a "values centered" approach in the classroom.

A major change that caused controversy for the school was the "Pork for Tuition" program begun in 2002 and designed to help rural families pay for tuition, by the university accepting livestock in return for discounts. The animals were then processed and used in the school cafeteria.

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The pork thing isn't so bad - if the cafeteria's going to serve pork, it might as well come from nearby farms and help offset students' tuition. That's honestly a pretty good idea.

The other stuff, though, is pretty stupid.
 
2014-01-27 02:34:15 PM  

WhackingDay: This is actually a great idea, first it removes those kids who don't care from the room allowing a better teacher:student ratio for the rest. Secondly, it should eventually remove most of these people from the workforce.

I'd much rather they do this than "Teach the Controversy".


While I agree, these people don't get removed from the workforce in the numbers you'd think and, what's worse, they can still legally vote.
 
2014-01-27 02:37:24 PM  

Lord Dimwit: But it will help your brother's students. If they are taught that what they believe matters against all evidence to the contrary - that, for example, despite truly overwhelming evidence in its favor, evolution isn't true and their preferred creation myth is - then they can continue to believe that they will succeed in the world as a basketball player or painter or whatever without basic numeracy and literacy, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Basic science education, including explaining the concept of evidence-based reasoning and credulity is critical to making sure students understand the eventual consequences of their choices and actions.


Dude, they cannot begin even basic science education with my brother's students until they learn how to read. One complaint of his is that it is unfair to test his students using word problems because it doesn't measure only their mathematical ability (he's a math teacher). That is, he has some students who could figure out what is four times eight---but they can't read a sentence. I really think that discussing the nuances of evolution with these guys is besides the point. I really think it's besides the point in general for high school students. I don't remember what mentions evolution got in my high school. The science courses I took were Biology, Physiology, Chemistry, and Physics. They were pretty good (except Physics---new teacher in my year, and he was still working out the kinks...) The origins of the universe are not the only thing which is interesting. It's possible to understand and learn a lot, without accepting evolution as a reasonably well-evidenced theory.
 
2014-01-27 02:37:26 PM  

Arkanaut: mrshowrules: I just love posting this.

[i.imgur.com image 850x1113]

Why would anyone do that? What part of the Bible does electricity challenge, anyway?


I think the general idea is just to undermine science in general - the kind of folks who push lessons like that aren't keen on raising kids with strong critical thinking skills.
 
2014-01-27 02:38:07 PM  
They can't do that now?
 
2014-01-27 02:38:13 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Even at 10, I realized they were either hypocrites or just ignorant, but either way, it made me sad.


Especially given that artificial diamonds aren't appreciably "softer" then natural diamonds...

I'm wonder if we'll get to the point where major universities will outright stop accepting students from certain states.
"Sorry, MIT no longer considers any high school diploma from the state of Missouri to be real and our engineering program requires that you have a high school diploma."
 
2014-01-27 02:38:52 PM  
I'm all for it, if they can make it sufficiently farcical.

"Okay, class, suppose we want the volume of a sphere, like the EARTHWHICHISBILLIONSOFYEARSOLD!!"

"AIEEEEE nooooooo!!"  [five children run out of the room covering their ears.]

"Aaahh, I love this job.  So anyway, the formula for a sphere is fou---"

[a cell phone rings]

"Hello?  Yes.  Yes Mrs. McDuffy, you have to retrieve your child.  There's been a discussion of controversial topics.  Again.  ... Yes, I ... Yes, I understand, we're all busy, but ... yes?  Well, you signed the paper.  And remember that she can't come back to school until there's been no issues for 24 hours."
 
2014-01-27 02:41:13 PM  
Reputable universities in non-crazy states need to establish clear rules for the potatoe states -- "We do not recognize your high school derplomas."
 
2014-01-27 02:45:19 PM  

serial_crusher: Sure. Just make sure the information about whether or not they skipped that class is visible on their transcripts. And have state universities consider it during their admissions process


I work in the information technology section of a state college's admissions department, and I am getting a kick out of your post....

/Hits the SMART button so hard, almost breaks finger
 
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